DAT-heads Digest #802
Contents:
re: Beatles rooftop source question (james tierney)
RE: Documentation for the DTC-A6 (Stanley Willey)
iso of Trey 2-26-01 (Duncan Oldham)
Woodstock '69... (Henry Hart)
DA-302 / DDS incompatibility (acffh)
ISO: CREED Live Shows For Trade. ("Most High")
ISO: CREED Live Shows for Trade ("Most High")
extra DATs for trade (Hanno Bunjes)
ISO: Beck Wilshire Theatre 10/25/00 (hewitt@panix.com)
ISO: Portland 9/30/00 Neil Young/Beck (hewitt@panix.com)
ISO: Old Leftover Salmon or Left Handed String Band ("C Dub")
ANOTHER PLEASE TAPE: David Thomas Tour Dates in USA, Denmark & UK (da9ve stovall)
ISO:Hancock, Ely...and more ("Otten, William")
SEATTLE TAPER needed - March 16 Will Bernard & Motherbug ("Jon Weber")
AT822 - Speaker Vs. Headphone sound quality (Sean Madigan)
ISO: Nakamichi cm700 ("michael coats")
ISO: Neil Finn New Zealand Feb-Mar 2001 (David Danek)
cleaning question... ("chris rees")
Venue Security-Legal Help. (Wes Wagnon)
From: james tierney <grizzly@ne.mediaone.net>
Subject: re: Beatles rooftop source question
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:10:00 -0500
That show was seeded to the etree a while ago... already in heavy CDR
circulation, so I don't know if you want to save the time converting and
b&p'ing it now...
peace
james
From: Stanley Willey <stanw2@pacbell.net>
Subject: RE: Documentation for the DTC-A6
Reply-to: stanw2@pacbell.net
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 19:27:58 -0800
Greetings DAT-Heads,
I just recently came across a DTC-A6 with less than 200 hours on it. My only
problem now is that the deck didn't come with any documentation. I was
wondering if anyone out there own one of these decks. I would be glad to
offer up a B&P for a photocopy of the DTC-A6 manual. I only trade DAT.
Thanks heads,
Stan
http://stanleyewilley.tripod.com
From: Duncan Oldham <duncan@epix.net>
Subject: iso of Trey 2-26-01
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:56:04 -0500
Sorry to bother the list but some of the best people i,ve traded with
i,ve met from this list" Need to find a crispy Schoeps or Fat daddy
Neumanns of the 2-26-01 Cleveland Show"too offer i have a nice copy of
the Trey Syracuse show{the best show of the first 3}Schoeps hypers
eea>ad100.......please no grovels or "if you find it let me know" If you
got it and want to trade zap me dat or cdr..........thanks for the space
stay safe"""""duncan@epix.net
From: Henry Hart <hh31683@cp.appstate.edu>
Subject: Woodstock '69...
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:30:20 -0500 (EST)
Quisk ISO (sort of):
Is there, or, does there exist a complete compilation of all Woodstock
'69 performances in digital or ANY format?
thanks yall...
H!
From: acffh <morst@itis.com>
Subject: DA-302 / DDS incompatibility
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:42:08 -0600
I have been told by some of my tech advisors that the Tascam 302 really
freaks out on DDS tapes. if you compare the DDS tape's leader to that
of an audio-grade dat, you'll see a few stripes of magnetic material
interspersed with clear leader. This hangs the 302 (and probably other
tascam decks) because it can't tell leader from tape- it goes back and
forth, you hear what it's doing, and it's wearing the heads as it goes.
. . how to make it stop? I dunno, but I wouldn't use those tapes in
that deck, unless maybe you could record the first 10 seconds in a
differnt DAT machine, then put the tape into the 302 but never rewind it
all the way. If you don't have another deck, you could blow off
absolute time and just hand-wind the tape a little, but that's akin to
surgery, and ABS is rather handy.
best of luck, I wonder what other people have discovered as a
work-around for this??
-tom
PS- to eject, maybe shut the power off, then when you turn it on,
fast-forward before it has a chance to flip out??? sounds like a last
resort, but it would beat grinding the heads up.
-t
-=-==--=-==--==-==--=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--==-=-=-
I hope someone can help me on this one. I put a blank Sony DG60P into
my 302 (DAT1) to record a show and it seems to have locked up. The
display
reads 'TOP' and it sounds like the motor keep going back and forth on
deck 1. The problem is, it wont stop and it wont let me eject the
tape. Is this a bad tape, or is something wrong with the deck??
From: "Most High" <datfly@gate.net>
Subject: ISO: CREED Live Shows For Trade.
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:52:10 -0500
I have several CREED shows & I am looking to trade for
some more. I have several 97 / 98 shows as well as a
SUPERB 12-14-00 Orlando Master.
Thanks for the bandwidth. Michael
From: "Most High" <datfly@gate.net>
Subject: ISO: CREED Live Shows for Trade
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:55:50 -0500
I have several CREED shows & I am looking to trade for
some more. I have several 97 / 98 shows as well as a
SUPERB 12-14-00 Orlando Master.
Thanks for the bandwidth. Michael
From: Hanno Bunjes <hanno.bunjes@gmx.de>
Subject: extra DATs for trade
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 16:42:24 +0100
I have the following extra DAT SBDs for trade. I'd prefer to trade for
CDRs but I'll consider trading for rare pre-retirement Dead DATs. Would
also prefer to send them all to one person. Please send lists to
hanno@yurk.net if you're interested. All DATs were free of diginoise
when I transferred them to CDR during the past month.
thanks,
hanno.
Dead:
02/13/70b Fillmore East MR>PCM>DAT 1x Sony DG90P Serafin master
02/14/70b Fillmore East MR>PCM>DAT 1x Maxell HS-4/90 Serafin master
04/14/72 Copenhagen MR>C>DAT 2x Maxell HS-4/60
05/23/72 London MR>C>DAT 2x Maxell HS-4/60
09/17/72 Baltimore MR>C>DAT 2x Maxell HS-4/60
05/10/78 New Haven MR>DAT 1x Sony DG90P
David Bromberg
04/22/78 1x Maxell HS-4/60
04/23/78 1x Maxell HS-4/60
07/15/78, filler: 10/06/76 1x Maxell HS-4/90
07/13/70, filler: 08/09/72 1x Apple 90m
--
===========================
Hanno Bunjes hanno@yurk.net
http://www.yurk.net
===========================
From: hewitt@panix.com
Subject: ISO: Beck Wilshire Theatre 10/25/00
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:29:23 -0400
Anyone nail down night two of the Wilshire run last October?
Drop a line if so - much to trade.
From: hewitt@panix.com
Subject: ISO: Portland 9/30/00 Neil Young/Beck
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:30:42 -0400
Anyone tape? Drop a line if so. Much to trade.
From: "C Dub" <cdub420@webzone.net>
Subject: ISO: Old Leftover Salmon or Left Handed String Band
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:44:05 -0600
Just like the subject says.
I am ISO some old Salmon DATS that have not been put on to CD or are just
not being distributed. If you have any shows dating before 96 that should
be spread please get in touch with me.
Also if you have any left Handed String Band please get in touch.
I would like to seed a few trees with some old Salmon.
Many thanks,
CDUB
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From: da9ve stovall <da9ve@pcgeek.net>
Subject: ANOTHER PLEASE TAPE: David Thomas Tour Dates in USA, Denmark & UK
Date: 1 Mar 2001 08:44:11 -0800
Here's ANOTHER heads-up for a worthy taping venture: David Thomas (of Pere Ubu) and two pale boys are doing a very quick US/UK tour. Details below.
David Thomas himself has said that taping is (paraphrased) OK as long as you're discreet about it. He's not going to have anyone looking for tapers, but if you set up a big rig, the venue might object. So, stealth in comfort, knowing you're not offending the performer.
I'm hoping to catch the Chicago show (since I missed Ubu last time around), but (as I said in my plea for Robyn Hitchcock/Soft Boys reunion tour tapers), I've not exactly got the best-sounding mics, so it'd be way cool if someone else could nab that show, too.
cheers,
da9ve
Subject: David Thomas Tour Dates in USA, Denmark & UK
DAVID THOMAS AND TWO PALE BOYS
================================
David Thomas and two pale boys will make a quick cross-country tour in April promoting the release of SURF'S UP! before returning to the UK to tour with the full theatrical production of Mirror Man. The dates are:
Tuesday, April 17, Los Angeles, Knitting Factory
7021 Hollywood Blvd
Phone: 323-463 0204
URL: www.knittingfactory.com
Wednesday. April 18, San Francisco, Bottom of the Hill
1233 17th St
Phone: 510-601 0431
Friday, April 20, Chicago, Schubas
3159 N. Southport Av
Phone: 773-525 2508
Saturday, April 21, Cleveland, Beachland Ballroom
15711 Waterloo Rd
Phone: 216-383 1124
URL: www.beachlandballroom.com
Sunday, April 22, New York City, Knitting Factory
74 Leonard St
Phone: 212-219 3006
URL: www.knittingfactory.com
Details of the Surf's Up! release can be found at:
<http://www.projex.demon.co.uk/hearpen/surfsup.html>
DAVID THOMAS AND FOREIGNERS
============================
The band that recorded last year's BAY CITY album will be on tour in Denmark. The dates are:
Wednesday, March 21, Copenhagen, Loppen
Baadsmandsstrde 43, 1407 Copenhagen
Showtime: 2200
Box office: +45-32578422
URL: www.loppen.dk
Thursday, March 22, Odense, Rytmeposten
Rytmeposten stre Stationsvej 35, 5000 Odense C.
Showtime: 2100
Box office: +45-66136020
URL: www.rytmeposten.dk
Friday, March 23, Arhus, Ridehusets Venner
Spanien 18, 8000 Arhus C
Saturday, March 24, Alborg, 1000fryd
Kattesundet 10, 9000 Alborg
Showtime: 2100
Box office: +45-98137255
URL: www.1000fryd.dk
Details of the Bay City release can be found at:
<http://www.projex.demon.co.uk/bc.html>
MIRROR MAN
===========
The full theatrical production will be on tour with all new staging and a re-written 2nd Act. The dates are:
May 20 - Bracknell, South Hill Park Arts Centre
May 21 - Coventry, Warwick Arts Centre
May 23 - Manchester, Contact Theatre
May 24 - Stirling, Cowane Theatre, Le Weekend Festival
May 25 - Salisbury, Playhouse, Salisbury Festival
May 26 - London, Queen Elizabeth Hall
May 27 - Brighton, Gardner Arts Centre, Brighton Festival
For more details see:
<http://www.projex.demon.co.uk/synopsis.html>
--Pere Ubu Webmaster
Home of Ubu Projex: <http://www.projex.demon.co.uk/>
Calendar page: <http://www.projex.demon.co.uk/calendar.html>
Ubutique: <http://www.projex.demon.co.uk/ubutiq.html>
"We have always depended on the kindness of strangers..."
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From: "Otten, William" <William.Otten@LibertyMutual.com>
Subject: ISO:Hancock, Ely...and more
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:46:45 -0500
Looking for the following:
Butch Hancock 1/31 - 2/5/90 "No Two Alike" multiple cd set. (will take on
CDR or DAT)
Also looking for any Joe Ely, Flantlanders, or Lyle Lovett shows
Thanks
Bill
From: "Jon Weber" <timber@slip.net>
Subject: SEATTLE TAPER needed - March 16 Will Bernard & Motherbug
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:57:51 -0800
Looking for someone to tape the upcoming
Will Bernard & Motherbug Northwest tour, including
the March 16 (friday) gig in Seattle and March 17 in Portland.
I can get you on the list plus one... please contact me with
rig info if interested. Full northwest tour details are at
www.jambase.com
thanks.
jon
timber@slip.net
From: Sean Madigan <sm6325@brockport.edu>
Subject: AT822 - Speaker Vs. Headphone sound quality
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:10:04 -0500
Hello all,
I tapped the Yonder Mountain String Band a couple of days ago in a
small club. I used an AT822 stereo mic and an MD-SR60s- through the mic
input on low sensitivity.
Here's my question: When played through my stereo, it sounds fine.
However, when I listen through headphones (on the MD unit) it sounds
awesome- more lows and better instrument seperation! Why is this, does
it have to do with the XY placement of the capsules?
========================================
Sean Madigan
Email: sm6325@brockport.edu
"SUNY College at Brockport"
From: "michael coats" <mookiestink@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: ISO: Nakamichi cm700
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:43:23 -0600
Greetings All,
Im looking for a pair of Nakamichi CM700s, Modified for stealth or
unmodified, with a least cardioid capsules.
If you have a pair you're looking to unload, or know of someone who has such
you can connect me with, please contact me off-list with the following info:
1.The condition of the mics you'd like to sell, functionality, etc.
2.A list of all accessories included(original box, cables, capsules,
windscreens, etc.)
3.The asking price
To a lesser extent also interested in the CM300s if the price is right.
Also looking for a pair of the ck4 shotgun capules.
Please, only respond if you're willing to do the deal COD.
Thanx much for the help and the space
Michael in Mad City
From: David Danek <hobbes4444@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO: Neil Finn New Zealand Feb-Mar 2001
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:22:35 -0800 (PST)
Anyone out there have a line on any of Neil's
appearances this week and next in New Zealand? If so,
drop a line! I'd love to hear them!!
Thanks,
Dave
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From: "chris rees" <boilerman@provide.net>
Subject: cleaning question...
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:51:03 -0500
just picked up a sony dtc790 and noticed the machine's request for
'cleaning' every few hours..maybe 10hrs between cleanings? im curious to
what is causing it to demand a cleaning...an actual 'need' or is it some
sort of 'nag screen' programmed to go off after certain amount of usage?
can it be bypassed/ignored?
take care..
cr
From: Wes Wagnon <weswag@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Venue Security-Legal Help.
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 14:21:07 -0800
A lawyer (and occasional taper) responds:
Bill Tatina complains that the venue security demanded he turn over his
mics, then refused to return them to him after the show.
A concert venue is a private business. It can impose requirements upon
its paying guests, and commonly forbids them from taping. These
requirements are part of what a lawyer would view as a contract between the
venue and the guest, which would include the express terms of the ticket
(including fine print on the back), express terms of warning signs, and
perhaps unexpressed but "understood" terms regarding conduct of the guests
(such as reasonable behavior). As a private business, the venue cannot
enforce state or federal criminal law. They cannot impose a "fine" for
violation of their rules. The venue cannot take your property: while it
would not be unreasonable for the venue to demand temporary possession of
your taping equipment for the duration of the show (to prevent you from
taping, which is a violation of their rules and probably their contract
with the artists), they must return it to you at the conclusion of the
show, because it is your personal property. Their alternative remedy is to
eject you from the premises.
Great. So now what do you do?
First, write a letter to the venue, demanding return of your personal
property within a reasonable period of time (ten days sounds right to
me). Describe the property in sufficient detail. Describe the
circumstances under which the venue took possession, and promised to return
it to you. Be brief, succinct, and to the point. Describe the reasonable
value of the property (consider attaching some proof of its value) and
suggest that they pay you the value of the property in the event they are
unable to return the property to you, with payment to be made within the
period of time specified. Finally, explain that, should they fail to
comply, you intend to pursue your remedies in court. Write a nice, but
firm, letter that will look reasonable to a judge at a later time. You are
not trying to convince them, just make a clear demand.
Second, file suit against the venue in small claims court after your
demand time has expired. The relief you seek is monetary damages: the
value of your personal property that was taken and not returned.
Third, go to court. Bring as exhibits a copy of your demand letter and
some proof of the value of the property. Explain your case: the security
guard, who is the agent of the venue, demanded possession of your property,
and promised to return it. You have demanded return of the property, but
they have failed to return it. Ask that the court grant you judgement for
the value of your property. Explain the value, and provide the court with
whatever proof of its value that you have, both in written form and by
orally describing how you acquired it. Be brief and to the point. If
asked what you were doing, explain that you were making a recording for
your own personal use and enjoyment, just like some people take
photographs, and that you had a dispute with the venue over your right to
do so, but that you agreed to be cooperative with them and turn over some
of your equipment for the duration of the show. Your case is not about
whether you had a right to tape or not, but about the failure of the venue
to return your personal property. If you had checked a coat, or a camera,
and they failed to return it, you would be entitled to recover the value of
the property, and the same rule should apply here.
Hire a lawyer? Probably too expensive. Most lawyers wouldn't mess with
this case, as it would require too much time and the amount at stake is too
little, relative to what the legal fees would be. You could pay a lawyer
for his or her time to write a demand letter, and it might give you an
edge, but it will cost. My suggestion is to handle it on your own, as
outlined above.
Small claims court is for small disputes like this. They usually don't
permit lawyers to represent clients, and insist that all litigants
represent themselves to even things out. The judges handling small claims
don't require legal formalities by the litigants, but they insist that
people remain calm, explain their dispute, answer the judge's questions,
take their turns, don't interrupt, and behave themselves. Nolo Press
publishes a number of legal guides for non-lawyers, including a guide to
handling claims in small claims court. They have a web site. I recommend
them highly.
Next time? I think the best way to resolve these disputes at the time is
to agree to turn over the tape and, if they insist, leave the venue. If
they insist on taking possession of your gear, make sure you get a receipt
(ideally, one that describes the equipment) and having multiple witnesses
wouldn't hurt. But I would avoid turning over taping gear if at all
possible: you might not get it back, or you might get it back damaged. I
wouldn't be afraid to insist that they call the local police. You can
explain to them that you have a dispute with the concert venue, and that
you are willing to leave but now they won't let you. The police cannot
enforce the venue's private rules, but they can intercede to prevent the
venue from restraining you, and might even be helpful in preventing the
venue from trying to retain possession of your rig.
The laws (criminal and civil) that could potentially apply to this overall
situation are going to vary from state to state, and my comments are just
suggestions based upon generally applicable law. The New York statute that
was recently posted here would apply only within that state, but I would
recommend that any NY taper carry a copy of it when engaging in conduct to
which it might apply, as it might assist in the "negotiations" with
security. I would be surprised to find similar statutes in other states,
just because nobody has bothered to try and get such laws passed.
Sorry about the long post, but this appears to be an area of continuing
interest on this list and I thought I'd offer what help I could.
GOOD LUCK!
--wes wagnon
Oakland, CA
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