DAT-heads Digest #38
Contents:
Nightingale Pro 6 mine is introducing noise... (Aaargh) (Tim Newman)
Re : Big Head Todd taping / ISO tapers!! ("Ryan :-" )
F/T Neil Finn & Band of Strangers 2001 ("David Carroll")
P/P: 03/11/95 (Hirokazu Hara)
DAT > HD and EAC questions ("Popivchak, Pete")
Frampton 6 Mar 74 Ebbett's Field, Denver UPGRADE NEEDED! (thx) (JH)
Husker Du/Jane's Addiction trades anyone?? (eric nelson)
B+P offer : Ratdog 11.3.98 Milwaukee, Wi. (eric nelson)
anyone tape Shakti? (Ryan Blum)
ordering discs online... (DM13DM@aol.com)
data dat recorder ("Mike Hooker")
Steve Wynn / The Days Of Wine And Roses tour (Rob Gronotte)
ISO: ProDigital/ Paul Plotnik contact info (Delano)
Re: Nightingale Pro 6 mine is introducing noise... (Aaargh) ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.")
Re: D8 ejection troubles/blank recordings ("Patrick J. Volkerding")
Re: Zoltrix Nightingale with Midiman Drivers ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.")
MMW 9/7/01 (Sean Dougherty)
Denecke PS2 ("Dan O'Neal")
new sblive audigy cards... do they resample? (Larry Fiske)
From: Tim Newman <i3lkpeter@yahoo.com>
Subject: Nightingale Pro 6 mine is introducing noise... (Aaargh)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 00:48:48 -0700 (PDT)
Mine showed up earlier this week. Installed quite painlessly blah,
blah,blah.
Only problem is I'm getting some noise. The noise is virtually
inaudible thru speakers, but when I listen via headphones I can hear
"pops and clicks". The sound is subtle, but can be distracting
especially when listening to some crisp DSBD's. Seems like the
louder the passage the more noticeable it is. I also noticed that my
D8>oade active cable>coax>S/PDIF seemed to produce the noise more
often than my DA-P1>coax>S/PDIF. Tried re-installing, updating
directx, I have the most current driver from Zoltrix etc. At a
complete loss. Aaaargh. Anybody else out there experience this? What
gives?
FWIW, my setup: PC (733 PIII, 384MB RAM), Win98 (not 2nd edition)
-T
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From: "Ryan : <>
Subject: Re : Big Head Todd taping / ISO tapers!!
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 08:17:23 -0400
I'd like to get in touch with anyone taping at a festival they're playing at
in Deadwood, SD this Saturday ~~> http://www.deadwoodjam.com So far I don't
know of anyone.
Ryan
http://www.geocities.com/ghettorichboy/
>------------------------------
>
>From: David McGee <keytohwy@staffnet.com>
>Subject: Big Head Todd taping
>Reply-To: keytohwy@staffnet.com
>Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 18:06:40 -0400
>
>Been trying to find some Big Head Todd & Monsters DATs has proved
>difficult. I wrote them via their website and here is their response.
>They are now allowing audience taping. They ask that we do not bother
>the sound man with board patches. They also do not ask for copies of
>the shows, but ask us, the tapers, to spread the tapes far and wide.
>They have a new lp out very soon, so please tape if you can. If you
>have tapes, please get in touch!
>
> > Official Taping Policy:
> > -Taping is great as long as the venue allows (Unfortunately, some
>don't.)
> > -For personal use and trading only
> > -No board patch
> > -Please don't bother sound man [;-)]
> > Stacey
> > --
> > Big Head Todd and the Monsters
> > http://www.bigheadtodd.com
>
>
> > Big Head Todd and the Monsters wrote:
> >
> > We don't need copies of the tapes, however, we would love it if you
>would post them on http://www.etree.org/
> > Are you able to do this?
> > Stacey
>
>
> > Does Dat-heads have a website? Let me know when you post anything-the
>band is very enthusiastic to allow taping and trading now that they are out
>from underneath the control of Giant Records!
> > Thanks again,
> > Stacey
>
>
>WOW! Quite a stance....
>
>DAVE
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From: "David Carroll" <Led.Zepfan@btinternet.com>
Subject: F/T Neil Finn & Band of Strangers 2001
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:13:40 +0100
Hi
I have the following to offer on dat or cdr:
Neil Finn & the band of Strangers at the Music Factory Sheffield 8 Aug
2001
I am looking for recent shows from Neil Finn or any related Neil Finn
material.
Regards
Dave
From: Hirokazu Hara <hara00@tip.ne.jp>
Subject: P/P: 03/11/95
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:17:13 +0900
Hello all
I am looking for the below show:
(JIMMY PAGE AND ROBERT PLANT)
03/11/1995
UNO Lakefront Arena,
New Orleans, LA
U.S.A.
So I would like to this show direct from the taper (Don't need to the
D2, D3 ..... and Dn). I also collecting the Stones, Dylan, N.Young,
J.Beck, Clapton, Costello, P.Floyd and Zepp.
I have a lots of [Master to D1] to trade.
Hiro
From: "Popivchak, Pete" <PPopivchak@GardenWay.com>
Subject: DAT > HD and EAC questions
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 09:41:23 -0400
Hey Now:
Several questions for the group... Not that my road runner cable modem is
hooked up, I've started letting friends download SHN files of recent shows
that I've taped. But I'm concerned about executing certain tasks while
several folks are downloading data. In a nutshell, is it safe for me to:
1) transfer from DAT to my hard drive with downloading in the background...
is there any real risk that i will corrupt the files i'm transferring?
2) similarly, is there any danger in EAC discs while downloading is
occuring in the background?
My system info is: PCM-M1 > Coax > Audiophile 24/96 > SoundForge 5.0
Computer is a a Dell Dimension 4100 with PIII and 256 RAM.
This dilema occurs as I've typically got DATs to convert to disc (and later
SHN) and my buds will be downloading for the foreseable future and I don't
want to have errors on the music i listen to or circulate.
Thanks, in advance, for any and all input!
Please reply to my home email: ppopivch@nycap.rr.com
Cheers,
Pete
From: JH <kc7fys@pro-ns.net>
Subject: Frampton 6 Mar 74 Ebbett's Field, Denver UPGRADE NEEDED! (thx)
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 08:49:31 -0600
Hello,
As is occasionally the case with CDR, a disc just won't play in any drive,
even at 1X. I've shopped this thing all around the house, and nothing
plays it, but EAC will extract it in 'burst mode' which yields an
understandably horrible result. I remember having heard this show when it
entered my archive, but heaven knows how. Anybody got this show on DAT,
CDR or other? (Even multigen analog would beat this copy...).
Thanks, thousands of hours to trade,
Jonathan
From: eric nelson <EyeandIGlass@netzero.net>
Subject: Husker Du/Jane's Addiction trades anyone??
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 09:48:27 -0400
Hey ya'll, I am looking to make some trades for any Husker Du and
Jane's Addiction live stuff out there, dat or cd, here's what I have to
trade on dat:
Janes 10.31.97 Hammerstein Ballroom N.Y.C. Pre FM>DAT
Janes 11.22.97 Bill Graham C.C. San Francisco, Ca. FOB Schoeps (No
model # avail.)
Husker 9.29.85 1st Ave. Mineapolis, Mn. sbd
Husker 7.1.83 Casa de la Raza santa barabra, ca. aud.
Husker 1986 Boston, Ma. sbd (liberated boot)
Husker 1987 "supernova" sbd (liberated boot)
the huskers fit on 2 60m dats... the jane's are one 60m each
also Janes on cd:
10.23.86 Pyramid Club Los Angeles, Ca. Sbd ? >d>c 1 disc
2.14.87 The Scream Los Angeles, Ca. Sbd>?>D>CD 53 mins. 1 disc
Anybody interested??! I will also trade for live smashing pumpkins or
guns and roses.
Thanks and hope to hear from some of you soon!
Eric
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From: eric nelson <EyeandIGlass@netzero.net>
Subject: B+P offer : Ratdog 11.3.98 Milwaukee, Wi.
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 09:51:32 -0400
I have one copy of this Ratdog show that I will give as a b+p for one
new, labelles, sealed, maxell hs4 60m or sony dg60p dat tape. It was
taped by dat-head scott mcpherrin, here is the lineage:
11.3.98 Riverside Th. Milwaukee, Wi. NeumannKm184>Starquad>Denecke
PS-IS>SBM-1>PCM-M1
First person to reply gets it. tThanks,
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From: Ryan Blum <rblum@fas.harvard.edu>
Subject: anyone tape Shakti?
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 10:42:00 -0700
Hello,
Has anyone taped any shows of John McLaughlin and Zakir Hussain's Indo-jazz
supergroup, Shakti? I'm planning to do a marathon radio show (www.whrb.org),
and I'm trying to find all the random stuff I can get. I don't have much to
offer as of now (I will be taping some great Hindustani performances this
month), but you will get a shout out on Boston's biggest jazz station.
Thanks,
Ryan
From: DM13DM@aol.com
Subject: ordering discs online...
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:23:00 EDT
Where's a good place to order Mitsui discs online?
Please contact me off list.
Thanks in advance!
Take care,
Bob
dm13dm@aol.com
From: "Mike Hooker" <mhooker@optonline.net>
Subject: data dat recorder
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:39:51 -0400
hi,
i was given a wangtek 4mm scsi drive. the model is 6200HS. does anyone
know if this can be made to a working audio DAT recorder , as some other
types can be?
thanks much
take at look at my music trading list
http://www.oe-pages.com/ARTS/Ballet/mikehooker
or:
http://pages.zdnet.com/mikehooker/hookstradingpage
have fun,
Mike Hooker
From: Rob Gronotte <rob@patriot.net>
Subject: Steve Wynn / The Days Of Wine And Roses tour
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:47:06 -0400 (EDT)
For those of you not very familiar with him, Wynn used to be in a band
called the Dream Syndicate; now their first album, "The Days Of Wine And
Roses" is being resissued, and in conjunction with that Steve's band will
be playing the entire album at his upcoming solo shows. Format will
probably be; first a set of newer material (maybe about an hour or so),
then the album set, possibly after a break. The entire show will probably
be 2 to 2 1/2 hours.
I hope some of these shows will get taped, I know many people on the Wynn
mailing list are excited about them. I will be seeing two East Coast
shows, but here he is not the headliner so will not be playing the full
album. If anyone wants more information about the music or anything else,
please let me know, and if you know of anyone else in the areas listed
please forward this to them and let me know who they are. Thanks!
By the way, Steve encourages taping of his sets, so it won't be a problem
with him, although I don't know anything about the policies of the venues.
He normally allows taping from the board as well, although I imagine these
places are all pretty small and the house mix wouldn't sound very good on
a tape (unless you can get the soundman to give you a special mix).
SEPTEMBER 21 HOLLYWOOD, CA KNITTING FACTORY
SEPTEMBER 23 SAN FRANCISCO, CA MAKE OUT ROOM
SEPTEMBER 24 EUGENE, OR JOHN HENRY'S
SEPTEMBER 25 PORTLAND, OR BLACKBIRD
SEPTEMBER 26 SEATTLE, WA CROCODILE CAFE
Rob
Why don't you come up and surf me sometime? --> http://www.patriot.net/users/rob
From: Delano <eagle-winged-palace@home.com>
Subject: ISO: ProDigital/ Paul Plotnik contact info
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 14:15:00 -0400
Can someone please tell me how to get in touch with Paul Plotnik at
ProDigital? (I need to get a Sony D8 and Tascam CDRW700 repaired.)
Take Care,
Delano
http://www.geocities.com/digitaldelano/
From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Re: Nightingale Pro 6 mine is introducing noise... (Aaargh)
Reply-To: <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:12:29 -0500 (CDT)
On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Tim Newman wrote:
> Mine showed up earlier this week. Installed quite painlessly blah,
> blah,blah.
>
> Only problem is I'm getting some noise. The noise is virtually
> inaudible thru speakers, but when I listen via headphones I can hear
> "pops and clicks". The sound is subtle, but can be distracting
> especially when listening to some crisp DSBD's. Seems like the
> louder the passage the more noticeable it is. I also noticed that my
> D8>oade active cable>coax>S/PDIF seemed to produce the noise more
> often than my DA-P1>coax>S/PDIF. Tried re-installing, updating
> directx, I have the most current driver from Zoltrix etc. At a
> complete loss. Aaaargh. Anybody else out there experience this? What
> gives?
>
> FWIW, my setup: PC (733 PIII, 384MB RAM), Win98 (not 2nd edition)
I've noticed this on my Midiman 2448 (same chipset as the zoltrix)
somewhat. Make sure all the other analog channels are muted. The mic,
line-in and cd-in are all fed through a pretty crappy pre-amp and
it will introduce unwanted noise into a purely digital stream.
With the channels set to zero (or muted) the preamp is disengaged
from the rest of the digital circuitry.
As far as the cabling goes, I don't know what gives. I've got an
active sony 7pin (american digital) that causes pops and clicks apart
from the above mentioned scenario. I called their tech support about
it but they said they'd never heard of such a thing and didn't see
how it could be related. I don't get this problem with my cheap
purely passive core-sounds cable. Anyway, for archiving purposes I
use a Midiman CO-2 and an optical cable and I don't get any unwanted
noise (to test this, I left the deck plugged in and CO-2 active but
no tape playing and recorded an hour of silence. The resulting file
was 100% zeros).
--
Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.
wayne@hoxnet.com
http://www.hoxnet.com
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From: "Patrick J. Volkerding" <spamme@slackware.com>
Subject: Re: D8 ejection troubles/blank recordings
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:16:36 -0700 (PDT)
>I used a new 90meter dat for the show. I was a little paranoid about the
>last time this happened so I recorded the minute of crowd noise, rewound,
>played and saw the meters bumping from the recorded crowd
>noise. Comfortable that I had once again avoided 'that thing' I rewound
>the tape and recorded a new minute of crowd noise before taping the
>show. 3 hours later, when I hit stop, then try to eject the dat, the dat
>hangs up in the slot (not ejecting from the sled). I reinserted, then
>tried re-ejecting (without luck). I re-inserted then rewound the tape to
>find it blank (with errors).
Ah yes, the blank D7/D8 syndrome. I was stung myself on 7/2/95.
You ARE on the right track with your D8 ritual. There's only one small
addition -- as you're playing back the test signal on the leader, hit
PAUSE. Then hit RECORD to put the deck into record-pause mode. Then
you'll be ready to roll. The key is to go straight from a playback test
to actually recording without letting the tape unload. If the tape unloads
(this can happen any time you use STOP, REWIND, or FF) it might not load
correctly again. I've only experienced the problem with 90m tape, but I
use this method with 60m too, figuring it can't hurt.
I think I learned that trick here actually... whoever it was, thanks! :)
Take care,
Pat
From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Re: Zoltrix Nightingale with Midiman Drivers
Reply-To: <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:48:06 -0500 (CDT)
On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, -bob wrote:
> Hey-
>
> Before I forget this one.
> Someone mentioned, this evening, that they were running a Zoltrix spdif
> soundcard, but used Midiman DiO 2448 drivers.
> They said that the chips are identical and when used fully digital
> didn't resample.
> They just liked the Midiman interface better.
>
> Would this make for any funtional differences?
> Is the CMI 8738 IC Chip "programmable" or is just all the interface?
> If I use the clunkier Zoltrix interface, do I get the same effective
> results?
> Are the discrete components on the soundboards used in any way for
> digital I/O ?
>
> Thanks for any ideas/info that you might share.
It's purely a matter of preference. The interfaces don't change any
of the chip functionality. The CMI8738 is completely self-contained
and no external signal processing is used in any of the cards that
I know of using this chipset.
The CMI8738 has a switchable S/PDIF output from 0.5V to 5V in order to
drive an optical jack, but this is not used in any of the cards I'm
aware of. They all utilize separate circuitry to drive the optical
jacks so that they can be used concurrently and seamlessly with the
coax interfaces.
--
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wayne@hoxnet.com
http://www.hoxnet.com
PGP Key ID 138BCEE1
From: Sean Dougherty <gribulet@yahoo.com>
Subject: MMW 9/7/01
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:25:33 -0700 (PDT)
Went to this show friday night in Hartford. Thanks to
Eric McRoberts left with some very nice tapes. Source
is: fob/dfc: schoeps cmc64>lunatec 316>sbm-1
Show is on 2x60m. This offer is for dat only. Looking
for trades. Later.
-Sean
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From: "Dan O'Neal" <dan@phish.madspace.com>
Subject: Denecke PS2
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:16:20 -0700 (PDT)
Hello, I was wondering how well the Denecke PS2 works. I am looking to get
one to power my KM140's for stealth. How is the sound quality? Can I go
straight from the PS2 to my M1 without any problems (assuming I get the
1/4" modified one)? Any help is greatly appreciated!
Peace
Dan
From: Larry Fiske <thegreatlarro@yahoo.com>
Subject: new sblive audigy cards... do they resample?
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:10:17 -0700 (PDT)
Hello,
SB just released new soundcards with a new chipset...
Here is the link:
http://www.americas.creative.com/products/category.asp?Category=165&MainCategory=1
does anyone know if they do the horrible auto-resample, like
on the previous cards?
thanks for the info in advance...
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Larry Fiske
thegreatlarro@yahoo.com
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