DAT-heads Digest #836
Contents:
ISO tapers ticket for either/both P&F sunrise 4/13&14 ("Thomas Reizes")
Re: DAT-heads Digest #832 (DHami44862@aol.com)
RE: Zoltrix Shortage (Stuart Gerber)
Re: SPDIF to Analog converter? ("Owen O'Neill")
re: LP and dynamic range (DHami44862@aol.com)
Mac hardware and software (Neal Copperman)
U2 info for tapers (Delano)
ISO : WFUV radio tapers (mike lyons)
Boston area taper (Jay Lyons)
Zoltrix nightingale pro 6 -- Where to buy (Brian)
ISO: Project Object from new years!!! (jimmy sellers)
FT: Phil Constitution Hall floor seat for taper ticket (Tom and Meg Scholl)
Re: Zoltrix nightingale pro 6 -- Where to buy ("L. Sean Kennedy")
A great taping opportunity. (Mike Swize)
FWD: Piedmont Jazz Festival April 4th-8th, 2001 (Solomon Baker)
ISO: ABB beacon 23-mar (John R. Vanderpool)
Re: SPDIF to Analog converter? (Len Moskowitz)
Re: AUDIOPHILE 2496 card info (Len Moskowitz)
Re: DA-P1 SCMS Help (Len Moskowitz)
ISO nick cave 3/01 (TRANEHEAD@aol.com)
7 pin>female mini? (Robert O'Haire)
From: "Thomas Reizes" <treizes1@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: ISO tapers ticket for either/both P&F sunrise 4/13&14
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:00:45 -0500
Just got my airline tix, have seats, but no way to bring my deck in...
anyone have an extra tapers for either or both of these shows?
Thanks, Peace, tr
From: DHami44862@aol.com
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #832
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:24:36 EST
In a message dated 3/28/01 1:09:03 PM, DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net
writes:
<< Another issue: soundboard recordings are frequently full of hum,
buzzes, etc, and are typically miced with SM57's (no response
above 15KHz) - and what you get from the PA speakers is only
what's coming out of the soundboard, only worse! >>
This is true, but what about stage volume, the crash of a hi-hat can create
upper harmonic's that range well above what even the most expensive recording
equipment can detect, and in a small room, there will also exist frequency's
well over 15Khz. The truth about "SP vs LP" is you ARE sacrificing recording
quality, fine for speech, but when archiving, I mean on location in a club OR
arena it is ALWAYS best to capture audio at the best possible resolution.
Then there is the quantization issue......
David
From: Stuart Gerber <stuart@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Zoltrix Shortage
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:27:48 -0500
In response to this thread I have a card of the same chipset .. CMI8738
The company website for the chip itself (And their own drivers) it at
www.cmedia.com.tw
AudioExcel sells a similar model to the zoltrix and according to C-Media
whatever models they use have the daughter board with all hookups (spdif
i/o w/ coax and toslink) my model doesnt have that module .. it came with
it but only has the toslink and i built my own input a yr or so ago for the
older model (cmi8338) which i still have in the closet but it only supports
44.1 and last i tried didnt do so good on coax out (no toslink on here) The
audioExcel board is call the MDMate .. Now from what i see on cmedia now is
the DeltaDiO uses the same CMI chipset for the spdif so that is a reliable
card as well.
stuart g
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From: "Owen O'Neill" <oweno@home.com>
Subject: Re: SPDIF to Analog converter?
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:31:10 -0800
A company called Audio Alchemy made a nice line of small, inexpensive D to A
convertors until
they went belly up about two years ago. These should be widely available on
the used audio gear
market from reputable dealers. They were widely used by many people wishing
for better conversion from
their CD and laserdisc players. Basic model was the DAC-man and there were
several more expensive
models including DAC-in-a-Box. IIRC the retail on these two units was about
$100 and $150. Not sure if
they had SPDIF inputs or just Toslink but I suspect at least one of them had
SPDIF. Midiman also had
a 20 bit model called "Flying Cow" that was widely discounted on clearance
last summer when their 24 bit model
was released. Should be able to find one for $130-150. Hope this helps.
From: DHami44862@aol.com
Subject: re: LP and dynamic range
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:36:40 EST
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In a message dated 3/29/01 6:07:12 AM, DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net
writes:
<< Using LP mode does NOT affect the dynamic range. This is
because the bits are used in a non-linear fashion. The trade-off is
somewhat higher distortion, but it's still much lower (at least in
terms of published THD - .09% at LP vs. .008% at SP) then many
other devices in the recording chain, especially mics.
>>
This is true, although it does effect frequence responce.
David
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From: Neal Copperman <neal@swcp.com>
Subject: Mac hardware and software
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:26:28 -0700
I'm fairy new to the digital editing world, and had posted some
questions and had a number of off-line discussions with people here
in the last few months. I just thought I'd post the results of my
playing, in case it's of value to anyone.
First, I ordered the Midiman Delta Dio 2496 card from Core Sounds. I
was happy with the service from Core Sounds (and the mics I ordered
from them), as well as the ease of returning the Dio when I was
unhappy with it. I am running a dual 450 MHz G4 with OS 9, and I was
never able to get the Dio to work properly. When everything was
lined up ok, it worked fine. But it would not clock to the input
signal. When the input happened to match the internal clock, it was
fine. When it didn't, I got crap.
Midiman was somewhat responsive at first, but after the phone and
e-mail contradicted each other, they stopped responding to my
questions. There were a few things I never tried to fix the problem
(turning off Virtual Memory, putting the card i other slots), but the
support people didn't really imply they might be the source of the
problem. Just standard problem solving techniques (move everything
around, try all new cables). So I just sent it back.
I the ordered the RME Digi96 sound card from SFB Electronics in the
Netherlands. Good pre-sales communications from them, though the
shipping rules made me nervous. $75 for tracked and insured, $16 for
crossing your fingers and hoping it arrived. Which it did, in a
somewhat battered but still intact box that they left on my doorstep
without a signature <sigh>. The card costs $255, and has a pair of
digital inputs and outputs (SPDIF and coax).
First try, the card didn't work at all. But in the troubleshooting
section of the documentation, it said Slot 2 on a G4 (next to video
card) wouldn't work, and naturally, that's where I'd been putting my
cards. (Hmmm, wonder if that was part of the Dio's problem.) Ah
well, at least here the problem was well documented. Once I moved it
to another slot, it worked like a charm.
It automatically recognizes the clock on the internal signal. For
the Dio, you had to manually set the control panel to exernal clock
and pick the speed (which, for me, never worked). Here, when an
external clock is present, it automatically recognizes and synchs to
it. Worked like a charm right off the bat.
For software, I found a cute little progra called Felt Sound Studio.
I haven't seen it mentioned here, but from what I've seen, it's the
easiest to use, cheap 2-track editor for the Mac out there. It's a
$35 shareware program, and you get a 14-day full feature version to
sample. (That's 14 days of use, not 14 contiguous days, which is an
even nicer arrangement.) It provides all the basic filters. I've
only been using amplify and attenuate. The display isn't quite as
nice as some of the other things I looked at, but the fact that it
trivially cuts and pastes makes editing a snap. You can be up and
running with this without any help in about 5 minutes. It will
record in the background, and the latest version has a file size cap
of 2G. (One of my original problems was that I wanted to record a
DAT while I was at work, but if you couldn't cap the filesize, it
would fill up Gigs of silence and take everything down.) It's
available from http://www.felttip.com
Anyway, I like playing with it, and wanted to share this info with
any other frustrated Mac users. Thanks to the folks who helped me
struggle along with the more complicated and non-functioning products.
neal
From: Delano <bluesky@mindspring.com>
Subject: U2 info for tapers
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 03:39:19 -0500
I just returned from U2's Charlotte show and IT WAS SO EASY to sneak stuff
in and tape. I wished later that I had taken a video camera after I saw
their amazing stage design. There is a big "U" that encircles the audience
closest the stage (which Bono runs around). U2 was fantastic. Go get 'em
tapers.
Take Care,
Delano
http://www.mindspring.com/~bluesky/index.htm
From: mike lyons <mikethedj@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO : WFUV radio tapers
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 04:08:34 -0800 (PST)
Hey folks - is there anyone out there who listens to &
tapes the concerts on radio station WFUV, from Fordam
Univ, in NYC, NY? I'm specically looking for the Los
Super Seven & also the Joe Jackson concert broadcasts.
Much to trade,
Mike
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From: Jay Lyons <jayl@southeast.net>
Subject: Boston area taper
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:03:33 -0500
Hi,
I was hoping to get in contact with a dat taper in the Boston area.
Gaelic Roots Festival at Boston College the week of June 17-23. At the end
of this seminar they have a Saturday night Masters Concert where all the
teachers play. If you're into Celtic/IRTRAD this is a must see. If a Boston
area taper is interested would you p[ls contact me?
From: Brian <blbst25+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Zoltrix nightingale pro 6 -- Where to buy
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:43:25 -0500
Hey kiddies,
I've been talking to the people at zoltrix and here is what they have to
say:
March 30, 2001.
Dear Mac,
Thanks for your email.
We appreciate that you are interested to buy the Nightingale Pro 6 sound
card (model#
8SB-87386CH-G-MX+)
, you will be required to pay the product price US$19.70 plus the freight
costs US$36.45 by FedEx or US$19.90 by EMS (express service of post office).
Your payment can be paid by Telegraphic Transfer or by sending us a bank
draft. Please confirm by return.
Please feel free to contact us if you have any question.
Best Regards,
Kevin Wong
I'm going to get their address and send off for one. I just thought the
rest of you might be interested. I'll post the address when I get it.
Ciao,
Mac
PS
Any Pittsburgh tapers here? Any of you going to see Left over Salmon
tonight?
From: jimmy sellers <pjimmy@delanet.com>
Subject: ISO: Project Object from new years!!!
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:21:21 -0500
please if you have this, get it out there. this is my once-in-a-while ISO
post for this show. i must hear them doing joe's garage, since i wasn't
able to be there.
thanx for the space,
jimmy
dat list: http://www.delanet.com/~pjimmy/datlist.html
cd&shn list: http://www.delanet.com/~pjimmy/cdlist.html
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From: Tom and Meg Scholl <shakedwn@cavtel.net>
Subject: FT: Phil Constitution Hall floor seat for taper ticket
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:34:24 -0500
Subject says it all. I've got one ticket on the floor to trade for one
in the taper section. Any help would be appreciated.
Peace,
Tom
From: "L. Sean Kennedy" <liam@fedney.tech.xo.com>
Subject: Re: Zoltrix nightingale pro 6 -- Where to buy
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:01:17 -0500
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 08:43:25AM -0500, Brian wrote:
>
>I've been talking to the people at zoltrix and here is what they have to
>say:
For what its worth, I dropped a note to a vendor who used
to carry the Nightingale to see if they would be willing
to stock the Pro 6 titanium given a decent level of demand
on DAT-heads.
Sean
From: Mike Swize <mswize@psusd.k12.ca.us>
Subject: A great taping opportunity.
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:58:33 -0800
Hey there,
I just got word of this festival in the Long Beach California area. Any
tapers planning to attend? Tickets go on sale today. Enjoy.
The First Annual FUNKYARD Music Fest is the Los Angeles area's first
outdoor festival event which
embraces the musical styles of Jazz, Funk, Rock, Latin, Blues and
Improvisation all together at one, day long, 10 hour event.
Featuring artists such as Steve Kimock, Vinyl, Robert Walter's 20th
Congress, Merl Saunders,
Particle, Greyhounds & More - FUNKYARD promises to be a musically
delightful smorgasbord of talent, fun and dancing.
The FUNKYARDwill take place at "The Green on the Hill" which is a 4-acre
outdoor venue located in
Signal Hill/LongBeach, CA. The venue is one of the newest outdoor
locations in Southern California and on clear nights you can see the
skyline of downtown Los Angeles. The hill is 2 miles from the Pacific
Ocean, making the weather pleasant, cool & breezy,even on the hottest
day. Seating is general admission to allow free-flow of people as well
as dancing and lounging on blankets throughout the day.
From: Solomon Baker <solbaker@earthlink.net>
Subject: FWD: Piedmont Jazz Festival April 4th-8th, 2001
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:04:39 -0500 (EST)
======Original Message======
From: Solomon Baker <solbaker@earthlink.net>
To: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net
Sent: March 29, 2001 5:19:35 PM GMT
Subject: Piedmont Jazz Festival April 4th-8th, 2001
This post is to anyone attending the Piedmont Jazz
Festival in the Piedmont section of North Carolina
on April 4th to April 8th, 2001. I am very much
interested in acquiring Rachelle Ferrell's performance
on April 7, 2001. Contact me at solbaker@earthlink.net.
Information on the Piedmont Jazz Festival can be obtained
at the following URL:
http://www.piedmontjazzfest.com
Peace,
King Solomon
From: fish@daacdev1.gsfc.nasa.gov (John R. Vanderpool)
Subject: ISO: ABB beacon 23-mar
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:24:55 -0500 (EST)
what a great show! could use a DAT clone from a good rig.... thanx, fish
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From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Re: SPDIF to Analog converter?
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:39:03 -0500 (EST)
<Beast914@aol.com> wrote:
There's the M-Audio Super DAC 2496 and the Midiman Flying Calf D/A. The
latter is especially reasonably priced. See http://www.midiman.com and
http://www.m-audio.com for details.
Please contact us for pricing.
Len Moskowitz Binaural and StealthMics (tm), Cables, Interfaces
Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey http://www.core-sound.com
moskowit@core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Re: AUDIOPHILE 2496 card info
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:49:07 -0500 (EST)
"Degrado, Rob" <Rob.Degrado@voicestream.com> wrote:
> I picked this card up at a local Guitar Center for $149.00 (MSRP $229.00)
> last week and have been using it to transfer DAT to PC with no problems so
> far. The Win98 SE driver was fast, easy and pain free to install. Its made
> by MidiMan (Delta) and resamples on the fly, SPDIF, RCA connections,
> supports drivers for WINx, NT, MAC and Linux. The specs can be found at:
> http://www.midiman.net/m-audio/html/products/audiophile.htm
> and was hoping anyone can point out if/any flaws with it as I can still
> return it if its substandard for my needs.
The Audiophile 2496 does not resample on-the-fly.
It's a reliable, good sounding and versatile card.
Len Moskowitz Binaural and StealthMics (tm), Cables, Interfaces
Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey http://www.core-sound.com
moskowit@core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Re: DA-P1 SCMS Help
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:51:27 -0500 (EST)
Matt Pfeil <mattz62@juno.com> wrote:
> I'm running a DA-P1 into a Sony consumer deck (DTC-ZE700). For the first
> time ever I tried to copy a friend's dat and the dtc-ze700 flashed
> "Prohibit"...I'm presuming this is a SCMS issue. My question --> as I
> know the DA-P1 is SCMS defeatable, how do I turn it off on my deck? I've
> never had this issue before, but then again I don't clone my friend's
> tapes too often either. Thanks in advance for the help.
Turn the setup around (i.e., record on the DA-P1) and that should solve
your problem.
Len Moskowitz Binaural and StealthMics (tm), Cables, Interfaces
Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey http://www.core-sound.com
moskowit@core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
From: TRANEHEAD@aol.com
Subject: ISO nick cave 3/01
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:03:23 EST
anyone tape the wiltern or other sets??
lots to trade,
GG
From: Robert O'Haire <plummer@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: 7 pin>female mini?
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:39:04 -0500
This may sound absurd or perverse...
but is there such a devise that will allow me to go 7 pin>female
mini...or female coax>female mini
The mic/line in jack on my D3 is loose and I'm wondering what my
options are besides getting it repaired....any suggestions?
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