DAT-heads Digest #34, Volume #6 Thu, 6 Sep 01 00:50:00 EDT Contents: RE: Problems with Sony DGs (Art Munson) iso... ("Doug Nawrocki") First timer, some questions (kenko1@ix.netcom.com) Phish Tape Liquidation (lots of rare/uncirculated stuff) ("Paul Jones") any sun ra tapers/traders out there? (CEddy10165@aol.com) Re: ORTF Q (Alex Prestin) FS: Panasonic SV3800 w/extended warranty (Jason Heckathorn) Re: Mic upgrade question ("DRider") Re: "line input vs. mic input" w/CSBs & bass roll off filter ("John Kupchik") taping with omnis (Aaron Taylor) extra dats for trade (want blanks) ("astro zombie") extra dylan cdr's for trade ("Steve Trick") PJ Harvey 9/5 Hammerstein 20 min GAP! Help! Help! (Jesse Lackey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Art Munson Subject: RE: Problems with Sony DGs Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 14:59:17 -0700 Usually problems like this are hardware specific. Particularly because it's a single customer who has a problem out of hundreds of others using the same product in similar setups. In fact I have had customers send back product that would not work in the same make and model of a unit that I have but when the product is returned it works in my unit fine! One good test would be to try them in a different setup and see if the same problem occurs. If so it may be the media if not than it's a harware problem. Art www.tape.com > > ------------------------------ > > From: "Doug Nawrocki" > Subject: Problems with Sony DGs > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:31:52 -0400 > > Hey All, > I thought for a while that my Delta Audiophile was having a problem > adding clicks into stuff I was transferring but that seems odd considering > it successfully transferred several shows prior. I'm thinking > it's my DA-P1. > Besides than just that, all the shows that I seem to have issues > with are on > Sony data grades. I've used Maxell HS-4s, Verbatim DataLifes and Quantegy > Audio Tapes and all seem to have transferred without incident. I've had > issues with a Phil seed and a SCI seed, all on Sonys. The diginoise is > always in the form of pops. Could my deck be picky about the dats I'm > feeding it? Could it be time to service the deck? Could this all be > coincidence and it's more than likely really the soundcard? Thanks for any > help! > ------------------------------ From: "Doug Nawrocki" Subject: iso... Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:36:28 -0400 ...Warren Haynes at Deer Creek 7.15.01 and Ratdog at Pine Knob 7.17.01, both were Phil openers. I have SCI 7.15.01, Ratdog 7.18.01 and The Phil from Deer Creek, Pine Knob and Polaris to trade, prefer CDR... Peace, Doug __________________________________________ My Homepage http://www.supplicationjam.8k.com/ My CDR Trading List http://www.supplicationjam.8k.com/My%20CDR%20list.htm __________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: kenko1@ix.netcom.com Subject: First timer, some questions Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 18:37:45 -0400 Hi all, Sorry for the newbie email. I'm looking at plunking down a bit of cash for a nice stealth taping rig (as I don't go to taper friendly gigs...I should though). Don't know much about taping or where to begin. Some questions: 1) I'm looking at and considering a pair of Core Sound HEBs/DPA 4061, and they seem to be a better investment than the standard CSBs. I've heard a few recordings done on DPAs/CSHEBs and they sound spectacular. What other stealth mics would some of you recommend? 2) Since I'll be "crotching" it so to speak, what are some precautions I should take when hiding the mics? I know I want to avoid "kinks" in the line, especially near the mics, but how fragile are the CSHEBs/DPA's? 3) Right now I have a Philips CDR880 audio deck standalone CD burner. Rather than spending more $$$$$ on a DAT deck or double decker, or some sort of PC/sound card for cloning/CD transfers, would buying either a special digital optical or coax transfer cable(if it exists) for a DAT M1 and stick it in the digital outs of the Philips CDR880 make for a decent transfer? (Assuming I record at 44.1 kHz and everything goes well)? Lastly I'm looking for a few DAT0 > CDR shows. Please let me know if any tapers can offer these: 1) Travis - Live at Yerba Buena Gardens (outside San Francisco Metreon) June 12, 2001 2) Depeche Mode - San Jose Arena November 11(?), 1993 Lastly, I got a good DAT0 > CDR of the August 20, 2001 Hollywood Bowl show that came in today. CSB > M1, taped from the Terrace section, facing right side of stage. Looking for older DAT0 Radiohead shows or upgrades. Thanks, Ken CDR trade page: http://home.netcom.com/~kenko1 ------------------------------ From: "Paul Jones" Subject: Phish Tape Liquidation (lots of rare/uncirculated stuff) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 23:02:18 After eight great years of DAT taping and trading, it is unfortunately time for me to move on. Over the next two weeks I will be offering up a total of 500 Phish tapes, all in blocks of ten tapes each. Tapestock includes all the good stuff: Maxell HS4-60, Maxell HS4-90, Sony DTR-120 (min), Sony DG60, Sony DG90, KAO Gold 60, KAO Gold 90, and Panasonic 124 (min). Included are many rare, lowly-circulated, and uncirculated tapes. On semi-common to common shows, what are believed to be best available sources are what I have. From 1997 on, the highest quality Schoeps rigs in the most knowledgeable mastering hands is what was employed. For each block of ten tapes each, I would ask for the going rate of new Maxell HS-4 blanks (the predominant tapestock in my collection). Based on current prices from Terrapin Tapes and Masterpiece AV (and with an average between 60m tapestock and 90m tapestock), this works out to be $2.95/tape. UPS shipping will be $5.00/block, which makes the total price for a block of ten tapes (including shipping) $34.50. Below are the first seven blocks I will offer up. Please email me and include the block number that you are interested in. Thanks. Block #3 9.27.87 I SBD > MCASS > DAT 5.28.89 /II, III SBD > MCASS > DAT 2.25.90 II/11.30.91 II DSBD/ DSBD 7.26.91 II Shure SM-57>Casio D7 9.26.91 all Nak 300>Casio DA2 4.21.92 II/8.14.92 all SBD > CASS(1) > DAT/ DSBD 7.17.93 I FOB B&K 4011 8.24.93 SND, I SBD > CASS(1) > DAT 6.14.94 I Nak 300 3.1.97 I SBD > DSS > DAT 5.22.00 all Neumann U89>Apogee AD-1000>DA-P1 Block #11 10.31.86 I/11.18.87 II AUD>CASS(?)>DAT/AUD>CASS(1)>DAT 11.3.89 all/6.16.90 I SBD > MCASS > DAT/DSBD 10.5.90 all FOB Sennheiser 441>D5>MCASS >DAT 7.12.91 II SBD > CASS(?) > DAT 10.6.91 I SBD > CASS(1) +CASS(2) > DAT 7.11.92 all/12.9.89 I SBD>MCASS>DAT/SBD > MCASS > DAT 2.15.93 II AKG 460 5.1.93 II Schoeps CMC54>Sonosax>Sony D10 11.18.94 all AKG 460 12.2.97 II Schoeps CMC64>EAA PSP-2>DA-P1 Block #16 4.1.86 AUD > CASS(2) > DAT 12.29.92 all AKG 460 2.25.93 all DAUD 5.1.93 SND, all SBD > CASS(1) > DAT 10.26.94 all AKG C-1000 11.11.95 all Schoeps CMC641>Sonosax SX-M2>HHb 12.30.97 II Schoeps CMC64>EAA>DA-P1 7.10.98 all FOB Schoeps mk4>VMS 02IB>SBM-1>HHb 12.3.99 all Schoeps CMC64>Apogee AD-1000>DA-P1 5.4.00 all (Oysterhead) FOB Schoeps MK4>Sonosax SX-M2>APOGEE AD-1000>DA-P1 Block #25 6.21.88 I/2.8.88 I SBD>CASS(2)>DAT/AUD>CASS(4)>DAT 4.5.91 all SBD > MCASS > DAT 4.21.93 all Radio Shack PZM 6.14.94 II Nak 300 12.6.94 II FOB Schoeps 11.22.95 all Neumann KM184 3.1.97 II SBD > DSS > DAT 4.4.98 II Schoeps CMC64>EAA PSP-2>DA-P1 7.4.99 all Schoeps CMC64>APOGEE AD-1000>DA-P1 9.23.00 all Schoeps CMC641>Apogee>DA-P1 Block #32 10.15.86 all SBD > MCASS > DAT 10.12.88 all SBD > CASS(?) > DAT 4.12.91 all SBD > MCASS > DAT 7.22.93 all SBD > CASS(1) > DAT 5.16.94 all B&K 4060 6.23.95 all AKG C-1000>D7 11.30.96 II FOB Neumann KM140 6.22.97 all DAUD 8.9.98 I Schoeps CMC641>Sonosax>DA-P1 3.3.01 all (Trey) Schoeps CMC64>Apogee AD-1000>DA-P1 Block #35 11.20.92 II AKG 460/ck61>DAP-20 2.7.93 II DAUD 4.26.94 all/11.3.98 all FM > DAT/FM > DAT 10.27.94 II Sennheiser 441 6.25.95 all Sony ECM959>D7 11.25.95 II FOB AKG 460/ck61 2.20.97 I/7.6.97 SND Schoeps CMC64>Oade>SBM-1>DA-P1 AKG C407B+Shure vp88 8.7.98 II Schoeps CMC64>Lunatec V2>DA-P1 5.11.99 II (Trey) Schoeps MK4v>KC5>VMS 02IB>DA-P1 6.22.00 all Schoeps CMC641>Apogee>DA-P1 Block #44 12.1.84 all/3.4.85 all SBD>CASS(?)>DAT/SBD>CASS(1)>DAT 11.5.88 II/,III/9.24.88III SBD>CASS(2)>DAT/SBD>MCASS>DAT 3.30.89 I,II SBD > CASS(?) > DAT 10.26.89 II SBD > MCASS > DAT 4.5.90 II SBD > MCASS > DAT 2.16.91 all Neumann KM150 11.13.91 II AKG 451/ck61 5.1.93 I Schoeps CMC54>Sonosax>Sony D10 4.9.94 II FOB AKG 460 6.24.95 all AKG C-1000 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: CEddy10165@aol.com Subject: any sun ra tapers/traders out there? Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:05:26 EDT any sun ra tapers/traders out there? please email me offlist. Thanks for the b/w CBE ------------------------------ From: Alex Prestin Subject: Re: ORTF Q Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:15:01 -0400 (EDT) > Tom, when you get round to running trials with the above widely spaced > array, you will soon discover all sorts of anomalies...unconvincing image > which swims like a fish, huge hole in the middle etc. I've gotten the former already with ORTF. I don't know why it happens, but when I run my mics outdoors with windscreens, the image tends to wander around a little. Nothing too noticeable, but it gets on my nerves when I'm really paying attention to it. I haven't noticed the hole in the middle on any of the split-recording tapes I've heard so far, though (nor on any ORTF tapes, of course.) Is the presence or absence of a hole really just a function of how widely spaced the mics are? Also, and more importantly, is running mics split ever a good idea, or should we all stick with ORTF, which produces good enough tapes 80% of the time, or some other near-coincident or coincident setup? The tapes I've heard so far seem to indicate that split recordings can sound excellent. Personally, I'd like to get to the point where I know which technique to use in any given situation to make the best tape possible with my equipment. - A.P. -- +------------------------------------+------------------+ | "Who would have thought hell would | NIC: AP5514 40 | | exist, and that it would be in New | http://bitey.net | | Jersey?" - Leela, Futurama ep. 9 | wakko@bitey.net | +------------------------------------+------------------+ ------------------------------ From: Jason Heckathorn Subject: FS: Panasonic SV3800 w/extended warranty Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Hello all. I've got a SV3800 that needs a new home. The deck is mint, fresh from a once over at the local shop. It hasn't ever seen much use or 90m tapes. Total hour meter reads 655 hours of use. Box, remote, manual included as well as extended warranty until 8/25/2003. Selling now as I'm finally able to purchase a burner. Asking price is $600 - but no respnable offer will be refused. Buyer pays shipping costs and I've got a few extras & blank tapes to throw in. Please Email me at ja2488@yahoo.com with offers, questions or for more information. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "DRider" Subject: Re: Mic upgrade question Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:14:46 -0400 But wait! Behind door #2 we have...... Another option: Going straight into the M1 and using it's puny pre-amp and A/D could be problematic...... Even if you have the Oade mod. How do you know? you may ask.... Well, I own an M1 w/ the Oade pre-amp mod. When I first bought my "rig" it was mics, stand, cables and AKG B-18's. I already had the M1 w/ Oade pre-amp mod. The guy that I bought my "rig" from had an HHB so he did not worry about a pre-amp or A/D converter...... I had the Oade's make me some XLR>RCA cables and I was off to tape Ratdog at the HOB. I made sure that I was DEAD center. One channel was still higher than the other and I had no control over that. Plus, even though I ran my levels conservatively, the puny little M1 just could not handle the peaks from my Josephsons. I was disappointed. I called Doug and he said that I needed something w/ a little more meat than the M1. I previously had been running a friend's rig which included the Denecke PS-1's and the Zefiro Inbox. So I called up Len Moskowitz and bought the Inbox. I have been very very happy w/ the Inbox and it works well in the stealth situation. In fact, another friend of mine has designed an elastic belt that holds these units in place under his shirt. Now, I do not recommend the AKG B-18's to anyone. I also prefer the Denecke PS-1 to the PS-2. It's very important to keep the power to you mics as close to 48v as possible for peak performance. I know the MBHO's have a similar sound to my Josephsons. Several of my friends run them w/ the Sound Devices MP-2 and have no problem powering them. However, I have heard from a few people that the MBHO's are power hogs. I am not sure how true this is...... I also see the Neumann 140's run w/ many various pre-amps and I am unsure of their powering needs...... My friend Ben is the only person that I know of that runs the PS-2. He powers his AKG 480's w/ no problem w/ the PS-2. I am not sure if their powering needs are similar to the MBHO's and 140's or not..... I can tell you that if you plan on getting either brand of mic that you mentioned and run them straight into your M1, you will be disappointed. You just may be searching for a Zefiro Inbox if you wanna stay compact. I used an Oade 248 in place of my Denecke's and Zefiro at WSP 12/30/00. It sounded pretty good, but it lacked the bass and clarity that my Zefiro had the next night at nearly the same height and location... Hope this helps! D-Rider > > From: brn2rnTR@netscape.net (Thomas Rosander) > (snip!) > The mics I consider to buy is MBHO 603a/KA200N and Neuman SKM140, > plus a Denecke PS2 for either one. > (snip!) > I plan to run the mics directly from the PS2 into the mic pre of my > Oade M1. > Would this be totally crazy, or not? Stealth is important here and I > don?t like to carry around a lot of boxes. ------------------------------ From: "John Kupchik" Subject: Re: "line input vs. mic input" w/CSBs & bass roll off filter Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:30:32 -1000 First off, thanks to everyone who wrote me and supplied me with advice = on the above topic. It is much appreciated. Now I have a clearer picture = of all this. In reply to Bill: >=20 > From: Bill Shaw > Subject: RE: "line input vs. mic input" w/CSBs & bass roll off filter > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:54:08 -0700 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > I don't have the setup you have but I do have a couple of comments: >=20 > 1. If something is working for you, like using the bass roll-off with = line > in, well then let the good time roll! If it ain't broke, yada yada = yada... Yeah, this seems like what I'm going to be doing, for the short term at = least. Plus I live in Hawaii now and there's close to NOTHING to tape = here anyway!! haha. >=20 > 2. WHY are you using the bass roll-off in the first place if you need = to > boost the bass later during playback?? Well, the reason I got the roll off box is that I was getting annoying = bass distortion (and/or really boomy bass) once in awhile without it. So = I figured it better to be safe and roll it off during recording, then EQ = it back in during playback. But in essence, as Len stated, going into = the line input via a bass roll off filter renders the filter null, and = so it's as if I'm just going into the line input through a regular = battery box. I should note that instances I was getting bass distortion = before were through the MIC input. So I should probably just get the = attenuator cable so if i really NEED the bass roll off I can go through = the mic input, if not I won't use the attenuator and just plug into the = Line in.=20 all the best, john ------------------------------ From: Aaron Taylor Subject: taping with omnis Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1904 03:33:57 -0500 I need some advice on using mics with an omni polar pattern.Specificly using spaced omnis and a stereo pair of cards in the center and mixing with a Mackie or portable mixer.I'm looking into buying the Geffells,AKG 480 or Earthworks.If anybody has any experience recording with omnis and has the time please e-mail me offlist to go over a few things with me.Thanks. BWT: Radiators 6-22-01 Cats Cradle Chapel Hill N.C. km184>V2>AD2K>DAP1 for the first to e-mail me -Aaron ------------------------------ From: "astro zombie" Subject: extra dats for trade (want blanks) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:36:44 -0500 SSIA. please email for list of extras, lots of rock n roll w/ source info - thanks! Carl _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Steve Trick" Subject: extra dylan cdr's for trade Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 03:57:54 if anyone is interested, i have 2 extra dylan shows for trade. 3/2/2001 Yokohama, Japan - Pacifico-Yokohama (2 cdr's) 3/6/2001 Osaka, Japan - Kosei-Nenkin Hall (2 cdr's) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Jesse Lackey Subject: PJ Harvey 9/5 Hammerstein 20 min GAP! Help! Help! Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 00:07:58 -0400 Hi Everyone Due to my misguided faith in the sony d8 and myself, I have a 20 min gap on the tape I just made @ hammerstein. You'd think I'd learn. From the end of Whores Hustle to the middle of sky light up. About 20 min I think. I put it into "hold" mode (w/o checking that it did in fact go into hold - hey, it was stealth, and I was taping solo) and put it in my pocket. Checking later - it was off. F#ck! Okay now the grovel - I'll take ANYTHING, no matter how poor sounding, to edit (digitally on my PC) into my tape. I have mucho PJ to trade, including last nite (tues 9/4). (both shows Core Sound battery box > d8 from dead center 50' from stage) !! PLEASE HELP !! I will be making CDs of both shows, I'd love to give you copies. Thanks ... in advance ... grovel grovel ... snif Jesse ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. Problems or questions about a subscription should be addressed via these avenues and then if needed to dat-heads-owner@datheads.phish.net or postmaster@datheads.phish.net never the list itself You can submit a message for inclusion in the next digest via this address: Internet: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net Archives of DAT-Heads digests and related files are available on the DAT-Heads home page: http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/ End of DAT-Heads Digest ******************************