DAT-Heads Digest #927
Contents:
[Fwd: bouncing digests] ("the 4D's")
Attn: San Francisco/San Jose Area Tapers (Tom Doub)
Re: MSG Taper Section Question (Seth Breidbart)
The Great Went Tree Structure is FINALLY Here (KevRobb@flink.com)
Mac (Jmratman)
Great WEnt FM's? (CreekFreek)
Cloning via hard disk (Jim Troy)
FS: Sony WMD-DT1 DAT deck (reduced!) (Kurt Vogel)
Looking,MMW (John Choe)
WTB, SCMS Stripper, & Sp/dif I?O card info (Brett Paulin)
Re:HHB Tapes (Jon Lax)
Lilith Fair live Pay per View ("Scott Weinmann")
Bridge School '97 / soundcards (willard robinson)
Re: New: Radio Shack NiMH Batteries ("Bruce Baier")
PCM (Paul)
Nobody Beats The Wiz ... (AZawodny@mobile.bam.com)
HHb DDS (Yalk)
DC Offset (Nabil H Esphahani)
Cure Private Performance For Trade... (Jonathan Mikos)
FS: SCMS stripper (LLee991218)
$18 Sound card w/digital IO (Victor Yiu)
Re:Shipping DATs in cold winter months (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
Re:sampling rates (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
[no subject] (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
The DAT Ring, new site, new digital sound card info ("Alex Sloley (General Employment)")
From: "the 4D's" <dserafini@snet.net>
Subject: [Fwd: bouncing digests]
Reply-To: dserafini@snet.net
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:43:13 -0500
I got this in the mail to explain the bouncing dat - head's. But
maybe you got this same post too!
L. Sean Kennedy wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just chased down the address which was sending digests back
> to the digestifier and its been removed from the list. I also
> removed all the digests from the queue and respooled 3 messages
> which were included in one of those digests.
>
> Side effects:
>
> - Some of you saw bounced digests, sorry but it was tracked
> down quickly.
> - some of you may miss a few digests, any useful articles
> were resent and I'm not going to bother changing the numbers.
> You are lucky not missing anything. :-)
> - The web site may or may not have the bounced digests. If
> Jon wants to clean that up, I'm happy to help.
>
> Just FYI, I checked the log and it looks like people are
> sending mail to the digest about this. To be clear that is
> more than USELESS. If you notice a problem with the list,
> feel free to contact postmaster@fedney.near.net. If you
> send a comment to the digest if I haven't already noticed
> it, I'm not going to because of your message.
>
> Sean
From: Tom Doub <thomas.w.doub@vanderbilt.edu>
Subject: Attn: San Francisco/San Jose Area Tapers
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:49:09 -0600
KFOG Radio (104.5SF/97.7SJ) will broadcast their "Concert for Kids" at 7:00
PM this Thursday, Dec 18th. The broadcast will include highlights from
performances by Bruce Hornsby, John Hiatt, the Boneshakers and Patty
Larkin. Bruce played a nice solo set, with a stirring cover of "Imagine"
and 2 new songs. I'd love to trade for a primo copy of the Hornsby show.
My DATlist is at my URL. TIA,
Tom Doub
=================================
Bruce Hornsby Setlists & DATlist:
http://super.zippo.com/~doubtw/
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: MSG Taper Section Question
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:56:38 -0500 (EST)
>Has anyone taped Phish at MSG before?
Yes.
> If so, is the taper section assigned
>seating (with seats) or is it a "cattle cage" (without seats)?
Yes.
(Some of both, actually. There are assigned seats, which are treated
as suggestions by most tapers. Fortunately, most of the non-tapers
who accidentally got taper tickets were cool about it.)
Seth
From: KevRobb@flink.com
Subject: The Great Went Tree Structure is FINALLY Here
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:53:59 +0000
Friends
I wish to extend, first, my heartfelt apologies to all who have
patiently awaited this tree structure. It's been a rough 2 months.
No crying, no complaining, no excuses. Without further adieu, the
structure is laid out simply: 90/60 Meter DAT Trunk, then 60 Meter
DAT Trunk, then the Analog structure. This tree should move smoothly
as the top branch for the 90/60 trunk has seeds in hand already. I
have no trades on my decks currently, so the other seeds should be
spun within a matter of days, depending on the arrangements that are
made concerning them. To those who wonder about the breakdown for
analog tapes, I will be working with the D>A person and the top analog
branches to decide what works best.
The most important words to be spoken here tonight: Enjoy the
Shows!!!!!!!!!!
Went Digital Structure
90/60 meter Trunk
drefusrb@polaris.clarkson.edu
-- seth.blau@brown.edu
---- cbfoley@worldnet.att.net
======slsweeden@igc.org
======letitgro@warwick.net
======bobby@moe.cybermedical.com
---- Drummerist@aol.com
======jules_marshall@hotmail.com
======COYOTE66@HOTMAIL.COM
======gmm6797@servtech.com
---- youngkin@saber.udayton.edu
====== nlhaze@hotmail.com
======rand0m@wheel.org
======dolin.1@osu.edu
-- gabbas@sgi.com W
---- pfeuffer@eden.com TX 3
======subsetco@earthlink.net
======bbrophy@indiana.edu
---- leomunter@usa.net
======GSullivan@DavidClark.com
====== fgc@tcimet.net
-- planet@ipa.net MW
---- bookem@bellsouth.com
======fcm@po.cwru.edu
======rdalton@najarian.com
---- IkeWillis@aol.com NC 3
======hygar@mindspring.com
======levitt@patriot.net
---- uzzi@stree.com NC 3
====== phishead@ecu.campus.mci.net
======sloth420@bellsouth.net GA 2
======SteveM@pluto.njcc.com NJ 3
60 Meter Trunk
neil.lewinski@wmich.edu
--jmadry@gate.net S
----judd@metsci.com
----chrisw@ais.net
======blom0019@tc.umn.edu
======jpaliatka4@aol.com
======onelson807@aol.com
----dough@moon.jic.com
======jadam@aqua.net
======bcelli@maila.wm.edu
--pcbarr@home.com W
---- jeff.hart@state.co.us
---- hahnc@rpi.edu
======reginars@mandic.com.br
======ryryrocco@aol.com
----amerckel@neca.com
-- jwf@aretha.jax.org ME 3
----eyler@universe.digex.net
----haviland@erols.com
----brianmch@juno.com
======dharkins@tra.net
======vsantore@vol.com
======mjkenji@earthlink.net
--eakinsr@freeside.echo-on.net
Went Analog Structure
c621694@showme.missouri.edu
--guyute@bigfoot.com
---- pella@javanet.com
---- dfenwi@po-box.mcgill.ca
--glide1@msn.com
---- BlueFrogJM@aol.com or DividedPie@aol.com
---- lkalbfle@rex.re.uokhsc.edu
--eterp@usa.net
---- nilsj@unixg.ubc.ca
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The Rev. Kevin A. Robbins Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
And when your world grows cold
it's time to let your spirit take control
Oh it takes Soulshine, it's better than sunshine,
better than moonshine, damn sure better than rain.
>From "Soulshine", as sung by Gov't Mule
From: Jmratman <Jmratman@aol.com>
Subject: Mac
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:30:29 EST
Sorry for the non-Dat content but do any of you Mac owners out there know how
to permanently delete downloaded files?? You can delete them from your file
cabinet where the download manager is but if you click on "open" and then
click on" online downloads, all the downloads are still listed.
HELP!!
JIM RATNER
From: CreekFreek <CreekFreek@aol.com>
Subject: Great WEnt FM's?
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:50:05 EST
anyone got the fm's of the great went, i already have an aud tape of it but
dyin to get the fm's. If you have it i have alot of dat;s to trade
Be Well
From: Jim Troy <JimTroy@aol.com>
Subject: Cloning via hard disk
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 01:44:55 EST
I'm trying to clone a DAT by recording from an SV-3800 through a Zefiro ZA2
card to a Syjet drive, then playing back the file and recording to DAT.
Recording to disk seems to have gone fine, but on playback I get intermittent
burst of diginoise -- a second or two in duration, about a half dozen per
hour. Device Manager reports no conflicts, and I've used the task manager to
shut down everything that might kick in in the background. Does anybody have
any idea as to what might affect "read" but not "write" operations? Thanks,
Jim
From: Kurt Vogel <kwv@chem.stanford.edu>
Subject: FS: Sony WMD-DT1 DAT deck (reduced!)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:19:11 -0800 (PST)
I still have a Sony WMD-DT1 portable playback-only DAT deck for sale,
with an IDS warrenty good until Februrary, 2001. $300 takes it, or
I'd be happy to trade for a nice (big) color monitor. Perfect shape,
works like a charm, nice neoprene case with belt-loop included!
Email if interested.
Thanks
Kurt
From: John Choe <choey@erols.com>
Subject: Looking,MMW
Reply-To: choey@erols.com
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 04:41:52 -0500
Looking to trade Cap.Ball.Schoeps for any recent MMW tour stuff..
peace choey
From: Brett Paulin <rando@werple.net.au>
Subject: WTB, SCMS Stripper, & Sp/dif I?O card info
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:07:16 +1100
Greetings DAT-Heads,
A friend here in Australia is looking for a SCMS stripper to aid his
cloning operations. I recently bought the format convertor kit from a
fellow dat-heads user and was wondering if anyone else has a similair
model, or commercial unit they would like to dispose of.
He is using two sony D8's, one with an Optical (Toslink) cable, and the
other has the RMK-D3 box, so the format convertor must have optical and
coaxial capability. It would be nice if was powerable from 6V DC, since I
built him a 4 output 6vdc supply to run his DATs.. And seeing as how its
in Australia, any 110v stuff will need fiddling.
If anyone has such a gadget for sale, please email me and let me know price
and shipping so I can see if he's interested..
--
Also, someone recently mentioned they'd found a sound card with a SP/Dif
I/O capability for $18. I went to the web-site they mentioned and had a
look, and sure enough, it looks good.. but I'm suspicous of cheap clone
stlye cards, and havent received a reply yet from the company thats selling
them. the original poster said that he would post to DAT-heads with his
experience on the cards functionality. Has he done this and I missed it ?
Has anyone had any experience with this card ? Any information would be
great.. Cant afford $500 (Aus) for Sp/dif I/O, which is the next cheapest
card I've seen so far..
Thanks in advance..
---
Brett Paulin : Trance DJ Spock, Electronic Engineer & Gyrocopter Pilot
For DAT trading, DJ Spock & Techno Magic - http://home.mira.net/~rando
"Rotor pilots don't fly. They BEAT the air into submission"
THINK for yourself, QUESTION Authority - ICQ Id# 5879520
From: Jon Lax <jon_lax@grey.net>
Subject: Re:HHB Tapes
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:57:11 -0500
I use only HHB audio tapes when mastering. I love them. Never had a problem with them and I trust them to keep my music safe for years. The purple cases also look cool. In Canada they are priced the same as Sony and Ampex DATs (Long and McQuade Toronto) I think they cost $cdn 12.00 for 95 min.
Jon
From: "Scott Weinmann" <ir001488@mindspring.com>
Subject: Lilith Fair live Pay per View
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:13:27 -0500
I caught the Lilith Fair ppv ($19.95) off of the DSS direct to DAT.
Would it be inappropriate to trade this tape since it was a pay per view
event?
It is a great tape, and many people don't get DSS (broadcast digitally at
same 48 Khz sampling rate as DAT) and therefore can't record it digital
direct (and must go through Analog/digital conversion..)
I don't want to do anything outside the boundaries of "what is right".
Performers:
Meredith Brooks
Shawn Colving
Jewel
Sheryl Crow
Indigo Girls
Sarah McLachlan
Scott W.
ir001488@mindspring.com
From: willard robinson <willr@star.net>
Subject: Bridge School '97 / soundcards
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:12:40 -0500
I am looking for the good mic version of the bridge show from '97 - lots
to trade.
Also there seems to be a lot of post about soundcards - but alex's site
(good as it is) doesn't actually _review_ them, anyone want to start -
also do any other cards except the ZA2 do on-the-fly re-sampling?
www.star.net/People/~willr/dat-list.txt
tc
Will
From: "Bruce Baier" <baierb@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New: Radio Shack NiMH Batteries
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 06:25:11 PST
In DAT-Heads Digest #923,
H Scott Matthews writes:
>2-pack of AA's: $10 (would need 2 packs for $20 to run my D7)
>Charger: $15 (also recharges NiCds - has selector switch for
>batt type)
>
>so a complete system would be $35. $25 for a D10.
It could be as low as $10 for a D-100. After all, both the Sony and
RS batteries are 1.2 volt NiMH and the Sony charger puts out a charge
voltage of 1.2 volts. The difference is the Sony batteries are rated
at 1300 mAh, RS at 1200 mAh. The RS batteries suggest charging at
600 mA for a 2-hour charge, 300 mA for a 4-hour charge (I think).
The Sony charger puts out 650mA for a 2-hour charge. It shouldn't
hurt the RS batteries, just charge them a bit quicker.
Bruce Baier
baierb@hotmail.com
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From: Paul <pdelima@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: PCM
Reply-To: pdelima@worldnet.att.net
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:38:23 -0500
How popular ware PCM machines in the 1980's, as far as bands using them to record their
live shows? I know the Dead used to record some of their shows straight to PCM from the
board - at least I think they did. Did other bands use PCM machines, or was the
technology considered not stable enough? Say from 1985 - 19989, would most rock bands
record their live shows using a reel to reel?
Anyone have any ideas on this one?
Paul
From: AZawodny@mobile.bam.com
Subject: Nobody Beats The Wiz ...
Date: 17 Dec 97 09:33:47 EST
I heard on the news today that NBTW is filing Chapter 11. Hopefully that
means that they may start discounting some of their high price items like
DAT decks which I assume move very slowly in that store. they plan on
closing 17 stores so keep your eyes peeled.
AZ
From: Yalk <Yalk@aol.com>
Subject: HHb DDS
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:29:12 EST
eugene@borchard.ladev.tandem.com (Eugene Hu)
wrote:
<< Supposedly they make 90m DATs, but I've never seen
one sold in the U.S.>>
Klay has them; $10.25 each.
Regards,
Klay Anderson
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: nhe@taz.ho.att.com (Nabil H Esphahani)
Subject: DC Offset
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 97 09:50:41 EST
While just checking out some audio editing programs I noticed that some
music that I had recorded showed visible DC offset in the left channel.
So, what is the likely cause of this (is it a serious problem)?
Is it the microphones or more likely some other component in the
chain (extension cables, preamp, A/D etc.)?
Nabil
From: Jonathan Mikos <thewho@igcom.net>
Subject: Cure Private Performance For Trade...
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:57:09 -0600 (CST)
I taped XRT's Private Performance of the Cure which aired
last nite (12/16/97).
The show was taped on Friday, December 12, 1997 in Chicago at the Chicago
Recording Company. It runs less than 30mins...
(Have The Irving Plaza Broadcast as well if your looking..)
I also taped David Bowie's Private Performance from 10/16/97 recorded
at Fast Track Studios in Chicago, IL... The show runs just under 45mins..
Jonathan
thewho@igcom.net
From: LLee991218 <LLee991218@aol.com>
Subject: FS: SCMS stripper
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:32:35 EST
Hi!
I recently purchased a SCMS stripper, but I am updating my equipment and have
no use for it now. It has coax in/out and AC adapter included.
Email me in private if interested.
From: Victor Yiu <vyiu@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: $18 Sound card w/digital IO
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:55:03 -0600
Here's just a little more about the the cheap sound card that Ben & I
tried...
The board was a simple design, basically controlled by an Sound Pro 1864
chip. The digital in and outs were just pinouts from the chip, labeled
SPDIFI and SPDIFO. Assuming SPDIF standards are +-.5v, it may not have
been a smart idea for us to input a D8 first (I think they're TTL 0-5v).
We tried every combination, switching pins, and stuff, but still no
digital input levels. We even tried a standard coax out from a JVC CD
player, to no avail.
In any case, the A/D D/A convertors to this board SUCKS. Best case S/N
I could get was around 45db, and even at that, you could easily hear the
harmonic distortion doing an A/D D/A.
The card had a digital and analog mixer, claimed to be full duplex, had
cheezy 3D sound enhancement (which was no more than an inverted signal
of the other channel mixed back in), and used software wavetable synth.
I think it would have had a chance to work if we tried the standard JVC
CD player first before my D8. Then again, if it wouldn't have worked
with my D8, it would have been useless for me, and still fairly useless
for Ben. (Unless we find a way to make a coax out from a Sony DT790)
Any questions, just ask.... kinda disappointed with this card. If anyone
tries a standard SPDIF input first, just post...
Later,
Victor
--
vyiu@mail.utexas.edu ....... ICQ 3131511 ....... http://www.rockpark.com
7mary3.toad.live.vh.tonic.semisonic | [CD-R - DAT - VHShifi - Cassette]
jackopierce.matchbox20.chalkfarm.gf | [ Sony D7/D8 DAT Resource Guide ]
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Re:Shipping DATs in cold winter months
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:12:57 -0800
Am I just being paranoid? Can the tape get condensation on it and then
deposit that onto the heads and cause problems?
Any thoughts?
IMHO the biggest reason why to let tapes warm up after bringing em in from
the cold mailbox is not for fear of damaging the deck, but rather for fear
of snapping (or just damaging/crinkling if you're lucky) the tape. I'll
spare you and leave my out my reasoning why.
Pete
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Re:sampling rates
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:31:59 -0800
don't you ever crank your stereo up so you can feel the good vibrations?
i'm sure, especially with a nice subwoofer, that there are low frequencies
that you feel and don't "hear."
I not too long ago bought a 12" velodyne subwoofer with adjustable
frequency cutoff. I was listening to tapes on only the subwoofer and could
adjust it to play only frequencies below anywhere from 20-140Hz(volume
adjustable too). There is something to be said about feeling bass. While
I think for *most* people any bass that can be felt can also be heard, the
"feeling" part of it is more impt to the overall "listening experience"
than is the "hearing"part of it. I don't have experience with freq's below
20 Hz though.
Pete
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:54:49 -0800
"I have a couple of questions regarding the RK-DA10 coaxial cable for the
D7/8.
1) Can I mate two of these cables with a rca coupler and successfully
connect
two D7's for digital cloning?"
Yes (of course D7's can't defeat SCMS though so you *may*run into probs)
"2) Other than Sony, where can I buy these and how much are they?"
I know The Dat Store carries them, probably others such as Oade Brothers
and Klay Anderson Audio also. No offense but when are people gonna stop
asking where they can buy stuff. Do your own homework.
GO TO THE VENDORS LINK FROM THE DAT-HEADS MAIN PAGE.
Pete
From: "Alex Sloley (General Employment)" <a-alexsl@microsoft.com>
Subject: The DAT Ring, new site, new digital sound card info
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:01:13 -0800
hey guys.
The DAT Ring now has 34 sites, check it out. in addition, It's a DAT, DAT,
DAT, DAT World! has been moved to my new domain,
http://www.digitalexperience.com, stop on by. my digital audio sound card
list has been updated, it includes the thread on the $28 digital sound card.
also included is info on the hanmesoft cards which looked extremely
promising but crashed and burned when i recently learned about its freq
limitation. anyways, see ya later.
Alex Sloley
Support Technology
x 44186
a-alexsl
canprop
http://www.digitalexperience.com
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