DAT-heads Digest #23
Contents:
Cool Edit Pro vs. Sound Forge ("Gary Davis")
Re: anti-distortion filter ("Gary Davis")
Tony Furtato taping policy (Chinascats@aol.com)
ISO Seattle Bumbershoot Festival Tapers (Meshell Ndegeocello) (Todd Green)
Cheap battery pack for the D8/M1 ("Larry Narachi")
Zefiro-Denecke-Inbox ("DRider")
extra Robert Randolph & Wild Magnolias 6/30/01 on one DAT for B+P ("Dan Greenberg")
looking to upgrade rig ("scott charles")
RE: Sound Forge XP vs Cool Edit (Tom McGee)
STS9 needs a few more tapers ("Bob Wiely")
Gillian Welch taping? (Mark Mayhle)
Rig for sale (Robert Kane)
Bumbershoot ("John McGuire")
Re: joining WAVs ("Gary: Anglo-Saxon word for 'spear'")
Crabby Appleton/Chuck Berry 26 Feb 72 (JH)
ISO: Any John Hartford (JamesHelgerson@aol.com)
wasp = no tapers.. ("seethreepo2")
Reading masters ("Gary: Anglo-Saxon word for 'spear'")
ISO: ABB 6/22/01 Great Woods (Don Chase)
D8 and CO3 SCMS Problem ("Upper, Ethan")
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: Cool Edit Pro vs. Sound Forge
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:08:04 -0700
Yes, I would recommend Cool Edit Pro very highly but since I've
never used SF, I can't say CEP is "better". CEP is optimized,
however, to do most disk functions as fast as possible.
The 2GB limitation is bascially a Windows '98 issue. Windows NT
allows 4GB files. Not sure about Windows XT/2000/etc.
The main advantage to CEP over non-Pro is that CEP allows you to
listen to most effects in realtime, ie, you can actually change EQ,
etc, and hear what it will sound like without first doing the effect,
listening, and maybe undoing. It doesn't quite work as well as
analog gear - as you change sliders, you have to let go of the
mouse button before the change takes effect. But it's a very nice
feature.
Also, CEP has more special features built-in, such as Notch Filter
(removes feedback), etc. But the great Cool Edit "Noise
Reduction" feature is in both versions.
--G
From: "Gary Davis" <gdavis@loop.com>
Subject: Re: anti-distortion filter
Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:09:29 -0700
If the distortion is digital cliping, and NOT analog brickwalling, Cool
Edit Pro has a feature called "Clip Restortion" (under Noise
Reduction) which will most definately help!
--Gary
From: Chinascats@aol.com
Subject: Tony Furtato taping policy
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:09:31 EDT
I saw that Tony Furtato is playing in San Jose Tuesday night and I might go.
Does anyone know his taping policy with board patches? I'm thinking of
bringing my deck with me. Email me off list.
From: Todd Green <green@cmc.uab.edu>
Subject: ISO Seattle Bumbershoot Festival Tapers (Meshell Ndegeocello)
Reply-To: green@cmc.uab.edu
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:29:04 -0500
hello - dat-heads -
I am wondering if anyone will be taping at the Seattle Bumbershoot
Festival this weekend. I am especially wondering if anyone is interested
in taping Meshell Ndegeocello's set on saturday. i am willing to send
out some blank dats, trade for a copy, do dat transfers etc etc etc if
someone can tape her set. If anyone is interested please let me know.
thanks - todd
From: "Larry Narachi" <lnarachi@narachi.com>
Subject: Cheap battery pack for the D8/M1
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:33:30 -0700
From: "John McGuire" <john@safesets.com>
>I just ordered some new NiMH 1700 mAh batteries from http://mahaenergy.com
>They also have 'kits' with chargers and 1600 mAh batts, but no kits (yet)
>with the 1700s. Additionally, they have a battery pack that is/was designed
>to be an external power source for digital cameras. Specs say that it
>supplies 6V, so with the right connector, perhaps it could be used for a
>DAT? I think it was $50.
I have used this battery pack numerous times. Its my emergency pack when my
lead acid ecocharge runs out
or if another taper runs out. I also use it to power some coolneon "go away
from here" wire...
There is a little battery level indicator series of LED lights that light up
when you test for remaining life...which is nice.
This pack is about the size of a small pager.....
Larry Narachi
"taperachi"
From: "DRider" <Hawkwind@mediaone.net>
Subject: Zefiro-Denecke-Inbox
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:38:42 -0400
I don't recommend pushing a 9v Alkaline to 8-9 hours in the Inbox.
Experience is the best teacher. The first time you look down and see the red
light on during music and you have No Input because you did not change your
batteries, you will get the experience that I am speaking of...........
If taping a standard 2 set show (like PLQ for instance), I recommend
changing the 9v Alkaline at the end of the show. Start w/ a fresh one for
the next show. I don't push mine over 6 hours.
If you wanna try to squeeze every bit of power out of a battery, I suggest
getting a meter and checking the voltage of the battery after noting how
many hours it has been used. You can mark the side of the battery w/ the
voltage amount. You might squeeze 3 sets out of one battery if you take it
out during the breaks.
Of course, you will need to keep these things in mind during the show.
Taking great care not to forget to switchout. All kinds of variables come
into play, like indulging a little too much and spacing out, talking to your
buddy and spacing out or just taking a restroom break only to find yourself
scrambling to your seat because the band is back on stage...
Like I said, experience is the best teacher.
Also, quality control w/ batteries means your mileage may very.......
DRider
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From: Adam Smith <adaml@lanset.com>
Subject: Re:Zefiro-Denecke-inbox
Reply-To: adaml@lanset.com
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 00:28:13 -0700
FIY, the inbox is rated at 8-9 hours of use on a single 9v Alkaline.
IMHO changing the battery every show is a little extreme and wasteful.
Although I've never run it continuously for that length of time I have
used it for 3 90-120 minute shows in a two week period.
Adam
From: "Dan Greenberg" <letitgro@warwick.net>
Subject: extra Robert Randolph & Wild Magnolias 6/30/01 on one DAT for B+P
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:19:56 -0400
These are the complete (57 minute) sets of each band
at this year's Gathering of The Vibes. They were recorded
from the soundboard > Sony SBM-1 > Sony D8. Both
sets were recorded onto one Sony 90m DAT.
In return, I'd like a sealed blank Sony or Maxell 90m DAT
plus postage. But here's the hitch...I will give it to the person
who promises to make the most B+Ps to others who ask.
So tell me how many B+Ps you're willing to make (and mention
B+P 6/30/01). If you offer to make the most copies, I will
then direct other inquiries your way for you to deal with.
(Unideckers, don't be hesitant to ask for this, as you might get lucky.)
The offer will close 48 hours after the digest hits my inbox.
-Dan Greenberg-
From: "scott charles" <scochar@hotmail.com>
Subject: looking to upgrade rig
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:43:51
ok, I'm looking to upgrade my stealth recording setup - looking at:
neumann 184's (X-Y in hat)(is X-Y the crossed?)
denecke zefiro inbox (down leg)
denecke sp-2 phantom power supply (down other leg or in pocket)
currently into a sharp mt-77 (rather upgrade the mics than the recorder
right now).
Anyone use any of the input ends? How heavy/free am I going to be able to
move around? The 184's are like the 140's without the removable stages,
right?
How are the 184's from a distance? I've listened to some good recordings
done stealth with these mics (and the 140's) and I really like the way they
sound. As a test with the MD recorder, I recorded digitally a track from
the cd-r to the MD, I can't tell the difference, no artifacts.
opinions?
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From: Tom McGee <tfm@110.net>
Subject: RE: Sound Forge XP vs Cool Edit
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:51:56 -0400
--
<Michael_Otto@tvratings.com> said:
" Would you recommend CoolEdit over SF? And does the Pro version have more
that is worth the price? "
There are several other choices to consider. For two track editing, I
like Wavelab 3.x over all of them. This includes SF 5.0, Protools,
Cool Edit Pro, Bias Peak, SoundEdit II, Logic (Delta), Audio Desk,
and any other I've bought and tried. (Yeah, I'm a cross-platform
guy.) What will work best for you largely depends on which software
designer's thinking is closest to yours -- and how much time you can
afford to spend to really learn each program. You do get more
features with the expensive packages.
-t
From: "Bob Wiely" <thatdamnguy@angelfire.com>
Subject: STS9 needs a few more tapers
Reply-To: thatdamnguy@angelfire.com
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:12:51 -0700
Ok, STS9 need's A few more tapers for the upcoming tour... They added a bunch of dates on me... so sorry for the second post. Thanks to all who have replied so far, another update should be coming from me soon...
We provide you a guestlist spot +1 - You provide us with a copy on dat and we ask that you PLEASE circulate the music! Contact me directly asap as time is running short. Please include; your full name as it appears on your ID, a description of your rig, and what dates you can defiantly make it to. Please let me know any shows you will be attending so that if someone falls through we can still have it covered. Thanks for your time, and now on to the dates.
*9/13/01 - Thu House of Blues New Orleans, LA
*9/22/01 - Warsaw Brooklyn, NY
*9/23/01 - Sun The Trocadero Philadelphia, PA
*9/25/01 - TBA Poughkeepsie, NY
*9/26/01 - Odyssey Night Club Ithica, NY
*9/27/01 - Thu Higher Ground Winooski, VT
*9/28/01 - The State Theater Portland, ME
*10/02/01 - TBA Syracuse, NY
*10/03/01 - TBA Buffalo, NY
*10/04/01 - Club Laga Pittsburgh, PA
*10/09/01 - The Bluebird Bloomington, IN
*10/10/01 - Bogart's Cinncinati, OH
*10/11/01 - The Annex Madison, WI
*10/12/01 - The Annex Madison, WI
*10/21/01 - The Zephyr Club Salt Lake City, UT
~Bob Wiely
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From: Mark Mayhle <mark@mayhle.com>
Subject: Gillian Welch taping?
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:18:48 -0500 (CDT)
I'm planning to see Gillian Welch tomorrow at the Showbox in Seattle and
was wondering if anyone had approached her recently about taping, either
aud or sbd. I don't see anything in BTAT.
--
Mark Mayhle
mark@mayhle.com
From: Robert Kane <roekbarnet@mailhost.det.ameritech.net>
Subject: Rig for sale
Reply-To: roekbarnet@ameritech.net
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:39:29 -0400
The reason for the sale is: I only taped one band (Cowboy Junkies) that
allows taping, and I have too much money tied up in this rig at the
moment. I went a little overboard buying new gear.
I have the following gear for sale. I would like to sell the entire rig
to one person, so if anyone is interested in the whole lot they will get
first crack. I will entertain offers for each section separately, but I
will wait for five days to see if there is any interest in the entire
rig. I will cover USPS priority insured mail, if the buyer wants FedEx
or USPS Next Day Air they will cover the difference. I will accept
payment by (postal or AmEx)money order, cashier's check, or personal
check. The gear will be shipped as soon as payment clears my bank no
sooner(3-5 work days for cashier's check, 7-10 work days for personal
check).
section 1 (mics/accs):
MBHO 603a bodies with active cables(pair) ($1075 new)
MBHO KA-200N cardioid caps (matched pair) ($ 474 new)
MBHO KA-500HN hypercard caps (matched pair) ($ 562 new)
SSM-1 Sabra Som shockmounts (pair) ($ 95 new)
ST-2 Sabra Som T-mount ($ 38 new)
Manfrotto 17' air cushioned stand ($ 145 new)
(w/thread adaptor)
Audio Magic Presto II cables (15' & 2' pairs) ($ 500 new)
section 1 total (new $2889) will take $2400
section 2 (pre-amp/recorder):
Lunatec V2 pre-amp ($1300 new)
Tascam DA-P1 ($1399 new)
Eco-charge Beta Plus (2-battery w/both cables) ($ 289 new)
Sonic case deluxe ($ 180 new)
section 2 total (new $3168) will take $2600
entire rig total (new $6057) will take $4750
Everything is in like new condition. The V2 and DA-P1 come with
original boxes and manuals. The DA-P1 has less than 30 hours on it,
mics/V2 have about 50-60 hours of use (purchased used). Please email me
with any question/offers. All REASONABLE offers will be considered, but
I reserve the right not to sell if my 'will take' amounts are not met.
Thanks for your interest.
~Robert
From: "John McGuire" <john@safesets.com>
Subject: Bumbershoot
Reply-To: <john@safesets.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:42:02 -0500
Anyone planning on going to Bumbershoot and taping? Please drop me a line,
as I have a special favor to ask-- looks like I am not going to be able to
go :(
Thanks!
John
Like winter snow on summer lawn, time past is time gone.
From: "Gary: Anglo-Saxon word for 'spear'" <gary@blandest.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: joining WAVs
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:05:05 +0100 (BST)
>(HELP! I don't know of any joining program. I have to cut/paste each wave
>into one file, which is very time-consuming.) a joining software. This
www.geffers.demon.co.uk has a program on it somewhere called Addawav that
will do this.
From: JH <kc7fys@pro-ns.net>
Subject: Crabby Appleton/Chuck Berry 26 Feb 72
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:36:44 -0600
Hello,
I have the following DAT recording of roughly 90 minutes, the Chuck Berry
set comes first, and is apparently an FM analog, and it sort of cuts
directly into Crabby Appleton (sounds like ELP to me) partway through the
tape, without a gap. The Crabby Appleton is a different level (higher) and
less compressed (probably not at all, probably a SBD). My problem is that
I know nothing about Crabby Appleton!
My notes on the DAT read: "Chuck Berry performed with the band, Crabby
Appleton supported him during his performance. Crabby Appleton also did a
set of their own in the middle [sic] of Berry's performance. This concert
was transmitted live over WNCR-fm Cleveland, OH. One of the early live
transmissions of a local rock concert in Cleveland. Berry's language and
lyrics shocked the listeners but his music rocked them away..."
Can anyone support the veracity of these notes and/or this recording?
Thanks,
Jonathan
From: JamesHelgerson@aol.com
Subject: ISO: Any John Hartford
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:39:25 EDT
I am sort of new to all of this and have only 1 DAT deck. I have a mini disc recorder as well, but only 1. I am in serious need of any live John Hartford I can get my hands on if anyone wants to do a B&P thing, please let me know.
jameshelgerson@aol.com
OR
nutball67@hotmail.com
From: "seethreepo2" <seethreepo2@home.com>
Subject: wasp = no tapers..
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:23:59 -0700
what happens to washed up bands..
http://www.metal-sludge.com/WaspShow.htm
pretty funny anti taping story
From: "Gary: Anglo-Saxon word for 'spear'" <gary@blandest.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Reading masters
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:55:01 +0100 (BST)
I have the following for trade, source is Marantz EM-8>Sony TCD-D8. I can
only trade on CDR once I get around to doing a transfer.
EVAN DANDO, EELS, PJ HARVEY, LIVING END, MOGWAI, IGGY POP, SUPERGRASS
Unfortunately, I missed a couple of mins at the beginning of Iggy Pop. Evan
Dando and Mogwai were in the Evening Session stage, hence I was able to get
closer to the PAs and cut out a lot more crowd noise than on the others.
full list --> www.blandest.demon.co.uk/brokenlinks
Cheers,
Gary
From: Don Chase <chase65@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO: ABB 6/22/01 Great Woods
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:15:44 -0700 (PDT)
Looking for this incredible show from Mansfield, Mass (now
called Tweeter Center).
Hoping for a nice FOB, but willing to take anything, in
any format. If you taped this, please get in touch with me
so i can vine this.
Have list of mostly Dead/related that i can send.
thanks,
Don Chase
ps. i'm actually looking for any Allman's show from this venue.
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From: "Upper, Ethan" <EUpper@hbsp.harvard.edu>
Subject: D8 and CO3 SCMS Problem
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:23:54 -0400
Has anyone else had this problem or know what the cause is?
I've got a Sony D8 and an M-Audio CO3.
I hooked up one D8 to the TOSLink input of the CO3 and set the SCMS
mode to 'None'. I connected the TOSLink output to the input of the other D8.
I tried to clone from a master DAT (SCMS 11) with this arrangement, but the
recording D8 would not unpause with the selected SCMS mode set to "none" on
the CO3. I
tried Master and 1st Gen modes on the CO3, but same result. The recording D8
would not unpause in record mode.
The only way I could get it to record was if I set the CO3 SCMS mode to
pass-through.
I have noticed this when trying to record from a CD through the CO3.
I have not been able to find any documentation on this problem, and the
symptoms lead me to believe that there may be something wrong with my CO3.
Very frustrating!!!
-Ethan
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