DAT-heads Digest #32

Contents:
  directv digital audio ("Sam Hain")
  Sony ECM-150 Specs ("Ryan Haskell")
  ISO: SONY DAT PORTABLE RECORDER (john.clarke@saltlake2002.com)
  looking for a taper in Lubbock, TX ("Frank")
  Re: DAT-heads Digest #31 ("JR")
  Any info on "Hoontech Soundtrack" soundcard (Yamaha Digital-XG)? ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.")
  RE: DAT-heads Digest #31 ("Larry J Abballe")
  ISO: Talk of the CIty - KPCC fm 9/3/01 (Arnie Stodolsky)
  FS: pair of Oktava MC-012's  ("Mike BB")
  Re: Any info on "Hoontech Soundtrack" soundcard (Yamaha (Sean Kennedy)
  Mic upgrade question (Thomas Rosander)
  Help Me Pick A Camcorder For Stealth Taping, Please!!! ("vitamin worm")
  Re:  direct tv and dish network digital audio (RWhiteFang@aol.com)
  Bumbershoot Tapers: John and Mark? ("Andy Liu")
  anyone taping Cowboy Junkies at HOB friday?? ("gordon wilson")
  coldplay 5-24-01 boston (Shopkin@aol.com)
  Mecca Normal Tour ("Mr Mxblxyxh")
  Re: direct tv and dish network dgital audio (Greg)
  pair of Oktava MC-012's...SOLD ("Mike BB")
  "line input vs. mic input" w/CSBs & bass roll off filter ("John Kupchik")
  FS: barely used Sound Professionals premium AT853 mics ("Adam Klein")


From: "Sam Hain" <samhain1313@hotmail.com>
Subject: directv digital audio
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:17:43 -0400

The digital audio from directv receivers is 16/48. I don't believe that is 
actually trasmitted that way (due to bandwidth concerns) but that a 16/48 
datastream is created out of the mpeg datastream in the reciever.

there are a few channels that are in dolby digital (from 1.0 to 5.1) as 
well, that can also be recorded to DAT with not too much headache (at least 
if you have a zefiro ZA2)

Hain

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From: "Ryan Haskell" <ryan_haskell@hotmail.com>
Subject: Sony ECM-150 Specs
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:23:32 -0400

Hello!  Anyone have any specs on the old Sony ECM-150 mics, like noise 
floor, directional pattern, frequency range, etc?

Thanks,
Ryan

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From: john.clarke@saltlake2002.com
Subject: ISO: SONY DAT PORTABLE RECORDER
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:25:34 -0600

ISO: SONY DAT PORTABLE RECORDER
New to the digital world (used to tape in the 1980s) and need a decent used
DAT deck. Not picky, just want to get taping once again. Please drop me an
e-mail if you can help. Thanks

=========
John Clarke Jr.
Senior Writer
Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the 2002 Olympic Winter Games
Tel: (801) 212-2395
Fax: (801) 212-2108
E-mail: john.clarke@saltlake2002.com




From: "Frank" <frankn1@innernet.net>
Subject: looking for a taper in Lubbock, TX
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:15:12 -0400

Hello-
    I am trying to find a taper in Lubbock, Texas for a concert coming up in
October.  If anyone can help me out, please email me at frankn1@innernet.net
Thanks.

Frank




From: "JR" <jr@digijam.org>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #31
Reply-To: jr@digijam.org
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:15:07 -0400

I did some research on this myself, but your question is obvious. If your 
DSS unit has optical out, then you can bet the farm it's 44.1k 16 bit. 
Haven't seen a unit with coaxial digital out yet. the 44.1k signal is also 
coded with Dolby Digital when applicable.

also, this is assuming you have a digital receiver. I just ahave the 
standard RCA analog receivers and i was *shocked* to find out that the 
analog l-r output is stereo and not even Dolby Pro Logic. it's like a giant 
step back. i think the only thing that comes through in Pro Logic are pay 
per view movies. 

i'm digressing into movies here, but one of the movies on DTV right now is 
the Who from RAH so this information is pertinent.

JR

> From: TANGUS999@aol.com
> Subject: direct tv and dish network dgital audio
> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:12:38 EDT
> 
> looking in the archives, i found nothing pertinent,so any help would be 
> greatly appreciated.
> 
> what kind of digital audio signal would i get from these units?16/44, 
16/48 
> or lower? like 8/22? thanks
> i have been unable to find anything out on this subject.
> and now that xm radio broadcasting is becoming available what bit/sapmle 
> rates are they transmitting also? does anynody know? thanks
> -Bob




From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Any info on "Hoontech Soundtrack" soundcard (Yamaha Digital-XG)?
Reply-To: <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:17:39 -0500 (CDT)

Has anyone used thie soundcard for DAT <-> PC transfers?  Is it
bit-pure?  It seems like a pretty good deal for $69 with AES/EBU
and optical+coax S/PDIF.

Here's a link:

<http://www.hoontech.com/product/soundcard/yamahaxg.htm>


-- 
Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.
wayne@hoxnet.com
http://www.hoxnet.com
PGP Key ID 138BCEE1




From: "Larry J Abballe" <abballe@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: DAT-heads Digest #31
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:25:40 -0400

>From: TANGUS999@aol.com
>Subject: direct tv and dish network dgital audio
>Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:12:38 EDT
>
>looking in the archives, i found nothing pertinent,so any help would be

>greatly appreciated.
>
>what kind of digital audio signal would i get from these units?16/44,
16/48 
>or lower? like 8/22? thanks
>i have been unable to find anything out on this subject.
>and now that xm radio broadcasting is becoming available what
bit/sapmle 
>rates are they transmitting also? does anynody know? thanks -Bob

I have Dish Network which is 16/48.








From: Arnie Stodolsky <astodols@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: ISO: Talk of the CIty - KPCC fm 9/3/01
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:19:25 -0700

KPCC in Los Angeles, broadcast 'The Folk Generation' reflections on Bob
Dylan, Joan Baez, Mimi and Richard Farina, Monday, 9/3. Guests were
David Hadjau and D.A. Pennebaker. I'm looking for either the original
broadcast at 1:00-2:30pm and/or the highlight rebroadcast from
9:00-10:00pm. Will accept dat, cdr or cassette. Lots to offer in trade.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Arnie



From: "Mike BB" <oongowa@rochester.rr.com>
Subject: FS: pair of Oktava MC-012's 
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:17:20 -0400

I'm going to upgrade so I'm selling my Oktava MC-012 mics to help
me along. I have two MC-012's with the cardoid caps, -10db pad,
mounting clips and hard plastic cases for each mic. They're in 
perfect condition, I probably used them around 20 times and have
always kept very good care of them. These mics are PERFECT for
someone that wants a great set of mics but doesn't want to spend
$1800 on them. All of my recordings sound excellent, and my
Schoeps/Neumann friends will agree. If you can do FTP/shn I'd be
happy to let you download a couple songs from me to hear what I've
done with them. I paid $350 for the pair about a year ago, I'd like to 
get $200. I will cover the shipping. These mics must go...SOON.
Thanks...

Mike Beebe






From: Sean Kennedy <liam@xo.com>
Subject: Re: Any info on "Hoontech Soundtrack" soundcard (Yamaha
Reply-To: Sean Kennedy <liam@fedney.tech.xo.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:21:30 -0400

--On Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:17 PM -0500 "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." 
<wayne@hoxnet.com> wrote:

> Has anyone used thie soundcard for DAT <-> PC transfers?  Is it
> bit-pure?  It seems like a pretty good deal for $69 with AES/EBU
> and optical+coax S/PDIF.

I looked into this a good number of months ago and
ended up pulling down the Yamaha datasheets and
coming to the conclusion that it did resampling.
I am pretty certain the actual card I was looking
at was based on the YMF744.

This time I got a bit lazy and am just quoting some
other articles.  One from the ALSA seems to indicate
that current Digital-XG cards based on the YMF754
might not resample, although the first article rules
that chipset out as "resampling" everything.

If you find someone definately with the YMF754,
drop me a line -- it would be nice to have AES/EBU
and its not so much $$ to just try it.

> Here's a link:
>
> <http://www.hoontech.com/product/soundcard/yamahaxg.htm>
S/PDIF sound card

===========
http://www.nomad.ee/micros/digitalaudio.html

After searching the web for a day and going through various reviews and 
datasheets, I was able to narrow my search to somewhat reasonable 
alternatives (in other words, exclude everything with words 'professional 
audio' in the description). After reading some more, I crossed out Creative 
(resampling everything to 48K), Terratec (Price), Yamaha YMF744 and YMF754 
XG cards (resampling everything). What was left is C-media chip which is 
cheap and does everything I need.
==============
http://www.alsa-project.org/archive/alsa-devel/msg06618.html

The latest hardware revision of the Digital XG uses a YMF754 rather than a 
YMF744.
According to Yamaha, there are exactly two differences:

- power supply/consumption (doesn't matter of course): this makes the 
YMF754 a
better chip for notebooks
- digital input: the YMF754 is able to record without resampling from the 
input,
even at 44.1 and 32kHz
===========

 Sean




From: brn2rnTR@netscape.net (Thomas Rosander)
Subject: Mic upgrade question
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:22:46 -0400

Hi everyone,

As I?m on my way to upgrade my mics seriously I am looking for some feedback from you guys.

The mics I consider to buy is MBHO 603a/KA200N and Neuman SKM140,
plus a Denecke PS2 for either one.

Now does anyone know how long a 9v batt. will go with the MBHO and the Neumanns?
Has anyone compared the sound of these two?
(I read a German magazine review of the MBHO648/KA200N today that compared them with Schoeps activecable mics, turned out the Schoeps won but at only due to a bit more lowend everything else seemed to be very much alike.)

I plan to run the mics directly from the PS2 into the mic pre of my Oade M1.
Would this be totally crazy, or not? Stealth is important here and I don?t like to carry around a lot of boxes.

If anyone has any comments on my questions I would be very happy to read them.
Thanks,
Thomas


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From: "vitamin worm" <vitamin_worm@hotmail.com>
Subject: Help Me Pick A Camcorder For Stealth Taping, Please!!!
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:07:35 -0500

Hi everyone,

I need a camcorder to record mostly live performances.  Although most will
be authorized there may be a few that are not.  The main features i am
looking for are:

1)  MUST be as small as possible
2)  Must have stereo sound.  The ability to attach external microphones
would be great but is not essential

It would also be nice to have some sort of LCD display but that is again not
essential.

My price range is $450 or less.

Thanks a lot in advance!

--Frank Morris--

FREE THE WEST MEMHPHIS THREE
http://www.wm3.org





From: RWhiteFang@aol.com
Subject: Re:  direct tv and dish network digital audio
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:08:50 EDT

Bob, re:

>looking in the archives, i found nothing pertinent,so any help would be greatly appreciated.

>what kind of digital audio signal would i get from these units?16/44, 16/48 or lower? like 8/22? thanks
i have been unable to find anything out on this subject.
and now that xm radio broadcasting is becoming available what bit/sapmle rates are they transmitting also? does anynody know? thanks

I just recorded The Direct TV Who PPV special onto DAT and 2 CDrs at the same time. I believe they used a 44... However, what was "odd" about it was the signal output was relatively low, the peaks came nowhere's near 0, yet the sound quality was excellent. I'm not sure if the low output was because of DTV or my Hughes box. I tried both the coax and optical outputs and the signal level was the same...

-wf




From: "Andy Liu" <dwonk@hotmail.com>
Subject: Bumbershoot Tapers: John and Mark?
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 15:48:40 -0700

John and Mark,

I just wanted to thank you again for your hospitality for letting me patch 
out of your rig during Galactic and Lost at Last.  You guys are wonderful 
and generous!  I never got a hold of email addresses since I was totally 
burnt after the multi day run, so if you guys know who you are please drop 
me a line!


Everyone else who wants to trade, please email me in two weeks as I'll be in 
FL.  All S/PDIF between decks:

Built to Spill, Key Arena (CSB>M1@44.1kHz)
Karl Denson's Tiny Universe, Memorial Stadium (Nak CM300>D7>M1)
Rusted Root, Memorial Stadium (Nak CM300>D7>M1)
Ratdog, Memorial Stadium (Nak CM300>D7>M1, tape flip cut)
Mountain Consolidated, Sky Church (CSB>M1@44.1kHz, some PA distortion)
Nebula, Sky Church (CSB>M1@44.1kHz)
Galactic, Memorial Stadium (Schoeps cmc6/mk41v>Lunatec V2>AD2K+>DAP1>M1)
Lost at Last, Space Needle (Schoeps cmc6/mk4>Lunatec V2>AD2K+>DAP1>M1)

ANDY
dwonk@hotmail.com


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From: "gordon wilson" <gordonlw@mindspring.com>
Subject: anyone taping Cowboy Junkies at HOB friday??
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:49:55 -0400

sorry for the waste of bw.  Wondering if anyone on the list is going to the
Myrtle HOB show Friday.  I'll be bring a D8 and would love to get patch set
up ahead of time.
Gordon





From: Shopkin@aol.com
Subject: coldplay 5-24-01 boston
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:53:09 EDT

. 
extra dat master of this show available for trade from wbcn's rebroadcast. 
reasonably clean fm signal to a sony dtc-690 @48khz, scms 11
on a maxell hs-4/60; show runs about 71 minutes with another 6 minutes of 
unedited ads.

if anyone's interested in a quick trade, please forward your list or url.
thanks,
steve
shopkin@aol.com



From: "Mr Mxblxyxh" <jackd49@hotmail.com>
Subject: Mecca Normal Tour
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 01:57:03 +0000

Hi all,

Mecca Normal are going on tour in a few days and if anyone could tape them 
I'd appreciate it.  Jean and David (MN) are encourage taping. All they are 
asking is to be given a copy later (that's where I come in).  If you wonder 
what they sound like, there are a few MP3s available at 
http://meccanormal.tripod.com

They are opening for Unwound on a lot of these dates so if you are planning 
to tape Unwound - get there early and catch MN.

SEPTEMBER, opening for Unwound
Fri 9/7 Toronto, ON Lee's Palace
Sat 9/8 Montreal, PQ Spanish Cultural Center
Sun 9/9 Amherst, MA Amherst College-Front Room
Tue 9/11 Cambridge, MA Middle East Underground
Wed 9/12 New York, NY Bowery Ballroom
Thu 9/13 Hoboken, NJ Maxwell's CMJ
Fri 9/14 Philadelphia, PA The Rotunda
Sat 9/15 Washington, DC Black Cat
Sun 9/16 Carrboro, NC Cat's Cradle
Mon 9/17 Athens, GA 40 Watt Club
Tue 9/18 Atlanta, GA Echo Lounge

Headlining these shows:
Fri 9/21 Toronto, El Mocambo, a tribute to The Fall
Sat 9/22 Hamilton, The Raven
Sun 9/23 Toronto, DAY: CANZINE, Around 7:30 Mecca Normal will perform a 30 
minute set at the end of the poetry reading.
Sun 9/23 NIGHT: Wavelength at Ted’s Wrecking Yard
Mon 9/24 Toronto live to air 10 PM - midnight EST on CIUT 89.5 www.ciut.fm

If you do get out to tape them, talk to them -- they'd like to meet their 
tapers.

Jack

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From: Greg <lists@tikcuf.com>
Subject: Re: direct tv and dish network dgital audio
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 23:04:31 -0400

When I record off of my RCA receiver, I get 48... though I am not sure what 
other info I get, but it sounds crystal clear to me.

Only had one thing not record, and that was Madonna's live show a few weeks 
back, it came up on my Sony portable as "COPY PROTECTED" and I did not have 
time to get the PCM-R300 out of the rack in my office to tape it that way.

Greg

At 01:50 PM 9/4/2001, you wrote:
>From: TANGUS999@aol.com
>Subject: direct tv and dish network dgital audio
>Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:12:38 EDT
>
>looking in the archives, i found nothing pertinent,so any help would be
>greatly appreciated.
>
>what kind of digital audio signal would i get from these units?16/44, 16/48
>or lower? like 8/22? thanks
>i have been unable to find anything out on this subject.
>and now that xm radio broadcasting is becoming available what bit/sapmle
>rates are they transmitting also? does anynody know? thanks
>-Bob




From: "Mike BB" <oongowa@rochester.rr.com>
Subject: pair of Oktava MC-012's...SOLD
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:23:33 -0400

SSIA. 




From: "John Kupchik" <blueskied@hotmail.com>
Subject: "line input vs. mic input" w/CSBs & bass roll off filter
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:30:33 -1000

Hi everyone,

I came across this bit of info on the Core Sound page (under the =
Attenuator cable section) which sorta confused me:

"And if you want to use a bass roll-off filter with your microphones , =
you can't use the Line input because its impedance is too high for the =
filter, so you should again be using an attenuator cable with the Mic =
input."

I have been taping my CSBs>Bass Roll-off Filter>Line input of D8. Should =
I be going into the Mic input??? Do I REALLY need an attenuator cable? I =
had no idea the roll off filter shouldn't go into the line input. I =
think my tapes sound pretty good into the line input, albeit I have to =
add EQ to boost the bass and highs when playing them back. Would they =
sound better through the mic input? I really am hesitant to do this =
because I have gotten distortion through the mic input, BUT that was =
before I had the bass roll off filter. UGH!!

If someone could make all this clear to me, I'd really appreciate it.

cheers,
john






From: "Adam Klein" <klein@fas.harvard.edu>
Subject: FS: barely used Sound Professionals premium AT853 mics
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 02:57:09 -0400

Here's what I've got:

Sound Professionals premium matched AT853 cardiod mics with alligator
clips, 2 interchangeable hypercardiod elements, the premium battery
module w\bass roll off, and the belt clip.

These are a great little set of mics, in mint condition.  I sold my DAT
deck, so I have little use for them now.   

Detailed info is on The Sound Professional's web pages, and I've listed
the prices found there:

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/moreinfopages/cardioid/spcmc3_4.html
(SP-CMC-4) $179
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/micaccess/batterymod.html (SP-BDF-2
premium) $79 + $7 for clip
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/micaccess/elements.html
(AT-AT853H-ELE) $80

I'm hoping for $300.

Thanks,
   AK



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