DAT-Heads Digest #52
Contents:
Oops, FS:Aiwa HD-X1 ("bob becker")
Oops, FS:Aiwa HD-X1 ("bob becker")
Oops, FS:Aiwa HD-X1 ("bob becker")
RE: MMW taping update (American-Digital)
Oops, FS:Aiwa HD-X1 ("bob becker")
[no subject] ("Wilkins, Mark D.")
Zero - Hawaii - March 4,6,7,8 (pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com)
re: D7/8, D100/M1 , SBM-1 design ("Doug Oade")
re: S/PDIF and SCMS ("Doug Oade")
re: D100/M1 passive digital I/O ("Doug Oade")
ISO: ABB 7/13/72 Gaelic Park Bronx, NY (Brad Mastrine)
Re: Fuji DDS (Max)
Re: Cloning between a Sony D100 and Fostex D5? (Max)
Re: Does Digital Cable Length Matter? (Max)
Silicon Valley CA Unideckers ("Erik_johnson")
Brian Cox again (Max)
Re: DAT Players (Jonathan Corbet)
metallica tapers section and more ("king chazz")
DAT dealer in Germany (Tom Doub)
From: "bob becker" <rlbecker@montrose.net>
Subject: Oops, FS:Aiwa HD-X1
Reply-To: <rlbecker@montrose.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:22:34 -0700
I know there are a few folks out there with these. I have loved this
little unit, it slid off my desk and a
tiny plastic part broke and the door won't close, no other visible damage.
Bummer. Good heads and transport, display, has the HDA-1 D-A adapter too...
It powers up fine just won't load the tape, which is because it doesn't
"think" the door closes, which it doesn't. Likely fixable, or great for
spare parts. Paul at Pro Digital does work on these. $125 OBO and I will
Priority it to you. BEST, bb
Bob Becker
1539 Kent Ave.
Montrose, CO 81401
http://www.montrose.net/rlbecker/
From: "bob becker" <rlbecker@montrose.net>
Subject: Oops, FS:Aiwa HD-X1
Reply-To: <rlbecker@montrose.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:22:34 -0700
I know there are a few folks out there with these. I have loved this
little unit, it slid off my desk and a
tiny plastic part broke and the door won't close, no other visible damage.
Bummer. Good heads and transport, display, has the HDA-1 D-A adapter too...
It powers up fine just won't load the tape, which is because it doesn't
"think" the door closes, which it doesn't. Likely fixable, or great for
spare parts. Paul at Pro Digital does work on these. $125 OBO and I will
Priority it to you. BEST, bb
Bob Becker
1539 Kent Ave.
Montrose, CO 81401
http://www.montrose.net/rlbecker/
From: "bob becker" <rlbecker@montrose.net>
Subject: Oops, FS:Aiwa HD-X1
Reply-To: <rlbecker@montrose.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:22:34 -0700
I know there are a few folks out there with these. I have loved this
little unit, it slid off my desk and a
tiny plastic part broke and the door won't close, no other visible damage.
Bummer. Good heads and transport, display, has the HDA-1 D-A adapter too...
It powers up fine just won't load the tape, which is because it doesn't
"think" the door closes, which it doesn't. Likely fixable, or great for
spare parts. Paul at Pro Digital does work on these. $125 OBO and I will
Priority it to you. BEST, bb
Bob Becker
1539 Kent Ave.
Montrose, CO 81401
http://www.montrose.net/rlbecker/
From: American-Digital <dan@am-dig.com>
Subject: RE: MMW taping update
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:22:59 -0800
> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998
> Sender: Medeski Martin & Wood Mailing List <MMW@NETSPACE.ORG
> Subject: MMW Digest - 7 Feb 1998 to 8 Feb 1998 - Special issue
> To: Recipients of MMW digests
> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998
> From: Jason Booth <truffela@pop.tiac.net
> Subject: [Fwd: mmw tape tree policy]
>However, the general feeling in the band is that the vast
>majority of tapers are idiots and can't really be trusted to
>do what they should.
I cannot resist commenting on this topic...
I don't think I have ever seen a band benefit more from their fans
making live concert recordings. I really hope that MMW isn't
calling the majority of us idiots.
My 2 cents-
Dan
http://www.am-dig.com
888-USA-DATS
From: "bob becker" <rlbecker@montrose.net>
Subject: Oops, FS:Aiwa HD-X1
Reply-To: <rlbecker@montrose.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:22:34 -0700
I know there are a few folks out there with these. I have loved this
little unit, it slid off my desk and a
tiny plastic part broke and the door won't close, no other visible damage.
Bummer. Good heads and transport, display, has the HDA-1 D-A adapter too...
It powers up fine just won't load the tape, which is because it doesn't
"think" the door closes, which it doesn't. Likely fixable, or great for
spare parts. Paul at Pro Digital does work on these. $125 OBO and I will
Priority it to you. BEST, bb
Bob Becker
1539 Kent Ave.
Montrose, CO 81401
http://www.montrose.net/rlbecker/
From: "Wilkins, Mark D." <Mark.Wilkins@alcoa.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:05:35 -0500
>Hello- Thanks for taking the time to read this. I've got a HP 1539 DAT
>player and no drivers to run the thing. I need to get them but I can't
>find them. It also spits the tapes out soon as I put them in.(Fuji DDS 3
>125m) Are these too large? AND- can I use this to rec and play music
>like an audio DAT player?
>It would be great if you could stear me in the right direction, thanks
>again-
>Tobias tobiastt@cmn.net
HP doesn't make DAT players, they make DDS drives. It's a big difference.
I see no reference to an HP model 1539. You might want to double-check
your unit.
Model 1533/34 is a DDS-1 without compression, ie 60m tapes only.
Model 1536 is DDS-1 with compression and accepts 90m tapes.
Model 1599 is DDS-2 which uses 120m tapes.
The DDS-3 HP drive mechanism is 1554 which takes 125m tapes.
DDS drives are backward - but not forward - compatible. If you put a DDS-2
tape in a DDS-1 drive, or a DDS-3 tape in a DDS-2 drive, the drive will spit
the tape back out. I imagine this is the behavior you're seeing.
Some people have reported playing audio DAT tapes on their DDS drives,
it depends on the manufacturer and model. SGI makes (or made?) a
DDS drive that could be used to record and play audio. The don't actually
make the transports like HP, but they modify the firmware. I have not heard
of this capability direct from HP.
Look here for more HP DDS drive info (and possibly a link to the drivers
you're looking for).
http://www.hp.com/tape/dat.html
Good luck
Mark
From: pkmin@rsc.rockwell.com
Subject: Zero - Hawaii - March 4,6,7,8
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:04:23 -0800
Wed, Mar 4, Hawaiian Hut, Waikiki Beach, Oahu, HI, CA
Fri, Mar 6, Crown Room, Maniloa Hotel, Hilo, Hawaii, HI
Sat, Mar 7, King's Room, Royal Waikaloan, Kohala Coast, Hawaii, HI
Sun, Mar 8, On the Beach near Royal Waikaloan, Hawaii,HI
with Bill Kreutzman of the Dead and his band, Backbone
Is anyone going to these? Any Hawaiian Dat-Heads out there willing to put
me up for a few days in exchange for dats/tickets/kindness? Please contact
me. Further info can be found from the Zero homepage (accessible from the
BTAT list). I also did a really nice Ventura show and other Zero CA shows.
Pete
From: "Doug Oade" <Doug@oade.com>
Subject: re: D7/8, D100/M1 , SBM-1 design
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:40:23 -0500
Hello ! The Sony TCD-D100 and the PCM-M1 use the same microphone
preamplifier, in fact they are functionally the same unit, except
the M1 does not have SCMS. The Sony SBM-1, while it uses the same
opamp in the microphone preamp input stage, has a much better
sounding and more sophisticated design for the microphone preamp
than the D100 or M1. The D7/8 units do not have quite as good
a microphone preamp as the D100/M1. The D100/M1 is a completely new
design for Sony. It is nothing like the D7/8 units, it has a new
transport design, a more serviceable sub-chassis assy, a larger head
and completely new electronics. With a power supply that provides
positive and negative voltages to the microphone preamp, a better
quality gain stage can be constructed. These units can still overload,
due to the design decision to allow for recording dialog with a
dynamic microphone. This sets the gain too high for High Quality
condenser microphones in a high SPL environment. The SBM-1 can
handle the highest microphone input level before overload, -16db
verses -20db for the D100/M1. The D100/M1 and SBM-1 still exhibit
the same "hole" in the gain structure as the D7/8. This means that
you may not be able to reach 0db on the meters of these units.
The input level required to reach 0 db on the meters going line
in on the D100/M1 is -5db and -10db on the SBM-1. If your input
signal is delivering peaks of -13 db, it will overload the microphone
inputs, yet not be hot enough to reach 0db thru the line inputs.
In order to avoid input stage distortion or loss of resolution,
you must attenuate the input signal. While this technique works,
it produces a recording with more hiss in it than is desirable.
We offer a solution to this problem with our D7/8, D100/M1 and
SBM-1 microphone preamp upgrades. After the upgrade the SBM-1's
microphone input can handle a +5db input level and the D7/8/100/M1
-2db. This insures you will be able to use the full 16 bits of
resolution for your recording. An added plus to this is the
reduction of microphone preamp noise, we find the stock D7/8/100/M1's
microphone preamps to be unusable in the higher gain setting. After
our upgrade the noise floor is reduced substantially, resulting
in a less noisy recording, the type we have all come to expect
out of digital recorders. For more details please check out our
web site.
peace Doug
www.oade.com
912-228-4480
From: "Doug Oade" <Doug@oade.com>
Subject: re: S/PDIF and SCMS
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:44:05 -0500
Hello ! We have been told by the Major DAT machine manufacturers
that they do not support resetting the SCMS ID6 bits thru the
S/PDIF input due to legal reasons. The data stream contains bits
to tell the receiving machine if the format is consumer or
professional data transmission, regardless of any "special" cables
used to input an AES/EBU data stream into an S/PDIF connector.
S/PDIF to AES/EBU is a different story, data imported via this
connector can be manipulated. Canare makes a pulse transformer
designed for this application ( we have not used it).
Hope this helps..... Doug
From: "Doug Oade" <Doug@oade.com>
Subject: re: D100/M1 passive digital I/O
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:41:35 -0500
Hello ! We have done extensive testing on the D100's ability to
drive a 75 ohm S/PDIF input thru a passive cable. While this is
not our first choice for this application, it does work. The
TX pin on the 7 pin connector is buffered by a TC74U04F ic, not
driven directly by ic 506, the units' DSP. This chip, while not
designed to drive a 75ohm load, will. We have been collecting
feild reports as well and all the results, so far, are positve.
We have not seen or heard of problems with the lower voltage
driving the input of D3/7/8's when using an active or a passive
cable. Therefore, the only advantage of our 150.00 cable over the
100.00 cable (besides the 3 year vs. 1 year warranty) is the
input selector switch. This switch allows you to use the cable
on the lead deck as well as any decks patched into a daisy chain.
peace .. Doug
From: Brad Mastrine <nlhaze@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO: ABB 7/13/72 Gaelic Park Bronx, NY
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:38:01 -0800 (PST)
Like I said:
ISO: ABB 7/13/72 Gaelic Park Bronx, NY
Help me out. I'm losing my second deck and want to do a quick trade
for this.
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From: Max <davros@cyclone.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fuji DDS
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:58:10 -0800 (PST)
> From: Steven Kwartin (7037) <SMK@adorno.com>
> Subject: Fuji DDS
> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 12:21:19 -0500
>
> Does anyone know the OEM for this product, or have information as to
> their reliability, etc? FWIW, they are on sale (with a $25 rebate) from
> Global Computer Supplies (www.globalcomputer.com). Net cost for a
> 90m is $3.95. Steve
I'm pretty sure that Fuji makes their own tapes, and I find them to be
very reliable. However, I will not buy them anymore simply because
they cheated me out of that $25 rebate. They sent me a little
postcard stating that they could not issue the rebate because I
supposedly failed to include the UPC symbols. The card did not have
any phone number I could call, not that it would have helped any
considering that I had already mailed all the UPC symbols to them.
IMHO, it's far easier to buy tapes where you don't have to go through
this rebate hassle and depend upon the honesty of some giant
corporation.
Max
--
There's a cold wind out tonight
The chill of distant eyes
An orbit survey finds...your mind
Geoff Tate, 1986
From: Max <davros@cyclone.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Re: Cloning between a Sony D100 and Fostex D5?
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:06:13 -0800 (PST)
> From: Lerdawg@aol.com
> Subject: Cloning between a Sony D100 and Fostex D5?
> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 18:28:49 EST
>
> Quick question for all you digital tapers, I have a Sony D100 and
> want to clone DAT's between this deck and a friend's Fostex D5,
> digitally, of course. Now, to my understanding, the D5 only offers
> optical and XLR digital inputs, and currently I only possess a
> coax > 7-pin digital cable for my Sony portable, which is fine
> when I need a line out at shows from someone's Tascam DA-P1.
> What I would like to know is whether there is a cable which I
> can run from my Sony to the Fostex, such as a 7-pin to optical.
> My other concern is that cloning optically is subject to jitter
> and may experience a higher error count. Are there particular
> optical cables which are the best ones to purchase? Most
> importantly, is there a way to run a coax cable into a D5,
> by using an adapter (or DAC possibly) of some kind?
Jitter is not an issue in digital cloning. Well, to be more precise,
small amounts of jitter are quite acceptable because the incoming
signal gets buffered before it is written on tape. If your deck
produces so much jitter that the writing process fails, that deck
needs to be serviced. Anyway, I believe that Core Sound makes a 7-pin
-> XLR cable that will serve your needs. According to their WWW page,
it works between a D100 and an Otari DTR-8S, but the Fostex deck is
similar enough that there shouldn't be any problems. Take a look at
http://www.panix.com/~moskowit for more info.
Max
--
There's a cold wind out tonight
The chill of distant eyes
An orbit survey finds...your mind
Geoff Tate, 1986
From: Max <davros@cyclone.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Re: Does Digital Cable Length Matter?
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:14:16 -0800 (PST)
> From: Bryce <spaceism@sprint.ca>
> Subject: Does Digital Cable Length Matter?
> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 11:18:36 -0500
>
> Taken from the Kimber Kable homepage. Please read my questions (a & b)
> after this quote.
>
> DOES LENGTH MATTER IN DIGITAL TRANSMISSION LINES?
>
> When a reflection occurs at the load/receiver, it travels over the
> length of the transmission line toward the source/driver where it
> may affect the impending transmission of the next word and its
> subsequent timing (word clock) pulse. Longer cables have a natural
> advantage in that the extended group delay and additional
> attenuation reduce the possible effects the reflected signal may
> have on the impending transmission. Shorter cables do not exhibit as
> much of that natural advantage and, therefore cannot 'buffer' the
> effects of reflected signal as well as the longer lengths.
The above statement implies that the optimum strategy is to use an
infinitely long transmission line. Of course, that is blatantly false
because your signal will be completely lost as a result of attenuation
and destructive interference from the reflections. Instead, the best
approach is to use a matched cable and minimize its length so that the
phase difference of the reflected signal will be minimal.
Max
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There's a cold wind out tonight
The chill of distant eyes
An orbit survey finds...your mind
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From: "Erik_johnson" <erik@newfire.com>
Subject: Silicon Valley CA Unideckers
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:20:35 -0800
Hi All,
I'm just wondering if there are any unideckers in Silicon Valley (San Jose,
Sunnyvale, Santa Clara, Mtn. View, etc) who would like to get together and
spin some clones. I have plenty of friends with decks, but none live within
an hour of me, so I only get to make clones every couple of weeks or so. If
you are interested, send me mail. I live in Mountain View, California.
Thanks,
Erik
From: Max <davros@cyclone.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Brian Cox again
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:20:30 -0800 (PST)
This subject has come up here before. For the sake of all the
newbies, here's the short summary: do not trade with this person!
The long summary: trading with Brian Cox will require you to wait for
months (or sometimes over a year) with no guarantee that you will ever
receive your tapes. In the past, his only defense has been that he
spends all his free time travelling just to tape more shows and has no
time to fulfil his trading obligations. While Brian may have good
intentions, the end result is the same as when you get taken by a
ripoff artist: you will most likely NOT get your tapes.
Max
--
There's a cold wind out tonight
The chill of distant eyes
An orbit survey finds...your mind
Geoff Tate, 1986
From: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@atd.ucar.edu>
Subject: Re: DAT Players
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:34:43 -0700
> I'd like it if someone could recommend =
> an online webpage that sells DAT equipment.
I maintain the DAT-Heads Vendor page for this purpose. It's at:
http://www.eklektix.com/dat-heads/Vendors/
>From there you can go to a number of different vendors' pages.
jon
From: "king chazz" <kingchazz18@hotmail.com>
Subject: metallica tapers section and more
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:41:14 PST
Hey all,
i'm new to this and dat, so hang with me. Does anyone have a good
used sony dat recorder for sale? a d8 or so? I'm planning to record some
shows this summer.
Also, is there any news about metallica allowing taping on the
upcoming tour?
-chazz
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/9490
kingchazz18@hotmail.com
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From: Tom Doub <thomas.w.doub@vanderbilt.edu>
Subject: DAT dealer in Germany
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:54:05 -0600
Can anyone direct me to a good DAT dealer who sells in Europe (specifically
Germany). An off-list friend of mine near Cologne has been told that the
only DAT recorders for sale in Europe are the Sony D100 (dm 1699) and Sony
DTC-ZE700 (dm 1400). Surely this is false information. He is looking for
an R300 or R500.
Tom Doub
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