DAT-heads Digest #937
Contents:
DATs gone (David Hollister)
Re: coax vs optical digital connections (Len Moskowitz)
extra Phil Tickets Berkeley->Red Rocks ("James Ray")
Red Hot Chili Peppers Woodstock 1999 - date?? (eric nelson)
2 different mics for recording (acffhmorst)
RIP JOHN LEE (Music Lover)
At auction: Sony PCM-M1 and Tascam US428 (Bob Stone)
SoundDevices MP-2 question ("mark wilkins")
Anyone tape Flecktones Tuesday 6/19? ("Yeager")
sympathy for my grovels ("Brooks J. Taffner")
Yamaha cdr-s1000 and cloning from DAT (Drew)
Sound Proofing Material ("John Carroll")
ISO 1 tkt: Trey@Red Rocks 7/17or18 for Japanese Dathead ("Thomas Reizes")
Indianapolis, IN stealth taper needed ("Frank")
list housekeeping (call for self-editing) ("L. Sean Kennedy")
ISO European tapers for EX GIRL 2001 TOUR ("geoff nicholson")
taped shows ("Lane Kelly")
Re: Better shorten utility? (mikeedmo@voicenet.com)
Bass Roll-off ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.")
Recording off of Digital Cable ("Baumgardner, Martin C \(Marty\), NLSOP")
Mermen/ Big Wreck show NYC This coming Monday (6/25) anyone taping? (Bryan)
From: David Hollister <dhollist@iphase.com>
Subject: DATs gone
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:38:57 -0700
That was quick. Hard to beat DATs at less than $1.50 a piece I guess. Anyway,
there will probably be more later on.
If you didn't hear back from me, sorry. I got a lot more responses than I
expected.
--
David Hollister -- Interphase Corporation
Fibre Channel Driver Development
From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Re: coax vs optical digital connections
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:50:34 -0400 (EDT)
Joe Thierry <jthierry@erols.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for advise on coax vs optical digital connections. I've
> always understood coax to be the preferred digital connection especially
> for field use. It it as necessary for home use? In particular I want
> to be able to play a cdr on a CD/DVD player and record it on my Tascam
> cd-rw700. The cable will only be about 1.5 feet long. The dvd player
> I'm considering buying plays cdr's and cdrw's but it only has a optical
> out.
(By "optical" we mean 1mm plastic optical fiber, used in Toslink cables.
By "coaxial" we mean 75 Ohm coaxial cables with RCA connectors.)
The answer is that, in general, both work fine, but that one or the
other works better in specific circumstances.
If electromagnetic interference (induced or emitted) is a consideration,
optical is far superior.
If the cable has to run more than the 10 to 14 meters that 1mm plastic
fiber can handle without excessive loss, coaxial is far superior.
If the distance is under 10 meters and there's no worry about
interference, they're both fine.
It used to be that, for jitter considerations during playback, coaxial
was superior to Toslink. But the most recent generation of digital
audio devices reclocks the data stream before the D-to-A process, so
that's no longer the case -- now they're essentially interchangable.
In your situation, optical would be the simplest and best choice.
I hope that this helped!
Len Moskowitz Binaural and StealthMics (tm), Cables, Interfaces
Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey http://www.core-sound.com
moskowit@core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
From: "James Ray" <rayster45@hotmail.com>
Subject: extra Phil Tickets Berkeley->Red Rocks
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:00:41
Sorry for non-dat content but I need some help getting rid of these extra's.
A buddy just decided to stay in Hawaii after begging me time and time again
to get him tickets.....So I have 2 tickets for the following:
June 29-July 1 Greek Berkeley $30/per
July 4 Eugene OR $30/per
July 5 Snoqualmie WA $40/per
July 6/7 Red Rocks CO $30/per
I'd really like to give them all to one souce who is ready for a great road
trip. I'll pay shipping to get them to you. Also we can work out a deal if
one takes all. I paid @550 with shipping and mail order charges and what
not. I'm asking $440 for the set. thanks
James
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From: eric nelson <EyeandIGlass@netzero.net>
Subject: Red Hot Chili Peppers Woodstock 1999 - date??
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:01:44 -0400
Can anyone tell me the date of this show?? I have the pre-fm version on
one disc if anyone would like to trade for a copy but am not sure which
date of the festival they performed on...
Thanks,
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From: acffhmorst <morst@itis.com>
Subject: 2 different mics for recording
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:04:06 -0500
Hey now!!
Your plan will work, but the stereo image is going to be strange. I'm
sure with the good mics like that the overall sound will be of high
quality, but using two different flavors will get you some asymmetrical
results. Antares makes a plug-in for DAE software, I think it's called
mic emulator, it's very costly, but would allow you to change the sound
of one mic into a simulation of the other one. You could try simulating
two Rode's or two Neumanns and see which you like better.
Hmm, ya know, mono and mix might be the best ticket. . . simply realize
that you aren't going to have a proper stereo image with this setup, and
just get two great mono signals, and mix to taste. . . maybe a little
stereo effect on one of them to enhance the sound field.
Good luck, and I'd love to know what you decide to do... keep us posted!
-tom
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>I am trying to find out if using 2 different mics for live recording
would
do?/ I have access to a Rode NT-2 and a Nuemann U-87, one each.
I would use them both as cardioids./ Can I use these to record shows?
Has anyone ever tried this?
From: Music Lover <manup@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: RIP JOHN LEE
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:17:02 -0400
Just aint never gonna be the same again.
As original and brilliant as any artist i've ever come across in music
or otherwise.
Thanks for the work and the years.
From: Bob Stone <bstone98@yahoo.com>
Subject: At auction: Sony PCM-M1 and Tascam US428
Reply-To: bstone@coupcorp.com
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:19:10 -0700 (PDT)
Blatant use of bandwidth for commercial purpose:
Sony PCM-M1 (the one without SCMS)
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1248754783
Tascam US428 USB DA/AD Interface, Mixer, and DAW
Controller
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1248744422
Special offer to Dat Heads
Purchase before any bids are made and get the
following discounted prices
1. PCM-M1, plus service manual, and binaurals for $589
2. US428 for $389
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From: "mark wilkins" <wilkinsmd@hotmail.com>
Subject: SoundDevices MP-2 question
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 01:38:43
Question for MP-2 users, esp those with relatively high-output mics...
Do you find the need to run pads between the mics and the MP-2? I'm getting
tired of dragging around -10db pads to put between my mics and preamp to
keep the pre from getting overloaded. Have had my eye on an MP-2 for a
while and was wondering if anyone could comment. The corollary question is
in regards to its output...any problems running it into a relatively wimpy
input such as that on a D7/D8? The same pre I'm currently using brickwalls
a D8 (but not an SBM) at louder shows, even on low gain settings.
Thanks for any input
Mark
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From: "Yeager" <yeag0010@tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Anyone tape Flecktones Tuesday 6/19?
Reply-To: Yeager Yeager <yeag0010@tc.umn.edu>
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:04:13
They played the Blue Note in Columbia, MO. I fixed my parents up with
tickets for their anniversary and they really enjoyed it! I'd love to send
them a copy. Lots of goodies (DAT and/or CDR) to offer in trade.
-Scott
BWT - I'll take a couple B&P's for either:
20th Congress (featuring Melvin Sparks!) 4/11/01 Minneapolis DSBD
Vinyl 4/18/01 Minneapolis DSBD
CDR only. Each show fits on two discs.
From: "Brooks J. Taffner" <brookster1@prodigy.net>
Subject: sympathy for my grovels
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 21:13:12 -0500
hey everybody - since i recenty did my love offering
i was hoping that someone would help me w/ a few requests...
U2 - Houston - Elevation Tour & any SBD that might be avail..
lol - yeah right !
The CURE - BLOODFLOWERS TOUR - any & all -
but i really need - Houston & San Diego BAD
any Dah-Veed Garza - any please please
& these Phish Shows
11/29/96 Cow Palace - Daly City, CA (my 1st show)
11/30/96 Arco Arena - Sacramento, CA (my 2nd show)
please ! - i only have analogue sources on these - crisp me !
7/29/97 Desert Sky - Phoenix, AZ (my 3rd )
7/30/97 Ventura, CA
7/31/97 Shoreline - Mtn View, CA
11/16/97 - Denver &
11/17/97 - Denver (who has the phattest of phat on these 2 ? )
7/21/98 - Phoenix, AZ
7/24/98 - Houston, TX (my4th)
7/25/98 - Austin, TX (my5th)
7/28/98 - Bonner Springs, KS
11/4/98 - Denver
9/29/00 - Les Claypool - Vegas (gotta have it man !)
I have plenty of blanks from my recent offer so
B&P or Blanks for masters is fine w/ me -
Thnaks so much !
Brooks
in Temple, Tejas
Brooks Taffner
1306 N. 15th St
Temple, Tx 76501
(254)421-1987
Freak of Nature...Jaw-Dropping Skill..
From: Drew <drewc.atc@verizon.net>
Subject: Yamaha cdr-s1000 and cloning from DAT
Reply-To: drewc.atc@verizon.net
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:02:58 -0400
I just got this cd recorder and I cannot figure out how to get it to
copy the tracks from a DAT....can anyone help me out fast. If it
doesn't copy them I am going to return it....but I only have till Friday
evening to do it.....thanks.
Drew
From: "John Carroll" <john_8888@hotmail.com>
Subject: Sound Proofing Material
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 04:11:13
OK. I know this is a little off the trail but,
I figure that some people on the list doing professional
recording and might be able to help me out.
I am building a small recording studio and I was wondering
what kind of sound proofing material I could use on the walls.
Cost is an issue but not the only one. The room is well insulated (R19) but
need to prevent reverberation. Any ideas?
email me privately-
Thanks in advance for your help
BWT (2) B&P Blue Floyd 21 January 2001
Nakamichi 300(CP1s)>Denecke AD-20>M1>CDR-W33
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From: "Thomas Reizes" <treizes1@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: ISO 1 tkt: Trey@Red Rocks 7/17or18 for Japanese Dathead
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:44:36 -0400
Some fine Japanese dat heads are coming in for West coast trey shows and are
in need of one ticket for Red Rocks. Either nite or both!
This ticket need not be a taper ticket, just a ticket to the shows.
If you can help, please get in touch with me.
These cats are coming all the way from the OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD for a few
weeks of tasty tunes from sierra thru to red rocks and then heading home.
Help'em enjoy their american tour.
Thanks a lot, enjoy the summer and it's glorious musical bounty!
Peace, tr
From: "Frank" <frankn1@innernet.net>
Subject: Indianapolis, IN stealth taper needed
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 05:29:02 -0400
Hello-
I am trying to find a stealth taper in Indianapolis for a show coming up
in July. If anyone could help me out, please email me at
frankn1@innernet.net
Frank
From: "L. Sean Kennedy" <liam@fedney.tech.xo.com>
Subject: list housekeeping (call for self-editing)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:18:49 -0400
Hey folks,
I want to suggest informally that we limit ticket posts and other
"personal requests" to ensure they are related to taping
activities. I think we do fairly well on this and Tom's post
is reasonable, but it reminded me to clarify this point. DAT-heads
is a large list, so its necessary to focus on taping related pursuits.
WRT to tickets the following seems to make most sense:
- I can't make this show do you want my ticket before I offer it elsewhere
- trading taper tickets for tours that do so
- occasional grovel if you have tried all other avenues
and feel success via dat-heads is likely
Among others, I have sucessfully used the list for ticket stuff,
so I do think its a valuable resource, but it needs to be kept
in moderation to not drown out technical discussions.
I was a little disappointed with some of the comments about
bootleggers. Most of that seemed to sort itself out, but this
is another case where some self editing would ensure you don't
stereotype individuals... and also cries to "out them... out
them" -- ferverent mob behavior usually lends itself to bad
justice. If someone believes a person is selling tapes and
is trying to trade on dat-heads, I suggest sending them a
clear-headed note and depending on the response warning other
folks on the list clearly.
I will finish including taping related "personal request". :-) Is anyone
going to see Bebel Gilberto at the Becon in NYC tonight or in San
Francisco on 7/5,6? Also NYC Summer Stage (free, Rumsey Playfield;
fire engine noises are free too :-)) on 8/09? I would be really
interested in setting up a trade and I suspect all will be good shows.
Sean
From: "geoff nicholson" <geofry@speedsite.com>
Subject: ISO European tapers for EX GIRL 2001 TOUR
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:58:30 -0600
Can anyone tape any of theses EX GIRL shows. Cool female trio from Japan,
man or astroman meets opera meets punk, with some other space age stuff
mixed in. Any FM tapers for the Roskilde Festival? or the Dour Fest? I have
much noise to trade. Ex Girl doesn't seem to care about taping.
thanks,
Geoff
Ex Girl 2001 Euro Tour
6/28 UK/London The Garage(upstairs)
6/30 Denmark/Roskilde- Roskilde festival
7/1 Germany/Bochum Die Zeche
7/2 Germany/Berlin Columbia Fritz
7/3 Germany/Frankfurt am Main Batcschkapp
7/4 Switzerland/D+drich? Rote Fabrik
7/5 Czech Republic/Cesky Brod Rock for People Festival
7/7 Belgium/Dour- Dour festival
From: "Lane Kelly" <lkelly@infi.net>
Subject: taped shows
Reply-to: lkelly@infi.net
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:06:41 -0400
This post is forwarded for someone who didn't have access to DAT-heads at the
moment. Please send all replies to him. Thanks
From: Andrew Fogelsong <{HYPERLINK "mailto:fridge3@juno.com"}fridge3@juno.com>
To: {HYPERLINK "mailto:dat-heads@datheads.phish.net"}dat-heads@datheads.phish.net
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 04:04:39 -0500
Subject: taped shows
I won't include everything, just the more recent ones. All were taped using a
DSM-6S>PA-6LC3>M1 setup.
Autechre - 5/21/01 Mercury @ Jazz; Austin, TX - 65min
Grandaddy - 6/11/01 The Backyard; Austin, TX - 35min
Coldplay - 6/11/01 The Backyard; Austin, TX - 75min
Mouse on Mars - 6/12/01 Stubb's; Austin, TX - 65min
Tortoise - 6/12/01 Stubb's; Austin, TX - 90min
Mogwai - 6/16/01 La Zona Rosa; Austin, TX - 110min (my best recording
ever)
Mogwai - 6/17/01 Trees; Dallas, TX (got a sbd patch, and will only trade for
others) - 110min
Radiohead - 6/18/01 Woodlands Pavilion; Houston, TX - 120min (~50ft from
right stack)
I can transfer any of these to cdr, and prefer to trade them out that way, as I can
normalize and EQ on my computer if possible/necessary.
I'm interested in Radiohead from the US tour going on right now, but only from
sources up front, closer to the stacks. I don't want to listen to distant recordings
from the lawn. I'm also looking for Autechre shows(the earlier the date, the
better, no 2001 please!), Mogwai shows, and Smashing Pumpkins shows I
don't have. I prefer to trade on cdr. We all know DAT is a great format for
taping, but can you listen to it in your car with ease?
Thanks,
Andrew
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From: mikeedmo@voicenet.com
Subject: Re: Better shorten utility?
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 101 12:27:24 -0400 (EDT)
> I have mkw .97 beta (or something) but I'd really like...
> A program that defaults to .shn format, not some proprietary thing.
> A program that accepts a dos command line.
MKW does accept command-line switches, you can specify the compressor
and add queue up files for processing. Details are buried in the
docs somewhere.
Lately though I've been using Monkey's Audio (www.monkeysaudio.com),
another free lossless audio compressor. It's slower and I think
Windows-only, but has better compression than .shn (in "extra high"
mode) and has a command-line version.
-Michael
From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Bass Roll-off
Reply-To: <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:59:08 -0500 (CDT)
I recently upgraded my rig from AT853's (Not the Sound Pro versions,
but the real AT's) with their phantom boxes to a set of Oktava MC-012's
and a Denecke PS-2. Unfortunately, the PS-2 has no bass roll-off like
the AT boxes and I'm looking for a solution when taping bassy shows.
I remember the "build your own binaurals" page had a circuit for this,
but that link is now stale. What inexpensive options are there or
what kind of roll-your-own solutions might I try?
Any comments welcome.
BWT: Lake Trout, Blueberry Hill Duck Room, St. Louis MO 6-12-2001
MC-012 (card X-Y) > Denecke PS-2 > Sony PCM-M1
B&P for first 2 after the digest hits my mailbox.
--
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wayne@hoxnet.com
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From: "Baumgardner, Martin C \(Marty\), NLSOP" <mcbaumgardner@att.com>
Subject: Recording off of Digital Cable
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:02:37 -0500
Need some help. I have a Tascam DA-20mkII recorder and am going from
the digital coax out to the digital coax in of the DA-20. I have the DA-20
SCMS override enabled and all I get is unitelligable noise when I play back.
I have taken the coax (monster cable) and hooked it to my DVD player and all
works fine. Does digital cable use a different type of SCMS than that of
CD's/DVD's? Any help would be much appreciated. Trying to tape some of the
Sessions at 54th off of TRIO. You can either reply back to the list or off
line.
Marty
From: Bryan <bth_away@yahoo.com>
Subject: Mermen/ Big Wreck show NYC This coming Monday (6/25) anyone taping?
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:41:02 -0700 (PDT)
Hey everyone,
I just thought I'd check once again to see if anyone
was planning on taping Big Wreck (the opening-opening
band) at the Mermen show this coming Monday 6/25 at
the Mercury Lounge in NYC (7:30 pm).
If you do happen to be there and are able to record
it please let me know. I'd be very appreciative.
Thanks.
Bryan
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