DAT-heads Digest #800
Contents:
Re: V2 Power Issues ("L. Sean Kennedy")
Coalition for the Preservation of Performed Music ("Disc N Dat")
Bands that allow taping list... (BlackCrowes@gmx.net)
Bootlegger of the Week: Interscope Records ("Gary Davis")
looking for pavement related SXSW taper... ("cory rayborn")
Re: Sony TCD-D3 power usage (GuySonic@aol.com)
JIMI HENDRIX VCDS (jeremy h)
EXTRA DATS ("Clay R. Caroselli")
Klay is correct, thanks very much! (acffh)
G. Love & Special Sauce (leche@micron.net)
ISO new ISA slot motherboard for my za2 (r2d2@quik.com)
Re: Wiring Terms; Pin Two, More (Andrew Nemeth)
RE: ISO new ISA slot motherboard for my za2 (Warren Melnick)
RE: Sony TCD-D3 power usage (Warren Melnick)
Jeff Tweedy - 02/27/01 Somerville (Bill Hoy)
From: "L. Sean Kennedy" <liam@fedney.tech.xo.com>
Subject: Re: V2 Power Issues
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:48:07 -0500
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 08:35:01PM -0500, Marc Nutter wrote:
>
> I saw the recent posts about the V2 and wanted to offer some feedback.
> First, when developing the V2, I strongly encouraged Grace Design to set
> it up as a six volt unit as this is the most common for taping
Overall the V2 is a very significant improvement in useability
over the older Grace pre-amp. In particular, the phantom
was easy to turn off with any movement of the bag and the
attenuator buttons were easy to set when adjusting levels.
The phase reverse button never seemed to pose much of a problem.
> applications (unlike the big ol' Lunatec 316
> http://www.sonicsense.com/316pics.html). We wanted to make it possible
Its large, but many people use Apogees which are essentially in the
same chassis. The battery/pre-amp unit worked pretty well,
but it was a pain to still have to lug both around when you
were using a gel cell external to it. But, plenty of people have
stealthed with the original grace!
> Regarding the other issue Sean Kennedy presented about the V2 power up
> problem...
> If you ever have a V2 that doesn't power up, try turning it back off,
> turning off the phantom power (the 48v switches), then powering up
> again. Then turn on the phantom power back on.
>
> If this does not solve the problem, please contact us and we'll get your
> pre-amp in for service. All V2's have a 5-year parts and labor warranty
> and Grace Design has assured us that service requests are typically
> handled with 24 hours of receiving a unit.
To be clear, I am specifically talking about how the unit is
calibrated and a special condition.
That is, there is a voltage threshold where the unit will not
power on and there is a voltage threshold where the unit powers
itself off. I measured the former* and it was above the published
warning threshold (5.75, 5.5 is off). If you tape for a long while
at a festival and try turning off the lunatec to preserve battery
you may find it not powering back on even though the "low battery"
indicator has not flashed yet. There are two thresholds and they
are tied together, the "power on" being above "turn off" or "flashing
light."
Turning off the phantom power is a good general suggestion because
it could help avoid an initial voltage sag due to internal
resistance of the battery (and the current state of it).
Although my guess in this case is the voltage is sampled without
load (since it never powers on) so this may or may not help?
There is an internal pot which controls the thresholds and
that can be lowered, the disadvantage is this may make the
cutoff voltage low enough that you risk battery damage. That
option is open to Grace, but this is not a "preamp requires
fixing" issue. The technical procedure would be the same as
that used when switching between 6V and 12V with different
values (Grace does publish directions I believe). The best
fix is to be aware of whether your batteries are getting low
without relying totally on the flashing light. In normal
taping where you turn it on and leave it on, this is not a
concern.
Sean
* Note that the battery is not under load, so readings will be
high compared to the voltage the battery can actually deliver.
From: "Disc N Dat" <discndat@qwest.net>
Subject: Coalition for the Preservation of Performed Music
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:36:51 -0700
http://www.angelfire.com/music/CPPM/
From: BlackCrowes@gmx.net
Subject: Bands that allow taping list...
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:07:21 +0100 (MET)
Hi all,
I'm a little concerned that this valuable piece of information for all us
tapers no longer gets updated...There hasn't been done anything for the last
two years now..Kurt, are you still with us??
Does anyone else have the intention and the nerve to bring it back to live??
I'd love to do it myself but since I'm no native english spaeking person I
probably wouldn't be of much help here..But if noone else applies I could try
my best here..
Best from Munich, Germany
Karsten
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From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: Bootlegger of the Week: Interscope Records
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:35:33 -0800
Apparently Interscope Records got ahold of a copy of Eminem &
Elton John doing "Stan" at the Grammys last week, and decided to
press up a few hundred copies to send out to radio stations.
What's the big deal? Well, they don't really have permission from
Elton John or the Grammy organization. But they're not really
selling it (yet) so they hope no one will mind...
--G
From: "cory rayborn" <rayborn@threelobed.com>
Subject: looking for pavement related SXSW taper...
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:43:39 -0500
i was wondering if anyone was planning on taping scott kannberg's (aka
spiral stairs) new band, the preston school of industry, at sxsw. they're
pretty tight and i actually think his stuff is a little better than malkmus'
right now. anyway, they're playing 3/16 at la zona rosa in austin and if
you think you're going to make it and tape, please let me know. countless
amounts of pavement and related (preston, lakespeed, crust brothers, etc) to
trade...
cory
From: GuySonic@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sony TCD-D3 power usage
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:57:23 EST
In a message dated 2/27/01 8:05:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,
DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net writes:
<< ------------------------------
From: Warren Melnick <warren.melnick@astata.com>
Subject: Sony TCD-D3 power usage?
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:11:09 -0500
Does anyone know how much power a Sony D3 uses? Also, any idea of what the
high and low end of the voltage it accepts is?
TIA,
W
------------------------------ >>
The TCD-D3 DAT deck (I assume the DAT D3 is in question here and not WM-D3
analog deck) will accept 6 volts to 9 volts external battery supply input and
draws about half an ampere (about 540 Milliamperes when recording and a bit
less for playback) The deck will signal low battery and shut down when the
external voltage reaches a low of about 5.4 to 5.6 volts.
If you're not into building your own battery supply, I have several external
battery systems for this deck that will run on 6 C (BC) or D cells (BD) and
give 7-10 hours and 23-25 hours recording time. See these at: <A
HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com/batsys98.htm#battery tips"> </A> <A
HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com/batsys98.htm#battery tips"> </A>h<A
HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com/batsys98.htm">
ttp://www.sonicstudios.com/batsys98.htm</A>
Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard Lombardo
========================================
Sonic Studios(tm)..."Making Audio History With DSM(tm) Microphones"
"Sonic Studios Stealth Microphones(tm) . . . Since 1986: The First Choice
of Sound Recording Professionals"
Specializing in Patented HRTF Surround Stereo Microphone Technology for
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From: jeremy h <floydroios2@yahoo.com>
Subject: JIMI HENDRIX VCDS
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 06:28:50 -0800 (PST)
I am looking for Some Jimi Hendrix videos on cd i came
across them on some guys site emailed him about a
trade dosnt seem to be replying verry quick. If anyone
has any of these and wants to help me out or any other
videos on vhs even (I dont have any vidos so i dont
know how we would trade if youy come upwith a good way
to trade video to vhs im for it)I would really
apprecate it these are the videos im looking for
thanks.
Jeremy
db.etree.org/dietzj
CD Monterey 06-18-67 -- 2 CD - complete show
Stockholm 01-09-69 -- 1 CD - first show
Woodstock 08-18-69-- 1 CD - partial show
Rainbow Bridge -- 3 CD
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From: "Clay R. Caroselli" <claycar@stargate.net>
Subject: EXTRA DATS
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:02:50 -0500
Hey All:
With a few more evenings to kill, I have managed to convert a few more
DATS to CD's, and would like to find the tapes new homes. Available is:
1) Grateful Dead 3/17/95 ALL S>Cm>D
2) Grateful Dead 7/16/94 I DFOB- Schoeps MK41
3) Grateful Dead 10/15/94 ALL 90m DAUD
4) Grateful Dead 10/19/94 ALL 90m DAUD- Neumann Mics
5) Phil and Friends 8/8/98 ALL 90m DAUD
CD trades or blanks are welcome in return.
Thanks.
Clay
~Check out My DAT and CDR list~
http://users.sgi.net/~claycar/list.htm
From: acffh <morst@itis.com>
Subject: Klay is correct, thanks very much!
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:41:43 -0600
thanks for the professional help klay!!! I know how to hook the stuff up, but
I don't always know how to explain it. It is a lot easier to teach others if
you know the correct terms, so I must thank Klay for keepin it real out here
in DAT-Land.
he's quite right about how if those weird old NON_STANDARD boards are
inverting, and they do it with a transformer, then all we have is absolute
phase to worry about- I've checked with my ears- I don't think I can hear
absolute phase- anyone think they can??? (so since I can't hear it, I assume
that absolute phase makes no difference in unbalanced applications. . . anyone
got any logical problem with that?- now relative phase is another matter
entirely. . . that could be noticeable in a mix or something, but only when
combining signals- which doesn't happen often in direct-to-two-track recording)
again, thanks for the tech expertise, klay, the newbies need to know that the
folks who've been around will help them understand the troubleshooting
process, and keep the terms clear!
regards and respect to all!
-tom
(suuuuh-nip)
Why the confusion? No confusion if you know your differential terms, audio
and how to apply it all.
Also he offered:
> but the oddball boards reverse signal from pin 2 to pin 3- weird, huh?)
If indeed the board out is this way, it is OLD and WRONG. Also, if it old
and wrong, its output is probably transformer isolated so who cares?
(sssuuuuh-nip)
Now, let's start a *really useless* discussion of absolute phase and if you
can hear it and does absolute phase matter if it is unbalanced?
(snip again)
Truth! Now everyone click on this link and learn:
http://www.rane.com/note110.html
Then download, print and memorize this:
http://www.rane.com/pdf/note110.pdf
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From: leche@micron.net
Subject: G. Love & Special Sauce
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:11:38 -0700
I'm looking for other high quality recordings from these guys. I have
up for trade -
G. Love & Special Sauce 10/23/1999 Paris, La Cigale FM analog master to
dAT
G. Love & Special Sauce 11/4/1994 Boise, 6th & Main 8mm VIDEOmaster
+ many more DAThours to trade. Please reply to:
leche@micron.net
and I'll send you my complete lists....
Jay
From: r2d2@quik.com
Subject: ISO new ISA slot motherboard for my za2
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:22:09 -0800
hello computer gurus
I'm looking to upgrade my pc and keep my za2 card! I know it takes a ton
of computer mojo to do it but I think it must be possible. I'd like the
following features on a mother board, ISA slot (must have ) cpu
capacity of at least pentium 3 and the ability to take sdram rather than
the expensive rdram. Has anyone successfully upgraded a za2 system
from the pentium class machines ? or is everyone selling the cards on
dat heads or ebay ?
Input from successful zoltrix card users is also appreciated
Cheers
From: Andrew Nemeth <azn@nemeng.com>
Subject: Re: Wiring Terms; Pin Two, More
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:44:55 +1100
Klay Anderson <klay@klay.com> wrote:
>Pin 2 is positive phase. Period. Not "backwards" like England or "the
>other way" like Australia (apologies to the appropriate).
>
>Pin TWO is POSITIVE. Pin THREE is NEGATIVE. This is the worldwide standar=
d
>that virtually all countries have signed off on.
Klay is completely right here.
I am based in Australia and what confused the bejesus
out of me when I got back into audio and soldering my
own cables again is that the old Australian standard of
"PIN 3 =3D live" was... completely wrong!
I had a look through all my cables from my late 1980s
stage sound-guy days and yep, all of them are wired
with P3 as hot. However, as Klay rightly points out,
the international standard is P2 =3D hot.
Of course this is not a problem when running bal->bal,
but things get interesting when you go unbal->bal
or reverse.
This may muck up other Australian tapers - so watch
out if you ever inherit older cables or else cables
soldered by old hands!
Regds,
Andrew Nemeth
<http://4020.net> -> photos, 360=B0 panoramic vrs, sounds
<http://nemeng.com> -> vr java applets, leica faq, tech info
From: Warren Melnick <warren.melnick@astata.com>
Subject: RE: ISO new ISA slot motherboard for my za2
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:12:48 -0500
I have done exactly what you are looking to do. I have the ZA2 and the
Zoltrix card. I do not generlly use them at the same time, but I have both
working just fine on the ASUS P2B motherboards. Current configuration:
P3-450, 192MB RAM, IDE HDs, CDROM and burner, 3com network card, 3DFX Voodoo
3500 TV AGP video card (R.I.P. 3dfx). Be careful with DMA and IRQ problems
with the newer motherboards.
Now if I could just get the damned ZA2 Linux drivers to work right!!!!!
Anyone out there using Linux 2.4.x kernel with the ZA2 card? Maybe even the
2.2.x kernel? I would downgrade to get the ZA2 to work under Linux.
================
Warren Melnick
Director of Research and Development
Astata Corporation
=====Original Message=====
From: r2d2@quik.com [mailto:r2d2@quik.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 12:22 PM
To: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net
Subject: ISO new ISA slot motherboard for my za2
hello computer gurus
I'm looking to upgrade my pc and keep my za2 card! I know it takes a ton
of computer mojo to do it but I think it must be possible. I'd like the
following features on a mother board, ISA slot (must have ) cpu
capacity of at least pentium 3 and the ability to take sdram rather than
the expensive rdram. Has anyone successfully upgraded a za2 system
from the pentium class machines ? or is everyone selling the cards on
dat heads or ebay ?
Input from successful zoltrix card users is also appreciated
Cheers
From: Warren Melnick <warren.melnick@astata.com>
Subject: RE: Sony TCD-D3 power usage
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:21:22 -0500
Guy,
Thanks. It was while browsing your page that I decided to make my own
battery pack for the Creative Nomad Jukebox from NiMH "D" cells. Now that I
have seen how cool it was to do, I thought I would brave the D3 as well.
You might want to consider making a pack for the Jukebox as well. It is
selling like crazy and it will record 44.1k or 48k directly to its internal
6gig HD. I imagine it's only a matter of time before it catches on as a
recording device.
BTW: 23-25 hours on the BD? Damn. You using the MAHACell 8000mAh "D"
cells?
Thanks for the info!
================
Warren Melnick
Director of Research and Development
Astata Corporation
=====Original Message=====
From: GuySonic@aol.com [mailto:GuySonic@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:57 AM
To: DAT-heads@datheads.phish.net
Subject: Re: Sony TCD-D3 power usage
In a message dated 2/27/01 8:05:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,
DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net writes:
<< ------------------------------
From: Warren Melnick <warren.melnick@astata.com>
Subject: Sony TCD-D3 power usage?
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:11:09 -0500
Does anyone know how much power a Sony D3 uses? Also, any idea of what the
high and low end of the voltage it accepts is?
TIA,
W
------------------------------ >>
The TCD-D3 DAT deck (I assume the DAT D3 is in question here and not WM-D3
analog deck) will accept 6 volts to 9 volts external battery supply input
and
draws about half an ampere (about 540 Milliamperes when recording and a bit
less for playback) The deck will signal low battery and shut down when the
external voltage reaches a low of about 5.4 to 5.6 volts.
If you're not into building your own battery supply, I have several external
battery systems for this deck that will run on 6 C (BC) or D cells (BD) and
give 7-10 hours and 23-25 hours recording time. See these at: <A
HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com/batsys98.htm#battery tips"> </A> <A
HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com/batsys98.htm#battery tips"> </A>h<A
HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com/batsys98.htm">
ttp://www.sonicstudios.com/batsys98.htm</A>
Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard Lombardo
========================================
Sonic Studios(tm)..."Making Audio History With DSM(tm) Microphones"
"Sonic Studios Stealth Microphones(tm) . . . Since 1986: The First Choice
of Sound Recording Professionals"
Specializing in Patented HRTF Surround Stereo Microphone Technology for
Speech, Film, Music, Sound Design/EFX
TEL: 541-459-8839 /\ FAX: 541-459-8842 /\ USA Free: 1-888-875-4976
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Informative WEB SITE: http:// <A HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com">
WWW.SONICSTUDIOS.COM</A>
A better wish... "A bit of knowledge coupled to a great deal of wisdom"
From: Bill Hoy <bhoy@eaw.com>
Subject: Jeff Tweedy - 02/27/01 Somerville
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:54:46 -0500
Hello,
I have Jeff Tweedy solo acoustic 02/27/01 Lilli's, Somerville, MA for
trade.
Core Sound HEB's > Sony PCM-M1, front and center
DAT only now - perhaps someone can put to CD.
I'm looking for any Jay Farrar solo shows, Sebastopol demos that are
floating around,
any other Tweedy solo shows, Son Volt, Soul Asylum, Wilco, etc.
Let's trade!
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