DAT-heads Digest #28
Contents:
El Liceu in Barcelona ("J.Garcia")
Re: DAT-heads Digest #27 (Chris Mathews)
re: How do I best use my SBM-1? (Andrew Nemeth)
FS: Tascam DA-40 and Panasonic SV-3800 on eBay ("Michael Hanson")
Brian Fredkin? Anyone know? (Daniel Thweatt)
SMPTE sync? (David Cox)
ORTF Q ("scott charles")
Re: : battery pack for AC equipment ("Jamie Lutch")
Follow Up - Vaio questions ("NashPhil")
FS: Taping Equipment (kristi jo)
re skm140 (Michael Miller)
"Tricking" Consumer CD burners? ("Barnes, Barry")
From: "J.Garcia" <elektrik@navegalia.com>
Subject: El Liceu in Barcelona
Reply-to: elektrik@navegalia.com
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:52:07 +0200
Anyone has experience in stealth taping at El Liceu, the opera hall in
Barcelona?
If so, please get in touch.
Thanks
Jose Garcia
elektrik@navegalia.com
From: Chris Mathews <cdm@cisunix.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #27
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:57:57 -0400
These are few and far between, GBS actively discourages live recording.
-c
At 01:50 PM 8/31/01 -0400, Digestifier wrote:
>From: "John McGuire" <john@safesets.com>
>Subject: 'C' cell NiCds, Great Big Sea
>Reply-To: <john@safesets.com>
>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:51:19 -0500
>
>I would LOVE to trade them for ANY recordings of Great Big Sea, the
>Newfoundland celtic/folk/rock band-- the wife has FINALLY taken an interest
>in some live music, and wouldnt ya know it-- nobody's ever heard of them!
-c
--
Chris Mathews
IM: FighterFoo
cdm@cisunix.unh.edu
Shows hitting/taping:
8/25 - Foxtrot Zulu @ Lawrence, MA
9/7 - Fighting Gravity @ Allston, MA
9/8 - Rane @ Concord, NH
9/13 - Rustic Overtones @ Boston, MA
9/15 - Ben Folds @ Boston, MA (tent)
9/20 - Howie Day @ Boston, MA
9/28 - Foxtrot Zulu @ Worcester, MA
10/12 - Foxtrot Zulu @ Portland, ME
10/31 - Cowboy Mouth w/ Fighting Gravity @ Avalon
From: Andrew Nemeth <azn@nemeng.com>
Subject: re: How do I best use my SBM-1?
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 05:56:08 +1000
"Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com> had questions about
using a Sony SBM-1:
> The SBM-1 has 2 1/4 in. mic jacks, a 1/8
> in. mic jack, and 2 RCA jacks
The 2x 1/4 inch jacks are for L+R microphones with
no phantom power. The L jack can also act as a mono
feed, whereby you only plug in one mic and yet both
channels are given an identical signal at the output
stage.
The 1/8 jack is a stereo mic socket which does provide
phantom power, although only a useless 2V.
The 2x RCA jacks are line-in.
>Does "-20 dB" switch act as an attenuator
Yes.
>What is the electronic difference between the 20 bit "super bitmapping"
>and the 16 bit "linear quantization"? How does a 20 bit A/D help if
>the DAT can only store 16 on the tape anyway?
You need to read up on dither, word-length reduction and
external A/Ds in general. Here's a couple of URLs to get
you started:
<http://www.apogeedigital.com/pdf/appnotes/appnote13.pdf> (PDF 80 KB)
<http://www.apogeedigital.com/pdf/apogeeguide.pdf> (PDF 1.3 MB)
=2E.. although be warned that they do tend to push their UV22
dither scheme!
> Any "gotchas" I should know about, or any other info would be greatly
> appreciated.
I have found the built-in preamp to have way too much self-noise
for recording quiet sounds. So best to bypass it using your
own pre-amp (with a more realistic built-in phantom V supply!).
Regds,
Andrew Nemeth
<http://4020.net> -> photos, 360=B0 panoramic vrs, sounds
<http://nemeng.com> -> vr java applets, leica faq, tech info
From: "Michael Hanson" <mihanson@earthlink.net>
Subject: FS: Tascam DA-40 and Panasonic SV-3800 on eBay
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:09:13 -0700
Hi DAT-Heads:
This is a re-post as the auction is in it's final days:
I'm selling off a couple DAT decks on eBay. One is a Tascam DA-40 and
the other is a Panasonic SV-3800. Both are great decks with EXTREMELY low
hours on the original heads. Surf on over to the following link for more
info:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=mihanson
---
Mike Hanson
<mihanson@earthlink.net>
From: DannyThweatt@webtv.net (Daniel Thweatt)
Subject: Brian Fredkin? Anyone know?
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:24:19 -0500 (CDT)
Hi guys. Whie scanning some of the DAT-HEAD archives, I came across some
posts by a guy named Brian Fredkin that interested me, but alas, his
e-mail has apparently changed. He hasn't posted recently, and I was
wondering if anyone knows him, could hook me up with his e-mail, or
point me in a right direction. Feel free to contact me off list. BTW,
still looking for more Verve as always. My list:
http://www.sanctifiedpress.com/trade.html
Have a nice day, Danny
Check out Sanctified Press:christian
rock,apologetics,poetry,ranting,etc...
"http://www.sanctifiedpress.com"
danny@sanctifiedpress.com
From: David Cox <protool_98@yahoo.com>
Subject: SMPTE sync?
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:55:38 -0700 (PDT)
sorry for OT... i'm trying to figure out how to do ADR (automated dialog
replacement) on the cheap. i need to press record in a multitrack program
and have some sort of sync box/card tell a hard-disk video player to play
in sync with the computer. this way, an actor can lip-sync with his voice
to re-record dialog tracks. i'm indefferent regarding software, but would
ideally be able to do this with cooledit pro.
i know this is way out in left field, but does anyone have any ideas of
where to start with this?
thanks!
dave
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From: "scott charles" <scochar@hotmail.com>
Subject: ORTF Q
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:46:15
OK using the ortf mounting pattern - this may be a dumb question, but the
mics are crossed, right? Is the mic that "points" left over the other mic
the left or right channel? In other words, the cable is on the right, the
element is on the left, left channel? It makes sense that way to me but I'm
not sure.
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From: "Jamie Lutch" <reconstruction@thegrid.net>
Subject: Re: : battery pack for AC equipment
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:16:01 -0700
> From: "Nick Georges" <nick@nickspicks.com>
> Subject: battery pack for AC equipment?
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:47:20 -0400
>
> Is it possible to make a portable battery system to power an AC piece of
> hardware?
yes, but only with an inverter. Apart from the large size, the ac is very
likely to generate RF noise into your recordings.
It may be possible to hack the audio sport duo to run on ac, tho...
> m-audio audio sport duo. Exactly what I want, but 9vAC powered.
> Sound devices USBpre. can only be used with PC (draws power from USB, no
> s/pdif).
>
if its only drawing power, its an easy hack to a USB cable to feed it 5V dc.
If it runs on usb, it pulls less than 500 ma by spec. 4C or D nimh batteries
would give it 5V and several hours of battery life. It might even take 6V,
which would work well (more common in taping equipment)
>
> Anything else?
> Price is an obsticle, of course. I'm looking to stay under a grand.
>
> or..would it be better to just by a V2 and battery system. Worry about
A/D
> later.
> Thanks for any/all advice.
A V2 with a lesser quality AD would prob be on the same level as 24 bit with
a lesser mic pre. Ideally you'd want both with an AD2K :)
From: "NashPhil" <phil@nashphil.com>
Subject: Follow Up - Vaio questions
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 00:08:53 -0500
I wanted to follow up and give a report on the
feedback I recieved. Thanks for the help folks, and
again to Dan Heend for the keen insight.
The CDR Issues have been resolved. The firewire
burner is working perfectly with Feurio! No problem
recognizing it, and I must say it is a very cool CDR
burning program. Really easy to use and configure,
plus you have the options of customizing to your
machine. It does most everything you could ask for,
except Data CD's. For that Nero has been working
perfectly fine. It seems that Nero just doesn't
handle tracking correctly 100% of the time(with
Win2k anyway). It seems to work ok, but will
intermittingly mishandle the sector boundries
leaving a very tiny gap on the disc at the track
line. At least those were the reports from my
carefully controlled scientific experiment. ;-)
This is not an issue with data cd's so it works fine
for those. Other programs like CDRWin and CD
Architect just would not recognize the firewire
burner under any configuration or driver, so that
seems to be directly related to the software
support. I was trying all of this simultaniously on
two very differnet machines with the same programs,
drivers, and operating system, and getting all of
the same results. The ASPI drivers are a major
player in the WIN2000 burning setup, but which one
to use will depend on what type of write you have,
SCSI or EIDE. With my setup I am using the ASPI
driver program from LSI Logic and it works well with
(firewire)EIDE and SCSI writers (I have both) with
these programs.
On to editing....
I still say Soundforge 5.0 is SLOW. I've tried all
different configs and it just creeps along. I still
like it though, works absolutely perfect for
recording 2 channel 24bit/48k audio and then
resampling and bit-reducing it down to 16bit/44k for
audio CD's, SHN's,MP3's etc...
I still stand by Cool Edit Pro 1.2(a). I have it
working properly again. It was a page file issue,
once I maximized the filesize, the errors cleared
right up. I would estimate that for basic editing
functions, such as mixing, boosting, cut/paste,
etc...It is almost twice as fast as Soundforge for
the very same functions. However, I would not use it
for live recording or recording to the hard drive at
home. Stick to Soundforge for that.
In what seems to always be the case, it takes 2
people to do the same job, so goes software.
So to recap....
Nero 5.5 works great for DATA CDR's
Feurio 1.62 works great for AUDIO CDR's
LSI Logic works great for ASPI driver
Soundforge 5.0b perfect for
recording/resample/bit-reduction
Cool Edit Pro v1.2a works great for
editing/mixing/noise reductions/multi-track
There seems to be no conflicts with Win2k, the
firewire burner, or the programs themselves.
So that is 2 burning programs, and 2 editing
programs that I can fully recomend for using with
Win2000pro and/or the Sony C1 Picturebook/Sony CDR
Firewire. If you can use them reliably with this
setup, anyone should be able to pull it off on their
system, whatever kind of home or portable computer
you have. If you are doing any sort of hard disc
recording, I would say get rid of Win98 before it
destabilizes, or worse, completely hoses your
machine along with all those audio files on it.
Much more stable counterpart in Win2000pro. These
are my experiences for what they are worth.
Later, PHil
ALMOST ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
Back in June, I purchased a Digigram VX-Pocket and
SONY VAIO PCG-C1VSX/K to
record with. This is similar to the US version, but
it has more power all around and is from SONY Japan
through http://www.dynamism.com/c1vsx/index.shtml
(Got a great deal, cheaper than what the website
says, they are willing to deal)
(667 CPU,256 SDRAM,30 GIG,512 CACHE+Bluetooth)
+ SONY CRX1600L Firewire 12x external CDRW burner,
a D.Link
Ethernet card, and all is good. Once I had the
system set up like I wanted, the recording was a
breeze. No problems with recording at all. In all
formats everything checks out. This is all running
on ONE operating system, WIN200pro. So it goes to
show you, someone with limited knowledge can set one
of these up without too many
worries.............................................
From: kristi jo <kirstejo@yahoo.com>
Subject: FS: Taping Equipment
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 00:19:23 -0700 (PDT)
Lunatec V2 w/ battery and power cable $1100
Sonic AD2K+ w/ battery and power cable $1600
Apogee AD1000 no cable or battery $1500
Schoeps CMC6/mk4
$1900
Schoeps mk/41v caps
$1700
B&K 4011 w/ windscreens
$1200
AKG 414B-ULS
$600
Audio Majic Ex II 15' Mic Cable pair
$450
Audio Majic Ex II 3' Balanced pair
$200
Audio Majic Ex II AES/EBU
$80
Audio Technica 8410a Shock Mount Pair $50
Ecocharge 6v(two)
$30 per battery
Ecocharge 6v smart charger
$10
plus shipping
Christi
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From: Michael Miller <mcmiller@Radix.Net>
Subject: re skm140
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 10:22:21 -0400 (EDT)
> I'm not really sure why they are so long - I occasionally
> see people use them with their 140's on a stand at a taping-allowed
> show...can't see why you would bother doing this unless you just wanted
> to use the ORTF or XY bars that come with them, as they only attach to
> the capsules when the actives are attached. I always run my 140s with
> capsules and bodies attached at taping-allowed shows, and thus just have
> a good set of 12'-15' XLR cables between my mics and pre-amp. I would
> much rather the actives be in the 4-5' range for the times I really need
> them.
You need to distinguish between "taping encouraged" and "taping tolerated"
shows. I've been to many shows where taping was tolerated but actively
discouraged and the venue went around telling people to drop their stands
below head level because of the obstructed view for people sitting behind
the taper. You are always better off in this situation (even if taping is
encouraged) to present as small a line-of-sight obstruction as possible.
It keeps the people behind you happy and, in turn, the venue stays happy.
If anyone behind you can't see the performer because your mic bodies,
shockmounts, and cable loops present a signigicant obstruction, they will
complain to the venue staff, which is bad for everyone wanting to tape.
I've been to plenty of club shows where FOB was forbidden, but right
before the show capsules on active cables were raised and the tapers never
got hassled because the visual impact was not significant.
Also, about the difference between KM184 and KM1x0: I have the KM184s and
have been intending to move to the KM140 or KM150 specifically because I
want the active cables for low profile situations. I've listened to alot
of KM1x0 tapes to compare. One major difference I've found is that the
KM184 is more boomy than the KM100 based mics. I don't think that the
bass is as tight with the KM184s. I've also heard many tapes made with
KM84i mics (i know two people who use them), and I prefer them to the
KM184s. The KM1x0 tapes sound like they have a more flat response than the
KM184s. Of course, you can learn to compensate through placement but
there are trade-offs. I don't think that the KM184s are flat in the low
bass range. The KM100s seem to be more true to the sound of the venue. As
usual, ymmv.
michael
From: "Barnes, Barry" <barry@huizenga.nova.edu>
Subject: "Tricking" Consumer CD burners?
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 12:01:45 -0400
Forgive me if this is the wrong forum to ask...if it is, please direct me to
another.
When standalone consumer CD burners began to appear, there was lots of talk
about "tricking" them into accepting computer grade CDs as a burning medium
instead of the audio grade CDs.
Has anyone had any experience "tricking" an Hitachi consumer burner? Please
email me offline. barry@nova.edu
Thanks.
Barry
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