DAT-heads Digest #818
Contents:
Building battery for Apogee AD500 (LIIlIIllll@aol.com)
Wet vs. Dry (mattz62@juno.com)
Re: DAT-heads Digest #817 ("Lane Kelly")
Dead 10-10-94 USAir Arena - Landover, MD (mike lyons)
ISO: Aussie DAT Heads that recorded The Cure October 2000. (J Simmons)
Van Halen @ Cow Palace ("david gatewood")
ISO: Sony PCM- R500 ("Darrin McKeehen")
Amazing show (Toby Germano)
M-1 newbie-ish prob (maki futo)
[newbie question] 60m vs 90m for taping (rob@allstarupgrades.com)
ISO ABB One for Woody source (Alan Saferstein)
ISO Good SCSI Hard Drive for Audio Apps (Alan Saferstein)
Trades (Drew)
the "forest"...tree#5 up,signups for #6 ("George S.")
NYC DAT-Heads (Random Gnome Generator)
ISO: Adrian Legg (Adam Aronson)
RATDOG Patch in New Orleans (Deadtour@cs.com)
ISO: European Tool Tapers > Get Ready! ("Tatina, Bill")
SXSW Robert Randolph tonight @ Antoine's (LiveAir995@aol.com)
Mac burning software? (Bill)
Extra DATS ("Clay R. Caroselli")
From: LIIlIIllll@aol.com
Subject: Building battery for Apogee AD500
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:31:37 EST
right now im connecting my newely acquired Apogee AD500 to my 12v battery
(whihc also supports my DAp1 and Sonosax SXM2). Ive done extrnsive wiring for
teh dap1 and such but my main question is DO I NEED TO GROUND IT? theres only
+ and - wires comming out of it.. no third grounding wire.. Anyoen out there
had this same dilema ??
drop me an email
Dave
LiiLiiLLLL@aol.com
From: mattz62@juno.com
Subject: Wet vs. Dry
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:35:25 -0500
Ok, I know the story of wet vs. dry head cleaners for DATs. Found this,
which is interesting.
http://www.americanrecorder.com/Appfiles/Catalog.taf?_function=detail&Pro
ducts_uid1=DAT%2D101&_UserReference=77FA6A5C5CD1B7FEBE5B43B2
It's a cassette type _WET_ cleaner. Anyone use one before? Is this
thing abrasive like a Sony cleaning tape, etc.? Just looking to see if
it's worthy of using in place of a dry cleaner, any info is welcome,
thanks in advance.
Matt Pfeil
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From: "Lane Kelly" <lkelly@infi.net>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #817
Reply-to: lkelly@infi.net
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:52:30 -0500
As an alternative to deleting music (especially large chunks between beats,
because I'd rather have a flawed complete tape than one that's been
hacked up), how about this:
It's pretty easy to recognize a clipped section - you will see the waveform
hit the top "ceiling" and then flatten out before coming back down. If you
could imagine the situation without that ceiling, you would likely see a
waveform rounded off in some way. It may go way up to a sharp peak, or it
may be rounded off more smoothly.
Soundforge has a "clipped peak restoration" tool which could be helpful
here. It will lower the section where clipping occurs (to provide more
"headroom"), and then round off the waveform. There's a lot of
approximation done here, but I would consider that a better alternative than
just wiping it out with silence or cutting the section out altogether.
A "pencil" tool can produce similar results, but the operation is more
manual. The pencil tool is also good for clicks that have been introduced
by a bad extraction sample - you'll see a huge spike where the laser has
read a bogus value. Many times those can be quite obvious, and are easily
fixed by approximating the original waveform and eliminating the spike.
Anyone have something more technical to add to this? How do high-end
software editing programs handle this?
> From: "Owen O'Neill" <oweno@home.com>
> Subject: Re: elminating pops and clicks
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:33:19 -0800
>
> I use CoolEdit but it works just like SoundForge. Dropping the volume all
> the way on that spot has always been noticeable in my experience. Two
> other techniques sometimes work for me. 1) zoom in on the pop or click
> and delete that section. If it's small enough (short in duration) this can
> sometimes be done wiht no noticeable dropout in the sound . Sometimes I
> use the zero crossings function to ensure that no pop or click occurs from
> the transition between the two newly joined sections. I always try it
> without that furst because using zero crossings enlarges the section
> removed by a bit 2) if it's only on one channel try deleteing the bad
> section on one channel and then pasting in the exact same sectio from the
> other chanel. Youl now have dual channel mon and will notice a change i
> sound as spatiality collapses but if it's a short section this can be a
> useful technique. In extreme circumstances I've even dleted a longer
> sectiojn by using the "find next beat" function and joining two sections
> in which the beat is similar. It's extreme but better than having an
> unlistenable piece of music.
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lkelly@infi.net
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From: mike lyons <mikethedj@yahoo.com>
Subject: Dead 10-10-94 USAir Arena - Landover, MD
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:38:25 -0800 (PST)
Hey folks looking to trade for the above show ,
email me if you have it,
Mike
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From: J Simmons <shoresoforion@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO: Aussie DAT Heads that recorded The Cure October 2000.
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:54:00 -0800 (PST)
Please contact me for trades.
Thanks...
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From: "david gatewood" <daveg_8@hotmail.com>
Subject: Van Halen @ Cow Palace
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:19:54
Hey Datheads, I have a 3rd gen cassette of Van Halen from the Cow Palace
sometime from 1984. I was going to transfer it to cd for a friend (not to
be sent out for public trading due to quality) and was wondering if anyone
had the proper date for that. Also if anyone has a better copy or has
transferred it to either cd or DAT, I would love a trade. Mine sounds like
a Sony 909>D6 kinda tape. Not too bad, but would like better. It is an
excellent show, with the band in top form, close to 2 hours. Anyone with
any info, please email me...Dave
BWT: B&P Leftover Salmon @ Barrymore Theatre, Madison WI 11-12-00 MBHO
603-200's>MP2>AD2K+>D8 for 2 unideckers
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From: "Darrin McKeehen" <dmckeehen@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO: Sony PCM- R500
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:39:24
Hey Now!
I have decided to go FURTHUR in dept and get an R500.
I am looking for the best possible price for a *NEW* deck.
Used R500's are kinda rare. Guess that's because when the owner's get them,
they hang onto them.
Of course, I will consider a really nice used R500, but none of that EBAY
crap.
No, I will not consider a Panasonic or Tascam, so don't bother.
Mark Nutter? Klay? Gary? Anybody?
I am in Jacksonville, FL. So if no one wants to beat the OADE'S price, I
will remain loyal to them.
Thanx!!
Darrin
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From: TGermano@webtv.net (Toby Germano)
Subject: Amazing show
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:45:11 -0800 (PST)
Did anyone happen to catch Richard Thompson in Petaluma last night? He
was spectacular, and opening act was great too. Does anyone know her
name?
Thanks,
Toby
Toby Germano
tkz@davidbowie.com
http://community.webtv.net/TGermano/GERMANOWARFARE
From: maki futo <futomaki65@yahoo.com>
Subject: M-1 newbie-ish prob
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:54:11 -0800 (PST)
I have a new M1 and a Delta Dio 2448 soundcard in
Windows 95. I'm using an older version of Dio's
driver software, as the newest model wouldn't install
in my system.
The soundcard will accept an optical input from my
home deck (Sony DTC-790, which has no coax output),
but coaxial input from the M1 is fraught with noise.
My question: Could you recommend an affordable
soundcard that you M1 owners are happy with, and/or
otherwise tell me what the problem is?
Thanks in advance,
Futo
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From: rob@allstarupgrades.com
Subject: [newbie question] 60m vs 90m for taping
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:00:48 -0500
> My question is... If you=92re pretty sure the concert will go past 120min=
do
> you use 90m tapes or do you use 2x60m tapes? What's preferred?
There's a lot of folks who simply will not put a 60m tape in their deck,=
and I'm sure you've had replies from quite a few of them. This topic=
comes up all the time and it's been hotly debated over the years.=
Personally I have no problem with 90m tapes, I've been using them for=
going on 4 years now. When it comes to taping, once you miss it it's gone=
forever (unless of course someone else was taping as well and DID use a=
90m). When I first started taping shows ("jambands") I would generally=
use 2x60m, 1 for each set. There have been a few times when I've used a=
single 90m due to lack of blanks at the time (I don't recommend this for=
jambands). Even with 2x60m there's always a chance the band will decide=
to play longer than what you planned for. At a certain moe. show in 98=
the 2nd set ran about 2.25 hours, needless to say the majority of tapers=
missed part of it. Ever since that day I vowed to use 2x90m when taping=
moe. :) In my opinion 2x90m is the way to go for most bands who have been=
known to play long because it gives you a safety net, though really the=
90m is only necessary for the 2nd set. Once you get home you can clone to=
60m's. The occasional 90m is not going to kill your deck, it's been=
proven time and time again with massive amounts of empirical evidence.=
Clone your show to 60m when you get home, then listen to the clone to=
ensure it is a perfect copy (and always watch your error counter on the=
play deck when cloning!). Once you're certain you have a good clone of=
the master you can discard the 90m or archive it if you wish.
Summary: If the bands you are taping play a single set then I'd most=
definitely use a 90m. If they play 2 sets you should be fine with 2x60m=
unless they decide to get crazy that night. For jambands I think the best=
policy is 1x60m + 1x90m.
Good luck, and have FUN!
Rob
From: Alan Saferstein <gruvenon@netzero.net>
Subject: ISO ABB One for Woody source
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:14:31 -0500
I have ABB One For Woody. It's a very nice recording listed as
CMC641>A/D 2000>PCM-M1>HHB. Obviously this setups needs a
pre-amp/phantom (not to mention that the PCM-M1>HHB part is
irrelevant). Does anyone know what it was?
Thanks,
Alan
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From: Alan Saferstein <gruvenon@netzero.net>
Subject: ISO Good SCSI Hard Drive for Audio Apps
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:15:16 -0500
I just put a Seagate/SGI DDS drive in my computer. Of course I had to
get a SCSI card for it. I went ahead and got an Adaptec 39160. I
figured for a couple of extra bucks why not get the bitchin' card. The
DDS deck takes one channel, now I want to put fast, yet reasonably
priced, SCSI drive on the other channel. Anyone have any
recommendations? 20-30 Gb should suffice.
Thanks,
Alan
PS I bought Eduard Ungemach's vdat software to go with the DDS drive and
it works like a charm. I use Win98 SR2.
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From: Drew <drewc.atc@verizon.net>
Subject: Trades
Reply-To: drewc.atc@verizon.net
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:57:09 -0500
I am open for some DAT trades. Please email me if you are interested.
Drew
http://www.geocities.com/drewcatc/index.html
From: "George S." <fearless-pigeon@nac.net>
Subject: the "forest"...tree#5 up,signups for #6
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:23:26 -0500
hi everyone,
the structure for tree #5 is posted here...
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1345511&a=10014028&p=43840804 . next
up is montreal 7/31/99 . this is another "charged' show for roger as the
band seemed to step it up from the night before. a pretty nice recording to
add to the collection too. once again drop us a line with 7/31/99 branch or
leaf as the subject and your e-mail addy in the mail.
and yes the signup ends in ten days. enjoy!
shine on
george s.
From: Random Gnome Generator <clhoo@rocketmail.com>
Subject: NYC DAT-Heads
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:55:29 -0800 (PST)
I'll be in NYC from March 21 through April 5th, and then again
on and off through the middle of June. I'm bringing my taping
gear with me, so can anybody recommend some good shows during
that time? I like most pretty much all musical genres with the
notable exceptions of jazz and classical, but tend toward folk/
country/alt-country/acoustic/rock/... I'm going to try to catch
Fred Eaglesmith at the Makor next Thursday (March 22) if tickets
are still available, but I'm open to other suggestions, and
would love to hook up with other DAT-Heads if possible. Thanks!
Cindy in Mesa, AZ
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From: Adam Aronson <adam@aronson.net>
Subject: ISO: Adrian Legg
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:06:19 -0500
The currently outgoing email challenged Jim Kerr is looking for Adrian Legg
shows. If you have any to trade please contact him at his email address at
datmusik@bigfoot.com.
His most excellent trading list is also available at:
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/datmusik/roio.htm
Thanks,
Adam Aronson (proxy)
From: Deadtour@cs.com
Subject: RATDOG Patch in New Orleans
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:27:16 EST
Hello,
I am a taper heading to NOLA on a business trip and will be catching Ratdog
at the House of Blues. I will not be able to fly with my full rig. I am
looking in advance for a kind digi patch from a reliable rig. Please let me
know if anyone is taping the dog, down in the big easy.
Peace,
Chris
From: "Tatina, Bill" <Bill.Tatina@nordstrom.com>
Subject: ISO: European Tool Tapers > Get Ready!
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:43:07 -0700
http://www.toolband.com/tour/index.html
From: LiveAir995@aol.com
Subject: SXSW Robert Randolph tonight @ Antoine's
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:44:27 EST
Yes, it's yet another SXSW taping grovel - I am in NYC, but our local idol
Robert Randolph is at Antoine's in Austin TX tonight for SXSW.
If anyone out there can PLEASE tape this phenomenon, 'twould be met with
eternal gratitude and a full catalog of RR's NYC performances on DAT or CDr.
E-mail me off-list if you happen to get this one - and FWIW, he is very board
friendly...
dave nolan
From: Bill <cds@bilner.com>
Subject: Mac burning software?
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:57:07 -0800
Is there a consensus on what's the best Mac software for burning
CDRs? I've ben using Toast 3.5.7 which works OK for 1:1 copies, but
is not that elegant for anything more complicated. Before upgrading
to the latest version of Toast (Deluxe 4.1?) assuming that it's more
user-friendly, I thought I'd ask around. I've been frustrated with
3.5.7's making you manually remove the :02 blank space that it
automatically adds to a track list every time you make a new session.
Also, 3.5.7 doesn't acknowledge MP3s or MP3s that have been converted
to WAVs in SoundJam MP 2.51. Lastly, can anyone explain to me what
the new Apple iTunes software is for compared to Toast?
Please respond directly to cds@bilner.com
Thanks,
Bill
From: "Clay R. Caroselli" <claycar@stargate.net>
Subject: Extra DATS
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:31:21 -0500
Hey All:
I have been trying to consolidate my DAT list, and now have a few shows
I would like to find new homes for:
1) G Dead Seattle 5/26/95 ALL 90m DFOB
2) G dead Philadelphia 3/17/95 ALL 90m S>Cm>D
3) G Dead RFK Stadium 7/17/94 ALL 90m DFOB- Neumann
4) G Dead Madison Square Garden 10/15/94 90m All Neumann
5) G Dead Madison Square Garden 10/19/94 90m ALL Neumann
CD trades definitely welcome as DAT trades
Thanks,
Clay
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