DAT-heads Digest #832
Contents:
Jeff Beck/Roseland 3/22 needed (John Fink Jr)
ISO U2 dats 2001 (scott zumsteg)
re:Zoltrix Nightangale warning (matt shudtz)
re: zoltrix nightengale (Nick Georges)
Re: Matrix ?s (SBD + DAT) (GgergM@aol.com)
ISO Sonny Landreth (phil saltonstall)
LOS video ("david gatewood")
LP Mode (Linus P Sweers)
Dat's for sale.. (Mark Kabella)
Dat's for sale.. (Mark Kabella)
Re: DAT "LP" mode ("Gary Davis")
more on "LP" ("Gary Davis")
Gear FS ("Joe Galbraith")
Looking For Cherry Poppin' Daddies or Voodoo Daddies (or something like that).... for a co-worker... ("LostSailor")
Which legal Pearl Jams are the best? (Beast914@aol.com)
DAT > CD, Nightingale Sampling ("Tom Baylor")
ISO: DATPort ("Eric Bogart")
Iso: taper in Hollywood, Ca. ("Alf")
HHB 850 for sale (Mike Parker)
DAT LP mode vs DV 12-bit mode (OT?) (Peter.Snowdon@cec.eu.int)
ian moore taping policy (Bobby Gervais)
pro burners: Tascam CDR2000 vs. HHb CDR830 ("Andrew Fritz")
A few Xtras for trade... ("Brian - Network Administrator")
ISO: Mogwai (Gary)
From: John Fink Jr <fink@TCNJ.EDU>
Subject: Jeff Beck/Roseland 3/22 needed
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:22:01 -0500
Hi!
If anyone has this show and would like to trade, please email me.
Plenty to trade!
Be Well,
John
From: scott zumsteg <szumsteg@pacbell.net>
Subject: ISO U2 dats 2001
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:25:59 -0800
topic says it all, looking for U2 elevation tour dats
i did miami 3-24 with sony m1/OKMIIr mics from sec 118, r 15, some
screamers first couple songs, but welcome to u2 taping this tour
will do more along the way
looking for upcoming shows from dallas, houston ,denver
scott zumsteg
http://www.staticwhitesound.com/szumsteg/jtpre.htm
From: matt shudtz <pms55@columbia.edu>
Subject: re:Zoltrix Nightangale warning
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:27:55 -0500 (EST)
in response to Pat's warning....
i was the person in question who bought the used card from pat. like he
said, when i first installed the card i had some pretty serious pop/click
problems running D8 > coax mod > Nightingale. HOWEVER, once i installed
the capacitor and resistor as detailed at http://www.hoxnet.com/zoltrix,
that problem completely disappeared. the modification is really easy,
even a novice can solder together the few components with a little time
and patience. also, i was able to get all of the parts from radio shack
online and an old computer i had lying around. so, for anyone looking for
a cheap (<$50 total) and effective way of going DAT>PC, the nightingale is
definately the way to go. feel free to contact me if you have any
questions, but the link above is pretty self-explanitory. take it easy.
~matt
From: Nick Georges <nick@nickspicks.com>
Subject: re: zoltrix nightengale
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:31:12 -0800
fyi...
there is a new zoltrix card out. the "pro 6" or something. It has a
coax and toslink daughter card and all the other features as before.
Improved playback and 5.1 surround support.
you can find info at zoltrix.com > products.
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From: GgergM@aol.com
Subject: Re: Matrix ?s (SBD + DAT)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:03:11 EST
acffh <morst@itis.com> wrote some advice about making matrix recordings which was good except for one small change. He was inaccurate about the speed of sound. The speed of sound at sea level and at room temperature is about 1,130 feet per second, not 720 feet per second. This results in sound traveling about a foot a millisecond (actually 11.3 inches per millisecond, but a foot per millisecond is close enough for use in a bar!). Besides making it easy to set the delay like acffh recommends in a matrix recording, in particular situations you can use this to your advantage. One time I recorded a band where the guitarist used multiple amps/speakers to get his tone. I put a cardioid mic right by the speaker that had his "clean" tone, and mounted a shotgun 15-20 feet away that picked up his whole array. I also panned the two mics slightly differently into my recording board. This way, when he wailed on his guitar, adding the distortion and effects, the combination of the 1!
5-20 millisecond delay and the d
ifferent pan points made his guitar sound really big on the tape, which is also how it sounded live to my ears.
One other handy thing about the speed of sound is that you can easily determine the length of a sound wave using the 1,130 figure. To determine wavelength, take 1,130 and divide it by the frequency. In other words, a 40 hertz note is 28.25 feet long (1,130 divided by 40 equals 28.25). This formula also works backwards. To determine the frequency, divide 1,130 by the distance in feet. You can then determine that a six foot long wave is 188.33 hertz. Ever wonder why even good car stereos can sound so thick in the upper bass/lower midrange? Now you know. A car naturally has anti-null points at around 150-200 hertz, accentuating those frequencies.
- Gregg Mitchell
=====================
> Now, about the delay- if you can place your mics
> on the stage, that will cut down the delay time
> almost to nothing. If you're mic'ing from the
> middle of the house, it would be desirable to
> delay the SBD feed with the best quality delay
> unit you can use, (speed of sound at sea level
> is about 720 feet / second, use that as a guide
> to figure the millisecond delay- 1000ms=720 feet)
> You can measure the distance from the mics to the
> sound source (the main speaker stacks, probably)
> and figure 1000/720 ms/foot to get the timing for
> the delay (examples- 72 feet away from the stacks
> delay would be 100ms. At 36feet away, you're
> looking at 50ms) It's gonna be close to that
> for most applications, I guess high-altitude
> recording would be different!
From: phil saltonstall <phsalt@pacbell.net>
Subject: ISO Sonny Landreth
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:02:13 -0700
I'm trying to locate some
sonny landreth material
for a friend who is severely addicted.
Never seen him listed in anyone's collection
so I'm not sure what's out there.
Any help much appreciated.
Discs or dats, lots to trade.
Thanks,
Phil
From: "david gatewood" <daveg_8@hotmail.com>
Subject: LOS video
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:54:34
Regarding some posts about Leftovers taping policy. First, all audio is
allowed whether by the board or front of board (as long as not in Steve's
way) and SBD's are also given out. Video is only allowed at the bands
discretion, and usually only to Dave, the guy who runs 3 decks. He told me
he's not even supposed to pass those around unless the band has given
specific dates that can be. Festival's can be different in that there are
so many people, they may choose not to stop anyone from doing it. Anyhoo
that's the scoop!!!
Wayne H, I was in St. Louis for the show also, I must have walked past you a
dozen times, I was the AUD taper behind Chris and Randy.....Dave
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From: Linus P Sweers <lpsweers@juno.com>
Subject: LP Mode
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:39:09 -0600
Hi there. I have made several DAT tapes in 32 kHz mode from 44.1 kHz
sources for digital broadcasts. My resampling technique used
interpolation and decimation of the digital signal. Is the quality of the
32 kHz signal that bad for others on this list? I listen to music samples
on DSS systems and HDTV and now I start to wonder. I have always thought
the signal was transmitted at 32 kHz to save bandwidth and processing
time. Personally I prefer 48 kHz and 44.1 kHz. Other than digital
broadcasts my use of 32 kHz has been limited to talking subjects, some FM
broadcasts, and archiving dictation. All of you have some very good
points. I like the information given on this mailing list.
Thanks
LPS
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From: Mark Kabella <kabellam@yahoo.com>
Subject: Dat's for sale..
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:45:48 -0800 (PST)
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From: Mark Kabella <kabellam@yahoo.com>
Subject: Dat's for sale..
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:47:23 -0800 (PST)
Opps...
Still have a couple sets of dats for sale...
Zero,
Allman brothers
DMB
plus a couple decks...
you can check them out at: http://www.baydat.org/dat-fs.html
Thanks,
-Mark
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From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: Re: DAT "LP" mode
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:16:18 -0800
I fully understand the mechanics of it, but "how does it sound?"
I think it sounds fine.
Perhaps SP sounds 1%-5% better, but, with the *type* of
recordings we are doing, I'm not sure SP would sound better at all.
For one thing, mic'ing sound from a PA speaker that might be 60-
500 feet away is hardly an "audiophile" technique regardless of how
expensive your mics are!
Another issue: soundboard recordings are frequently full of hum,
buzzes, etc, and are typically miced with SM57's (no response
above 15KHz) - and what you get from the PA speakers is only
what's coming out of the soundboard, only worse!
There are many, many things we can do to optimize our
recordings, but switching to "SP" is low on the list - IMHO.
--Gary
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: more on "LP"
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:17:06 -0800
One more thing... I'm not saying you *should* record at LP.
I'm just saying that if you do, it probably won't make an audible
difference.
--G
From: "Joe Galbraith" <slipknot1@home.com>
Subject: Gear FS
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:34:52 -0500
1 pair Earthworks SR77 mics, seq. serial #'s 1519-1520, like new. $750.00
1 pair Audio Magic XStream mic cables, 15 ft, used twice, like new $125.00
Deneke PS2 dual channel 48v power supply, perfect for driving the Earthworks
mics. $120.00
I may also have a Lunatec V2 with dc power cable available as well.....
Inquire off list to slipknot1@home.com for more details
From: "LostSailor" <windead@dreamcom.net>
Subject: Looking For Cherry Poppin' Daddies or Voodoo Daddies (or something like that).... for a co-worker...
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:51:58 -0500
The title says all I know of these two swing bands .... if anybody has a
copy of one of the two aforementioned band's shows, I would be most grateful
for a B&P or trade. I have a list which is _mostly_ available (I had a fire
and will need to look and see if your pick made it through) at
http://web.dreamcom.net/~windead.
I would appreciate anything anyone can do in regard to this request.
There's a giuy at work who's in his 60s and frequently helps with my
shipping issues, so I figured I would hook the guy up.
Peace,
Tom
From: Beast914@aol.com
Subject: Which legal Pearl Jams are the best?
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:54:00 EST
Which of the legal Pearl Jam concert recordings are the best? I like the
band and want to buy a few but only a hand full. Thanks in advance.
D
From: "Tom Baylor" <tbaylor@netins.net>
Subject: DAT > CD, Nightingale Sampling
Reply-To: "Tom Baylor" <tbaylor@netins.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:34:16 -0600
Hi
I've been following this thread with much interest, as I'm an PCM100 owner
with some DATs to transfer and want to make an exact (or as close as I can
get) copy of my tapes so I get it right. I'm also one with a SBLive
soundcard and am interested in the Nightingale card.
I've printed and read the Nightingale owner manual from site location
previously posted by another (thanks!).
What I still don't understand is:
What's the difference between a sampling card and a non-sampling card? What
is sampling, anyway? Why is sampling frowned upon in the dathead trade
community?
Other questions:
How do I make an exact copy of a tape? Is there a no-brains method -or- do
I have to mess with card and Cool Edit Pro recording levels and get as close
as possible to the original, even if I were to have a Nightingale? Will a
transfer to another dat deck be an exact copy? Seems to me that recording
levels on the second deck are going to be impossible to make an exact match
possible...is this correct?
Nightingale cards seem to me to require an optical input. I have a 7 pin
cable out of the PCM100, does the optical cable hook to the 7 pin cable and
then go into the Nightingale?
Sorry to ask so many questions, I'm a newbie and trying to figure this stuff
out. Any help is most appreciated.
Thanks!
T
From: "Eric Bogart" <TheBogarts@fuse.net>
Subject: ISO: DATPort
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:07:55 -0500
Hi there...
I recently bought a soundcard that is less than ideal for digital in... so
I'm looking for one of these fine pieces. Anybody have one to offer? Along
with my money, you'll get the first copy of my Perfect Circle tape from last
night ;P
Thanks.
Eric Bogart
From: "Alf" <md2001@mclink.it>
Subject: Iso: taper in Hollywood, Ca.
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:05:37 +0200
Yesterday I taped a concert of a great and unknown (to me) guitarist,
MIROSLAV TADIC
checking on the web I found this date:
April 8: Miroslav Tadic and DJ Fisher P at the Knitting Factory, Hollywood,
California
My advice is : GO AND TAPE IT!! (and later contact me privately)
here other infos about him, so if you are into nylon string guitar it worth
price of ticket for sure
=========================
In their January 1997 issue, the editors of GUITAR PLAYER magazine voted
Miroslav Tadic one of the world's thirty most radical and individual
guitarists.
Tadic completed his formal education in the United States after studying in
Italy and his native Yugoslavia. He has performed and recorded in a wide
variety of settings and musical styles, ranging from music of the Baroque
and Classical periods to blues, jazz, and rock. Tadic's performing and
recording credits include projects with Terry Riley, the Los Angeles Opera
with Placido Domingo, Howard Levy, Joachim Kühn, L. Shankar, Markus
Stockhausen, Maria João, David Torn and Jack Bruce, among others. He is
frequently heard in Europe, Japan and the United States. In 1986 Miroslav
met drummer Mark Nauseef and the master of sound sculpting and recording
Walter Quintus. Their collaboration has resulted in a great number of
recordings and projects, which continue today and into the future.
In recent years Tadic has concentrated on developing an approach to
improvisation which combines and juxtaposes musical material drawn from many
diverse sources, including Baroque, European classical and North Indian
classical music, Eastern European folk traditions, blues, jazz, and rock. He
is noted for his pioneering work in applying the elements of classical and
flamenco techniques to the electric guitar.
Miroslav's numerous recordings on ENJA Records, CMP Records, M.A Recordings
and Omagatoki (Japan) labels have won international critical acclaim. He has
written music for a number of award-winning experimental film, theater, and
dance works. Since 1985 he has been teaching at California Institute of the
Arts in Los Angeles.
From: Mike Parker <parker@aracnet.com>
Subject: HHB 850 for sale
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:20:41 -0800
I have an HHB 850 CD Recorder for sale, in perfect condition. It`s about 1
year old. Nice machine, need to sell due to financial situation. Hasn`t had
much use. i`d like to get $800 for it. Includes remote, manual & original
packaging. I`ll pay for shipping.
thanks,
Mike Parker
From: Peter.Snowdon@cec.eu.int
Subject: DAT LP mode vs DV 12-bit mode (OT?)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:01:46 +0200
len:
thanks for posting greg's description of what actually goes on in LP mode.
do you or anyone else know how that relates to the ways in which digital
camcorders handle audio signals when you switch then into 12 bit mode from
16-bit PCM? i'm guessing that they may have chosen similar solutions, but
that's just a guess.
TIA:
peter
From: Bobby Gervais <ritchfan@airmail.net>
Subject: ian moore taping policy
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 03:11:09 -0600
Below is a message posted to ian moore's website regarding taping, and
Ian's answer!
Message: Ian. I am a live tape collector. I
have live shows of Phish more then
any band and I like listning to shows I have
seen before. I was wondering If you
allowed taping at your shows? I am seeing you
tonight at Fitzwilly's. My friends
will be there too and I can't wait.
Reply: i do allow taping..I think that this show may
be a little rough, but you're welcome to tape it if you want to.
>
From: "Andrew Fritz" <dupree@onvoymail.com>
Subject: pro burners: Tascam CDR2000 vs. HHb CDR830
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:21:41 -0600
I'm looking for some advice on which of these is burners to buy. I will be
using it only for Dat > CD transfers.
Tascam CDR 2000 $899
HHb CDR830 BurnIT $695
Any advice on which is better for the money? And, is anybody familiar with
the HHb's digital input level control? Is that an option defeatable for
cloning?
Thanks in advance,
Andy
From: "Brian - Network Administrator" <brian@hypowerinc.com>
Subject: A few Xtras for trade...
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:16:35 -0500
Got a few extras for trade (All on Maxell HS-4 60s/90s)
Jazz Mandolin Project - 9.21.96 - SBD+Mackie 1202VLS->DA30 MKII 1x60
Day by the River - 10.22.97 - SBD+Mackie 1202VLS->DA30 MKII 1x90
moe. - 7.16.98 - SBD 2x60
Shoot your list/links on over and preference goes to someone who wants them
all...
B(c)
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"I like fashion - and Porsches - and Rolexes - all that stuff!
How nice of the morons and drones to wear uniforms, so one can avoid
them..."
~ Spider Robinson
From: Gary <gary@blandest.demon.co.uk>
Subject: ISO: Mogwai
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:30:12 +0100 (BST)
Looking for Mogwai, both recent and old. Prefer DAT recordings, but will
accept CDR if that's all. I will be taping their London UK show.
Cheers,
Gary
BAD TRADERS: abortme@aol.com (Tim Clarkin)
token_eastern@hotmail.com (Juan/Jois Lus/Luis)
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