DAT-heads Digest #4
Contents:
Pete Yorn (Smashmark@aol.com)
Bill Wyman Rhythm Kings (Smashmark@aol.com)
sony D7 backlight (Dave Morrison)
Richie Havens/Fred Neil wanted ("paul gluchanicz")
RE: Mitsui CDRs .49 cents each. (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?L_Se=E1n_Kennedy?=)
apologies for the weird From: line ("Sean Kennedy")
ISO New Order (area: one) Gorge/Devore (GaoBest@aol.com)
Gillian Welch / David Rawlings - Park West 8/12/01 ("Alan Goldenberg")
please go tape cool water canyon ("Peter K Min")
Re: Recording From The Soundboard (Neil Corkindale)
ISO RatDog 7/10 (augwest)
Re: newbie questions (acffhmorst)
Grateful Dead at MSG 9-88 CD Tree: Structure is READY! (NRC, ("Venezia, Frank P")
Cassette House posts ("Art Munson")
Sound Card & CDR Writer Advice (Gear119348@aol.com)
From: Smashmark@aol.com
Subject: Pete Yorn
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:04:42 EDT
Has anyone recorded Pete Yorn on the recent/current tour with Ours?
i would love the NYC shows, but any show would be great!!
email me at smashmark@aol.com
thanx!
From: Smashmark@aol.com
Subject: Bill Wyman Rhythm Kings
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:24:24 EDT
Im looking for recordings from the recent Bill Wyman shows......specifically
the Town Hall show from 8/10.
lots to trade..
email me at smashmark@aol.com
thanx!!
From: Dave Morrison <davemor@gte.net>
Subject: sony D7 backlight
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:46:41 -0400
>The cheapest and easiest way to dim the back light is to take a piece
>of Saran-Wrap type of plastic film, "paint" it with a red, permanent
>magic marker, let it dry, fold it in half (so that you will be looking
>through two layers of Saran Wrap), then cut to size and tape it over
>the display. A red marker works much better than a black marker.
>There was a dat-head who did a bulk purchase some years back of film
>used in the stage lighting industry, but this seemed to cut too much
>light for my taste. With the magic marker and saran-wrap you have very
>good control of the light attenuation depending on the number of layers
>of saran wrap you use.
If you have a theatrical lighting supplier in your area, ask them for a
"Roscolux" gel swatch book. They're free (usually) and you'll have more than
100 colors and misc. diffusers to choose from. The filters measure 3 1/4" by
1 1/4"...hope that's big enough for your use.
Dave
http://www.morrisonphotographics.com
From: "paul gluchanicz" <paulphish@hotmail.com>
Subject: Richie Havens/Fred Neil wanted
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:02:10
Anyone out there has any dats/cdrs of Richie Havens or Fred Neil for trade??
have tons of other artists for trade. Please let me know.
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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?L_Se=E1n_Kennedy?= <liam@xo.com>
Subject: RE: Mitsui CDRs .49 cents each.
Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Se=E1n_Kennedy?= <liam@fedney.tech.xo.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:04:31 -0400
--On Monday, August 13, 2001 8:59 AM -0400 American-Digital
<dan@am-dig.com> wrote:
> The issue I brought up
> whether or not this vendor sends SPAM to the newsgroup.
(From Message 1: And by the way I sell Mitsui too for $.xx...)
Cassette-house has participated in DAT-heads for a
number of years (~7-8) and made fairly regular technical
contributions, mostly in the form of sponsored papers.
The issue of commercial postings has been addressed a
number of times. Assuming Art also provides some technical
contribution his current level of commerical posting is
within what the community previously considered ok (and much
lower than some vendors). There are certain vendors that
"announce" a bit more than my tastes would allow or mention
their solution too frequently, but the rub is these vendors
also provide regular technical contribution.
Vendors that do not participate on DAT-heads should
not be sending purely commercial stuff to the list.
There are some truely excellent vendors that we benefit
from, yet never post here -- Wind over the Earth,
Oade Brothers, and Terrapin. Aside from Terrapin,
(e.g. gathering of the vibes... advertising on the DAT-heads
page) these vendors have relied entirely on word of mouth.
It is my opinion that American Digital and Masterpiece
AV, as well as Les Gordon, do send commercial information
to the list. That is fine, you participate in the list
and we do not censor. The community does appreciate
vendors who balance both commercial posting with technical
contribution, so I encourage all of these vendors plus
Cassette House to also discuss live taping. Furthermore
when you say something like "KAO is the best tape ever"
(neutral example), we expect some justification. Lastly,
ideally a strictly commercial posting is either a sale or
announcement of a new product.
> My question remains the same. Why can't Munson
> play by the rules?
Dan do you set the rules? I thought your concern was
"is this SPAM" ... or was it "its not fair for this
group of vendors..." I cannot follow your "question"
becuase you are not faithful to a single point in
either of your posting.
> Masterpiece, Terrapin and Am-Dig play by the
> rules. Which when you think about what Cassette
> House does, it doesn't seem fair. If all the different
> vendors started doing what Munson does, this news
> group would be the worse for it.
DAT-heads has over 10 years of history and we have
tried to address this issue several times in the past.
When DAT-heads started out we were based on the NSFnet
which only allowed non-commercial use. All for-profit
transactions and mentions were strictly prohibited (and
zealously enforced). At that time we had enough active
participatants to write several FAQs. DAT tape purchases
were largely done collectively, sometimes at a cost to
the person arranging a purchase. Initially several of the
"Head" tape vendors refused to stock DAT (and dumped several
people's orders) because of the complications/margins involved
in DAT supply then. Commercial announcements were generally
posted by someone that would not profit from the experience --
for instance there was someone who let us know about changes
to Len Moskowit's microphone line, and prices were summarized
in the periodic market posting.
After the advent of a commercial Internet there was
no longer concern about people losing their jobs
over commercial postings (which I almost did over a
VP that briefly found out about and joined the phish
mailing list). The general feeling was that announcements
of sales or price reductions was ok on DAT-heads...
that competition for the DAT-heads market was bringing us
better prices than we would otherwise get on our own and
at a lot less effort.
The trend has continued where the majority of the
original participants cannot spend the same amount
of time either taping or participating in the list.
The vendors have filled the gap of providing
continuity between those who are brand new to DAT
taping and energetic, and those who have experience.
In the past it was my intent to include a web
sign-on for DAT-heads that also maintained a "customer
notification" option for individual vendors, but the
slowing of subscriptions (~5/wk today with some
departures) and the desire to keep the technical contribution
of our vendors makes me skeptical this is worth the effort.
Right now the policy is fair -- there is no censorship.
If the opportunity to post like Art does encourages
yourself to send us more technical postings based on
your experiences, I think we are better off from it.
Price war replies to individual vendor's postings are
a possible liability. However, I don't think this
will ruin the list for two reasons. 1) People will
generally be happy to get better prices (and will
notice non-significant reductions) 2) I do not think
you folks operate with enough margin for such wars
to last very long before you stop making money.
=============
In your message you base your argument as being
concerned about fairness for a class of vendors.
I appreciate you bringing that up, but am somewhat
skeptical because I have seen a lot of petty bickering
and occasional personal attacks between the vendors over
the years. If Am-Dig, Cassette House, Masterpiece, Sonic
Sense, Gary/DAT-store, Klay, and Les are willing to
constructively discuss this off-list, I will sponsor
the dialog.
However, otherwise I think the only fair thing is not to
censor and rely on the vendors individually to provide the
balance between commercial and technical posting. It
is my personal feeling that Art has done ok at this, but
more technical contact from him, you, and all the others
would be even better.
Sean
From: "Sean Kennedy" <liam@xo.com>
Subject: apologies for the weird From: line
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:09:15 -0400
I use the Gaelic accent on Sean these days in
email, but it doesn't play well with the digest
so future posts will just have "Plain Sean."
Hopefully the content was worth reading.
Sean
From: GaoBest@aol.com
Subject: ISO New Order (area: one) Gorge/Devore
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:13:47 EDT
Hey people,
I'm (still) coveting and looking for New Order 2001 performances for Fuji,
Gorge, and Devore shows, as well as their recent Koln show (I may have some
friends who taped it).
I am mostly concerned with Gorge and Devore (incl. Moby one-song duet) for
now, to complete their area: one appearances. I taped both Shoreline and
Vancouver gigs very close <10 feet> to stage (PCM-M1 and Sonic Studios
DSM-6L) and have about 360 dats with other items besides New Order (sorry, I
have zero Dead or DMB). Alas I have zilch from SPumpkins aside from their
1-25-96 SD gig.
If anyone did tape these shows and is willing to do a trade, please email me
directly.
bwt: b/p for assorted new Order 1985/1987 Australia/NZ gigs, from analog
first-gen tapes, onto DAT or 1-track CDR. I still have to start copying
these shows to DAT for myself, so can clone another dat or cdr at the same
time.
Many thanks in advance, and sorry to deluge this list so much with my New
Order desires.
Cheers
Michael Siou
From: "Alan Goldenberg" <airtaxi@mediaone.net>
Subject: Gillian Welch / David Rawlings - Park West 8/12/01
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:24:26 -0500
Looking for anyone else that might have been there last night.
My tape jammed mid-way into the first set. MTOIE.
Thanks -Alan
BWT: Gillian / David - Davis, CA 8/11/98
From: "Peter K Min" <pmin@rwsc.com>
Subject: please go tape cool water canyon
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:09:50 -0700
Cool Water Canyon
Friday, August 24, 2001 9:00PM
Show at 9pm**
The Great American Music Hall
this is possibly their last show and should be a GR8 one. I'd be
interested in trades and I'm pretty sure the band would be cool with SBD
access too.
thanks, Pete
From: Neil Corkindale <neilc1@home.com>
Subject: Re: Recording From The Soundboard
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:35:13 -0700
I've heard that you can get a device that will allow you to tune into the FM
signal that is sent from the front of the stage back to the soundboard /
mixer.
Does anyone know where I can buy one of these?
Thanks
Neil
From: augwest <augwest@telepath.com>
Subject: ISO RatDog 7/10
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:48:58 -0500
Hola!
Due to road construction we were late for the start of RatDog (Missouri
7/10)....we really only need the first 30-45 min on DAT ...but I guess
we'll need to have the whole show.....can anyone help....I do have a
little to trade or will gladly do a B&P.
Thanks,
Jeff
Oklahoma City
From: acffhmorst <morst@itis.com>
Subject: Re: newbie questions
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:52:29 -0500
I'll see what I can do here, by the numbers. . .
1. Audio Grade tapes have better shells, the tape is the same material,
but the DDS tape is probably better, since it must pass more stringent
testing than the audio grade. . . I heard that the Audio grade is from
the ends of the pancake (big roll of tape that gets loaded into the
shells) and the DDS data tapes are made from the middles of the reels,
where the error rate is presumably lower. The shells of the DDs tapes
are said to rub the tape and scrape off some oxide material, this is
called "shedding" and can eventually dirty the heads of the DAT deck, if
you maintain your machine periodically, this should not be too much
trouble. 2 hours of audio tape is called a 120, some brands have a 124
or 125 which is a few minutes longer). DDS tapes go by physical
length. . . a 90 meter tape is 3 hours, a 60 meter is about 2:02:25 on
my machine (that's the Sony DG60P) Your confusion must have resulted
from a 60 meter box with a 94 minute tape in it. This stuff really does
make sense I tells ya.
2. For board patches, you have a great number of options, another one
to consider might be a stereo 1/4" plug to a stereo 1/8" (since that is
what I assume your deck uses, since that what you'll be adapting the
XLR's to. . .) this could be used to go from any headphone output to
your tape, but if the engineer uses the solo-listen feature, you would
get a very weird result- whatever channels he's soloing would be the
entirety of the feed. . . this would not normally be good, but in a
situation where all other outputs from the board were filled or
unusable, you could get some direct signal. . . also, headphone outputs
are variable, so if your deck can't take the full input level from a pro
console, you could use a lower level headphone signal (if the engineer
would promise not to break the feed!) you could also get some
attenuators to lower the signal down to where the deck could take it.
3. The A->D converter sets levels, a digital patch means you just get
teh conputer's numbers, so you are correct here.
4. Duracells last longer than energizer, (the c-cells are slightly
different size, I don't know about the AA's, but you might want to pick
one and stay with it, so your battery terminals are as reliable as
possible.) Walgreens house brand is made by duracell, and the Ultras
(lithium cells) will give you much longer running times. With alkalines
you should be able to go over 3 hours on 4 freshies, In an emergency,
you can just change two batteries without removing the sled, if the
show's almost over and you have a battery cut. . .
good luck!
-t
On Saturday, August 11, 2001, at 11:50 AM, Digestifier wrote:
>
>
> From: "paully" <paulsullivan6@home.com>
> Subject: newbie questions
> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 11:47:14 -0400
>
>
> Howdy folks, just recently got a D8 and have a few questions:
>
> 1) What is the preferred media for taping? DDS tapes? I hear audio
> grade is
> much better quality, I dont mind paying for quality. I would love to
> get
> specific brands, 60m? 90m? I've seen 60m that were 94 min. and i've
> seen 60m
> that were 2 hours of tapes? I'm confused.
>
> 2) What are the most common board patches? (in bars and clubs) I assume
> bands in bars and clubs use the board that'a already there but what are
> the
> most common connections? I have 1/4", RCA and plan on getting a XLR(m)
> to
> 1/8" cable.
>
> 3) From what I can tell I would use my line in for sbd and if I patch
> into
> someonelses rig (via a 7-pin I/O) I dont need to touch my record level
> at
> all?
>
> 4) Power: For now I plan on using the AA batteries and then in a couple
> months or so invest in a battery pack. How long will the D8 average
> with the
> AA? Regular duracell or energizer. I've seen different stuff on the
> times
> but I would like to get feedback from people who use the AA. I've heard
> from
> 2-4 hours.
>
> Thanks for the time, I tape my first show 8/17 so I just want it to
> come out
> decent so any other input or tips is more than welcome :)
>
> peace and zambi :)
> paully
>
>
>
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From: "Venezia, Frank P" <fvenezia@lehman.com>
Subject: Grateful Dead at MSG 9-88 CD Tree: Structure is READY! (NRC,
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:52:14 -0400
hey now, everyone.
sorry for the BIG delay, but it's been a long, hot summer in the
northeast....
the structure for our "Grateful Dead at MSG 9-88 CD Tree" is ready, and it's
at:
http://fvenezia.homestead.com/files/msg_9_88/MSG_9_88_tree.htm
i should have the track listings posted in a day or three...and hopefully
some nice cd artwork, too!
which is to say, if you've got a nice shot of King Kong on top of MSG from
this run, please get in touch with me ASAP.
i should have the SHN's out to our top-level branches by the end of this
week...
thanks to everyone who's a part of this tree.
Frank
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From: "Art Munson" <art@tape.com>
Subject: Cassette House posts
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:33:23 -0700
>Subject: RE: Mitsui CDRs .49 cents each.
>Reply-To: "American-Digital" <dan@am-dig.com>
>Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:59:17 -0400
>
> The issue I brought up, is whether or not this
> vendor sends SPAM to the newsgroup.
Depends on your definition of SPAM. Not everyone's
is the same. Many people define SPAM as cross posting
irrelevant material ("Earn $5K a day!!!") to multiple
newsgroups.
> Why can't Munson play by the rules?
Whose rules? American-Digital's? How convenient for them.
I do try to post only DAT tape or CDR prices that many times,
other vendors don't have and/or when I have what I think is a great
price. Past examples are HP/Maxell 1 pass tapes at $1.50 each,
Fuji bulk Dat tape at $2.00 each and now the Mitsuis at .49 cents.
As a consumer (yes I am one!) I am always searching for the best
price, as I believe most folks do.
If this offends most people on this list, then the moderator
always has the option of kicking me off the list. In over 10
years, this has never happened.
The folks on DAT-Heads have always been very good to me and I
do appreciate the support over these many years.
Anyway this is my last post on *this* topic.
Take care
Art
From: Gear119348@aol.com
Subject: Sound Card & CDR Writer Advice
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:53:48 EDT
Hi Everyone
Well the time has come for me to piece together a new computer and I was
wondering if anybody has experience with the Sound Blaster Live Platinum 5.1.
All I really need is a "spdif in" interface with 44.1 capability to
accomodate my trusty D-8. I noticed that this unit has been designed so that
the jack panel is mounted on the front of your computer which is also a nice
feature. I know that there are some fancy soundcards out there but I'm not
really interested in buying a lot of features I'll never use. The $199 price
tag is appealling too. On another note. Is Plextor still the king of CD
writers or is the competition making some decent writers also? I'll almost
certainly go with an EIDE writer unless there is a strong argument to go
SCSI. Any help or opinions would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely, Terry
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