DAT-heads Digest #4, Volume #6 Mon, 13 Aug 01 16:50:01 EDT Contents: Pete Yorn (Smashmark@aol.com) Bill Wyman Rhythm Kings (Smashmark@aol.com) sony D7 backlight (Dave Morrison) Richie Havens/Fred Neil wanted ("paul gluchanicz") RE: Mitsui CDRs .49 cents each. (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?L_Se=E1n_Kennedy?=) apologies for the weird From: line ("Sean Kennedy") ISO New Order (area: one) Gorge/Devore (GaoBest@aol.com) Gillian Welch / David Rawlings - Park West 8/12/01 ("Alan Goldenberg") please go tape cool water canyon ("Peter K Min") Re: Recording From The Soundboard (Neil Corkindale) ISO RatDog 7/10 (augwest) Re: newbie questions (acffhmorst) Grateful Dead at MSG 9-88 CD Tree: Structure is READY! (NRC, ("Venezia, Frank P") Cassette House posts ("Art Munson") Sound Card & CDR Writer Advice (Gear119348@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smashmark@aol.com Subject: Pete Yorn Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:04:42 EDT Has anyone recorded Pete Yorn on the recent/current tour with Ours? i would love the NYC shows, but any show would be great!! email me at smashmark@aol.com thanx! ------------------------------ From: Smashmark@aol.com Subject: Bill Wyman Rhythm Kings Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:24:24 EDT Im looking for recordings from the recent Bill Wyman shows......specifically the Town Hall show from 8/10. lots to trade.. email me at smashmark@aol.com thanx!! ------------------------------ From: Dave Morrison Subject: sony D7 backlight Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:46:41 -0400 >The cheapest and easiest way to dim the back light is to take a piece >of Saran-Wrap type of plastic film, "paint" it with a red, permanent >magic marker, let it dry, fold it in half (so that you will be looking >through two layers of Saran Wrap), then cut to size and tape it over >the display. A red marker works much better than a black marker. >There was a dat-head who did a bulk purchase some years back of film >used in the stage lighting industry, but this seemed to cut too much >light for my taste. With the magic marker and saran-wrap you have very >good control of the light attenuation depending on the number of layers >of saran wrap you use. If you have a theatrical lighting supplier in your area, ask them for a "Roscolux" gel swatch book. They're free (usually) and you'll have more than 100 colors and misc. diffusers to choose from. The filters measure 3 1/4" by 1 1/4"...hope that's big enough for your use. Dave http://www.morrisonphotographics.com ------------------------------ From: "paul gluchanicz" Subject: Richie Havens/Fred Neil wanted Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:02:10 Anyone out there has any dats/cdrs of Richie Havens or Fred Neil for trade?? have tons of other artists for trade. Please let me know. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?L_Se=E1n_Kennedy?= Subject: RE: Mitsui CDRs .49 cents each. Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Se=E1n_Kennedy?= Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:04:31 -0400 --On Monday, August 13, 2001 8:59 AM -0400 American-Digital wrote: > The issue I brought up > whether or not this vendor sends SPAM to the newsgroup. (From Message 1: And by the way I sell Mitsui too for $.xx...) Cassette-house has participated in DAT-heads for a number of years (~7-8) and made fairly regular technical contributions, mostly in the form of sponsored papers. The issue of commercial postings has been addressed a number of times. Assuming Art also provides some technical contribution his current level of commerical posting is within what the community previously considered ok (and much lower than some vendors). There are certain vendors that "announce" a bit more than my tastes would allow or mention their solution too frequently, but the rub is these vendors also provide regular technical contribution. Vendors that do not participate on DAT-heads should not be sending purely commercial stuff to the list. There are some truely excellent vendors that we benefit from, yet never post here -- Wind over the Earth, Oade Brothers, and Terrapin. Aside from Terrapin, (e.g. gathering of the vibes... advertising on the DAT-heads page) these vendors have relied entirely on word of mouth. It is my opinion that American Digital and Masterpiece AV, as well as Les Gordon, do send commercial information to the list. That is fine, you participate in the list and we do not censor. The community does appreciate vendors who balance both commercial posting with technical contribution, so I encourage all of these vendors plus Cassette House to also discuss live taping. Furthermore when you say something like "KAO is the best tape ever" (neutral example), we expect some justification. Lastly, ideally a strictly commercial posting is either a sale or announcement of a new product. > My question remains the same. Why can't Munson > play by the rules? Dan do you set the rules? I thought your concern was "is this SPAM" ... or was it "its not fair for this group of vendors..." I cannot follow your "question" becuase you are not faithful to a single point in either of your posting. > Masterpiece, Terrapin and Am-Dig play by the > rules. Which when you think about what Cassette > House does, it doesn't seem fair. If all the different > vendors started doing what Munson does, this news > group would be the worse for it. DAT-heads has over 10 years of history and we have tried to address this issue several times in the past. When DAT-heads started out we were based on the NSFnet which only allowed non-commercial use. All for-profit transactions and mentions were strictly prohibited (and zealously enforced). At that time we had enough active participatants to write several FAQs. DAT tape purchases were largely done collectively, sometimes at a cost to the person arranging a purchase. Initially several of the "Head" tape vendors refused to stock DAT (and dumped several people's orders) because of the complications/margins involved in DAT supply then. Commercial announcements were generally posted by someone that would not profit from the experience -- for instance there was someone who let us know about changes to Len Moskowit's microphone line, and prices were summarized in the periodic market posting. After the advent of a commercial Internet there was no longer concern about people losing their jobs over commercial postings (which I almost did over a VP that briefly found out about and joined the phish mailing list). The general feeling was that announcements of sales or price reductions was ok on DAT-heads... that competition for the DAT-heads market was bringing us better prices than we would otherwise get on our own and at a lot less effort. The trend has continued where the majority of the original participants cannot spend the same amount of time either taping or participating in the list. The vendors have filled the gap of providing continuity between those who are brand new to DAT taping and energetic, and those who have experience. In the past it was my intent to include a web sign-on for DAT-heads that also maintained a "customer notification" option for individual vendors, but the slowing of subscriptions (~5/wk today with some departures) and the desire to keep the technical contribution of our vendors makes me skeptical this is worth the effort. Right now the policy is fair -- there is no censorship. If the opportunity to post like Art does encourages yourself to send us more technical postings based on your experiences, I think we are better off from it. Price war replies to individual vendor's postings are a possible liability. However, I don't think this will ruin the list for two reasons. 1) People will generally be happy to get better prices (and will notice non-significant reductions) 2) I do not think you folks operate with enough margin for such wars to last very long before you stop making money. ============= In your message you base your argument as being concerned about fairness for a class of vendors. I appreciate you bringing that up, but am somewhat skeptical because I have seen a lot of petty bickering and occasional personal attacks between the vendors over the years. If Am-Dig, Cassette House, Masterpiece, Sonic Sense, Gary/DAT-store, Klay, and Les are willing to constructively discuss this off-list, I will sponsor the dialog. However, otherwise I think the only fair thing is not to censor and rely on the vendors individually to provide the balance between commercial and technical posting. It is my personal feeling that Art has done ok at this, but more technical contact from him, you, and all the others would be even better. Sean ------------------------------ From: "Sean Kennedy" Subject: apologies for the weird From: line Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:09:15 -0400 I use the Gaelic accent on Sean these days in email, but it doesn't play well with the digest so future posts will just have "Plain Sean." Hopefully the content was worth reading. Sean ------------------------------ From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: ISO New Order (area: one) Gorge/Devore Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:13:47 EDT Hey people, I'm (still) coveting and looking for New Order 2001 performances for Fuji, Gorge, and Devore shows, as well as their recent Koln show (I may have some friends who taped it). I am mostly concerned with Gorge and Devore (incl. Moby one-song duet) for now, to complete their area: one appearances. I taped both Shoreline and Vancouver gigs very close <10 feet> to stage (PCM-M1 and Sonic Studios DSM-6L) and have about 360 dats with other items besides New Order (sorry, I have zero Dead or DMB). Alas I have zilch from SPumpkins aside from their 1-25-96 SD gig. If anyone did tape these shows and is willing to do a trade, please email me directly. bwt: b/p for assorted new Order 1985/1987 Australia/NZ gigs, from analog first-gen tapes, onto DAT or 1-track CDR. I still have to start copying these shows to DAT for myself, so can clone another dat or cdr at the same time. Many thanks in advance, and sorry to deluge this list so much with my New Order desires. Cheers Michael Siou ------------------------------ From: "Alan Goldenberg" Subject: Gillian Welch / David Rawlings - Park West 8/12/01 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:24:26 -0500 Looking for anyone else that might have been there last night. My tape jammed mid-way into the first set. MTOIE. Thanks -Alan BWT: Gillian / David - Davis, CA 8/11/98 ------------------------------ From: "Peter K Min" Subject: please go tape cool water canyon Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:09:50 -0700 Cool Water Canyon Friday, August 24, 2001 9:00PM Show at 9pm** The Great American Music Hall this is possibly their last show and should be a GR8 one. I'd be interested in trades and I'm pretty sure the band would be cool with SBD access too. thanks, Pete ------------------------------ From: Neil Corkindale Subject: Re: Recording From The Soundboard Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:35:13 -0700 I've heard that you can get a device that will allow you to tune into the FM signal that is sent from the front of the stage back to the soundboard / mixer. Does anyone know where I can buy one of these? Thanks Neil ------------------------------ From: augwest Subject: ISO RatDog 7/10 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:48:58 -0500 Hola! Due to road construction we were late for the start of RatDog (Missouri 7/10)....we really only need the first 30-45 min on DAT ...but I guess we'll need to have the whole show.....can anyone help....I do have a little to trade or will gladly do a B&P. Thanks, Jeff Oklahoma City ------------------------------ From: acffhmorst Subject: Re: newbie questions Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:52:29 -0500 I'll see what I can do here, by the numbers. . . 1. Audio Grade tapes have better shells, the tape is the same material, but the DDS tape is probably better, since it must pass more stringent testing than the audio grade. . . I heard that the Audio grade is from the ends of the pancake (big roll of tape that gets loaded into the shells) and the DDS data tapes are made from the middles of the reels, where the error rate is presumably lower. The shells of the DDs tapes are said to rub the tape and scrape off some oxide material, this is called "shedding" and can eventually dirty the heads of the DAT deck, if you maintain your machine periodically, this should not be too much trouble. 2 hours of audio tape is called a 120, some brands have a 124 or 125 which is a few minutes longer). DDS tapes go by physical length. . . a 90 meter tape is 3 hours, a 60 meter is about 2:02:25 on my machine (that's the Sony DG60P) Your confusion must have resulted from a 60 meter box with a 94 minute tape in it. This stuff really does make sense I tells ya. 2. For board patches, you have a great number of options, another one to consider might be a stereo 1/4" plug to a stereo 1/8" (since that is what I assume your deck uses, since that what you'll be adapting the XLR's to. . .) this could be used to go from any headphone output to your tape, but if the engineer uses the solo-listen feature, you would get a very weird result- whatever channels he's soloing would be the entirety of the feed. . . this would not normally be good, but in a situation where all other outputs from the board were filled or unusable, you could get some direct signal. . . also, headphone outputs are variable, so if your deck can't take the full input level from a pro console, you could use a lower level headphone signal (if the engineer would promise not to break the feed!) you could also get some attenuators to lower the signal down to where the deck could take it. 3. The A->D converter sets levels, a digital patch means you just get teh conputer's numbers, so you are correct here. 4. Duracells last longer than energizer, (the c-cells are slightly different size, I don't know about the AA's, but you might want to pick one and stay with it, so your battery terminals are as reliable as possible.) Walgreens house brand is made by duracell, and the Ultras (lithium cells) will give you much longer running times. With alkalines you should be able to go over 3 hours on 4 freshies, In an emergency, you can just change two batteries without removing the sled, if the show's almost over and you have a battery cut. . . good luck! -t On Saturday, August 11, 2001, at 11:50 AM, Digestifier wrote: > > > From: "paully" > Subject: newbie questions > Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 11:47:14 -0400 > > > Howdy folks, just recently got a D8 and have a few questions: > > 1) What is the preferred media for taping? DDS tapes? I hear audio > grade is > much better quality, I dont mind paying for quality. I would love to > get > specific brands, 60m? 90m? I've seen 60m that were 94 min. and i've > seen 60m > that were 2 hours of tapes? I'm confused. > > 2) What are the most common board patches? (in bars and clubs) I assume > bands in bars and clubs use the board that'a already there but what are > the > most common connections? I have 1/4", RCA and plan on getting a XLR(m) > to > 1/8" cable. > > 3) From what I can tell I would use my line in for sbd and if I patch > into > someonelses rig (via a 7-pin I/O) I dont need to touch my record level > at > all? > > 4) Power: For now I plan on using the AA batteries and then in a couple > months or so invest in a battery pack. How long will the D8 average > with the > AA? Regular duracell or energizer. I've seen different stuff on the > times > but I would like to get feedback from people who use the AA. I've heard > from > 2-4 hours. > > Thanks for the time, I tape my first show 8/17 so I just want it to > come out > decent so any other input or tips is more than welcome :) > > peace and zambi :) > paully > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: "Venezia, Frank P" Subject: Grateful Dead at MSG 9-88 CD Tree: Structure is READY! (NRC, Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:52:14 -0400 hey now, everyone. sorry for the BIG delay, but it's been a long, hot summer in the northeast.... the structure for our "Grateful Dead at MSG 9-88 CD Tree" is ready, and it's at: http://fvenezia.homestead.com/files/msg_9_88/MSG_9_88_tree.htm i should have the track listings posted in a day or three...and hopefully some nice cd artwork, too! which is to say, if you've got a nice shot of King Kong on top of MSG from this run, please get in touch with me ASAP. i should have the SHN's out to our top-level branches by the end of this week... thanks to everyone who's a part of this tree. Frank ============================================================================== This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. 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Depends on your definition of SPAM. Not everyone's is the same. Many people define SPAM as cross posting irrelevant material ("Earn $5K a day!!!") to multiple newsgroups. > Why can't Munson play by the rules? Whose rules? American-Digital's? How convenient for them. I do try to post only DAT tape or CDR prices that many times, other vendors don't have and/or when I have what I think is a great price. Past examples are HP/Maxell 1 pass tapes at $1.50 each, Fuji bulk Dat tape at $2.00 each and now the Mitsuis at .49 cents. As a consumer (yes I am one!) I am always searching for the best price, as I believe most folks do. If this offends most people on this list, then the moderator always has the option of kicking me off the list. In over 10 years, this has never happened. The folks on DAT-Heads have always been very good to me and I do appreciate the support over these many years. Anyway this is my last post on *this* topic. Take care Art ------------------------------ From: Gear119348@aol.com Subject: Sound Card & CDR Writer Advice Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:53:48 EDT Hi Everyone Well the time has come for me to piece together a new computer and I was wondering if anybody has experience with the Sound Blaster Live Platinum 5.1. All I really need is a "spdif in" interface with 44.1 capability to accomodate my trusty D-8. I noticed that this unit has been designed so that the jack panel is mounted on the front of your computer which is also a nice feature. I know that there are some fancy soundcards out there but I'm not really interested in buying a lot of features I'll never use. The $199 price tag is appealling too. On another note. Is Plextor still the king of CD writers or is the competition making some decent writers also? I'll almost certainly go with an EIDE writer unless there is a strong argument to go SCSI. Any help or opinions would be greatly appreciated. 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