DAT-heads Digest #908, Volume #5 Tue, 29 May 01 09:50:00 EDT Contents: david byrne in denver ("Stu Jones") Wayne Kramer/Alejandro Escovedo for trade ("Dan Witt") MD vs DAT for $1000 rig ("Gary Davis") ISO: NRBQ DAT/CDs (Comnaround@aol.com) wanted: David Gray 2001 (steve) MD vs DAT (Mike Hooker) FS: 2 Robert Plant Tix, June 6th, Chicago (Lerdawg@aol.com) looking for eric clapton nashville (Jack Lowery) DAT recorder as A/D? ("James B. Wilkinson") Multitrack laptop recordings ("NASHPHIL") Help w/ DAT to CD transfer.... ("Kris Reid") ISO : B.B.King in N.Y.C. May '01 ("Nishigori") re: $1000 rig (Nick Georges) RE: Creative Nomad Jukebox Microphone (Warren Melnick) FS: Zefiro/Denecke Inbox ("morg") Looking for Norfolk, VA area tapers ("Lane Kelly") Black Crowes/Oasis Tix for Tomorrow Night (Geoff Tischman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stu Jones" Subject: david byrne in denver Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:06:00 -0600 did anyone stealth david byrne in denver last thursday? peace stu ------------------------------ From: "Dan Witt" Subject: Wayne Kramer/Alejandro Escovedo for trade Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:27:46 -0500 Wayne Kramer 05/19/2001 DPA 4061 -line in D100 DAT 55 minutes Alejando Escovedo 05/21/2001 MBHO 603 k200s -V2 -Rosetta -DAT 90 minutes Both shows from the 7th Street Entry in Minneapolis. I'll do a few trades of each show on cdr. B+P acceptable if you do the same for others. Send me an email if interested. ------------------------------ From: "Gary Davis" Subject: MD vs DAT for $1000 rig Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:28:09 -0700 The best part about choosing DAT isn't the sound quality, but the flexibility of use. Yes, DAT has excellent sound quality, and MD, Nomad, etc, might have sound quality almost as good - that, IMHO, is not the big issue. With DAT, you also get: 3 or 6 hours running time without changing tape or batteries. Clearly labeled level meters so you can set the level correctly. A knob to adjust the level, not "up/down" buttons or no adjustment at all. Inputs for mic at 0dB, -20dB, and Line level, hopefully of high quality. Better than 99% chance the recording you thought you made, will actually be on the tape. Best possible source for further manipulation. I highly recommend the CSB battery box mics for $230, which will complete your rig for under $1000... --Gary ------------------------------ From: Comnaround@aol.com Subject: ISO: NRBQ DAT/CDs Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 18:26:09 EDT Lots of other bands like GD,Phish,DMB,Springsteen and Q from all eras to trade on DAT and CD. I have a great A to D set up(NAK CR7A->Lucid AD9624->Fostex D5) and would love to transfer to DAT and or CD your old analog masters. Thanks Mark Lynn ------------------------------ From: steve Subject: wanted: David Gray 2001 Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 19:49:18 -0400 Looking for a high-quality 2001 David Gray DAT-sourced full-length performance on CDR or DAT. Have many singer-songwriters to offer (~4000 hours) but no DG. Email for list. Thanks, Steve ------------------------------ From: Mike Hooker Subject: MD vs DAT Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 19:43:43 -0400 hi, now i'm not so sure about giving up on my DAT. someone posted that the mic preamp on the D7 isnt so good. i would think that using a digital mic preamp would make a big difference, but i wonder if using a digtial mic preamp into an MD would help it as well. i'm not going to be using a digital preamp any time soon, so i have to base my decision on analog input into the line in jacks. ther next show i tape, i'm going to use both the DAT and MD from the same line feed, to really tell for sure. it will be a lot of gear to carry, but a worthy experiment. i always tape stealth, AUD, so all the gear you guys carry into arenas that allow taping isnt really relevent to me. it isnt the question :is DAT better than MD ? . the question is,for the type of recording i do, is DAT that much better to forgo the easy of use of MD. see my music trading page: http://pages.zdnet.com/mikehooker/hookstradingpage have fun, Mike Hooker ______________ ------------------------------ From: Lerdawg@aol.com Subject: FS: 2 Robert Plant Tix, June 6th, Chicago Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 20:08:25 EDT Hey folks, I won't be able to make the Robert Plant show at the Riviera here in Chicago on June 6th and am looking to sell my extra pair of tix to a taper. I'm asking face for the pair for this show, which happens to be sold out. Contact me at Lerdawg@aol.com if interested! Thanks, Mike ------------------------------ From: Jack Lowery Subject: looking for eric clapton nashville Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 19:56:02 -0500 Hello looking for eric clapton nashville from last week. 5-24-01 have tons to trade including knofler nashville 01 tim ------------------------------ From: "James B. Wilkinson" Subject: DAT recorder as A/D? Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 21:29:38 -0400 Andy McFadden's CD-Recordable FAQ suggests that a good way to transfer vinyl to CD-R is to make a DAT copy first and then play digital from the DAT into the soundcard. This avoids using the analog input of the soundcard, which suffers from the very noisy environment inside the computer case. So far so good, but I wonder whether it is really necessary to make the DAT tape. That is, will any of these DAT recorders let you send the analog into its analog inputs and get the digital out of the SPDIF outputs without actually running a tape through the machine at the same time. It would certainly save a lot of wear on the heads if you have a lot of records (good guess, I do). And it would save the expense of buying a separate A/D converter; the cheapest one of those that I've found so far is about $600. Yes, I do have other uses for the DAT recorder. Any of you guys know the answer to this? I haven't bought a DAT machine yet, but I'm getting ready to, and it would be nice to know about this first. Thanks -- ============================================================= Jimmy Wilkinson | Perfesser of Computer Science jimmy@cs.CofC.edu | The College of Charleston (843) 953-8160 | Charleston SC 29424 If there is one word to describe me, that word would have to be "profectionist". Any form of incompitence is an athema to me. ------------------------------ From: "NASHPHIL" Subject: Multitrack laptop recordings Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 21:56:04 -0500 Hello, I have a few questions that I know some of you brainiacs can give some insight to. First, Here is my plan: I am purchasing the SONY VAIO PCG-C1VP (released 5-24-01) http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/picturebook/index.html Along with the quad-capacity battery and external CDRW drive. The specs on the Vaio are: 15gig / 192 SDRAM / 667 Transmeta CPU with PCMCIA, USB, and FIREWIRE ports on the unit. That should give me at the very least, 10 hours of battery and record time. Even while recording in 24bit/48k mode. With 16bit/44.1k, the record time would be somewhere in the range of 15 hours, which would be about the max the quad-battery should last in record mode. Give or take a bit. Bottom line, this little monster should give me plenty of battery and HD space to record for 7+ consecutive hours, even on a bad day. Now, Step 2 I need a card that will allow digital input to reach the laptop. Or do I? I seem to really only have a few options on the laptop. USB is out, not enough B/W to handle the audio coming in. PCMCIA seems to be a great solution, especially with the Digigram VX Pocket. However, that card looks overpriced for what it does, and there doesn't appear to be another PCMCIA card that rivals it. 2 channels I/O and 24/48 are the max the VX Pocket can do and there seems to be no way to update it later on. It has 24/48 AD & DA converters and mic-pres built in, but with conversion going on inside the computer, there would seem to be some noise and latency issues to account for. Meaning, all of those features would be useless and it's only real value would be the 2 channel SPDIF I/O. So, the 3rd option is FIREWIRE and it looks the best to me. A friend at one of the studios here in Nashville turned me on to this wonder machine, and I am thinking of taking the plunge. Basically, it provides tons of I/O in all formats, phantom power, and Mic Pres for all channels, plus 24/96 AD/DA conversion. It can resample, matrix, monitor, and record on the fly. It's fully portable, even running on DC power from the laptop or AC plug in. Weighs 7 lbs and is the size of most laptops. (specs below) Seems too perfect to be true. This is why I'm asking the experts. Ok, so I get all this gear and I want to make sure it is going to work the way I want it to, so here are my questions.....finally Does anyone have any experience with any of these products? Positive/Negative? By looking at the specs, it seems that the MOBILE I/O would work perfectly with the Vaio, and any other computer with FIREWIRE, Are there any conflicts problems that anyone is aware of? Theoretically, I plug in a set(s) of Mics/SBD feeds to the MOBILE I/O via the analog XLR or 1/4 inputs, which should would power and preamp the mics.. I then connect the MOBILE I/O to the VAIO via the FIREWIRE port on the VAIO, which will also power the MOBILE I/O. Then I configure the settings via software on the VAIO and start recording. All of this without any other equipment, does all of this sound right? Will the recordings this produces sound right? How "Hi-Quality" are these mic-pres and AD/DA converters? Do these pres/AD/DA's cause any interference or produce any noise being near the CPU on the computer or DSP on the unit? Ok, I could go on forever...but I think yall got the general idea. And...I know we have been over this laptop field recording thing before. It actually looks like a reality now, so I want to find out what yall think. a HUGE Thanks for the help, in advance. Phil Harris http://www.nashphil.com/ ============================================ Here are the specs for the MOBILE I/O from their website...... http://www.mhlabs.com/index2.html Mobile I/O Location Applications Mobile I/O was created with the field recordist in mind. With features like eight channels of high quality mic-pre, each with independent phantom power, and dimensions of only 13.75" x 11.125" x 1.75," Mobile I/O fits perfectly under a laptop computer, and it weighs about seven pounds, so it moves easily and quickly. The box itself has rounded corners, designed to be easy on your hands - and your gig bag. The sophisticated design of Mobile I/O allows you to power the unit directly through the FireWire® bus, so you can run off of your computer's power supply, another reason why Mobile I/O is the ideal solution for field recording. ======================== Mobile I/O is able to be operated in "stand-alone" mode, without a computer present. Mobile I/O 2882+DSP can be programmed for "instant on" processing operation. A settings library enables the user to program the parameters of Mobile I/O and save them, so a Mobile I/O can, for instance, become a dedicated speaker man- agement system, recalling the programmed setup when powered on, as a "set and forget" situation. Alterna- tively, the settings library enables the user to recall settings in the in the studio and bring the Mobile I/O into the field pre-programmed for a specific purpose, a feature that benefits a mixing engineer using the unit for a live performance, for instance. ============================== Mobile I/O Functional Specs Goals of the device Mobile I/O will provide the user with the following benefits and functionality: 1. Audio I/O and processing for FireWire® equipped Macintosh and Windows computers. . Native Drivers for both platforms . ASIO Pro Drivers for both platforms 2. 8 channels of high-quality 24 bit 96 kHz analog audio input with Mic Pre's (4x XLR-F, 4x 1/4" TRS) .Total of 8 channels of analog input 3. 8 channels of high-quality 24 bit 96 kHz analog audio output from computer (8x 1/4" TRS) .Total of 8 channels of analog output 4. 2 channels of high-quality 24 bit 96 kHz analog headphone output from DSP (1x 1/4" Stereo) .Total of 2 channels of analog monitor output 5. Stereo switchable AES/SPDIF I/O with SRC (1x XLR-M 1x XLR-F 2x RCA) .Total of 2 channels of digital output .Total of 2 channels of digital input . SRC allows lock of different digital clocks . SRC capture range is 3:1 -- SRC from 48kHz -> 96 kHz on the fly 6. Word clock & 256x Clock I/O (2x BNC) [Switchable] . Wordclock mode supports 1x Sample Rate clock . 256x mode supports 256x Sample Rate clock 7. Supported Sample Rates: . Single rate: 44.1/48kHz . Double Rate: 88.2/96kHz . External vari-speed ±5% nominal [PLL Lock Range] 8. Mic Pre Specs (preliminary) . Low Noise/High CMRR Servo Balanced Design . Supports both balanced and single-ended inputs . Up to 60 dB of Gain . Switchable Pad for line-level inputs . Support for line-level, low-Z and high-Z sources . Switchable 48v Phantom power per input 9. Converter Specs (preliminary) . 24 bit/96k . ADC: 110 dB S/N, -103THD+N . DAC: 120 dB S/N, -110 dBTHD+N 10.2x Firewire 1394 jacks [400Mbps] . Allows extension of FireWire bus for chaining of multiple Mobile I/O boxes, or other FireWire peripherals . Allows multiple FireWire unit use for computers with only one port . Powers other FireWire devices by passing power through FireWire jacks 11.1x External Power Jack [For external DC power Source 8-33v DC 15W] 12.Mute Button for Headphone 13.Dim Button for Headphone 14.Full Front Panel Status: . Sample Rate . Clock Source . Clock Lock Indicator . Power . Phantom Power . Firewire Activity . Digital Input Source . Digital Input Locked . Mute & Dim Active Indicators 15.Full 10 segment meters for both inputs and outputs (16 Meters total) . 0 dBFS -> -60dBFS in the following steps: -54, -42, -30, -18, -12, -9, -6, -3, -1, 0dBFS 16.Ability to be powered from the Firewire Bus 17.On-board DSP for internal low-latency Super High Quality Audio Processing .Total of 2 signal processing units [in +DSP units] ==================================================================================== ------------------------------ From: "Kris Reid" Subject: Help w/ DAT to CD transfer.... Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 23:15:45 -0400 This is probably a stupid question but I am going to ask it anyway. Could someone please explain the best method to record from DAT to CD via a digital sound card and HDD? Do you record the whole show as one big .wav file and then add start ids via some software package? If so how is this done and what packages do this? Thanks in Advance... Kris ------------------------------ From: "Nishigori" Subject: ISO : B.B.King in N.Y.C. May '01 Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:35:47 +0900 Hi, DAT-Heads. I had a chance to see B.B.King on 5/19/01 early show at his own B.B.King Blues club in New York City. However, I couldn't tape the show because I was on a business trip and didn't have my rig. I'm wondering if anybody taped the show. My first choice is 5/19/01 early show , but I will accept any one of the six shows he did in N.Y.C. I have some tapes to trade. Please respond personally. Thank you very much for your attention. Naoki Nishigori Yokohama, Japan bijou-n@blue.b-city.net ------------------------------ From: Nick Georges Subject: re: $1000 rig Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:40:42 -0700 If *I* were going to spend a grand on a rig, here is what I might do. Factory matched pair of Oktava MC012's for the mics: $649 from www.soundroom.com Deneke AD-20 (aka: zefiro inbox) for preamp, A/D: $340 Deneke PS-2 phantom power unit: $99 Total: $1079 Now, your broke and have no deck. However, the deck is the least important piece of your rig, IMO. Spend a couple a hundred on a sharp MD recorder to get you buy until you can find a nice used D8 or something for a few hundred. The Deneke unit has both coax and toslink out, so you can record digitally to an MD recorder (nice feature for MD recording). While MD is lossy and not as good as DAT, it's damn good! You'll likely not be able to hear the difference unless you have kick-ass playback gear and a very golden ear. This is fun. Someone post a question saying you have $6k to spend and don't know what to get. I like this! -- *** www.nickspicks.com *** ------------------------------ From: Warren Melnick Subject: RE: Creative Nomad Jukebox Microphone Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:15:54 -0400 I would hold off on any jukebox-related purchases for another week or so anyway. They are releasing two new sets of firmware this week (if they hit their date), one of which is specifically for tapers. W > From: Doug Steinhoff > Subject: Creative Nomad Jukebox Microphone > Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:29:21 -0500 > > Hey now, > I am a newbee to digital recording so of course I have a few questions. I > recently purchased a Creative Nomad Jukebox, which is a 6GB MP3 player with > recording capabilities. The reason I selected it was that it has the > ability to record onto it's 6gb HD. So now I need a microphone and know > nothing about them. > > Here's what I know. It has a 1/8 inch stereo line input. The brochure says > I need a pre-amplified microphone, and I want to record live shows, so > probably want a duo-mike setup. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > TIA, > Buzzz ------------------------------ From: "morg" Subject: FS: Zefiro/Denecke Inbox Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:43:20 -0400 Purchased new in December of 1999. Its a preamp/AD converter, does NOT supply phantom power. I am upgrading to an adc-20 210 shipped morgan ------------------------------ From: "Lane Kelly" Subject: Looking for Norfolk, VA area tapers Reply-to: lkelly@infi.net Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:44:31 -0400 Anyone with a good stealth rig in Norfolk (or surrounding area) who would be interested in taping the Cult on 7/16? Please e-mail me if at all possible. Thanks... ***************************** Lane Kelly lkelly@infi.net ***************************** ------------------------------ From: Geoff Tischman Subject: Black Crowes/Oasis Tix for Tomorrow Night Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:50:18 -0400 I have a pair of Orchestra tix for tomorrow nights SpaceHog/Black Crowes/Oasis concert at the Blockbuster Entertainment Center in Camden NJ that I unfortunately can't use. I know its short notice, but I hope to be able to get rid of them today. I am willing to Fedex them if necessary but I work in Mid-town/live on Upper-west so if there are any NY'ers who want to go that would be great. The tix were 39.50 each (not including service charges ect) and they are in sec. 104 Row Q. Since they will likely go to waste if no one takes them I am certainly flexible with the selling price. For anyone who is interested in recording the show I am willing to make an extra special deal!!! Make an offer! I hope to hear from you. Geoff Tischman geoff@dragoneer.com ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. Problems or questions about a subscription should be addressed via these avenues and then if needed to dat-heads-owner@datheads.phish.net or postmaster@datheads.phish.net never the list itself You can submit a message for inclusion in the next digest via this address: Internet: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net Archives of DAT-Heads digests and related files are available on the DAT-Heads home page: http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/ End of DAT-Heads Digest ******************************