DAT-Heads Digest #870

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April Fool's Specials at Sonic Sense ("Marc Nutter") 80 min media that works in marantz units (les gordon) BNL Simulcast @ Supper Club, NYC 04.05.99 (Paul Rafanello) CDRWin adds index marks when copying CD->HD->CD (Alan Saferstein) [no subject] ("Charles M. Quinn") update on SCI NYE CDR Tree ("John L") Jefferson Starship in JPN ("toshitaka kuniyoshi") FT: The Get Up Kids - 03.30.99 Boston's; Tempe, AZ (Joshua Provost) Re: Best Batteries SBM1... D100/M1... (treizes1@mail-atm.nycap.rr.com) Merle Fest Tapes ("John L") Chris Whitley/Open Taping (Seth) Nick cave/dirty 3 London 30.3.99 ("peter b.") Re: Stand-alone CD recorder auto-stop ("Gary Davis") ISO: Sisters Of Mercy (MLavallee@aol.com) Re: SBM power issues & cables for sale ... NiMH Super Cells ... Digest #869 (GuySonic@aol.com) TANGERINE DREAM AT "KlangArt Festival" in JUNE ("Francisco Salgado C.") MP3s ("Rob Bertrando") RE: How do MP3's sound? (Craig Eubanks) RE: DAT-Heads Digest #869 (Greg Dunn)
From: "Marc Nutter" <sncsns@henge.com> Subject: April Fool's Specials at Sonic Sense Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:29:32 -0700 Hi All, Just wanted to let everyone know about the great specials happening through the end of this week at Sonic Sense. Portable Recording Equipment HHB, Sony, Tascam, Graham-Patten, and Eco-Charge on sale. Lunatec V2 package systems now available. Home and Studio digital recording equipment on sale. Panasonic, Marantz, Sony, HHB All at prices too low to list. Please send email to sncsns@henge.com with "April Fool's" in the subject line for details While some may find deals this good to be foolish, these sales are no joke! Happy Recording to all, Marc Marc Nutter Sonic Sense P.O. Box 61141 Denver, CO 80206 (303) 698-1296 http://www.henge.com/~sncsns
From: les gordon <lesg@microserve.net> Subject: 80 min media that works in marantz units Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:35:13 -0500 (EST) hello all, i now have 80 min media that perfectly in marantz and phillips based units. these do not work in consumer grade units. they are $1.99 each in spindles of 50 $99.50 delivered. thanks /les.
From: Paul Rafanello <intone@warwick.net> Subject: BNL Simulcast @ Supper Club, NYC 04.05.99 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:04:48 -0500 For those of you in the NYC area, MSG's "Metro Guide" is going to simulcast the show in it's entirety. Set yer decks. Paul Rafanello intone@warwick.net
From: Alan Saferstein <gruvenon@southeast.net> Subject: CDRWin adds index marks when copying CD->HD->CD Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:09:29 -0500 This is a public service announcement to Goldenhawk CDRWin users. When you use the Extract Disc/Tracks/Sectors to Image File: Extract Mode: Disc Image/Cue Sheet, the cue sheet created by CDRWin adds index's on every track after track 1. Index 00 on tracks 2 and 3 below are not on the cd I was copying, CDRWin added them. So, what I am getting at here is if you want to make a 'copy' of a cd, and not something that 'resembles' the original cd, *you must delete the INDEX 00 XX:XX:XX lines* as I have shown corrected below. It is reported that the addition of these 2 sec 'pregap without silence' index marks have something to do with the red book standard. The way I see it this is not an 'image' of the disc since things have been added that are not on the disc. BTW thanks to Andrew R. for noticing this quirk. FILE "D:\Z19C.BIN" BINARY TRACK 01 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00 TRACK 02 AUDIO INDEX 00 10:26:00 INDEX 01 10:28:00 TRACK 03 AUDIO INDEX 00 29:39:00 INDEX 01 29:41:00 should be FILE "D:\Z19C.BIN" BINARY TRACK 01 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00 TRACK 02 AUDIO INDEX 01 10:28:00 TRACK 03 AUDIO INDEX 01 29:41:00
From: "Charles M. Quinn" <cmquinn@primenet.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:07:53 Found this on the web somewhere. Anyone tape it? Trade? Charles AQUARIUM UNIT TO THE RESCUE Bassist Oteil Burbridge had a busy night March 28. After finishing the last show of an 18-night stand with the Allman Brothers Band at the Beacon Theater, he rushed downtown to the TriBeCa nightclub Wetlands to host an all-night jam session featuring a reunion of the original members of another group he plays in, Aquarium Rescue Unit. Burbridge and original ARU drummer Jim "Apt. Q259" White were joined by guitarists Col. Bruce Hampton, Atlanta's answer to Captain Beefheart, and Jimmy Herring, part of the highly successful "Jazz Is Dead" Grateful Dead interpretive group. The reconstituted ARU performed "Compared To What," "Fixin' To Die," "Time Is Free" and "Basically Frightened" from the band's 1992 debut album. The ensuing jam session lasted until dawn, with Burbridge joined by Gov't Mule bassist Allen Woody, Parliament/Funkadelic keyboardist Bernie Worrell and various guitarists, percussionists and vocalists on a wide array of material. The set ranged from "Space Is the Place" and "Outer Space Incorporated" by Sun Ra to material from "Love Of A Lifetime," Burbridge's first solo album.
From: "John L" <JLevene@idcomm.com> Subject: update on SCI NYE CDR Tree Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:26:35 -0700 The signup is closed and I will post a tree by this weekend. Thanks john
From: "toshitaka kuniyoshi" <thrak@mocha.ocn.ne.jp> Subject: Jefferson Starship in JPN Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:07:09 +0900 Hello DAT Heads, Jefferson Starship is now playing here in JPN this week. My friend taped their shows(both 1st and 2nd stage) yesterday. *SANKEN COS-11 mics>CSP-161 pre-amp>D8 He would like to trade it for recently Jeff Beck tapes or Rolling Stones(March tour's) tapes. Look forward to hearing from you soon. toshitaka kuniyoshi thrak@mocha.ocn.ne.jp "the world without taping and trading is chaos"
From: Joshua Provost <jprovost@starla.org> Subject: FT: The Get Up Kids - 03.30.99 Boston's; Tempe, AZ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 02:51:55 -0700 DAT-Heads, I just taped The Get Up Kids, an exciting and amusing emo-core band from Oklahoma last night. It was quite fun and great, energetic music. Taped 10' directly at the left stack with CSB's to an M1. Sounds terrific. I'm interested in trades for Smashing Pumpkins, Ednaswap, and Hum, DAT and analog masters. http://www.starla.org/trade.txt Thanks for the bandwidth, Joshua Provost jprovost@starla.org starla.org http://www.starla.org/ "Ha-ha. Yeah, I suck." -- Jason J. Briggeman, 1998 "You're web site looks like Tommy Hilfiger." -- Bryan J. Freeland, 1998 "Bad Marshmellow!" -- Sachin J. Bansal, 1998 "Sometimes I don't know when you're kidding." -- Simon J. Coyle, 1998
From: treizes1@mail-atm.nycap.rr.com Subject: Re: Best Batteries SBM1... D100/M1... Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:04:32 +0000 FYI, Consumer reports has done extensive testing of battery life in high drain electronics (e.g. portable CD players, dat machines, etc.) And have rated Radio Shacks _alakalines_ as the _BEST_. Main reason, High turn over, RS sells more batts than any other brand. I started using them when the Duracell multi paks I was buying at a large home discount center, started going dead faster than usual. I have been able to run the RS alkalines for over 3.5-4 hrs in my SBM1 over non consecutive days and in one stretch. To boot, they have Batt. discunt cards that get you discounts on each purchase and free batts every third purchase. I'm in no way affiliated with RS, just thought I would pass on the info cause I was sick of wasting $ on the _brand_ name batts. happy taping, peace, tr btw, for long term taping in D100/M1s the Eveready lithiums are the choice, I haven't had the nerve to try the RS alkalines for that yet.
From: "John L" <JLevene@idcomm.com> Subject: Merle Fest Tapes Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:23:53 -0700 I am courious who and how many people have taper tickets for the festival. I will be there w/ my B&K's. Does anyone have a spare floor space on a hotel room to share? john
From: Seth <info@projectnim.com> Subject: Chris Whitley/Open Taping Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:27:13 -0500 (EST) Hey there, Chris Whitley, who just got off the road with Jonny Lang, has embarked on a 2 month solo tour. He now has an open policy on sound board patches (a first for him) and mic recording. If you haven't seen him, you must. He plays a mean dobro and his new album "Dirt Floor" kicks ass. If you tape any of these shows please let me know. thanks, Seth Here are some tour dates: check http://messengerrecords.com for more cities... 4/1 Lawrence, KS Liberty Hall (w/ String Cheese Incident) 4/2 St. Louis, MO American Theater ( w/ String Cheese Incident) 4/3 Columbia, MO Mojo 4/6 Boulder, CO Fox Theater 4/8 Fort Collins, CO Aggie Theater 4/9 Salt Lake City, UT Zephyr 4/11 Vancouver, BC Richards 4/14 Seattle, WA Tractor Tavern 4/15 Seattle, WA Tractor Tavern 4/16 Portland, OR Berbati's Pan 4/17 San Francisco, CA Bottom of the Hill 4/18 San Francisco, CA Bottom of the Hill 4/21 Los Angeles, CA The Roxy 4/22 San Diego, CA Brick By Brick 4/23 Tucson, AZ Club Congress 4/25 Santa Fe, NM Paramount 4/28 Little Rock, AR Juanita's 4/29 Dallas, TX Gypsy Tea Room 5/1 Austin, TX Antone's 5/18 Washington, DC Iota 5/19 Baltimore, MD Fletcher's 5/20 Philadelphia, PA Tin Angel 5/21 Philadelphia, PA Tin Angel 5/22 New York, NY Bowery Ballroom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.projectnim.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: "peter b." <pbdlist@hotmail.com> Subject: Nick cave/dirty 3 London 30.3.99 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 02:24:19 PST Taped the above show from Royal festival hall this week.Also new BBC broadcasts from SUEDE (london astoria 27.3.99) , PJ HARVEY/ECHO & BUNNYMEN (London improv theatre 1.4.99) and DEUS (maida vale studios 29.3.99).Please send list for trade. pete Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com> Subject: Re: Stand-alone CD recorder auto-stop Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 03:01:03 -0800 >This business of "auto stop after 10 seconds of silence" is a >common feature of stand-alone CD recorders. This isn't quite true. The real problem is with the Philips, Marantz, and Tascam models that stop after 18 seconds of relative quiet (NOT requiring silence). Earlier HHB and Pioneer models would stop after roughly that length of total digital silence. The new HHB and Fostex models allow the auto-stop for total digital silence to occur instantly, after 10 seconds, or never. Unintended auto-stop never was a problem with the Pioneer/HHB/Fostex/Otari models, and it's clearly a bug, even if an intentional one, of the Marantz CDR-630/Philips/Tascam models. (The Marantz CDR-615/620/640 only stop on full digital silence). --G --G
From: MLavallee@aol.com Subject: ISO: Sisters Of Mercy Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:43:53 EST Subject pretty much sums it up... Plenty to trade. Thanks - Mark
From: GuySonic@aol.com Subject: Re: SBM power issues & cables for sale ... NiMH Super Cells ... Digest #869 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:37:17 EST In a message dated 4/1/99 1:45:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, DAT-Heads- Request@fedney.near.net writes: << ------------------------------ From: "Glenn" <menehune@pixi.com> Subject: SBM power issues & cables for sale Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:28:25 -1000 Howdy folks, a while back there was a discussion regarding battery life using the rechargebles included with the d100/ m-1. Has any one used these batteries in an SBM succesfully. Also is there a general concensus that the SBM lasts longer when used only as an A/D converter and not a mic amp? I am getting 3 hours plus on energizer "advanced formula". Thanks for any input. Also I have a couple of pairs of 1.5 meter balanced interconnects with neutric connectors and xlr>rca if anyone is interested, reasonable or will trade for blanks. Finally JGB 2-4-82 extra for the first newbie. --glenn --- >> Figure that with the Radio Shack #23-525 NiMH 1200 ma rated AA cells about 2.5 hours Max is likely (not verified). I believe Klay was also carrying a good brand with a bit more capacity than these Radio Shack cells. However, I am currently trying to source a suitable 1500+ ma NiMH AA cell that should provide closer to 3.5 hours maximum on the SBM-1 and well over 4 hours on the D100/M1 decks. While several sources for these exist, the positive tab is not extended enough to reliably contact most 'safety keyed' or recessed + terminal battery holders. Special Ordering large quantities with the proper terminal configuration seems necessary. Anyone interested in future notification on availability these "super capacity" NiMH AA cells please send me E-mail with "NiMH Super Cells" in the subject line so to be notified if this becomes a reality. My site has guidelines on how to best manage charging and maintaining NiMH cells at: <A HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com/batsys98.htm"> http://www.sonicstudios.com/batsys98.htm</A> look at the page end for these tips. Also, externally connected rechargeable Lead/Acid battery systems suitable for powering the SBM-1 for extended periods are also available on the same page. Prices are a bit less than is listed for 3APB/5APB systems. Regards in Sound & Music Recording, Leonard (& Debbie) Lombardo ======================================== Sonic Studios(tm)..."Making Audio History With DSM(tm) Microphones" TEL: 541-459-8839 /\ FAX: 541-459-8842 /\ USA Free: 1-888-875-4976 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Informative WEB SITE: http:// <A HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com"> WWW.SONICSTUDIOS.COM</A> A better wish... "A bit of knowledge coupled to a great deal of wisdom"
From: "Francisco Salgado C." <fsalgado@retemail.es> Subject: TANGERINE DREAM AT "KlangArt Festival" in JUNE Reply-To: fsalgado@retemail.es Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 16:03:54 +0200 HI DAT heads Just to ley all German DAT-HEADS that TD will perform in "KlangArt Festival" Anyone that plan to be there, please dont forget your DAT and a good pair of mics. I'm specially interested in Tangerine Dream but I would like to trade evey good performance of this festival. See the text at the tangerine dream page: http://www.snafu.de/~tadream/firstright.html -- Francisco ************************************** Tangerine Dream want to announce their performance at this year's "KlangArt Festival", a four- day multimedial happening of modern contemporary music. The festival will take place from June 10th to June 13th, 1999, in the "Stadthalle" of "KlangArt Festival" and various other locations around this German town. Tangerine Dream will perform there on Saturday, June 12th, at 9:00 PM, as the headlining act. They will play a previously unreleased piece called "Mars Polaris". This is the first time since 1982 that TD will present their audience a completely new production in concert. "Mars Polaris" will be approximately 100 minutes long. Edgar and Jerome Froese have worked on this composition since August 1998. The journey of NASA's spacecraft, "Mars Polar Lander", to the red planet as well as some still mostly unknown aspects about this most important of Earth's neighboring planets provide the inspirational base for this musical story. *************************************
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From: Craig Eubanks <craige@gate.net> Subject: RE: How do MP3's sound? Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:55:19 -0500 (EST) > With all this talk that MP3's are gonna put the record industry out > of business, I'm wondering how they sound? Are they "almost CD > quality" like the latest-generation mini-disc, or "almost CD quality" > like a buzzy Sanyo BetaHiFi (advertised as such back in the '80s). > > In other words... does anyone who's really listened to MP3's have > an opinion about how they sound? Well since the software is free (mp3.com), and mp3 files are free, have a listen yourself. I love them personally, since I work in the Information Technology biz, I can run them off my laptop all day long. No need for carrying cd's or brining in a boom box. This company actually has an mp3 server with ton's of dead, phish, day by the river, mediski martin & wood, and more. Of course it is hidden from the execs... (-: Last night I played Day By the River's all mp3 CD "Watermarks" for a local DJ/Programming director at the Altanta Station Z-93. He had heard about MP3 but not yet listened to one. He was floored, and couldn't beleive that it was not an audio CD. I think he is now hooked. He saw the beauty of being to store DAT shows in a computer ( Jeff Dunham is a huge Jam music fan and Deadhead). If you want to download a couple MP3's to check it out, Day By the River has MP3's of their music, both live and studio at http://www.daybytheriver.com/samples.html Cheers, Craig
From: Greg Dunn <gdunn@ssg.ci.in.ameritech.com> Subject: RE: DAT-Heads Digest #869 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:04:53 -0500 > From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com> > Subject: How do MP3's sound? > Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 22:54:51 -0800 > > With all this talk that MP3's are gonna put the record industry out > of business, I'm wondering how they sound? Are they "almost CD > quality" like the latest-generation mini-disc, or "almost CD quality" > like a buzzy Sanyo BetaHiFi (advertised as such back in the '80s). > > In other words... does anyone who's really listened to MP3's have > an opinion about how they sound? It depends heavily on the bit rate used for encoding, and the type of music. I have encoded a number of MP3s for my daughter's band's web page, plus some more for listening test purposes. At high rates (128kbps) from a decent encoding program, they sound OK. I can still hear some of the lossy encoding artifacts (varying from a gargling sound to some non-specific modulation effects), but it's no worse than FM radio from a typical compressed pop station. Well, maybe not THAT bad... At lower bit rates, the sound deteriorates rapidly. I was trying to avoid having people DL a 5MB file just to hear the band's music, so I cranked the bit rate down to 48kbps and used joint stereo. It took an hour of experimentation to find an encoder that didn't introduce horrible and loud modulation on the signal. It's still there in the samples I uploaded to the web page, but at least it's tolerable and the users have an endurable wait for it to load. Overall, I'd say that until the encoding algorithms get a lot better, or unless you can tolerate a huge bandwidth (OK for the portable MP3 players I guess), the recording industry has nothing to fear as far as audiophiles go. It sure isn't a threat for me. :-)
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