DAT-heads Digest #987
Contents:
Extras for B&P (Kevin A Kraska)
looking for charlie sievert from dc (UCHAIN319@aol.com)
7-Pin Bible (Len Moskowitz)
FT: King Crimson 7/27/2001 & 7/28/2001 (Adam Aronson)
Computer crash! Lost all mail addresses! ("Joost")
roger waters "tour forest" re-signups for #8 and #9 ("George S.")
ISO Neil Young 2001 in Spain and Portugal ("Richard Hempsall")
High Capacity AA Batteries (William L Stube II)
Re: compressor vs. volume envelope ("Gary Davis")
ISO: Abe from Saturday Pelham (Stuart Gerber)
Za2 24bit Update ("NashPhil")
Selling D8 and Core Sound mics ("Scott Summers")
homemade DA-P1 batteries (John Petroskas)
Neil Young at Fuji Rock fest. in Japan ("Toshitaka Kuniyoshi")
Re: need help w/ a dynamics processing problem (acffhmorst)
FW: Re: Best Software for DAT>PC (Ruderallis@aol.com)
Re: Not quite . . .a newbie (wind noise, head hours) (acffhmorst)
Phil & ABB Set Times ("DRider")
From: Kevin A Kraska <ezkkraska@juno.com>
Subject: Extras for B&P
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:48:22 -0400
I have the following extras on DAT:
10/28/79 AFOB>CM>DAT (90M)
5/3/72 S:Rm,D (some cuts are edited in from Europe '72) (2 60M)
4/5/71 SBDMR>DAT>SoundForge NR>SHN>DAT (90M)
I will take 2 60M and 2 90M unopened, plastic-wrapped Sony or HP DATs,
plus postage to send 'em.
Thanks,
Kevin
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From: UCHAIN319@aol.com
Subject: looking for charlie sievert from dc
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:25:00 EDT
hey charlie. it's dave from boston. my hard drive blew up and i lost your
address - got some good ones for you.
take care,
dave
From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: 7-Pin Bible
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:28:40 -0400 (EDT)
Just wanted to let folks know that we've posted the 7-Pin Bible on our
Web pagsite, as a link from the 7-Pin Cable page.
We've also added a new 7-Pin cable: the XLR-to-7-Pin cable. It accepts
input from professional digital audio devices that use the AES/EBU data
and physical (XLR) format, and works with the latest Sony portable DAT
recorders (TCD-D100 and PCM-M1). See the Web page for more details.
Len Moskowitz Binaural and StealthMics (tm), Cables, Interfaces
Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey http://www.core-sound.com
moskowit@core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
From: Adam Aronson <adam@aronson.net>
Subject: FT: King Crimson 7/27/2001 & 7/28/2001
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:02:02 -0400
Core Sounds -> PCM M1
Looking for other shows from the King Crimson (with or without Tool) Summer
2001 tour or other shows not on my list.
Email privately for details,
Adam
--
Online list of tradable audio:
http://www.aronson.net/audiolist.html
From: "Joost" <J.P.Cornelissen@inter.NL.net>
Subject: Computer crash! Lost all mail addresses!
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:14:00 +0200
Hi,
Because of a severe hard disk crash, I've lost all e-mails and all
addresses... Please give me a reply if you're one of my contacts and you
haven't heard from me in a while, so that I have your address again.
Thanks,
JOOST
From: "George S." <fearless-pigeon@nac.net>
Subject: roger waters "tour forest" re-signups for #8 and #9
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:47:45 -0400
hi everybody,
we are finally up and running again with a stronger system then before so
lets finally pick up were we left off.
as you all know the last show that was sent out (#7 toronto 8/1/99) was
flawed. we are still awaiting one more source for that venue to come in and
then we will use the same tree structure we had the first time to make
things right. again we will send out the discs to the branches and the
leaves in turn will send blanks and postage to the branches for the reburn.
we will contact everyone involved with the tree off list when the time comes
. so now we would like to move foward and tree the boston 8/4/99 and the new
jersey 8/6/99 shows. these two are excellent recordings to say the least.
the boston show is recorded with sonic studios>pa-6lcs-7ml sec 6 next to the
soundboard and is a top notch show. i believe this is also the same
recording used to seed the release on the echoes newsgroup. the homdel show
is right off the master with core sound modified biaugs>bass roll off>sony
d-8 row r sec 102. so everyone wishing to get in on these gems should drop
us a line off list with "tour forest 8+9" as the subject. your email addy,
whether you want to be a branch or a leaf (branches must be able to handle
up to four leaves) and state and country you are from in the body. and yes,
you do have to re-signup for these as the original signups were lost with
the hard drive (we hope you all heeded our advise and backed up your systems
to prevent the hardship we have experienced) )
again we want to thank everyone for being so patient during this down time.
it really make this all worth while when everyone works together .i must
say you all are an excellent group of people and it is an honor to work with
all of you in our quest to share the music. thanks again everyone and hope
you all enjoy what is to come.
shine on
george s.
From: "Richard Hempsall" <richard@hempsall.com>
Subject: ISO Neil Young 2001 in Spain and Portugal
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:56:21 +0200
Still need ANY recording (analogue, MD, DAT, anything would be fine!) of
either of these NYCH shows
for a compilation project -
07-13-2001, Vilar de Mouros Festival, Vila Nova da Cerveira, Minho,
Portugal
07-15-2001, Esparrago Rock Festival, Jerez de la Frontera , Cadiz, Spain
Lots of great stuff to trade, e.g. can arrange for any of the other shows
from this year's tour. If
you have a recording, or a lead on a recording, of either of these, please
get in touch!
Many Thanks, Richard (on behalf of the llama)
From: William L Stube II <wlstube@etree.org>
Subject: High Capacity AA Batteries
Reply-To: wlstube@etree.org
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:57:14 +0000
With all the talk of MD vs. DAT battery life lately, I thought people needing AA's should consider...
http://www.thomasdistributing.com/
They have 1700maH AA batteries and you can buy high-speed charging options as well. One of my friends has been
using these batteries in his d8 for a while, and claims to get 4+ hours of run time with the display light on. I just ordered
mine the other day, so I have no personal accounts. Definately is better than buying a bunch of batteries you can't
recycle. (I have no affiliation with Thomas Distributing, but just bought some batts from there.)
Bill Stube
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: Re: compressor vs. volume envelope
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:15:37 -0700
> I dumped the DAT onto my PC and looking at the WAV you can
> actually see the gradual drop-off in levels. I was wondering what
> type of dynamics processing I can apply to the file (before I
> normalize) it to even out the differences in signal. I'm hoping to
> avoid making a volume envelope. Maybe some sort of compressor/limiter
> filter? Hope one of you can help me salvage an otherwise nice tape.
Why don't you want to make a "volume envelope" - a "hand-drawn"
curve of gain adjustment? I do this all the time. I think manual
gain adjustments are *much better* than compression, because
you're not changing the character of the sound, just the overall
volume.
If the volume change is fairly linear, you can try a simple "fade"
where the fade doesn't start/end at zero. For example, in this case
the volume is going down, so you could fade from 0dB to +15dB.
To get the correct numbers mathematically, highlight a short piece
of the music at "full volume" and get the average (not peak) RMS
level in dB. Do the same thing for the music at the end. Subtract
one from the other, and you have the number of dB that you want
to change.
--G
From: Stuart Gerber <stuart@mindspring.com>
Subject: ISO: Abe from Saturday Pelham
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:13:49 -0400
Hey everyone, I am trying to track down a guy named Abe who let me patch
into his rig Saturday night. He was running some CMC64vs (w/ active
cables) > AD1k ... He was like 10 rows down maybe from the Soundboard tent
and a tad bit off center (more to the right side of the section) There was
also a pair of MBHOs clipped on to the same mic stand and i think in the
end another set of mics had to be clamped when the row in front of him got
kicked outta the seats.
My first set of Saturday has a gap inside Mercy, and it comes back on
towards the end of Mercy. My 2nd set tape is perfect. Abe or anyone else
out there with his tapes that have no flaws please get in touch with me. I
would also like to get some clones of Sunday from Abe as well if
possible..I also would be fine with the Midside rig if your out there
man.(i know it was there Friday night)
Thanks,
Stuart Gerber
I can burn some discs for the help, but it would have to wait a few weeks
since im about to move and I have finals this week.
From: "NashPhil" <phil@nashphil.com>
Subject: Za2 24bit Update
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:46:50 -0500
PHIL WROTE:
Hey there, Not sure if you folks know this or not, but with the right update
to your system, the ZA2 can be used as a 24bit/48k PC Soundcard. It still
has it's limitations, as far as being only usable with really stable systems
that have an ancient ISA slot. BUT, if that sounds like you, check out a Za2
card. I've had mine for 3 years and still love it. Now, I just updated the
driver and installed Win2000pro and it is working like a champ with 24 bit
files. BTW, They are no longer in production as far as I know. They used to
be around 400$new. Anyway, saw Adam's post and I thought I would chime in on
my experiences with the Za2 card. Good Stuff.
Later, PHil
From: roarke <roarke@bigfoot.com>
Subject: ZA2 for Sale
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 18:02:41 -0700
Hi folks, just noting again that I have a ZA2 for sale. I've been pleased
with it etc., but I'm in graduate school right now and really need to unload
some gear. I have the original, box, manuals, etc. Any, I promise, offer
will be considered as the semester is starting soon. Thanks.
Adam
From: "Scott Summers" <scottsumm@hotmail.com>
Subject: Selling D8 and Core Sound mics
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:57:06
I am looking to sell my Sony D8 (3 to 4 years old/never had any problems
with it) as well as my Core Sound binaural mics (battery box with bass-roll
off with clips for "mounting"). What is the fair market value for these
items these days?
--
Scott
scottsumm@hotmail.com
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From: John Petroskas <jpetroskas@usa.net>
Subject: homemade DA-P1 batteries
Date: 1 Aug 2001 17:06:54 EDT
Klay's post about mini-XLR connectors reminded me to ask for advice about=
building a battery system for my DA-P1. I'm thinking about:
1) snipping the Tascam connector off the DA-P1 wall wart cable, =
2) soldering a male XLR to the wall wart cable and a female XLR to the Ta=
scam
connector's cable, and =
3) soldering a male and a female XLR to 2 cables soldered to an SLA batte=
ry
(one to charge the battery, the other to power the deck).
This way I could attach the Tascam connector cable to the wall wart (for =
home
use), or to the battery (for field use), or attach the wall wart to the
battery (for charging). Has anyone done this? Advice from anyone who has =
built
a battery system for the DA-P1 would be welcomed.
BWT: Cowboy Junkies 7-13-2001 Barrymore Theater, Madison WI. Source is Ge=
ffel
m300s (XY) > Audiomagic Presto II cables > Lunatec V2 > DA-P1 (takes 2 CD=
s).
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From: "Toshitaka Kuniyoshi" <thrak@mocha.ocn.ne.jp>
Subject: Neil Young at Fuji Rock fest. in Japan
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 06:32:18 +0900
Hello DAT Heads,
My friend made a realy nice tape of Neil Young show at "Fuji Rock
Festival 2001" in Niigata(July.28).
The recording is very forward,time is about 150min.
Beyer MCE83 X 2 + PS12V2ch> SONY PCM-M1
He was center in the crowded on the open space. So there are two mic
touch noise at that moment on the tape.
I'm looking for a copy of King Crimson or Neil Young in this tour.
Email me,if you interested in a trade on DAT(only) .Sorry, no time for
B&P right now. Look forward to hearing from you.
Peace Toshi
From: acffhmorst <morst@itis.com>
Subject: Re: need help w/ a dynamics processing problem
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:12:32 -0500
Tim,
It sounds to me as if your pre-amp batteries were dying, but maybe it
was the moisture. . . I've seen level fall-off and it's always been from
stretching the pre-amp battery life in my experience. Could that have
been happening?
Anyhow, I don't see why a volume envelope would not work, although if
you're planning to eventually subject the file to dynamics processing, I
might think you'd want to do it all at once in order to reduce
accumulation of math errors. Just look at the fall-off of levels,
measure the peaks in several spots, then have your volume curve
compensate for the loss you were noticing. If you do use some
compression and/or limiting you'll want to look at average levels too,
in addition to peak levels. With volume envelpoe adjustment, there's no
changing of the dynamics, just a gradual arithmetic shifting of the bits
(AFAIK- which might not be too far!) This gradual shift is what causes
the rounding errors in the math, where the reaminders must be truncated,
or used for some dithering scheme.
(I use pro-tools on a Mac, so I can't give you any software-specific
advice)
good luck, I hope I get corrected and not just flamed if I'm wrong!
-t
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(snip)
By the
> end of 2nd set I was getting really low levels and I had my pre-amp
> cranked. I had an umbrella over my mics but I guess the moisture must
> have clogged up my windscreens or something? Bummer. Opening acts and
> 1st set sound sweet.
>
> Anyhow, I dumped the DAT onto my PC and looking at the WAV you can
> actually see the gradual drop-off in levels. I was wondering what
> type of dynamics processing I can apply to the file (before I
> normalize) it to even out the differences in signal. I'm hoping to
> avoid making a volume envelope. Maybe some sort of compressor/limiter
> filter? Hope one of you can help me salvage an otherwise nice tape.
> Oh, BTW, I have both SoundForge 4.5 and Cool Edit Pro 1.2. Thanks!!
From: Ruderallis@aol.com
Subject: FW: Re: Best Software for DAT>PC
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 19:12:27 EDT
Samplitude is the shit if you have a chance to use it. But the ~800 dollars
is not worth the money. For normalizing and the eq's on samplitude 24/96
can't be beat. They are like no other I have used to be able to manipulate
the curve like that is out of this world. Fortunately you can sample
samplitude for free. And I do think that you can back date your clock to
keep it going.
WAIT THOUGH! The FREE CDWave is the BEST devise for DAT to WAV conversion.
That is because it is hassle free when it comes to sector boundaries. This
is what I do. I use CDWave for the conversion and track splitting; then I
open Samplitude to normalize and whatever other destructive things I may or
may not do. The thing with samplitude is that you can have a virtual
project which the demo version does not really let you utilize. But the
demo version is still sweet and it is way better than sound forge and the
other less expensive programs. Although, I have been told that sound forge
is just as good for normalizing the show. I would say if you tape some
sonically clean and "sound" (ie not lame) music, you should be fine with
sound forge if you only normalize. I would still use cdwave for the
conversion though and then soundforge for the normalizing. If your tapes
are at adequate recording levels, then you do not even need sound forge and
you can just use cdwave and it is FREE. There are good faqs at
www.etree.org and look at their faqs. If you are not into SHN (you should
be!) They are better for archiving shows than wav/cd. But if you just want
to DAE then you can just skip the SHN conversion and then rip your cd.
Basically the deal is that many forms of editing are destructive. Therefor
everything beyond conversion and normalization should not be done unless
using a higher end program like samp. I would stay away from dehiss on
soundforge. I have an Old And In The Way rehearsal from bear's collection
and I think he ruined it by putting it through TWO passes of dehiss. I was
sitting at my computer with samplitude and wishing that I could edit the
source (SHN/WAV) and not the dedehissed source. Anyhow it is still a neat
tape to listen to but .... you know... not worth trying to fix at this
point. I do not feel that it is significant if other destructive edits are
done after or before normalization. Actually, with a really low recording
level, it is easier to edit after normalization. I have no problem
doctoring up a bad recording which has been normalized. Therefor, in my
opinion, there is no problem seeding normalized shows (using programs like
soundforg). The problem is when you seed something over edited with a poor
program which can not be improved upon later with a better program and then
reseeded if worthy;)
Hope this helps;)
David Ziff
In a message dated 7/27/2001 4:13:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net writes:
From: Keith Forman <kfor5311@postoffice.uri.edu>
Subject: Best Software for DAT>PC
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:42:31 -0400
Howdy,
I was wondering if anyone could make a good recommendation as to
software for going DAT>PC. Sound Forge and Red Roaster both seem good but
they are both real expensive? Any suggestions.
Keith
.
From: acffhmorst <morst@itis.com>
Subject: Re: Not quite . . .a newbie (wind noise, head hours)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:22:08 -0500
I have a SV-3700, similar but older then the 3800, and this is from
memory- If you aren't comfortable messing in the software settings of
your deck, you should be very careful when you do this. I have no idea
how much damage you can do this way- probably nothing permanent, but it
could make your deck work weird. . .
hold down both "counter mode" and "counter reset" buttons while you
press and release "pause" this brings up the diagnostic mode- you may
then use the "counter mode" to page through (i think it's) 10 screens of
info. . . . one of these is head hours, others include error rate
(while playing), output level adjustment from -10 to +4, digital output
mode- aes or iec (aka s/pdif), digital connector mode - RCA or 3-pin XLR
connector, and a few other interesting and possibly incomprehensible
things like a continuous margin indicator which goes too fast to read!
hope this helps you! one of the readings in there is head hours, you
can probably figure it out by process of elimination- speaking of which,
I think the one which controls SCMS is the one that says 00P00!
-tom
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2) How do you find out the measured head usage on the SV-3800? I believe
the Menu + wheel gives this information for the PCM-R500.
From: "DRider" <Hawkwind@mediaone.net>
Subject: Phil & ABB Set Times
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:30:10 -0400
Hey Now!
It would be awesome if someone could post the set times for the first Phil &
Friends / ABB show tomorrow (8/2/01) night.
Many tapers are curious about this important fact.
I will be heading up to Charlotte after work on Friday.
Please "cc" me in your post, so I can check out the info before I leave.
{ The Digest may post TOO late, otherwise }
I will forward the info to all the tapers that I know in the Southeast ")
If anyone else needs this info, please send me a private note and I will
forward it on to you........
Thanx!
Happy Jerry Day!
Darrin
Jacksonville, FL
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