DAT-heads Digest #858
Contents:
FYI: Red Rocks Seating Fun ("Tatina, Bill")
Ben Harper Fans Rejoice ("Tatina, Bill")
No International Shipments (AUDIO CAPABLE COMPUTER DAT FOR SALE $245) ("Richard Hempsall")
Re: OT: audio for video cameras questions (Len Moskowitz)
Re: Help with inexpensive soundcard (midiman???) (Len Moskowitz)
FS: Mics, preamp and accesories (Nick Georges)
Bang ("john e. bogus")
Re:Subject: AUDIO CAPABLE COMPUTER DAT FOR SALE $245 ("" )
Kings of Convenience? (KindTaper@aol.com)
nakamichi mx-100 ("taperroy")
Terratec/VIA compatibility ("J.Garcia")
optical s/pdif or tos-link? ("J.Garcia")
schoeps VMS 5 U (jay)
SONY DTC-P7 & DTC-750 (Pierre Rose)
Ratdog 4/17/01 (DAVEDARC@aol.com)
FS: Sony 7-pin connector... ("Brian - Network Administrator")
FYI: Robert Plant Announces 2001 Mini Tour ("Tatina, Bill")
Frank Black recent shows ("spnews")
Re: : DPA 4051 vs 4060 (Digest #855) (GuySonic@aol.com)
Re: OT: audio for video cameras questions (Digest #856) (GuySonic@aol.com)
Source Help? (Matt Edlhuber)
Re: inbox power supply (gruvenon@netzero.net)
From: "Tatina, Bill" <Bill.Tatina@nordstrom.com>
Subject: FYI: Red Rocks Seating Fun
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:02:05 -0600
http://www.redrocksonline.com/seating.html
Happy 60th Anniversary Red Rocks
From: "Tatina, Bill" <Bill.Tatina@nordstrom.com>
Subject: Ben Harper Fans Rejoice
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:15:03 -0600
http://www.virtueoz.com/music/concerts/benharper/
From: "Richard Hempsall" <richard@hempsall.com>
Subject: No International Shipments (AUDIO CAPABLE COMPUTER DAT FOR SALE $245)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:40:42 +0200
>No international shipments
Which country are you in? :)
From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Re: OT: audio for video cameras questions
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:44:23 -0400 (EDT)
"crak therapy" <crakt@hotmail.com> wrote:
> will recording loud gigs overload either the internal mic or the pre-amp for
> the external mic?
Most camcorders do not have a low sensitivity setting for their mic
pre-amps and will overload into distortion when fed a hot signal. If
the mics are self-powered, we strongly recommend using an attenuator
cable between the mics and the mic input.
Len Moskowitz Binaural and StealthMics (tm), Cables, Interfaces
Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey http://www.core-sound.com
moskowit@core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Help with inexpensive soundcard (midiman???)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:56:50 -0400 (EDT)
Chris <ChopCG@aol.com> wrote:
> Can anyone send me a recommendation on a soundcard for around 200 dollars or
> under that will get the job done (if there are any)?
>
> Also, does anyone have any info on the Midiman soundcards offered by core
> sound at http://www.core-sound.com/#PRODUCTS
The Audiophile 2496 card is excellent and very reasonably priced. The
only thing it's missing is optical digital I/O (it has coaxial digital
I/O). We've had nothing but good reports about it.
Len Moskowitz Binaural and StealthMics (tm), Cables, Interfaces
Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey http://www.core-sound.com
moskowit@core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
From: Nick Georges <nick@nickspicks.com>
Subject: FS: Mics, preamp and accesories
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:52:19 -0700
Hey all...
It is with a heavy heart that I must proceed with selling my beloved
recording rig.
Reason for selling is that I'm buying a house.
Stuff for sale:
MBHO 603a mic bodies # 51 and 52 (one mic has a superficial scratch on
the body)
KA200 cardioid capsule, also #1651 & 1652
Active cables.
mini-mic clips for the active capsule
Deneke PS-2 Phantom power unit.
provides power for both mics via 9v
Deneke/Zefiro Inbox mic pre and A/D
Sure Stereo Mic bar
2 AT 8410a Microphone shock mounts
2 B&K 0896 Wind Screens (never used)
2x25' Star Quad mic cables w/Neutric ends.
4x1' mic cables, same as above.
2x1' Grahm-Patten -15db XLR attenuator cables
I'm looking to get $1750 firm for the entire rig.
Please email me off list if interested.
--
*** www.nickspicks.com ***
From: "john e. bogus" <mallness@surfbest.net>
Subject: Bang
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:05:01 -0400
Another great Bang show offered up for trade: Murph's Pub, Wilmington, DE
4/14/01. Running time 90 minutes. Nak 300's into D7, also mastered on DV
video. Anyone in the Philly area, if you like kick ass rock and roll, this
is an excellent band that is taper friendly. Two more left in this run of
shows: 4/28/01 Christiana Pub, Christiana, DE and Murph's again on
5/12/01. Glad to give a patch to anyone wanting one. More info can be had
by my previous postings here or on the band's website at www.BANGmusic.com
Thanks for the posting, john e. bogus. Email at mallness@surfbest.net
From: <gboss>
Subject: Re:Subject: AUDIO CAPABLE COMPUTER DAT FOR SALE $245
Reply-To: gboss@voicenet.com
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:16:43 -0400
> SEAGATE DAT DRIVE WITH AUDIO SUPPORT
>
> Model # CTD8000R-S 3.5" form factor drive with rails and 5.25" bezel
>
> No international shipments. Fixed insured shipping costs of $10 for
UPS
> ground or equivalent. BidPay accepted for credit card transactions.
USPS
> Money Order/Cashier's checks also accepted. E-mail
datman@midsouth.rr.com
> with any questions. Thanks for your interest.
>
Not to steal your sale or anything, but your asking price is a bit high,
considering one can purchase such a drive, brand new, from
www.mashek.com for $200+ $5 shipping. You, and anyone thinking about
buying this drive, might want to think about reconsidering. . .
From: KindTaper@aol.com
Subject: Kings of Convenience?
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:18:56 EDT
Anyone have any live material by them? They are from Norway, and they sound
scarily similar to Simon and Garfunkel. If you like S&G and want to try
something new, pick up their new album "Quiet is the New Loud". It's great!
Please e-mail me if you have anything to trade by them.
Thanks,
Wes
Kindtaper@aol.com
From: "taperroy" <taperroy@powerlynk.com>
Subject: nakamichi mx-100
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:45:26 -0500
thinking on purchasing this nak mixer,,
but would like to correspond with someone thats used it in the field. it
will be used with two recently purchased nak cm 300 w/ cp4 caps , or cp1
caps depending on the venue. and i hope to add a blend mic (good quality
one) was wondering about what kinda power is used in the field for powering
the mx-100 and also if its a decent quiet unit. ill be using the shotguns in
outdoor environments where stealth is not required.
thanks...
taperroy
p.s. please reply off list,,,, john f. ??? are you still out there???
From: "J.Garcia" <elektrik@navegalia.com>
Subject: Terratec/VIA compatibility
Reply-to: elektrik@navegalia.com
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:36:11 +0200
I was planning to buy a Terratec audio card to transfer DAT to harddisk,
but I've abandoned the idea after receiving a message from Terratec
technical support, which I'm not allowed to forward without their
permission. You are warned if you have a motherboard based on the VIA
chipset!
Now, which of these audio cards are fully compatible with that motherboard
chipset, for AMD Athlon?
egosys waveterminal
midiman delta dio 2496
rme digi96
I think all these have optical tos-link in/out connection. I prefer that
connections as it seems the 7-pin sony cable is cheaper for optical.
Jose Garcia
elektrik@navegalia.com
From: "J.Garcia" <elektrik@navegalia.com>
Subject: optical s/pdif or tos-link?
Reply-to: elektrik@navegalia.com
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:36:11 +0200
I'm quite confused by this terminology.
The dat-heads faq doesn't talk about tos-link, which I thought was how the
optical connection was called, but I've seen the term s/pdif used for
optical connection at Terratec site and in the Midiman manuals.
Can someone clarify or point me to a helpful site about all this acronyms?
Thanks
Jose Garcia
elektrik@navegalia.com
From: jay <jay@3rdperson.com>
Subject: schoeps VMS 5 U
Reply-To: jay@3rdperson.com
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:59:38 -0700
Does anyone have any thoughts/ experience on the Schoeps VMS 5U with the
KCY active cable and some capsules? Although I'm sure the pre-amp isn't
lunatec quality, do people feel it's as good/ better than the sonosax?
Or atleast feel that it's a decent pre-amp. Anyone have any experience
using the m/s matrix? It seems like a cost effective way to start off
with a decent rig, with the versatility of buying just capsules to go
omni, or omni + fig. 8 m/s would be cool and relatively
inexpensive....comparatively.
all thoughts appreciated.
Jay
From: Pierre Rose <rosep@colba.net>
Subject: SONY DTC-P7 & DTC-750
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:03:03 -0400
Hi all!
I am looking for some info. on the following DAT recorders by Sony;
DTC-P7 and DTC-750. I believe that they are older DAT recorders and
would like to know when they first appeared on the market ? Were they
RELIABLE machines and are parts still available for them? Finally is one
more sophisticated than the other as far as options...performance.. etc
? Thanks for the info ! Peter.
From: DAVEDARC@aol.com
Subject: Ratdog 4/17/01
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:27:02 EDT
Help me Help me....
Do to technical difficulties our chain at the Ratdog - Cedar Rapids show got
buggered up and about 6 of us did not take home the "gem" we thought we had.
Anybody else tape the show from this list, and be willin to dub a copy for
me? Will throw in a copy of 4/16/01 DesMoines show as a bonus. Thanks much
Cheers,
Dave
From: "Brian - Network Administrator" <brian@hypowerinc.com>
Subject: FS: Sony 7-pin connector...
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:39:11 -0400
I've got a cable that I've already replaced so I don't need this faulty one
anymore...
Currently it's a 7-pin (D8 is what I have) to Digi-Coax I/O. Something is
wrong with the in feed, but it's within the cable, not the connector (I
believe because it spits out digi-noise if the "In" cable is tweaked in
anyway). I know to make one, you have to buy the cable from Sony and cut
the 7-pin connector off.
So, I offer up this "bad" cable for use of the 7-pin connector ONLY.
$10 + $3.50 S/H and it's yours.
Because I don't know jack $hit about the inner workings of these cables, if
it turns out to be the connector, I'll take it back and refund the amount
paid.
Since I'm a digester and seem to "miss out" on bunch-o-offers because of it,
I'm going to only entertain offers received AFTER the digest this post
appears in my inbox. Special treatment to those who include the digest
header in their response.
Regards,
B(c)
==============================================
"I like fashion - and Porsches - and Rolexes - all that stuff! How nice of
the morons and drones to wear uniforms, so one can avoid them..."
~ Spider Robinson
From: "Tatina, Bill" <Bill.Tatina@nordstrom.com>
Subject: FYI: Robert Plant Announces 2001 Mini Tour
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:47:08 -0600
Plant Plucks Alternative Musicians For Tour
Led Zeppelin frontman Robert Plant has scheduled a handful of European dates
this month, to be followed by a brief North American tour in May and June.
Plant will be backed on the jaunts by Strange Sensations, a band with an
alternative rock pedigree comprised of musicians who have logged time in the
Cure, and played with Portishead and former Public Image Ltd. member Jah
Wobble.
Strange Sensations features guitarist Porl Johnson, who was a member of the
Cure from 1985-1993, until he left that band to join the Jimmy Page/Robert
Plant touring lineup. Also in the band is guitarist Justin Adams (Jah
Wobble), keyboardist John Baggot (Portishead), drummer Clive Dreamer
(Portishead, Roni Size), and bassist Charlie Jones, who toured with
Page/Plant, and played on Plant's 1990 album "Manic Nirvana."
The European tour gets underway Sunday (April 22) in Aarhus, Denmark, and
wraps April 29 in Stockholm. The North American run begins May 25 in Boston,
and will play Philadelphia, Washington, D.C., New York, Toronto, and
Detroit, before coming to a rest June 6 in Chicago. Dates on the West Coast
are also expected.
As previously reported <http://www.billboard.com/daily/2001/0327_01.asp>,
Plant will make a guest appearance on the new album from Afro Celt Sound
System, titled "Volume 3: Further In Time." Due June 19 on Peter Gabriel's
Real World Records, the set also features a guest turn by Gabriel.
Here are Robert Plant & Strange Sensations tour dates:
* April 22: Aarhus, Denmark (Train)
* April 23: Copenhagen (Amager Bio)
* April 26: Malmo, Sweden (KB Club)
* April 27: Goteborg, Sweden (Tragarn)
* April 29: Stockholm (Cirkus)
* May 25: Boston (Orpheum Theatre)
* May 27: Philadelphia (Electric Factory)
* May 28: Washington, D.C. (DAR Constitution Hall)
* June 1: New York (Roseland Ballroom)
* June 3: Toronto (Massey Hall)
* June 4: Detroit (State Theatre)
* June 6: Chicago (Riviera Theatre)
From: "spnews" <spnews@fnac.net>
Subject: Frank Black recent shows
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:54:52 +0200
I'm looking for Frank Black recent shows.
If you recorded him, planned to record him please send me your list.
I've got plenty to trade including some 2001 European shows.
From: GuySonic@aol.com
Subject: Re: : DPA 4051 vs 4060 (Digest #855)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:25:03 EDT
In a message dated 4/17/01 5:06:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net writes:
<< -----------------------------
From: Andrew Nemeth <azn@nemeng.com>
Subject: DPA 4051 vs 4060
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 05:59:27 +1000
I have been using the miniature DPA 4060 mics for ambient
location sound recording for 4 months now. Although they
sound very good 90% of the time, they still have a bit too
much self-noise for the really quiet stuff.
So I am thinking of getting the larger diaphram, quieter
spec DPA 4051. As I don't do rock'n'roll, high SPL issues
aren't a consideration here.
Anyone else use these? Opinions / gotchas? Too sensitive
for general use? Too delicate for the rough-and-tumble of
location work?
Regds,
Andrew Nemeth
<http://4020.net> -> photos, 360=B0 panoramic vrs, sounds
<http://nemeng.com> -> vr java applets, leica faq, tech info
>>
I've also found these types of mics a bit too noisy for recording very quiet
nature sounds.
Going to a larger diaphragm microphone WILL give you the lower mic self-noise
and give a higher output to not challenge the mic preamplifier to be ultra
quiet, but also add tonal coloration, and also these larger mic capsules will
not have the higher frequency resolution and low coloration possible with
using the smallest condenser capsules.
So this is a compromise situation where lowest noise IS from larger mics, but
you cannot get the needed sonic details with such mics.
Sonic Studios has specialized DSM-1S series of surround-sound stereo
microphone that cannot be used for recording anything much over 105 dB SPL
(read not for recording PA'd anything), but has much better signal to noise
performance or lower noise (like 6-8 dB lower self-noise) than DPA's best
4060 and is also much lower noise than all other types of small size
condenser that can offer the high-frequency resolution needed to capture the
entire 10-25,000 cycle bandwidth typical of wildlife sounds in natural
ambient.
In addition, the WHB windscreen headband accessory that's integrates with
these mics allows full ability to produce very useful recordings in winds up
to 40 MPH! This mic system is being used to record ambient sounds happening
miles away with very little electrical background noise from the mic-deck
electronics.
Very well worth considering; guaranteed to meet your requirements with risk
free 60 day trial period. Many satisfied DSM-1S users, I've not gotten any
of these back from any disappointed customers so far.
See: <A HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com/dsm.htm">
http://www.sonicstudios.com/dsm.htm</A> for full details.
Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard Lombardo
========================================
Sonic Studios(tm)..."Making Audio History With DSM(tm) Microphones"
Since 1986: The First Choice of Sound Recording Professionals"
Specializing in Patented HRTF Surround Stereo Microphone Technology for
Speech, Film, Music, Sound Design/EFX
TEL: 541-459-8839 /\ FAX: 541-459-8842 /\ USA Free: 1-888-875-4976
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Informative WEB SITE: http:// <A HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com">
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A better wish... "A bit of knowledge coupled to a great deal of wisdom"
From: GuySonic@aol.com
Subject: Re: OT: audio for video cameras questions (Digest #856)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:25:05 EDT
In a message dated 4/17/01 10:08:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net writes:
<<
From: "crak therapy" <crakt@hotmail.com>
Subject: OT: audio for video cameras questions
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:18:19 -0000
hi all
this is off topic but can anyone help me out with the audio side of video
cameras for recording gigs?[either Hi8 or miniDV] can someone point me
towards any websites?
------clip'd--------
luke
>>
There are many issues of camera+mic, and interface system to be considered.
Too long to post here, but look to the page on my site for solution details
and issues of what it takes to get satisfying recorded video sound easily.
The details have been worked out for you and the gear is available to do this
normally difficult job correctly.
See: <A HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com/videomic.htm#faq">
http://www.sonicstudios.com/videomic.htm#faq</A>
Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard Lombardo
========================================
Sonic Studios(tm)..."Making Audio History With DSM(tm) Microphones"
Since 1986: The First Choice of Sound Recording Professionals"
Specializing in Patented HRTF Surround Stereo Microphone Technology for
Speech, Film, Music, Sound Design/EFX
TEL: 541-459-8839 /\ FAX: 541-459-8842 /\ USA Free: 1-888-875-4976
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Informative WEB SITE: http:// <A HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com">
WWW.SONICSTUDIOS.COM</A>
A better wish... "A bit of knowledge coupled to a great deal of wisdom"
From: Matt Edlhuber <edlhubermj18@mail.uww.edu>
Subject: Source Help?
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:31:33 -0500
My buddy is spinning me up these tapes and doesnt have complete source info.
I was wondering if anyone else has this same source/show, or might know who
taped it? Any help would be great. I've kinda thought it was prolly like
cmc3/4/5 & mk2 > AD1000? > Panasonic SV255. I'm not sure when the AD1000 came
out and obviously the 500e is only a D>A and you gotta power the mics somehow,
maybe an oade or sonosax back then, and I think the 2700 is a homedeck. This
is what he gave me below, so if anyone can help that'd be great.
Phish & Allman Bros - Laguna Seca Daze, Montery, CA 5-29-93
Audience (FOB) Schoeps Omni Capsules (spaced 8') > ? > Apogee A/D
coverter (probably 500e) > Panasonic DAT(2700?) > My D10 Pro
Taped by a guy named Jeff from Santa Cruz, taped a lot of Garcia back in the
day too. Any help would be greatly apprecaited. Peace.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Name: Matt Edlhuber
Email: Edlhubermj18@mail.uww.edu
WWW: HTTP://www.prairiefuture.com/Matt/home.html
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From: gruvenon@netzero.net
Subject: Re: inbox power supply
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:43:01 -0400
From: "winnie" <who@sover.net>
Subject: Re: inbox power supply
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 1980 18:31:18 -0500
Hey Adam
Thanks for the feedback. To clarify... I used to use alkaline 9v. Even
though there is life left in the battery after a show, I start the next
show with a fresh one having learned the hard way not to push a battery
to the limit and risk crapping out before a break. I hated the waste
though. So I went to rechargable NiMh from Radio Shack. I knew that
rechargables don’t last as long as alkalines, but I didnt think they
would last only 2hr 45 min!! I dont know if all Ni-Mh are all that bad
or if Radio Shack just sucks. So this is why I was looking for a
different rechargable option with more capacity.
I got several emails from people wanting me to forward them a solution
if one was sent to me. Heres a copy of a suggestion I received.
========
I built a battery pack using a 6v SLA batt. If you use the power jack in
you can run the inbox on 6-24v. I used a 7.5 amp hour because I had one
already. this will power it for weeks. You could use a smaller battery
if size and weight are a concern.
========
Winnie, Adam, et al,
I like Radio Shack Rechargeable Radio Controlled Car/Boat/Other Toy
batteries. I have two the 9.6 Volt batteries. One is 600 mAh and one
is 900. I also have the Radio Shack quick charger (mine is AC only, but
some work off car batteries, a nice feature for tour heads). These
batteries will power a Inbox for well over 8 hours. I left one hooked
up over night and the low power light still wasn't on in the morning.
My batteries are NiCd, but most of the newer radio shack RC batteries
are NiMH. They charge fast, are reasonably priced and if you need a
replacement they can be bought in just about any city in America. No
mail order, no connectorizing, just plug and go. I did have to make a
cable with a female molex connector on one end and a 1/8" mini plug on
the other. If you put two molex females on the same end in parallel you
could have a hot-swappable battery setup for even longer record times.
Just make sure to disconnect the first battery right after you hook in
the new one.
I have tried the 'regular' 9V Radio Shack NiMH batteries in my Denecke
PS-1 power supplies. They last much longer than a show, but I haven't
tried one in my Inbox. I am surprised to hear they last such a short
time. My NiMH 9v says 14-18 hours to charge them. When I read the
voltage (no load) of a freshly charged RS NiMH battery I get over 9.5
volts. When I do the same with the Eveready 9v NiMH's I have they read
8.5 volts. I think the Radio Shack NiMH's are actually NOT 8.4 volts,
as some other batteries (Eveready) are.
Alan
PS the 7.2 volt Radio Shack batteries (3000 mAh) should be good for this
purpose as well. I originally bought the 9V batteries for another
purpose, so I already had them on hand.
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