DAT-heads Digest #281
Contents:
looking for tapers in Quebec,CANADA ("Tom Bjelland")
Nexcell NiMH (Eugene Hu)
Re: Re: Sonic Studios MP3 downloads: Kosher? #279 (GuySonic@aol.com)
Contest at Cassette House (Cassette House)
phish 9/17/99 unidecker BnP (jimmy sellers)
WAV file splitting utility ("Brian Price")
Anyone in NYC want to tape Lurie? (O Nelson)
have a high-speed net connection? (Rob Gronotte)
re: Datport +win2000 (Jesse Lackey)
Need To Locate A WSP NYE Taper in or traveling to Atlanta ("Lost_Sailor")
ISO:Phish december shows ("Marcello Gasperini")
44.1 or 48K? ("Mike Parker")
ISO: Abyssinians... (James Peterson)
please help ! ("purple")
RE: optical v coax and cdrs... (Nick Hickman)
From: "Tom Bjelland" <bloodfiends@hotmail.com>
Subject: looking for tapers in Quebec,CANADA
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:01:48 PST
Hi fellow DAT tapers,
I'm searching to get in touch with DAT tapers from Montreal and
Quebec City,CANADA
or anyone who lives in the province QUEBEC,CANADA.If you are a DAT taper
from
Quebec PLEASE e-mail me directly to: bloodfiends@hotmail.com as soon as
possible.I'm in need to get a DAT clone of 2 special upcoming rock shows in
Montreal and Quebec City in beginning of next february.I will pay the
tapers for
their
tickets,blanks,postage and even gas if necessary.I am in touch with several
DAT tapers in USA that can prove that i will cover all your expenses.I would
love to get a DAT
clone from each of these shows so PLEASE get in touch asap.
Hope to hear from you very soon.
Thanks,
Tom
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From: Eugene Hu <eugene@goto.com>
Subject: Nexcell NiMH
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:22:07 -0800
I finally got some time to try out some 1350mAH NiMH AA batteries
that I picked up several months back in my D100. I taped a show with
them a while back, but it only ran 1:45 so it didn't say much on battery
life except that the indicator was only one segment down. Since I didn't
wasn't attending any concerts over the holidays, I figured I'd just plop
it next to the TV and record the TV and other everyday sounds in high
sensitivity (0dB) mode with my Sanken COS11s. Tape was a new labelled
Maxell 90 meter that had been FF/REW in one of my big decks. The really
good news is that the batteries ran this for the entire 3:06 or so and
still had plenty of juice to rewind the tape. While this is only one
trial, it does seem pretty promising. I'll probably try to run some
more experiments in my copious :-) spare time. The brand is "Nexcell"
and you can probably find it with your favorite search engine.
-Eugene
From: GuySonic@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Sonic Studios MP3 downloads: Kosher? #279
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:31:02 EST
In a message dated 12/26/99 1:20:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net writes:
<< -----------------------------
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Sonic Studios MP3 downloads: Kosher? #278
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 12:54:30 -0500 (EST)
Leonard, next time, try putting up MP3's (or .shn's) of the same track
from several different mics, without labelling which came from which
mic. Then people can decide for themselves which they like better;
later, you can reveal which came from which mic. (The last time I did
something like that, the listeners were split about equally.)
GuySonic COMMENT: I was hoping not to start a 'contest' with this thing, only
allow for this version to finally get some play. The comparisons were to
motivate some of you to endure the large 15 MEG download with why it would be
worth the trouble. A lossless .shn of this would be even more excruciating
to download and seemingly not practical for most as it encodes to a 69.5 MEG
file size!
As for the "true ambient sound", people's ears are directional (in a
pattern not matched by any mic), so neither an omni nor a directional
mic will record the same sound that a person hears. (The "artificial
head" recordings come closest, but they have the problem that the
frequency response is that of the ear/ear canal as well, so they
should be equalized to remove that, otherwise that response is
"doubled" when the tape is listened to.)
GuySonic COMMENT: Seth's comment about "true ambient sound" is an excellent
description of the "in ear" Binaural method and some of its limitations, but
this seems a bit off topic as Mark DID NOT USE A BINAURAL MIC METHOD. As
such, the Sonic Mic/LiteGUY "Days Between" recording is 100% speaker ready
and plays without any need of any corrective equalization for headphones or
speaker reproduction. The posted recording is ALSO fully Dolby Pro Logic
decodeable; those with theater surround speaker systems are in for a real
treat with the rear surround channels decoding the Warfield ambient.
It's also important to know that I DO NOT recommend or use the Binaural mic
method.
Sonic Studios DSM mics use a different (Methodology/Utility Patented)
surround reception approach with none of the limitations inherent with the
binaural approach. While Binaural recording has been around for over 30
years, it has maintained very limited professional usage, but does make for
very exciting headphone recordings when done properly. BTW some of the
available dummy head Binaural mics ARE extremely expensive, a few costing
$15,000 -+$30,000!
A few professional Sonic Studios customers (like Russell mentioned below)
have used these high end binaural head systems and have found that when it
comes down to it, the DSM mics consistently produce MORE USABLE recordings
than even these very expensive dummy head type mics. The reason: DSM mics
use a different method of surround pattern reception that works in a more
universally compatible and acoustically designed correct manner.
DSM mic systems (used as suggested) produce ambient recordings of exactly
what is heard live and are now responsible for 5%-80% of all the ambient and
sound effects used in current films where the excellent 5-25,000 cycle
surround sound imaging is appreciated and fully utilized by the sound/EFX
designers.
Some Examples: The action film "The QUEST" (sound by "Sounddogs' Vaughn
Delpeuch, Paula Fairfield at Deluxe Toronto) was over 80% DSM mic recorded
worldwide recorded ambients and sound effects using DSM-6S/H + TCD-D7 DAT
systems! DSM mics also provided the major share of effects/ambients in
others like The Postman, The Chamber, Forget Paris, The Relic, and Academy
Awarded for Sound design "Saving Private Ryan" by designer Gary Rydstrom of
SkyWalker, and too many more to remember over the past 10 years.
If you've had a chance to experience Disney World in Florida, it's surprising
to learn that nearly 100% of all the sound effects/ambients you hear there
are DSM mic'd solely by Disney sound supervisor Russell Brower who stated
(last year) that the "whole park is run by DSM mic'd recordings!"
The point of this is that none of this very wide professional media
acceptance (film sound ambienst/EFX, music composition, samples, live
performance recordings) of surround recordings was or is ever going to be
possible with the binaural method that Seth describes above.
Most people just don't know there's a difference and that all "head" mic type
recordings are the same, nothing could be farther from reality.
Sorry for the long-winded INTRODUCTION to HRTF recording methods, but the
subject apparently needs to be better understood and most seem not to read
the complete descriptions on my site. Also See: <A
HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com/multitrk.htm">http://www.sonicstudios.com/mu
ltitrk.htm</A>
Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard Lombardo
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From: Cassette House <artmuns@edge.net>
Subject: Contest at Cassette House
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:17:37 -0600
Hi Folks,
I thought it was about time to give some stuff away at Cassette House,
so here goes:
Just guess how many 90 meter (180 min) DAT tapes (all brands) we
have sold in the month of December 1999. Closest guess wins.
First Prize: Kodak DC200 Digital Camera ($300 Value)
Second Prize: $100 Shopping Spree at Cassette House
Third Prize: $50 Shopping Spree at Cassette House
No purchase necessary, only 1 entry per person. In case of tie,
earliest entry wins.
Just go to http://www.tape.com/contest.html and enter your name and
e-mail address.
This is the only way to enter, please do not e-mail me directly.
I will contact you via e-mail if you have won and post the winners
on the web site.
Contest ends Jan. 15th 2000. Winners will be announced on or before Jan. 30th.
Please, no phone calls. I'll contact you if you have won.
Good luck!
Art
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From: jimmy sellers <pjimmy@delanet.com>
Subject: phish 9/17/99 unidecker BnP
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:54:47 -0500
hey all-
i have an extra copy of the phish show from 9/17/99 with phil lesh. it is
from a schoeps source. the reason i wanted to see if any unideckers wanted
it is because it has a couple of flaws in it. it is on 2 60m sony DG tapes.
drop me a line if you are interested.
later,
jimmy
dat list: http://members.xoom.com/jimmyfart/datlist.html
cd&shn list: http://members.xoom.com/jimmyfart/cdlist.html
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From: "Brian Price" <bprice@sunflower.com>
Subject: WAV file splitting utility
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:53:39 -0600
I use a great little utility to split shows up in to tracks called CDWav.
It is really small, quick, and simple to use.
Check out http://www.crosswinds.net/~cdwave/
Happy Taping
>From: Evan Morris <emorris@pacifier.com>
>Subject: Software to split large WAVs or MP3s ??
>Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:09:19 -0500
>
>I'm transferring some of my DATs to WAVs via DATPort & it is working great.
>Only drawback is that I have to manually stop the recording in between
tracks
>or sets to create separate files. Anyone know of a free or inexpensive
utility
>to split a WAV or MP3 based on 1-3 seconds of silence? That way I could
dump
>entire show & split later.
>
>BTW I have found a utility called CODAXE to be very quick (2 megs/second)
in
>converting WAVs from 32k to 44k.
>
>Evan
From: O Nelson <onelson@enteract.com>
Subject: Anyone in NYC want to tape Lurie?
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:12:00 -0600
From Strangeandbeautiful.com:
December 20, 1999. (source: Mohamed Alladin)
The John Lurie National Orchestra will be performing at
Joe's Pub on Tuesday December 28 and Wednesday
December 29, 1999. Showtimes are 9:00 PM each night.
Seating is limited. For reservations call (212) 539-8778.
Tickets can also be purchased at the door if available.
Joe's Pub is located at 425 Lafayette Street between 4th
Street and Astor Place, New York City.
John Lurie National Orchestra is a trio featuring Lounge
Lizards members:
John Lurie, saxophones
Mauro Refosco, percussion
Calvin Weston, Drums
From: Rob Gronotte <rob@patriot.net>
Subject: have a high-speed net connection?
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:18:22 -0500 (EST)
Is there anyone who has a highspeed internet connection and would like to
trade tapes of RealAudio broadcasts? I have found several live
performances archived on the web (especially at www.kcrw.org) that I would
love to get a good copy of. I have an old modem and soundcard, so they
sound crappy on my PC, but I think if you have a cable modem, ISDN, or
other high-speed connection, and a good soundcard, you could probably get
a good tape of them. Thought this would be ideal for someone who might
have time and current equipment but not much to trade, it would be a good
way to build some material to trade with myself and others.
Does anyone already have experience doing this type of thing? I would
like to know what the results or like.
Rob
Why don't you come up and surf me sometime? --> http://www.patriot.net/users/rob
From: Jesse Lackey <jesse@celestialaudio.com>
Subject: re: Datport +win2000
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:24:02 -0500
> >Win2000 build 2195 (final) works flawless with Opcode Sonicport.
> >Datport = Sonicport without analog IO using the same USB win2000 drivers. So
> >I think It wil work OK.
>
> Pardon my ignorance, but I thought that all Win98 32-bit drivers were
> supposed to work with Windows 2K?
>
It depends on the driver. Drivers written to the new WDM (windows driver
model, i think it stands for) will work with both. However, Win98 also
supports Win95 drivers. These older (32-bit, but following an older api)
will not work on Win2000.
Jesse
From: "Lost_Sailor" <windead@dreamcom.net>
Subject: Need To Locate A WSP NYE Taper in or traveling to Atlanta
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:32:12 -0500
I've got a request to make
of any taper headed to the Wide Spread Panic NYE show in Atlanta. I have a
friend who's on the floor who needs a patch. If you can accomidate, please
email via this address and:
thomas_denman@lotus.com
I would really appreciate any assistance anyone can offer toward this end.
Peace,
Tom
From: "Marcello Gasperini" <nfgas@tin.it>
Subject: ISO:Phish december shows
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:44:32 +0100
Hi all,
subject says it all.Lots to trade(1000 hours Phish on dats).
Thanks & Happy New Year.
Marcello
From: "Mike Parker" <parker@aracnet.com>
Subject: 44.1 or 48K?
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 03:33:26 -0800
I`m going to dub some cassettes to dat, then to cdr. I`ll be dubbing at 44.1
so there will be no resampling to CDR. I used to dub everything at 48K for
DAT trading, but had to change now that CDR is in the picture. My question
is, should I bother dubbing these twice, once at 44.1, and once again at
48K? Is it possible to hear any difference, or am I just kidding myself?
thanks,
Mike Parker
From: James Peterson <jwpe@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU>
Subject: ISO: Abyssinians...
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:21:18 -0500
If any kind soul willing to help a unidecker, it would truly be kind.
I know this is a longshot- ISO: Abyssinians...
we can work something out.
thanks in advance
James
From: "purple" <purple@algonet.se>
Subject: please help !
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:57:11 +0100
Hi !
I'm going to bye me a new soundcard or...well I wan't to transfer
my dat recordings to cdr digital with my computer.
I can spend about $ 300 dollar....
Wath card are the best for about $ 300 dollar ? are this card
any good ? Turtle Beach-Montego II +=20
Or should I bye the dat port ?=20
I have allready this sound editing program "cubase VST 24 3.70 "
purple@algonet.se
Let me hear from you relly soon,
/Urban=20
From: nickh@wordcraft.co.uk (Nick Hickman)
Subject: RE: optical v coax and cdrs...
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:29:04 +0000
>From: "Robert Morein" <prolog@netreach.net>
Hi Robert,
Although you credit Mark McHarg, I think you're responding to my message.
>> The data stream will jitter, but that will only affect the CD burner if the
>> jitter exceeds a quarter of a bit width or so.
>
>Not so. If the recovered clock is not stabilized, the burner will not be
>able to synchronously write the data.
Synchronously? In what way? The data on a CD is encoded in groups of
six left/right sample pairs giving 24 bytes of data. That data, along with
synchronisation and one sub-code byte, is passed through complex
encoding algorithms to interleave the data, add redundant error-correction
information, and to massage the result into a form that can be written to the
CD as a frame. There is no way to start to write the frame until you have
collected all 24 source bytes from the SPDIF stream. I don't see that you
could call that synchronous.
>> In that event, you'll get data corruption. Jitter below that level is
>> irrelevant.
>
>Not correct.
>> The burner isn't trying to recover a clock; it's trying to read the data.
>
>Not correct. The burner cannot write data without a recovered clock. You may
>be under the misapprehension that the burner writes bits as it receives
>them; this is not the case.
No, I'm not under that misapprehension. The data stream actually written
to a CD bears essentially no relation to the raw data arriving at the SPDIF
input. For one thing, it is expanded with redundant error-correction
information, for another, it is "packetised" into frames, and for a third, it is
expanded into a form which always gives individual one bits (represented
by pit edges) interspersed by between three and eleven zero bits
(represented by the lands between pits or the pit bottoms).
As far as I can see, there must be firmware to recover bytes from the
SPDIF receiver, store them, and process them ready to be written to the
CD. Given that, I can't see how the amount of jitter on the clock from the
SPDIF receiver could affect the data written to the disc unless it is large
enough to cause corruption of the source bit values themselves.
Assuming the source data isn't being re-sampled, there's also the issue of
the regulation of writing speed, i.e. the timing of the laser burning the pits
and, possibly, the disc's rotational speed (which will gradually decrease
anyway as the write position nears the outside of the disc). I suppose this
adjustment could be derived from the clock from the SPDIF receiver, but it
would seem that it would be much easier to derive it from the amount of
buffered data waiting to be written. (The usual technique for CD players is
to adjust the rotational speed based on the amount of data in the buffer.)
Even if the writing speed was somehow derived from the SPDIF receiver's
clock and there was some possibility of clock jitter affecting the spacing
of pits on the disc's surface (and I'm far from convinced that this would ever
be the case), that would still be of very little consequence. At worst, it
could increase the error rate when the disc was read and, at very worst,
lead to interpolation if the error rate was so high as to result in uncorrectable
read errors.
That's all speculation on my part, though. I don't have any first-hand
experience of writing firmware for CD burners, so I'm not familiar with the
minutiae of how the writing hardware is driven. If I'm overlooking something,
please let me know.
>> It would be more relevant to say "the data may be recovered accurately
>> or with errors".
>
>If we are discussing a CD ROM reader and burner connected by an SP/DIF data
>connect, your above statement is not correct. In the case of computer burner
>s, your statement has some relevance. In that case, the data is written word
>by word into RAM. A computer CDR burner has it's own clock, which is
>necessary to write data at the correct 44.1 rate.
A computer burner is a rather different animal. It will typically receive its
data over a SCSI or PCI bus and might write to the disc at any arbitrary
speed. All it cares about is that the source data arrives quickly enough to
prevent its buffer underflowing.
Nick
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