DAT-heads Digest #77
Contents:
FS: 2 Lawn Tickets, BSB, 2nd Night, Face Vaule ("Bendes, Richard")
Unidecker ISO D7/8, 7-pin cable question ("Brian C. Kelly")
Bruce & Bela Extras (Dave Cohen)
gear found at PROJECT Z state theatre falls church VA 9/29/01 (Boxcephus@aol.com)
Jonas Hellborg Trio (Meurglys3@att.net)
Re: Roland UA-30: Warning: ** not bit-for-bit accurate ** (Tom McGee)
Jesse's comments on USB, re: UA-30 ("Dan Updike")
Rig for sale ("cory")
FW: RE: Digi Tapers' registry? ("Holcombe Jr, Joe D {Pilo~Florence}")
Tony Markellis News! (ZepMan@aol.com)
ISO: Sony D3 Manual ("David Maley")
ISO : TOOL - Columbus, OH 9/14/01 ("Ryan :-" )
FT: Cowboy Junkies (janque@webtv.net)
bjork on tour (E)
GRISMAN QUINTET (CCFLAMEWORKS@webtv.net)
roger waters "tour forest" #10+11..last call for signups ("George S.")
re: Roland UA-30: Warning: ** not bit-for-bit... (Keith Bode)
anyone taping fantomas (JBurneyko@aol.com)
free motherboards ("John")
FS: SCI Chapel Hill ("DRider")
U2 South Bend Oct 10, 2001 ("Sascha Kremer @ U2 News")
From: "Bendes, Richard" <BendesR@aetna.com>
Subject: FS: 2 Lawn Tickets, BSB, 2nd Night, Face Vaule
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:06:40 -0400
I have 2 Lawn Tickets for Bridge School Benefit on Sunday night.....$96. I
live in the East Bay, So if you live in the Bay Area too we can met
somewhere. If not I'll overnight the tickets to you so you get the them in
plenty of time.
Contact Info
M-F 8:00am pst - 4:00pm pst
e-mail: BendesR@aetna.com
Ph: 925-543-8707
All Other times
email: rarepj@hotmail.com
Ph: 925-479-9299
Thanks,
Rick
Rick Bendes, Billing Premium Consultant
Phone: 925-543-8707
Fax: 925-543-8773
Email: BendesR@Aetna.com
From: "Brian C. Kelly" <bckelly@vt.edu>
Subject: Unidecker ISO D7/8, 7-pin cable question
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:26:24 -0400
Hey all,
Well that first month with my first deck went by fast and I'm hungry for
more. Found a good deal on a DA-20 mkII and got several B&Ps rolling so I
could get a taste. Now I'm ready to start patching and duping! I'm looking
for anyone who wants to unload a used D7/8. If you have a 7-pin digi i/o
cable as well that'd be excellent. BTW, question about those 7-pin cables- I
have seen several variations out there, what does everyone recommend? These
are the three I'm looking at:
Oade Bros Passive (DIGI I/O-P, $110) and Active (DIGI I/O-A, $150)
http://www.oade.com/dat/audiocenter/oadecable.html
Core Sounds' 7-Pin-Coax-I/O Cable ($50)
http://www.core-sound.com/7-pin-coax-blurb.html
What are the pro's and con's of each? Core Sounds' price seems much more
reasonable, but how does it perform? Would like to hear anyone's field
experience with these.
Thanks a bunch!
Brian
** Anyone here taping the cheese show in Blacksburg, VA on 11/5?
Thanks for the bandwidth, here's my tax- I'll take 2 CDR B&Ps of anything on
this slightly outdated list of mine:
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/brkelly3/cdr_list.html
(Sorry for the crosspost on digi-phish)
From: Dave Cohen <zeau@nc.rr.com>
Subject: Bruce & Bela Extras
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:40:47 -0400
Thanks to some CDR trades and transfers, I've got a handful of extra
Bruce Hornsby and Bela Fleck DAT's. As always, I prefer to trade for
them, but I'll also take B&P. Here's what I've got:
Bela Fleck & the Flecktones 2/18/93, S:D, all 60m x 1
Bela Fleck & the Flecktones 5/22/97, S:D, set 2 60m x 1
Bela Fleck & Bruce Hornsby 3/23/97, A:D, all 90m x 1
Bruce Hornsby 8/22/95, S:D, all 90m x 1
Bruce Hornsby 5/12/96, S:D, all 60m x 2
Drop me a line if you're interested (preference goes to anyone who wants
to trade for them all).
WOB tax: One B&P for Wilco 1/31/97 S:D, all
Take it easy.
DC
--
Ah, Mr. Zeau, I presume?
Dastardly Dave Cohen
zeau@nc.rr.com
"Pass here and go on, you're on the road to heaven." -Kerouac
From: Boxcephus@aol.com
Subject: gear found at PROJECT Z state theatre falls church VA 9/29/01
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:32:34 EDT
Hi all,
At the PROJECT Z show at the state theatre in falls church VA on 9/29/01,
someone who was running a Mac-based computer rig left a piece of their gear
behind... which I ended up finding, and would love to get back to it's owner.
So if this is your Mac thingiedingie, lemme know. Thanks. Lance
From: Meurglys3@att.net
Subject: Jonas Hellborg Trio
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:43:07 +0000
Hail Heads:
Looking for mass quantities of live material on cd-r by
the Jonas Hellborg Trio featuring the incomparable Shawn
Lane on guitar. I heard somewhere that he reads 10 books
a day! Is that possible?
http://home.att.net/~meurglys3/
Tom
From: Tom McGee <tfm@110.net>
Subject: Re: Roland UA-30: Warning: ** not bit-for-bit accurate **
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:10:29 -0400
--
>> Jesse Lackey said:
>> Anybody know of a Win2K-compatible USB digital i/o soundcard that's
>> been properly and provably engineered correctly?
Yup.
Sound Devices USB PRE. It's bus-powered, works with Macs and PC's,
notebooks and desktops, has plenty of I/O, a headphone amp with
plenty of drive signal, and beats the digipants off anything else
I've bought and used.
If anyone is looking for a Delta 1010 or MOTU 828, email me. I have
one of each that just didn't do the trick for my purposes -- never
been driven faster than 16 bit/s. Brand new condition. $400 for
either one.
From: "Dan Updike" <thedanman@adelphia.net>
Subject: Jesse's comments on USB, re: UA-30
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:47:26 -0400
I'm not an expert on USB-audio, or audio in general, but I will tell you
this......USB is an in-expensive way to move audio to where you want it to
go.
Having said that, is it the best way? Nope! Not by a long shot. If you are
having problems with occaisional latency, dropouts, and glitches use a SCSI
or Firewire interface. Firewire alone has more than 30 times the bandwith
than USB.
USB is just the ticket for some people. I suspect that you will find similar
problems with all USB Audio products if you look (or listen closely enough).
If perfection is what you need, use something else.
--Dan
From: "cory" <seapods@twcny.rr.com>
Subject: Rig for sale
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:51:04 -0400
Earthworks SR-71 $475
DMIC-20 $450
Sony M1 $475
Audio Magic X-Stream Cables $75
All items in great shape and probably used about 20 shows. Will take $1250
for everything.
thanks
cory
From: "Holcombe Jr, Joe D {Pilo~Florence}" <JOE_D.HOLCOMBE_JR@ROCHE.COM>
Subject: FW: RE: Digi Tapers' registry?
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:08:27 -0400
> I dont know if this is a good idea, i believe the RIAA would like it too
> much...
>
> joe
>
> Does there exist an online registry for tapers? If so where can I find it?
>
> It seems useful to be able to contact someone in an area where I'd like to
> get a show taped... This seems too obvious, it must be available
> somewhere!
> Any info would be appreciated and welcomed
>
From: ZepMan@aol.com
Subject: Tony Markellis News!
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:53:48 EDT
Sorry for the crossposting but I was so excited to hear this and couldn't
contain myself. Just letting everyone know I've heard tell that one of our
favorite bass players Tony Markellis is playing a few gigs with a terrific
new singer songwriter from the Dylan/Dead school by the name of Phil Cody.
Check out Philcody.com to hear some audio samples. Tapers please record these
shows, and please let me know when you do.
dates as followed:
10/14/01 The Larkin Albany NY
10/17/01 Club Tinks Scranton, PA
10/18/01 The Acoustic Cafe Bridgeport, CT
10/19/01 Club Helsinki Great Barrington, MA
??? I may be missing a few dates this is what I was told.
Marc
From: "David Maley" <dmaley@nc.rr.com>
Subject: ISO: Sony D3 Manual
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:57:30 -0400
Hey y'all. Wanted to see if anybody knows if the D3 users manual is
available online anywhere? Or if somebody out there has one they could copy
for me??? I picked up a D3 recently off Ebay, but no manual was included
:(
I'll be very grateful for any and all help in locating a copy ..... Thanks!
Peace,
Dave :)-~
From: "Ryan : <>
Subject: ISO : TOOL - Columbus, OH 9/14/01
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:14:21 -0400
I'm looking for a copy of the 9/14/01 TOOL show in Columbus, OH. I'd like
to get it on CD if I can, but a regular ol' cassette tape will do, too. My
collection will be linked at the end of this message for your perusal if you
wanna trade. If yer a TOOL fan, I MD recorded the 9/28/01 Pittsburgh show.
E-mail me for details.
Ryan
http://www.geocities.com/ghettorichboy
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From: janque@webtv.net
Subject: FT: Cowboy Junkies
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:04:08 -0400 (EDT)
Hi, well I am finally a proud parent of two decks (at last) and offer up
two nice recent Cowboy Junkies shows (masters) on CDR and DAT, these are
the last two US shows for this tour, info as follows:
Cowboy Junkies
September 28, 2001
Colonial Theater
Keene, NH
Core Sound Cardioids (w/bass roll-off on)>M1
7th row, one seat right of center, mics on stand about 2 ft above crowd
(one yeller on occasion between some songs, but music is unaffected,
show was great)
Cowboy Junkies
September 29, 2001
Hunter Center
MASS MoCA
North Adams, MA
Core Sound Cardioids (w/bass roll-off on)>M1
6th row, in front of right stack, mics on stand 5ft above crowd
(some creaking from chairs, these are not fixed in the auditorium, show
was great)
I can offer on DAT or CDR (this is a direct transfer from master DAT
Fostex D5>digital optical cable>Philips CDR 765>EAC>HD)
If interested send a list or URL, looking for a variety of shows,
especially 2001's, thanks for the space, JC
From: E <reedvalve@yahoo.com>
Subject: bjork on tour
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:09:57 -0700 (PDT)
Bjork is performing a few shows in the US...Boston,
Chicago, Oakland, LA..
tour info:
http://www.bjork.com/facts/gigography/
If anyone tapes these I would love to trade. I
managed to get some nice tapes at the super tight
security radio city music hall last week....
Ethan
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From: CCFLAMEWORKS@webtv.net
Subject: GRISMAN QUINTET
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:27:19 -0400 (EDT)
Has any one taped gisman in Troy N.Y sat.oct 6 . 2001 went to cambidge
on sun. night was a great show , PLEASE HELP ME I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A
COPY a trade for cambridge
thanks chris
From: "George S." <fearless-pigeon@nac.net>
Subject: roger waters "tour forest" #10+11..last call for signups
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:58:06 -0400
hi everyone,
this is the last call for signups on the jones beach and wallingford shows.
deadline for these two is saturday midnight. please remember if signing on
as a branch you must be able to burn 4 80 min cds for up to 5 leaves and it
is your responsibility to contact them and keep them updated. these are two
excellent shows with the nakamichi recording ranking as one of the best. so
if you want in please put "tour forest #10+#11" branch or leaf in the
subject and your email addy in the body of the mail.if you live outside the
u.s. then also state which country your from. and thanks again for all the
many kind words on the project and the praise on shows #8 and #9. although
we coordinated this enourmous undertaking it would have not been possible
without the generous contributions of the real fans to share the music with
others. we can't thank the people who made this possible enough for helping
to document this historical tour with the idea of sharing the music with
others. and that's what it is all about...sharing.hoarding just does't have
a place on this planet and thru efforts like this we hope to keep the music
available for all to enjoy. it really is nice to share.
shine on
george s.
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: re: Roland UA-30: Warning: ** not bit-for-bit...
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:44:36 -0700
>>to see if my transfer was pure digital with no signal
>>loss after I have recorded it???? Any other
>>sugestions???
>
>
> This sounds very similar to the problem I am having,
though
> I am using the Roland UA-30 USB device and Cool Edit
Pro.
> I don't recall any mention about offsets, but I do
remember
My insignificant 2 cents on the issue, here. I am using
an Ego Sys U2A, with Cool Edit Pro.
and have done some limited transfers, all D/D, and have
not had any
audible dropouts that weren't on the source. I will say
I have
transferred via optical cable from the DAT or the DVD
player the Audio
track, and have heard no diginoise or dropouts on the
transferred
recordings. I am planning to run an analog cassette in
tonight, and see
what happens to the sound when I try to use the A/D
capability of the
U2A. I don't think there is a hell of a lot of difference
between the
Roland U30 and the Ego Sys U2A, but I was directed by
telephone sales
people to get the U2A, over the Roland, and took the
advice. Is there provable data on anything? I think a statistician can
prove anything they want correct, so if engineering gives a statistician
numbers the engineer is not satisfied with the statictician can twist
them to be whatever. I'm sure that happens in the audio world, after
it's designed, it's gotta be sold.
Keith
>
I bought a UA-30 2 months ago, and did testing to compare
two
wav files recorded from the same tape. After trying
different tapes,
different decks, and different recording programs (and
even 2 different
USB cables, in case one was marginal) I found that there
is NO WAY to
get bit-for-bit accurate transfers. I would get
continual, tho normally
inaudible, dropouts of 1920 bytes. There would be a
dropout nearly every
second. Asking Roland tech support about this - I was
rather pissed off
and said I'd be informing anyone who listened about this
flaw if in fact
it isn't just my circumstances somehow, I got the
following answer:
> Jesse,
>
> What you are experiencing seems to be the limitations
of USB (not 2.0)
> audio. There is not enough bandwidth to support the
internal (digital) 20
> bit depth audio input and output of the UA-30/3. If
you feel you are the
> one designated to inform or warn customers of problems
with products, I'm
> sure you have extensive experience in getting to the
source. The source of
> your lesser quality recording is not Edirol or Edirol's
components. USB
> Audio was simply not designed to do bit for bit level
recording. If you do
> in fact want a bit for bit recording, you would need to
use non-USB audio
> system. Edirol's non-USB products do not have any of
the issues you have
> described. If we were to release a USB 2.0 (capable of
higher bandwidth)
> compatable product, Edirol's quality internals would
prove themselves as not
> simply professional-capable, but top of the line.
> Check for our new products in November. Until then,
good luck with your
> research.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Isaac Balloun
> Technical Support Representative
> Edirol Corporation North America
>
Now his answer (USB can't cut it) is simply bullshit; the
bandwidth of USB
is nearly 1Mbyte/sec, which far exceeds the 150Kbytes/sec
needed for stereo
16bit/44.1Khz. Even if (due to poor engineering on their
behalf) all audio
transfers had to be 48Khz, 24-bit, full-duplex, stereo,
it would be 188*4=
750Kbytes/sec.
Basically, it comes down to this: Roland engineered
something with
significant flaws, that reviewers didn't pick up on b/c
most reviewers are
more the musician type than engineer types, and lazy
besides (IMHO). Roland
chose to market this as a professional-grade, $200
sound-"card" with digial
i/o that IS NOT LOSSLESS, and they don't state this
anywhere. I have to
admit it sounds fine - much better than my laptop's
built-in audio (which
is terrible). But professional it ain't. And now I'm
out the money.
Anybody know of a Win2K-compatible USB digital i/o
soundcard that's been
properly and provably engineered correctly?
Jesse
From: JBurneyko@aol.com
Subject: anyone taping fantomas
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:45:12 EDT
is anyone planning on taping Fantomas at the knitting factory in nyc on
october 30th? They are playing 2 sets, one at 8pm and a late show at 11 i
believe.
Please get in touch if you plan on taping.
I'm also looking for any fantomas recordings from their current tour opening
for tool. Lots of Fantomas/Patton stuff to trade!
Jay
From: "John" <john@safesets.com>
Subject: free motherboards
Reply-To: <john@safesets.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:00:37 -0500
Well... not completely free-- gotta pay for the shipping.
Anyway... I have 2 motherboards, if you are interested in upgrading (ha-ha).
#1 is a Pentium 200, with 128 MB of RAM. Fits any ATX case, and has plenty
of ISA and PCI slots. Could be used to run a linux box for something, or
something else that doesnt require a lot of power. #2 is an Asus VA6 board,
with a single DIMM of unknown size-- but RAM is dirt cheap right now-- $39
for 256 MB. This board will handle any Pentium II slot-style processor, and
I also have a "slocket" adapter, to use a 370 style processor-- PIII,
Celeron.... fits any ATX case.
Thought someone on the list might be interested in slapping together
something, and the price is right.
more freebies-- Lowen & Navarro, 06-29-2001, SHN'd-- first 3 to ask for it!
From: "DRider" <Hawkwind@mediaone.net>
Subject: FS: SCI Chapel Hill
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:33:45 -0400
Hey Now!
One of my buddies who does not have a computer has ONE extra SCI ticket for
11/7/01 Chapel Hill, NC
>>>>>>>This is NOT a taper ticket<<<<<<<
But it is right next to the taper section: Floor Left Center, Row Y; Seat 11
It would be easy to clamp on to a stand in the section and run your cables
to your seat...............
He wants face value or will trade for ONE Athens, GA ~ SCI ticket.
Please contact me offlist and I will put you in contact w/ him.
SCI YA!
D-Rider
From: "Sascha Kremer @ U2 News" <sascha@u2news.de>
Subject: U2 South Bend Oct 10, 2001
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 05:58:11 +0200
Hi there,
tonight was the webcast from U2's performance at South Bend, Indiana. I was
able to get a clean (without any dropouts) audio-only stream directly to DAT
(don't trust those stream-saving progs), but only with 32kbit/s (ATRAC3
compressed Real stream). If there was anybody able to get a better (and
clean) stream please get in touch with me, I'd love to trade for a better
stream (although I did not found anybody so far being lucky to indeed get a
better audio-only (!) stream, the audio-only was much better in sound
quality then the video streams). I'm also looking for recordings from U2's
Elevation 3rd leg tour, have lots of US/Canada 1st leg and Euro 2nd leg
shows on DAT and/or SHN.
Take Care,
Sascha
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