DAT-heads Digest #45, Volume #6 Sun, 16 Sep 01 00:50:01 EDT Contents: dat2wav (Alan Saferstein) FT: G3 in San Diego (".") Re: 96K Hoopla ("Gary Davis") Audiophile for Win2k ("Doug Nawrocki") Audiophile2496 & NI-MH batteries ("Jamie Lutch") Re: 96K Hoopla (Seth Breidbart) Extra DATS ("Trey Woodruff") Todd Snyder/ John Prine.... ("Michael Ryan") FT: Billy Joel 6/10/76 Bottom Line, NYC ("liverich@sunlink.net") ISO: Frank Marino 9-9-01, montreal ("Mark E.") FS: Schoeps CCM4 Microphones and extras (Matthew Blum) Taper needed: KCRW, Santa Monica, CA, Sunday, 16 Sept 2001 (Nadyne Mielke) Black Sabbath 8/12/01, and picking up where I left off... ("john e. bogus") Vinyl ("DRider") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alan Saferstein Subject: dat2wav Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 01:24:16 -0400 I use vdat and highly recommend it. It works excellent with my Seagate/SGI DDS in Win98 SR2. Alan ======================================================== From: "Jamie Lutch" Subject: dat2wav & Audiophile 2496 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:36:20 -0700 I was never able to get it to work correctly (in other words, it extracts, but cant repeat it again with the same bits). To me that makes it unsuitable for transfers! > > From: Erich Eyler > > Subject: dat2wav questions > > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:59:25 -0400 > > > > If someone has gotten dat2wav working, > > could they please give me a shout. > > > > -Erich =============================================================== NetZero Platinum Only $9.95 per month! Sign up in September to win one of 30 Hawaiian Vacations for 2! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ------------------------------ From: "." Subject: FT: G3 in San Diego Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:32:16 -0700 G3 - John Petrucci, Steve Vai & Joe Satriani San Diego, CA June 28, 2001 Taped all three acts DFC - John Petrucci, Steve Vai & Joe Satriani. Sound is really good, performances were amazing - especially Steve Vai - un-flipping-beleivable. Sony TCD-D100 DAT & Sound Professional slimline cardiods (AT853s) DAT >> 7-pin digital out thingy >> Delta DiO 2496 >> Sound Forge >> CDWav >> Nero Let me know if you are interested in trading. Each musician is on a separate CD, 3 discs total with the encore on the end of the Satriani disc only. I will also be B&P and vining this show as well once initial trades are completed. ***READ THIS*** My single, simple request is that you do NOT sell this, spread the music - make mp3s, play and copy this for your friends, trade, (and buy the studio albums!). DO NOT sell this, it is not yours - the music belongs to the musicians. Seriously - don't be a dickhead. ~ chunksmyhero@yahoo.com http://bootleg.madwizard.net:5150/ set times: John Petrucci - 41:56 Steve Vai - 50:55 Joe Satriani - 71:46 w/ encore _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Gary Davis" Subject: Re: 96K Hoopla Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:29:44 -0700 I second what Bob has said. There is no scientific evidence that people can hear frequencies higher than a 48K or even 44.1K recorder can capture. (Ie, approx 22KHz and 20Khz respectively, with the low-pass filtering). Higher sampling rates are a scam to sell tons of new equipment, more media, and sadly, render DAT tape obsolete. Going beyond 16 bits is a touch more controversial. It does give you more dynamic range, but especially for live recordings, you would never have any sound quiet enough to take advantage of bits 17-24. On the other hand, some people claim that lowering distortion in very soft sounds is beneficial. I don't really buy that either. More than 16 bits could be useful in multitrack recording, where you're combining the noise floor of many tracks; especially in live situations where you don't know how loud things will be and want to set conservative levels. But for 2-channel audience tapes, and soundboard tapes unless all the gear is A+ (example:phish), I seriously doubt you could hear more than 16 bits, and I guarantee you can't hear above 48K sampling (ie: 22KHz frequency response on a Sony portable dat). Now - for people trying to make direct hard disk recordings - your bigest problem will be data loss because you are getting too much data too fast. So the absolute last thing you'd want to do is double or triple the amount of data you need to record, for no audio benefit, and also virtually no way to play back the original "highband" recording. --Gary ------------------------------ From: "Doug Nawrocki" Subject: Audiophile for Win2k Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 06:31:11 -0400 Hey Brad and All, I have Winblows2000 and it did take me using the new drivers, which Delta has had out for the last 3 months now, to get it to work. The driver revision is 5.12.1.20. If you're not using that one, it is available at MAudio/Midiman's website. You need to totally remove the existence of any current driver and even change the PCI slot prior to installing the new driver, MAudio also has a file on the site that will get any existing driver off there. The driver issue wasn't the only issue I had to resolve with the Audiophile and Win2k. Win2k has a pretty bad habit of sharing mass devices IRQ 9. I have Roadrunner as my Internet Provider and since the Code Red virus they have been pinging everyone's modem, here in Cincy, continuously. I was getting pops in my transferred stuff and guessed it everything from the card to my DA-P1 to the Sony DG's I switched to. I contacted MAudio and they suggested I switch from "ACPI Mode" to "Standard PC Mode." This was kinda scary to me 'cause he said it could make the OS go south, it didn't. I had to reinstall a few drivers, make sure if you're gonna attempt this you have all your drivers present. This solved the problem of the pops, apparently the constant pinging was accompanied by regular port scans and all that activity on the same IRQ was creating the pops. If you are having this issue with the Audiophile and Win2k, contact MAudio's tech support, and plan on holding forever, and they will give you instructions on how to resolve it. I spoke with David Muniz there, he seemed pretty knowledgeable, and he said he's had to walk people through this tons of times. The Delta Audiophile for Windows2k is a great choice, IMHO, if you have the time and patience to work out the bugs... Peace, Doug __________________________________________ My Homepage http://www.supplicationjam.8k.com/ My CDR Trading List http://www.supplicationjam.8k.com/My%20CDR%20list.htm __________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Jamie Lutch" Subject: Audiophile2496 & NI-MH batteries Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 08:33:56 -0700 > I agree with Len (mostly), but there is one thing that you should realize about this card that no one seems to be very willing to talk about. M-Audio advertises the Audiophile 2496 as compatible with Windows 2000, but the drivers DO NOT SUPPORT S/PDIF OUTPUT from wav files on Windows 2000 machines. It's a really sweet solution for Windows 98 machines, but not yet a good choice for a unidecker who wishes to clone DATs on a Windows 2000 machine. I bought mine over 4 months ago and M-Audio promised updated drivers to address this issue "within a couple of weeks". There is still no solution and I see no evidence that they are pursuing a solution to this issue. > > Again, great card, but poor Windows 2000 support. Well, actually, it does work with win2k if you go to their drivers page (http://www.midiman.net/drivers.htm) and download the 'DELTA BETA WDM Multiclient Driver-For 2000 only' under windows 2000. But again, its only 16bit for most apps. In any case, keep in mind that this card uses the same chipset as the $10-20 nightingale card, but has some more I/O options. I'd try that card first personally.... Jayson asked: > Is there a good place to get replacement Sony DAT Rechargeable Ni-MH AA > batteries on the web? www.thomasdistributing.com -Jamie ------------------------------ From: Seth Breidbart Subject: Re: 96K Hoopla Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:46:56 -0400 (EDT) One advantage of more bits is that you don't have to set levels. Given that the final result will be, say, a CD at 16 bits, 44.1 kHz, I'd rather record 24 bits at -20 dB and normalize later. That way, I don't have to worry about the levels I record at, and I'll still have a full 16 bits of accuracy on playback (plus a fraction more if I do noise-shaping when rounding to 16 bits). When I don't know the levels to expect, that's a big win; even when I do know them, I'm a few dB better off. Seth ------------------------------ From: "Trey Woodruff" Subject: Extra DATS Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:27:21 -0500 I have many extra dats of Widespread Panic from 98-01, email me privately for list, looking to sell these, I have fallen upon rough financial times Thanks Trey ------------------------------ From: "Michael Ryan" Subject: Todd Snyder/ John Prine.... Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 13:48:31 -0700 Hey Now All , Saw these performers last week and found out after the show that Todd is all for taping his show. The Guy is very good and quite funny, So ask for him before the show and he should be able to help you get your gear in. Wish I could have gotten this guy on tape. John is playing very well and has a couple of XLNT guys playing with him.... Peace, Michael ------------------------------ From: "liverich@sunlink.net" Subject: FT: Billy Joel 6/10/76 Bottom Line, NYC Reply-To: liverich@sunlink.net Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:06:26 -0400 Just burned discs of this DAT from an excellent FM. Given the recent events in the city and references during the show, I thought it would be a good time to burn and offer it. I'm NOT interested in more Billy Joel. If interested in this and a DSBD of his Syracuse 11/13/93 show on another DAT, send a list. Rich ------------------------------ From: "Mark E." Subject: ISO: Frank Marino 9-9-01, montreal Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:20:41 -0400 hello, was wonderin if anyone had taped frank marino and mahogony rush in montreal on sept. 9? please let me know, i have some frank and other stuff to trade.. mark e ------------------------------ From: Matthew Blum Subject: FS: Schoeps CCM4 Microphones and extras Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Hey there, I am going to be upgrading to some B&K's here real soon, so I need to sell this gear. I am selling a matched pair of Schoeps CCM4 Cardiod mics. These have the attached 5 meter xlr cables and are bodyless. These are perfect for stealthing as they are the exact size and look of the MK4 everyone has become accustmed to and you dont need the active cable or a vms, these can be used with any preamp that accepts XLR inputs. The mics have been used 11 times total and are in pristine condition. They are in their original boxes as well. I also have the schoeps a20 elastic suspension mounts and windtech pro mic screens built for the schoeps ccm4. So you are completely ready to go for taping allowed acts as long as you have a stand and T-Bar. The mics sell for 3100 new and the windscreens and mounts ran a little over 200. Im am looking at all serious offers. Thanks for listening. peace yall. matthew miblum@yahoo.com P.S. have sample tapes if you would like to hear, just let me know. __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Taper needed: KCRW, Santa Monica, CA, Sunday, 16 Sept 2001 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:08:27 -0700 I'm in need of someone to tape something from KCRW in Santa Monica on Sunday, 16 Sept 2001. I'm a unidecker, so I can't trade DATs, but I have an extensive collection of CD-Rs to trade (mostly Tori Amos, some Cowboy Junkies and others). Here's the long description from The Dent (the best source for Tori news): Erin Dolll informs me that Tori is scheduled to appear on Ground Zero with Chris Douridas on September 15, 2001. Ground Zero is a weekly radio program that appears on radio station KCRW in Santa Monica, CA every Saturday. You can listen to that radio station online with live net feeds available at kcrw.org. The show is broadcast on Saturdays from noon until 2:00PM PT and repeated again on Sundays 10:00AM until Noon PT. Here is a description of the show from a KCRW newsletter: This week on Ground Zero, a very special visit with TORI AMOS. Recorded in England, this encounter with one of pop's true originals, features exclusive live performances of songs from Tori's new album, "Strange Little Girls," as well as an illuminating conversation with host Chris Douridas. This show is also available online at Spinner.com. -*- Did anyone tape this on Saturday, or can tape it on Sunday? TIA. :) /nm ------------------------------ From: "john e. bogus" Subject: Black Sabbath 8/12/01, and picking up where I left off... Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:10:18 -0400 My latest offering for the list is Black Sabbath 8/12/01, PNC Bank Arts Center, Homdel, NJ. This was stealthed from the very front, very center of the lawn and is the best sounding of the 3 shows I taped on this tour. 70 minutes, A- quality. The other two shows I taped were posted earlier....anyone else who taped on this tour who I haven't heard from yet? To anyone else interested in this run of shows or future postings for my masters through the present time, here's my current trade status: Behind since the spring due to equipment failure, I am now caught up with all trades for all masters posted here as available. Now to get current on posting and quickly sending out the rest of this summer's masters....this round will be limited to 4 tapes per person for those interested....anyone else for Black Sabbath/Ozzfest 7/20/01, 7/28/01, and 8/12/01 before I move on? I am now making tapes for all those who have confirmed this trade with me so far. I have 2 or 3 people waiting for longer trades once masters up to the current date are sent. Thanks to all those who have waited patiently for me to catch up, and thanks to those of you who are waiting for the longer trades....I'll be with you as soon as I can. Who said that us rock tapers never offer BWT? I'll be glad to take my turn as soon as I get current with my postings.....more to come soon....thanks for the posting.... john e. bogus mallness@surfbest.net ------------------------------ From: "DRider" Subject: Vinyl Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:41:22 -0400 Hey Now! I have always wanted to see these guys. Does anyone know their current taping policy? Thanx! BWT: Derek Trucks 12/28/00 Jacksonville, FL Schoeps cmc 64>Sonosax>HHB 90m DAT ~ONLY~ D-R ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. Problems or questions about a subscription should be addressed via these avenues and then if needed to dat-heads-owner@datheads.phish.net or postmaster@datheads.phish.net never the list itself You can submit a message for inclusion in the next digest via this address: Internet: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net Archives of DAT-Heads digests and related files are available on the DAT-Heads home page: http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/ End of DAT-Heads Digest ******************************