DAT-heads Digest #850
Contents:
rare nanci griffith up for grabs (Boxcephus@aol.com)
Quick Trades Anyone? ("LAO")
8 tracks........ ("michael")
Re: M-1 / RMD-3K Compatability (GuySonic@aol.com)
ISO: Ben Harper Sydney 11-April-01 & Neil Finn April-01 shows ("Michael Hanson")
Re: A/D converter......HELP is on the way (super SBM-1 :) (E T)
ticket for tape - psychedelic furs 4-12-01 fillmore ("j manniello")
FS: B&K 4006 on eBay (Rich Mays)
FT: 2 4.20 SCI for 1 4.21 SCI + face (Michael Walter Connors)
RE: DAT to CD (via computer) Question (Thomas Wulf)
re: sdmp2 and shure..... (Cjyellow@aol.com)
Looking for Zefiro Inbox power supply ("winnie")
DA-P1 problem, for a friend ("Ray Quinlan")
ISO: GD 3/30/90 ("tfoster")
Python DAT > computer DAT2WAV question.. (Louie Rendek)
FA (Ebay): DA-P1 + Oade External Battery + Sonicase ("Kevin Hatton")
XTRA DATS FOR BnP (bensphishing@cs.com)
Ratdog 4-6-01 ("Mark Paterick")
Bose QuietComfort Noise-Canceling Headphones (Thomas Plum)
Re: Python DAT > computer DAT2WAV question.. ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.")
RE: DAT to CD (via computer) Question ("Degrado, Rob")
Re: Easy CD help, please ("mark wilkins")
From: Boxcephus@aol.com
Subject: rare nanci griffith up for grabs
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:09:12 EDT
I have ONE extra dat up for quick trade, which contains two early and rare
Nanci Griffith performances, bot of superb quality:
1/ London 1988 FM 60'
2/ KPFK FM, LA 12/27/83 in-studio talk and tunes! 60'
Both are great sets that highlight Nanci early in her career.
Send a list if interested.
Thanks, Lance
From: "LAO" <lao@mindspring.com>
Subject: Quick Trades Anyone?
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:18:16 -0400
Hi
I'm looking for some quick CD-R trades
Mostly looking to trade HQ DDD CD-R
with other tapers for the same bands I offer..
but I'm open to anything
DAT>CD-R DDD only please no bootlegs
AEROSMITH
2 CDS 09/04/94 LAKEWOOD AMPHITHEATRE - ATLANTA, GA DAT 9.5
Audio-Technica 813 B
ALLMAN BROTHERS
2 CDS 5/7/00 MUISC MIDTOWN -ATLANTA, GA 9 DAT AKG(i have the
source somewhere)
GRATEFUL DEAD
2 CDS 07/07/69 PIEDMONT PARK - ATLANTA, GA 10 SBD master vault
cass>DAT>CD-R
RUSH------------I'm NOT looking for ANY bootlegs...please only known
sources/gen
2 CDS 2/24/94 THE OMNI - ATLANTA, GA 9.5 DAT Audio-Technica 813 B
THE WHO
2 CDS 7/9/80 THE OMNI - ATLANTA, GA 9 Analog master>DAT>CD-R
Nakamichi Mic>sony analog deck
please send your list or URL if you want to trade
sorry no DAT trading...my decks are down
thanks
Allen
lao@mindspring.com
From: "michael" <popskull@pipeline.com>
Subject: 8 tracks........
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:17:28 -0400
I have quite a few Panisonic 8 track players and boom boxes ......besides
the imfamous Dyno-mite player, I do have a nice portable with mic/line
inputs and adjustable record levels
I have found a few live FM recordings in my thrift shop 8 track quests, but
no concert recordings
I would think the main reason 8 track cartridge recording was not popular
amoung concert tapers of the 70's was the size of the 8track recorders vs
cassette machines of the time. If I was going to smuggle in boom box size
gear, it would be a nak 550!
There is also the issue of 22.5 minute max between the track changes. To
this day, when I hear certian Hendrix material that I recorded from album to
8 track, I can still hear that "CLICK" ripping in the middle of the song,
even though Im listening to a cd!
For nostalgia purposes though, 8 tracks rule!
cheers!
michael
From: GuySonic@aol.com
Subject: Re: M-1 / RMD-3K Compatability
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:35:14 EDT
In a message dated 4/11/01 8:07:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net writes:
<< ----------------------------
From: DHami44862@aol.com
Subject: M-1 / RMD-3K Compatability
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:05:58 EDT
Does anyone know the compatibility issues with these 2 machines?? Does the
Sony M-1 And RMD-3K even work together??? I've just had an M-1 in my
possession and it seem's louder in volume when it's loading the tape up and
engaging it to the head then the D-7 that I own. I'm looking at purchasing
an M-1, there smaller and more stealth worthy, but have no experience with
them compared to D-7.
Any suggestions??
------------------------------ >>
RM-D3K works fine only with ONLY digital input to the M1, output
specifications are different and this interface will not work reliably for
digital output (just what you really needed it for likely). The RM-D100K is
the new interface for D100/M1 Decks and is backward compatible with earlier
Sony models.
M1 lasts much longer than D8 models due to a new transport that sounds and
acts identical to the venerable DENON DTR-80P Casio made DAT deck which had
very long lasting heads and a very slow loading/noisy sounding transport that
virtually never failed to load tapes properly.
7 page deck Review of the D100/M1 DATs at: <A
HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com/d100rev.htm">
http://www.sonicstudios.com/d100rev.htm</A>
Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard Lombardo
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A better wish... "A bit of knowledge coupled to a great deal of wisdom"
From: "Michael Hanson" <mike@mikeandali.net>
Subject: ISO: Ben Harper Sydney 11-April-01 & Neil Finn April-01 shows
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:06:50 -0700
Subject says it all. Eddie Vedder joined Ben on stage for "Indifference" on
11-Apr. Neil Finn was joined by Vedder and others during his sets as well.
Have a diverse list of 200+ shows to trade.
---
Michael Hanson
<mike@mikeandali.net>
From: E T <tour_soundguy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: A/D converter......HELP is on the way (super SBM-1 :)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:14:37 -0700 (PDT)
PWKOMANECKY wondered:
>
>Wondering if anyone could tell me something about an
>available "upgrade/modification" for the sbm-1?
>I'm pretty sure I saw a post here a few days back
>mentioning an upgrade to the actual a/d conversion
>itself, not the line input, preamp or I/O cable,
>all of which I am aware of.
Paul, looks like you may be in luck...get in touch
with Doug Oade (http://www.oade.com/), as he has
been developing just the mod you may be looking for!
Some of us have been field testing prototypes, and the
results have been very, very encouraging, to say the
least... :)
Doug will be happy to fill you in the technical details,
but his mod basically involves upgrading the SBM-1 to a
*24-bit A/D* 24-bit digital filter & other goodies...the
16-bit output no longer has SBM noise shaping, but TPDF
dither instead, which actually works very well in high SPL
situations, such as audience mic'ing of PA systems...
Let's just say that in most areas, you may be surprised at
sonic results competitive with the Apogee AD1000/AD500e and
the AD2K, at a fraction of their cost, size and complexity.
:)
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From: "j manniello" <j_manniello@hotmail.com>
Subject: ticket for tape - psychedelic furs 4-12-01 fillmore
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:44:42 -0700
if anyone wants to go tape the psychedelic furs 4-12-01 (thur.) at the
fillmore and can make me a nice DAT, i will supply ticket and blank DAT for
you. you can call me at work :
415-865-7206. as long as you have good equipment and are willing to do this
the ticket is yours. i work at the s.f. civic center. i'm not feeling well
and would rather not be out late at the show...thanks
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From: Rich Mays <richmays@home.com>
Subject: FS: B&K 4006 on eBay
Reply-To: richmays@home.com
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:29:38 +0000
B&K 4006 mics are on eBay at <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1228953675&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=987447061&indexURL=0&rd=1>
Yes, these are omnis, which are the best choice
for smoothness and have an almost limitless bottom
end (linear down to 20Hz and beyond!) They can be
used at a 90-degree angle with 8-12 inches between
capsules, as all microphones are directional in
the upper frequencies. Of course, they can also be
spaced on-axis in the traditional omni A-B method
Included are both near and diffuse field grids and
stand adapters. These are the P48 phantom version.
I won't reveal the reserve, but you will save a
CONSIDERABLE amount of money compared to other
options. Only used for location classical, and are
in superb condition. Please note that this is a
pair of mics. Email privately with questions.
From: Michael Walter Connors <mwconnor@indiana.edu>
Subject: FT: 2 4.20 SCI for 1 4.21 SCI + face
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:26:33 -0500 (EST)
Sorry for the lack of dat related content. I am really trying to get one
chicago SCI ticket and face for two 4.20 SCI St. Louis tickets. Thanks
Mike Connors
mwconnor@indiana.edu
From: Thomas Wulf <TaWulf@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: DAT to CD (via computer) Question
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 02:56:56 -0400
<I think you may have failed to grasp =
<the concept of using CDWAV and CDRWIN. =
you are wrong. =
i have actually recommended using cdwav!
and you have even quoted this!!
am i missing something or you???
but i also recommend urgently to create a *decent* backup.
decent means better than audio and that means of course also better than
pure audio trades!!..
but the way of the world is fast fun and quick and dirty work. who cares
about the bits that may fall over the years, unnoticed and unrecoverable.=
[set genral rant=3Doff]
:):):)
From: Cjyellow@aol.com
Subject: re: sdmp2 and shure.....
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 03:08:48 EDT
thanks to marc for clarifying my original post. the shure pre IS a re-badged
mixpre, NOT an mp2, my apoligies:)
steve
From: "winnie" <who@sover.net>
Subject: Looking for Zefiro Inbox power supply
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 1980 05:03:11 -0500
I'm tired of having to switch 9v batteries in my Zefiro Inbox during
intermission as they dont last during long shows, so I use two per show.
I'm looking for suggestions of where to go to purchase a high capacity
rechargable battery that can plug into the power jack on the Zefiro.
Thanks,
Winnie
From: "Ray Quinlan" <noray@advinc.com>
Subject: DA-P1 problem, for a friend
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:25:40 -0400
A friend who cannot post at this time asked me to post this problem for him.
He puts in a tape, which the machine recognizes as evidenced by the time
code, presses play - the transport seems to move properly - but there are no
subsequent levels or playback. This happens with all tapes. Any thoughts
on what the problem might be, or on possible solutions, would be greatly
appreciated. Please address responses to: ephish@yahoo.com Thanks much.
Bandwidth tax: I'm going to the Disco Biscuits tonight in Northampton, MA.
Barring some unforseen problem, I will be taping the show. First response I
receive timed AFTER midnight can B&P at noray@advinc.com Thanks.
From: "tfoster" <tfoster@netcarrier.com>
Subject: ISO: GD 3/30/90
Date: 12 Apr 2001 13:48:48 -0000
Hey all,
Looking for a board copy of the Grateful Dead 3/30/90 show at Nassau Coliseum, to complete my collection of that particular run. Either trade or B&P would be appreciated. My list is at:
http://home.netcarrier.com/~tfoster/tapelisttf.html
Thanks,
Tom Foster
From: Louie Rendek <ljr7@po.cwru.edu>
Subject: Python DAT > computer DAT2WAV question..
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:18:03 -0400
hello gang,
since this seems to be a popular topic these days, i thought i would get in
here with my question too. i have the SGI/Seagate Python audio capable DAT
in a computer and use the DAT2WAV software. the error that i get once in
awhile occurs when the the software seems to keep reading all the way to
the end of the DAT (for a 90m, it runs to 3:06:00). when it does this, the
software gives an ASPI audio read error and the .wav file that is saved to
the drive is unusable. it doesn't seem to depend on sample rate (i have
had it work for DATs that were either 48k or 44k). i have not tried this
on any 60m tapes (don't have that many DATs around with shows on them, only
90m tapes). the only clue that i have as to the problem is that the only
time i get a .wav file that is usable is when the software stops reading at
2:55 or earlier (i.e. not going to the end of the tape).
any clues?
thanks,
louie rendek
seekup.cwru.edu
From: "Kevin Hatton" <kevin_hatton@hotmail.com>
Subject: FA (Ebay): DA-P1 + Oade External Battery + Sonicase
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:24:32 -0400
Howdy all,
Subject says it all...no money left...must have rent money
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1422681402
KEV
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From: bensphishing@cs.com
Subject: XTRA DATS FOR BnP
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:54:50 -0400
Here they are...looking to get 6 sony DGP60s in return. I'd like to get rid of the whole lot at one time...
Grateful Dead 2/18/71 New York Betty Board 1x90m
Grateful Dead 9/28/72 New jersey Set II Betty Board 1x60m
Trey Anastasio 2/23/01 New York neuman u89i>AD1000>DA-P1 2x60m
WSP 4/16/89 w/ Phish 3/22/93 Gamehenge Filler SBD 1x90m
WSP 4/27/92 DSBD 1x60m
EMAIL ME IF INTERESTED
BENSPHISHING@CS.COM
PEACE AND PANIC...
BEN
From: "Mark Paterick" <msp081465@chartertn.net>
Subject: Ratdog 4-6-01
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:00:46 -0700
I have a few extra copies of this show for trade it is on 2 CDR's if anyone
is interested.
Mark
From: Thomas Plum <tplum@popmail.colum.edu>
Subject: Bose QuietComfort Noise-Canceling Headphones
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:39:24 -0500
Anyone using these headphones at shows or while field recording?
http://www.cnet.com/electronics/0-3219397-8-2761817-4.html?tag=st.ce.3219397-8-2761817-1.txt.3219397-8-2761817-4
Also, is $99.99 a good price for Sony MDR-7506 headphones and how big
a hit will they take on my M1's batteries?
Thanks,
--
Thomas
From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Re: Python DAT > computer DAT2WAV question..
Reply-To: <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:24:16 -0500 (CDT)
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Louie Rendek wrote:
> hello gang,
>
> since this seems to be a popular topic these days, i thought i would get in
> here with my question too. i have the SGI/Seagate Python audio capable DAT
> in a computer and use the DAT2WAV software. the error that i get once in
> awhile occurs when the the software seems to keep reading all the way to
> the end of the DAT (for a 90m, it runs to 3:06:00). when it does this, the
> software gives an ASPI audio read error and the .wav file that is saved to
> the drive is unusable. it doesn't seem to depend on sample rate (i have
> had it work for DATs that were either 48k or 44k). i have not tried this
> on any 60m tapes (don't have that many DATs around with shows on them, only
> 90m tapes). the only clue that i have as to the problem is that the only
> time i get a .wav file that is usable is when the software stops reading at
> 2:55 or earlier (i.e. not going to the end of the tape).
>
> any clues?
>
> thanks,
Here's a guess. 3:06 = 3.11 hours -> 3.11 * 48000 * 4 * 3600 =
2,149,632,000. 2,147,483,647 is the maximum value a signed integer can
have on a 32 bit system. I'm guessing that somewhere in the driver,
filesystem, or wave specification, this limit is being hit.
--
Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.
SIUE School of Engineering, Dept. of Computer Science
wayne@hoxnet.com
http://www.hoxnet.com
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From: "Degrado, Rob" <Rob.Degrado@voicestream.com>
Subject: RE: DAT to CD (via computer) Question
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:47:12 -0700
<< I find it more efficient to keep the whole .wav intact, using CDWAV to
set
<< track breaks and create a CDRWIN cue sheet, then burn the disc with
CDRWIN.
"sorry, but this doesn't sound like good advice to me.
if you don't want to create backup data discs (why?!?!?!)
or mp3 and never want to trade the music, well ok."
==============================
Huh??? CDWAV's got nothing to do with data files and everything to do with
efficiency! I used to copy/paste to new tracks with Soundforge and it was
sooo tedious and time consuming. I never did figure out how to eliminate
those slight (random) pops between tracks and gave up when I discovered
CDWAV from the etree-org.com site, as they approve/endorse using it.
I still use Soundforge to record DAT>PC but can slice & dics tracks of
complete shows with less effort and time with this effective tool. The
author
only asks for a $10.00 donation and IMHO it's worth it's weight in gold!
BTW Tax:
(a stellar recording of)
TOAD THE WET SPROCKET
06/06/97 Hollywood, CA - John Anson Ford Amp 1x60 AKG480>SBM-1>M1
DAT only
From: "mark wilkins" <wilkinsmd@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Easy CD help, please
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:28:18
>From: MadManMead@aol.com
>Subject: Re: Easy CD help, please
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:21:49 EDT
>
>Rick Gebhard:
>
> >Just wondering if anyone out there can tell me why my >Sony CRX140E,
>using Easy CD, will burn TAO at 8x and >only 2x DAO.
>
> >Any help is appreicated.
>
>Without knowing anything about your particular drive model, I'd say
>probably because Easy CD Creator is screwy with audio. That program is
>best used for burning data discs only.
>
>For audio, I would recommend burning with Feurio (www.feurio.com).
>
>If the problem persists, I would recommend upgrading your drive's firmware
>(www.firmware.fr.st). If this doesn't solve the problem, e-mail me and
>I'll assist you the best I can.
>
>Also, be sure to listen to the audio discs you're burning at 8x. Some
>funny things sometimes happen at speeds that fast.
>
>-David
While it's never a bad idea to listen to discs you've
just burned (assuming you have the time), the concern
that "some funny things" happen with discs burned at
higher speeds is unfounded. As long as you are within
the rated speed of the media there is no evidence to
support problems with discs just because they were
burned at a higher rate.
There's a good article here:
"The Speed of Sound: How Safe is High-Speed CD-Audio Recording?"
http://www.emedialive.com/EM2000/starrett5.html
Mark
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