DAT-heads Digest #14
Contents:
FS: Sony PCM-R500 pro DAT ("Sean McNamara")
ISO: Clearwater Benefit-Asbury Park 8/18/01 ("Otten, William")
Taping of bands (was Nickel Creek) (Wayne Brissette)
ISO: Live Aid 7-13-85 Phila & London on CD (RAM110@aol.com)
Portable DAT Deck Levels (Klay Anderson)
re:Josephson vs. MB Mics ("DRider")
using CD Architect with newer burners (Eric Vandercar)
guy davis ( blues artist ) ("john brennan")
david crosby wtd ("paul gluchanicz")
ISO:Phish 8/16/97+Disco Jam, 8/17/97 Set 3 from audience source ("Marcello Gasperini")
ISO Bruce 2001, have 8.10.2001 (ben morrison)
DVD-RW (Colin Liston)
WAMU bluegrass broadcast archival ("John R. Vanderpool")
Apex dvd ("Onno J.R. Bakker")
anybody converted a conner/seagate ctd-8000 chip? mac software other (Todd Green)
ISO: Springsteen at Clearwater Fest 8/18/01 (Dave M)
RE: Arlo Guthrie taping ("david gatewood")
USB Devices (Jeff Lester)
Pearl Jam DATs for B&P ("JR")
Re: Arlo Guthrie taping (Seth Breidbart)
From: "Sean McNamara" <mcnamara@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: FS: Sony PCM-R500 pro DAT
Reply-To: <mcnamara@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:19:56 -0400
Must Sell. Sony PCM-R500 Professional DAT Recorder. Four motor direct
drive transport, 20 BIT A/D Super Bit Mapping, Balanced Analogue I/O, AES /
EBU & SPDIF digital I/O, easy rehearsal and start/track ID features, rack
mount, wireless remote...
Unit is in excellent condition and has only seen low-moderate use for
copying and playback.
$680 obo (no low balls please) shipped UPS COD.
Sean
mcnamara@andrew.cmu.edu
From: "Otten, William" <William.Otten@LibertyMutual.com>
Subject: ISO: Clearwater Benefit-Asbury Park 8/18/01
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:15:25 -0400
Hey. Anybody out there roll on this event. Mostly interested in the
Springsteen set, but wouldn't mind hearing the entire show! Have the
Lofgrin/Springsteen show from the Pony the same night along with a 40+ page
trading list of other artists. Prefer DAT but will take any format. Thanks
in advance.
Bill
From: Wayne Brissette <wbrisett@appleisp.net>
Subject: Taping of bands (was Nickel Creek)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:33:48 -0500
>From: "Candace Horgan" <candace@spacewrangler.com>
>Subject: Nickel Creek
>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 05:18:48 -0600
>
>I've taped them several times and they've always been encouraging. If you
>can, get there a little early and ask them nicely and it shouldn't be a
>problem. They do like it if you offer to send them a copy. An excellent
>band; well worth hearing and taping.
>
>Cheers
>Candace
I tend to find that most bands are pretty open to taping as long as you
promise not to sell it and you promise to send them a copy. In fact only
one band recently has told me that I couldn't tape them (The Circle Jerks
-- and oddly enough they gave some people permission, so I never quite
figured that one out).
And do folks a favor, if you promise the band a copy of the show, send it
to them. I'm amazed at how many bands tell me that folks promise to send
them copies of shows and then never do. BTW, if you go to a major show
and tape the opening bands, you never know what can happen. One band I
taped and sent a copy of the show to, is putting one of the songs on a
European release next month. I don't get any money out of the deal, but I
get a nice CD with my name on it to hang on my wall. ;-)
Peace,
Wayne
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From: RAM110@aol.com
Subject: ISO: Live Aid 7-13-85 Phila & London on CD
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:33:00 EDT
Does anyone have a great FM / or VHS copy of this show of shows on CD? It
was a concert to of attended (Phila) and my old copies are not worthy of the
transfer. Thanks Bob RAM110@aol.com
From: Klay Anderson <klay@klay.com>
Subject: Portable DAT Deck Levels
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:47:46 -0600
krichard@som.umass.edu Subject: D3 line-in overload question
Brought up:
> this electronic switching scheme overloads a couple dB above the line-input
> level that will cause a full-scale indication of 0dBFS with the D7/D8 input
> knob set to approximately "4". And worse yet, when you feed it about +4dB
> over that level, instead of just clipping cleanly, it overloads with a large
> "popping" sound.
Not to pick nits, but let's put this in loose perspective. Sony rates the
input level at a nominal 500mv. This is about (-4). All hi-fi gear (and
these DAT decks are considered hi-fi gear) operate at 245mv for their "O"vu
and this is referenced to (-10). The difference between the two is called
headroom. Now, (+4) is 1.23v and considering audio is logarithmic, this is
more than 6 times the rated input level for the device. To put it another
way, if the deck wants to see a power supply voltage of 6 volts and you
smelled smoke when you fed it 36, would you complain?
The deck, like all items be it blender or computer, is designed to operate
within parameters, mostly tied to power supply limitations, and there is no
need for a discussion of how to get blood out of a turnip or "how can I get
+24dbm using two penlight batteries". An excellent resource for reference
is a book titled "The Art of Electronics" by Horowitz and Hill. See:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0521370957/qid=998321851/sr=2-1/103-9
109696-6087802
> but they misunderstood how often their consumer portables were
> actually looked to +4dBm outputs that can peak up to ~ +24dBM.
No, I'll bet they knew exactly what they were doing, as they do it all the
time. It is a consumer piece, not pro. Sony pro pieces do +4 just fine.
That is why we use attenuators and other gain-matching devices to interface
box a with box b. You said it yourself, we are talking about interfacing
one consumer component with another. At 245mv all is right with the
(analog) world. BTW, note that (+24) is 12.3v and I would seriously doubt
that anything over maybe (+6) would survive in this instance and not be
fully clipped and distorted.
For a good time, download and read these for more information:
"Unity Gain and Impedance Matching: Strange Bedfellows":
http://www.rane.com/pdf/note124.pdf
"Setting Sound System Level Controls":
http://www.rane.com/pdf/note135.pdf
"Audio Specifications":
http://www.rane.com/pdf/note145.pdf
Thanks!
--
Regards,
Klay Anderson, D.A.,Q.B.E.
Klay Anderson Audio, Inc.
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: "DRider" <Hawkwind@mediaone.net>
Subject: re:Josephson vs. MB Mics
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:48:59 -0400
Art,
Thanx very much for the post. It was very informative. However, even though
you shared some of the MBHO history, I think that some folks are trying to
figure out what... if any....
connection there is between the MBHO mics and the Josephson mics....
Can you tell us more?
As far as MBHO being undiscovered......
I can name at least 5 taper friends that own them and love them. One of my
good friends does ..... in fact.
We went on a run of shows back at the end of last year. One of my (junk) AKG
B-18 power supplies crapped out on the first night and I had to patch. My
friend got there late, so the patch came from a guy w/ Schoeps and an HHB.
Unfortunately, even though he had nice equipment, he was clueless as a
taper.
The next night I patched out of my buddy. His MBHO's sound very similar to
my Josephsons. However, I think my Josephsons are much more transparent. I
knew that a patch from the MBHO's would be the best because my buddy knows
what he's doing.
By the 3rd day I was going nuts. I wanted to tape. I tried to solder the
cheap thin wire that broke off in the power supply. But I could not fix it
and called every place that I could think of.... Nobody had anything. I
ended up borrowing a pre-amp (Oade 248) from someone at the show and got to
tape. But unfortunately the second set ran about 2 minutes too long and I
did not get it all.
So I ended up cloning my buddy's source back in the motel. While we were
doing that, I was curious to how my Josephsons sounded w/ just a pre-amp and
the A/D in my M1. Not bad, but my normal setup sounded better. He wanted to
hear them too......
I will never forget this. He was surprised that my Josephsons actually
sounded good. I was shocked and insulted at the same time. It was like the
entire time that we had been taping together, he thought my rig was junk.
This was all because he had never heard of Josephson microphones and just
assumed that they were no good since nobody else he knew of owned them......
I have yet to run into another taper using Josephsons at any show. When
patchers show up looking for help at a show, they ask me what mics I am
running. I say Josephson hypercards and they look at me like I am from Mars
and walk away. Part of me wants to laugh.....
Those that do "take a chance" usually come back and ask for another patch,
once they have actually heard them. I have even had Schoeps tapers that
wanted to take a night off from taping, patch out of me. And even they came
back for a patch the next night, instead of running their own mics. I swear
it is true and I am not bragging.
Please understand, I am NOT saying either mic is better than the other.
BUT .... from my experiences, I would say that Josephson microphones are the
"undiscovered jewel".
Check them out www.josephson.com
Peace,
Darrin
From: Eric Vandercar <Eric.Vandercar@morganstanley.com>
Subject: using CD Architect with newer burners
Reply-To: e <ericv@nycheads.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:20:16 -0400
Many months ago when I put together a new box with a 16x Plextor
I asked if anyone knew of a utility that would allow me to continue
using CDA and burning with my new Plextor 16/10/40A. I never
got any replies or advice. Recently someone posted about this site
http://projecteva.net/premaster.shtmland I'm happy to report and share
my very favorable experiences.
Colin wrote a great utility. Here's all that you have to do.
1, Go to his site, download the program and unzip it to a folder.
Then you do everything as normal exceptt hit record in CDA.:
- in SoundForge :
1, record to hard disk
2, add in fades, edits and markers
3, convert to regions
- in CD Architect, for each .wav/audio disc :
1, setup tracks
2, save tracking as a .cdp file
Then run this program (it automatically recognized my Plextor 16x.)
Then click on Write. (I clicked on burn-proof first.)
And it burned perfectly at 16x speed.
I would still like to find a utility that allows me to track in CDA and
then save the tracks as separate .wav files (like CD Wave does) or
better still directly to .shn files. I could do the above procedure and
burn the discs and then extract to separate .wav files, but the purist
in me (and others) would like to create .shn files with no extraction
in their lineage. Any thoughts or recommendations?
peace, further...
e
From: "john brennan" <tapehead@buffnet.net>
Subject: guy davis ( blues artist )
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:29:27 -0700
greetings all !
just wondering if anyone can tell me what the official taping policey is
with guy davis ( the blues artist ) . i've been surfing around , and can't
seem to find any info . if anyone has had first hand experience , or may
know of a contact i can reach prior to the show , please drop me a line .
thanx !
jb
From: "paul gluchanicz" <paulphish@hotmail.com>
Subject: david crosby wtd
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:31:16
looking for any David Crosby shows from florida, specially the show with
nash from sunrise 93; any crosby shows with bobby ingram wanted, and ingram
solo. have much to trade
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From: "Marcello Gasperini" <nfgas@tin.it>
Subject: ISO:Phish 8/16/97+Disco Jam, 8/17/97 Set 3 from audience source
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:54:45 +0200
Hi,
subject says it all.
I have about 4000 hours of Dead/Phish/Phil&F....
Thanks,Marcello
From: ben morrison <wsp@livetaping.com>
Subject: ISO Bruce 2001, have 8.10.2001
Reply-To: wsp@livetaping.com
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:31:39 -0700 (PDT)
I just got a copy of Bruce Hornsby 8/10.2001 (481>PS2>MODSBM-1>M1) Which sounds very good. Looking for other summer tour shows on DAT or CDR esp. The Louisville Palace show. Let me know if you have anything...
Ben
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From: Colin Liston <cliston@cs.utk.edu>
Subject: DVD-RW
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:19:54 -0400 (EDT)
check it out
http://netscape.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5095901,00.html
From: "John R. Vanderpool" <fish@daacdev1.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: WAMU bluegrass broadcast archival
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:24:42 -0400 (EDT)
for many years WAMU 88.5 in washington, DC has been a bluegrass
champion. sadly now for "business reasons" they have all but bagged
bluegrass in favor of the usual NPR, talk, etc
i'm ready to start archiving all of my broadcasts from them onto DAT
(from master and 1st gen cassettes) but just wanted to see if anybody
else has some of them on PCM or DAT (or earlier ones on reel or high
quality cassette for the early 80's ones) - in particular mostly i'm
talking here about their annual spring concert broadcasts - i captured
a few of the latter years direct to DAT but from 1983 to 1994 i have
them on cassette only (and have a few years i missed)
there are also some other interesting nuggets such as several cephas
and wiggins concerts
so anybody have 'em? and who is interested in copies of the others?
i don't have all the info typed in yet but its all the major bluegrass
acts such as ralph stanley, seldom scene, hot rize, johnson mountain
boys, nashville bluegrass band, etc
--
thanx,
fish
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on a genuine, old fashioned, steam powered aeroplane -john hartford RIP 2001
From: "Onno J.R. Bakker" <onnosr@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Apex dvd
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:30:34 +0200
see link:
http://www.areadvd.de/index.html
Onno
From: Todd Green <green@cmc.uab.edu>
Subject: anybody converted a conner/seagate ctd-8000 chip? mac software other
Reply-To: green@cmc.uab.edu
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:15:25 -0500
hello - first off i am new on this list.
my first question is has anyone successful converted the firmware on a
conner/seagate ctd-8000 dat drive? is the chip in this drive one time
flash, ie do i need a new chip to flash for the correct firmware? if so,
anyone know where i can get the chips, and do i need to locate someone
with an eprom burner?
second if there are any mac guys out there, what are you using to
transfer the dat audio from a scsi drive. does anyone have experience
with the now defunct datstudio? a manual by any chance. any other
programs?
any help will be greatly appreciated. feel free to contact me off list
unless you think that others on this list will benefit.
cheers - todd
From: Dave M <mclellan@superlink.net>
Subject: ISO: Springsteen at Clearwater Fest 8/18/01
Reply-To: mclellan@superlink.net
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:48:13 -0700
The subject line says it all...I'm looking for the solo acoustic set
Bruce did at the Clearwater Festival in Asbury Park NOT the set he did
with Nils. Contact me off list at mclellan@superlink.net
Lots of Springsteen to trade.
Thanks,
Dave
From: "david gatewood" <daveg_8@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Arlo Guthrie taping
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:07:39
I've seen Arlo a bunch of times and always get the runaround when asking
about taping. He says it's up to his road manager and his road manager says
it's up to Arlo. My rec is to stealth it, especially up close. I've gotten
some great results close up for him, even with minimal gear, such as
AT853A's>SBM1>D8. If you get the go, definately do it though. Get there
early and ask anyone with a pass
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From: Jeff Lester <lester@gandalf.sp.trw.com>
Subject: USB Devices
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:17:33 -0700 (PDT)
Is there any kind of consensus on whether the Roland UA-30 or Egosys U2A
USB audio devices are good/acceptable for doing accurate DAT>WAV? Do they
do exact bit-for-bit transfers using SPDIF without unwanted re-sampling
(ala the SB Live)?
-Jeff Lester
From: "JR" <jr@digijam.org>
Subject: Pearl Jam DATs for B&P
Reply-To: jr@digijam.org
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:32:28 -0400
Would prefer if one person would grab all 4:
2000-06-03 SC+C, Glasgow, Scotland
SS>D100 DATC1
2000-08-29 Tweeter Center: Mansfield, MA
ALD>DAT DATC1
2000-09-02 Blockbuster Amph: Camden, NJ
SS(dsm6s)>pa6lc>D100 DATC1
2000-10-12 Sandstone: Kansas City, KS
SS(dsm6s)>pa6lc>D8 DATC1
All are great shows and are very representative of the band's 2000 Pearl
Jam US/Euro shows. All as you can see are clones off the masters, contain
no flaws.
LLLater,
JR
http://www.digijam.org/jr/pearljam/liveshows.php3
"I'm not a pessimistic person, but I am when it comes to bootlegging." - KM
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Arlo Guthrie taping
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:16:17 -0400 (EDT)
> I've seen Arlo a bunch of times and always get the runaround when
> asking about taping. He says it's up to his road manager and his
> road manager says it's up to Arlo.
That's why you should always ask if he has any objection. If he says
to check with someone else, then you get to mention that "Arlo said he
had no objection; do you mind?"
Seth
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