DAT-heads Digest #102
re: preamp comparisons ("Marc Nutter")
comma-cazzi anyone? (JH)
Re: which is it? ("John Kupchik")
ISO: Stereophonics opener sets from current U2 tour ("jeffc")
Extra SCI TAPER ("DRider")
Cass>DAT...need reccomendations (ZAndersson@aol.com)
iso: phish gamehendge ("astro zombie")
Joe Strummer ("Hisashi Sugiyama")
using record player instead of mics? ("Winnie Olmer")
For Sale: Sound Professionals Bat. Box & Mics (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Grateful Dead Dats Offer - Round 4 ("Paul Gibian")
Re: Linux (Michael Miller)
ISO: Stone Temple Pilots 10/26/01 & MMW ("Matthew Peters")
Extra SCI 11-1-01 for trade (Thomas A Small)
EMAGIC AUDIOWERK2 DIGITAL I/O SOUND CARD (Tom Cavanaugh)
From: "Marc Nutter" <email@example.com>
Subject: re: preamp comparisons
Reply-To: "Marc Nutter" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:59:36 -0700
HI Randy and All,
>Subject: preamp comparisons
>Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:55:40 -0800 (PST)
>anyone have comments pro/con regarding the AETA PSP2 (or 3) as
>compared to the Sound Devices MP2?
We have comparison tapes that I made last year.
Yonder Mountain String Band
Fox Theater--Boulder, CO
Two pair MBHO 603a
One pair to AETA PSP-3 for the entire show
Other pair to MP-2 for first set and V2 for second set.
Both to an M-1 without an external AD.
Let me know if you are interested in copies.
Sonic Sense, Inc.
2755 S. Gilpin St.
Denver, CO 80210
Toll Free Phone (877) 324-4463
From: JH <email@example.com>
Subject: comma-cazzi anyone?
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 18:01:22 -0600
>Hirose is "heh-row-see".
>and that's that.
>Klay Anderson, D.A.,Q.B.E., G.R.E., Y.M.C.A., A.A., E.T.C.
>Klay Anderson Audio, Inc.
Clay, your pronunciation of Hirose is heresy!
Lemme hear you say kamikaze or sayonara--or even onara, for that matter!
Jonathan, who bought his Sankens from Klay and still loves them!
From: "John Kupchik" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: which is it?
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:43:47 -1000
> From: Klay Anderson <email@example.com>
> Subject: re: Which Is It?
> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 17:25:19 -0700
> Hirose is "heh-row-see".
A more accurate way of writing it would be "hero-say". All the vowels are short and unstressed.
That's really how it is pronounced (using English words as sound-referents), though there is no
stress in the word; just roll it off your tongue quickly without stressing anything and it should
sound close to the way it should be said.
From: "jeffc" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: ISO: Stereophonics opener sets from current U2 tour
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:51:08 -0500
Trying to hunt down any of these Stereophonics gigs... any help would be
great! In fact if you have any Stereo gigs from the last year on DAT, let me
And please email me privately....
last thing: friend asked me to hunt down some old Dylan set called "genuine
basement tapes." now I am not one for bootlegs that have been sold but if
you happen to have any variations of the source of these tapes, a helping
hand would be great!
Best regards to all and thanks !
bwt: 2 B&Ps of BEN HARPER 1997-10-01 Horus Club, Rome FM on CDR
From: "DRider" <Hawkwind@mediaone.net>
Subject: Extra SCI TAPER
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:55:06 -0500
I have an extra SCI Taper ticket for Gainesville
who needs it?
Subject: Cass>DAT...need reccomendations
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 20:01:39 EST
I've come across a good # of cassettes that need to be duped to DAT. I need to pick up a cassette deck for this purpose. I've hit the used eqipment departments at the local hi-fi shops and came across these Nak decks for these prices. The machines seemed to be in good shape with no grooves on the heads and all functions worked properly.... are these reasonable prices, and which is reccomended? FWIW I doubt these were used by tape-traders.
Nak BX1- $139
Nak 480- $149
Would it be of any benefit to run the tapes through my SBM-1?
Thanks for the help.
From: "astro zombie" <email@example.com>
Subject: iso: phish gamehendge
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 19:28:06 -0600
hi! i'm seeking phish/gamehendge recordings... i have the demos
and charleston 6-26-94 akg460... i don't have much phish to offer
in trade, but i do have lots of other jam, rock, punk, metal, etc
masters/clones to offer in trade... cdr preferred, dat ok too...
bwt: dismemberment plan @ green room: iowa city, ia 4-13-00
csb > d8 dat-m > cdr (mics 7' high on pole 8' from center stage)
* taping is a-ok per the band, go check 'em out - great indie rock!
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From: "Hisashi Sugiyama" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Joe Strummer
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 21:18:28 +0900
I recorded his small club gig in Tokyo on Nov.1st.
If anyone has tapes of his recent US tour,
please contact me. I have lots to trade.
Hisashi Sugiyama / email@example.com
From: "Winnie Olmer" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: using record player instead of mics?
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 09:50:27 -0500
I want to get my vinyl onto CD. The best A/D equipment I own is my Zefiro
InBox. I have no idea if the mic inputs on my zefiro will accept the signal
from my turntable. I have a very cheap Radio Shack "black box" that boosted
the turntable signal enough to feed directly into my analog in on a
SoundBlaster card. So I know that the turntable signal was so low that I had
to use this 9volt powered "in line" amp. But as I've said... I know shit
about electronics and I have no idea how the "raw" turntable signal compares
to a mic output. Now that I have a digital card in my computer, and the
Zefiro preamp/A-D, I'm wondering if it can be used to get my vinyl onto CD.
"Imagine there's no countries,
It isn't hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace..."-John Lennon
Subject: For Sale: Sound Professionals Bat. Box & Mics
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:59:02 US/Eastern
Have to get rid of part of my rig to pay some bills...I cry, you buy and get a
Anyhow, I thought I'd throw these out to DAT Heads (to whom I hold
ultimate allegiance) before I threw them to the sharks on eBay.
I'm selling the following:
1. Sound Professionals "SP-BMC-1 STANDARD BINAURAL
MICROPHONES," with Croakie Mount (for stealth operations) "SP-EMC-1
CROAKIE MOUNT OPTION FOR STANDARD OR MICRO BINAURALS"
For the price, these mics are amazing and it is perfectly reasonable to
think that a person would just stick with these for good. They are
incredibly dynamic, impactful and all-around beautiful, especially
considering their super-stealthy size. Compared to the Sound
Professionals cardiods, I found these much better for what I record (rock/
pop/metal). The sound was more present and smoother, more alive with
more realistically reproduced harmonics.
I cannot speak enough about how much of a time and energy saver the
Croakie mount is. You can actually enjoy your show while taping, rather
than having to "watch out" the whole time.
Croakie mount link:
2. Sound Professionals "SP-SPSB-2 PREMIUM SLIMLINE BATTERY
MODULE WITH BASS ROLL OFF"
The bass roll-off on this thing is crucial if you're recording anything other
than classical music. I've recorded many a loud rock show with absolutely
no clipping and a rich, dynamic sound that is nothing short of wonderful.
Very high quality box that will last you years on end.
Battery box link: http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/
These have only been used twice and are in great condition.
The retail price for these alone is $69, the Croakie mount option is $30
(total $99)and the battery box with bass roll-off is $79, for a grand total of
$178.00. I am willing to part with the set for $125, representing a 30%
discount off of retail. ***Also, if you respond from DAT Heads, I will give
you free shipping!***
E-mail me at email@example.com now to get them.
From: "Paul Gibian" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Grateful Dead Dats Offer - Round 4
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 08:22:58 -0800
This is Round 4 of my Dats for CD blanks offer.
Since 1997 I have traded dats, primarily Grateful Dead. I am converting my
dat collection to cd. This is the 4th batch. I will not break it up into
smaller batches so please don't ask. Round 4 goes to one person. If
someone wants to get a quick start in the GD dat world this is a great way
to do it.
I'll accept three (3) Taiyo Yuden blanks for each dat. This exchange is
well below current market prices for new dat blanks (as published at various
sites, including TTapes.) I will pay postage to ship the dats to you for
continental US only.
Dats are Maxell labeled, unlabeled, or Sony DDS. Some are 60m, some are
90m. All have printed j-cards with song lists, lineage, etc.. Lineage is
as it was provided to me at the time of trade. Caveat emptor, these are
great tapes, however, some may have an occasional anomaly. I acquired them
primarily through trades on BUDD and other credible sources.
The following 43 shows reside on 50 dats. Several shows are filler on
tapes. Several of the dats have filler not listed in this posting. This in
exchange for 150 cdr blanks.
If interested, please use the following in the subject field: Grateful Dead
Dats Offer - Round 4
Date Location Sets Source
08/24/68 Shrine Auditorium - Los Angeles, CA All S:Rm:D
05/23/69 Seminole Indian Village - Hollywood, FL Partial Fp:D
07/05/69 Electric Theater - Chicago, IL 1,2 S:Cm:?:D
09/06/69 Family Dog at the Great Highway - San Partial S:Rm:C2:D
Missing Dancin-> Jam, Casey Jones
11/08/69 Fillmore Auditorium - San Francisco, CA 1P,2 S:Rm:D
BUDD Primal Dead Tree
12/12/69 Thelma Theater - Los Angeles, CA Partial Fp:D
02/02/70 Fox Theatre - St. Louis, MO 1P S:Rm:D
Missing Cumberland, Lovelight
09/20/70 Fillmore East - NYC, NY 1,2 S:Rm:R:R:D
11/20/70 The Palestra, U. of Rochester - Rochester 1P,2 A:Rm:R:D
12/12/70 Santa Rosa Fairgrounds - Santa Rosa, CA 1,2 S:Rm:C:D:CD
02/18/71 Capitol Theater - Port Chester, NY 1,2 S:bR:P:P:D
07/02/71 Fillmore West - San Francisco, CA 1,2 Fp:?:D
11/07/71 Harding Theater - San Francisco, CA 1P,2 Fp:Rm:D
Missing Uncle John's Band
12/01/71 Boston Music Hall - Boston, MA 2P Fp:D
04/14/72 Tivoli Theater - Copenhagen, DE 1,2P S:Rm:C:D
Missing Brown Eyed Women
05/25/72 The Strand Lyceum - London, EN 2P S:Rm:C2:D
07/26/72 Paramount Theater - Portland, OR 1,2P S:Rm:D
Missing Promised Land, He's Gone, Me And My Uncle
09/17/72 Baltimore Civic Center - Baltimore, MD 1,2 S:R:C:D
Missing encore: OMSN
09/21/72 The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 1,2 Fp:Rm:D
GDH PreFM (MReel) >DAT>Sonic Solutions per David Gans
09/24/72 The Palace Theater - Waterbury, CT 1P,2P S:?:D
10/19/72 Fox Theatre - St. Louis, MO 1,2P S:R:C:D:CD
Missing Big River
03/19/73 Nassau Coliseum - Uniondale, NY 2 S:Rm:C:D
03/24/73 The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 1P,2 S:bR:P:D
09/11/73 William and Mary College Hall - 1,2 A:Rm:D
09/15/73 Providence Civic Center - Providence, RI 2P S:Rm:CD:D
Missing Missippi Half-Step
12/02/73 Boston Music Hall - Boston, MA 2 S:Rm:D
07/31/74 Dillon Stadium - Hartford, CT 1,2P,3P S:Rm:?:D
Missing El Paso>To Lay Me Down, OMSN, encore
10/18/74 Winterland Arena - San Francisco, CA 1,2,3 S:Rm:?:D
06/15/76 Beacon Theatre - NYC, NY 1,2 S:bR:P:D
09/28/76 Onongada County War Memorial - Syracuse, NY 1,2 S:Rm:C:D
11/25/79 Pauley Pavilion, UCLA - Los Angeles, CA 1,2 S:Cm:D
07/01/80 San Diego Sports Arena - San Diego, CA 1,2 S:Rm:R:D
10/10/80 Warfield Theater - San Francisco, CA 1 S:bR:P:D
02/17/82 Warfield Theater - San Francisco, CA 1P,2 S:?:D
04/18/82 Hartford Civic Center - Hartford, CT 1,2 S:Cm:R:D
08/06/82 St. Paul Civic Center - St. Paul, MN 1,2 S:Cm:C:D
10/17/82 Santa Fe Downs - Santa Fe, NM 1P,2P Af:Cm:C:D
04/27/85 Frost Amphitheatre - Palo Alto, CA 1,2 S:P:D
11/05/85 The Centrum - Worcester, MA 1,2 S:Cm:P:D
08/16/91 Shoreline Amphitheatre - Mountain View, CA 1,2 S:D
09/26/91 Boston Garden - Boston, MA 1,2 S:D
05/26/95 Memorial Stadium - Seattle, WA 1,2 S:D:C:D
My last show :-(
JERRY GARCIA BAND
11/25/83 Cleveland Music Hall - Cleveland, OH All S:Cm:D
* Generated by TapeTracker for Windows (http://tapetracker.com/) *
From: Michael Miller <mcmiller@Radix.Net>
Subject: Re: Linux
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:30:24 -0500 (EST)
I use Linux almost exclusively. I would completely rid myself of windows
except that TapeTracker won't run under Linux and I haven't had the time
to get wine configured properly. I have run EAC under wine, but there is
a problem with the display of fonts. I've heard that wine will use
windows DLLs and fonts, but I haven't tried this yet. If anyone has
already figured this out, please let me know what I need to do to get EAC
running under wine.
For linux there are several CD burning/DAE tools: cdrecord, cdwrite, and
cdparanoia/cdrdao are the most commonly used. These are all command line
tools but there are GUI front ends for them, XCDRoast and gcdmaster being
the probably the best. The former works for both data and audio cds. The
latter is strictly audio but provides a waveform display and editor and
generates cue sheets. The last time I played with XCDRoast, I had some
problems with DAE in paranoia mode but there has been an update since
then. The cdparanoia libraries will do exact extraction, like EAC does
under windows. If you need to do any audio editing or manipulation beyond
cut and paste, you can use sox. It is very powerful but you need to use a
commandline interface. I haven't found a frontend for sox yet.
Now for the short comings of CD utilities under Linux. As of a few months
ago, none of the utilities provide a configuration option to compensate
for drive read and write offsets. I ran alot of tests to verify that
cdparanoia and EAC produced identical extractions and they always did,
except for the read offset. I used cdrecord (latest version supports dao
mode) and cdrdao and verified the results. In some instances I found that
the cdrdao written disks contained one or two duplicated blocks. So while
I trusted the extraction tools with what should be the difficult part of
the process, I couldn't trust the writer to lay down the audio data
correctly. I got errors about 4% of the time. Initially I blamed the IDE
burner that I use, but the same tests run using EAC proved that the drive
was working correctly. Although the errors weren't audible, in our circle
any less than a clone is considered a bad thing. But then there seem to
be alot of people who use EAC for extraction and some other tool that does
not support write offset correction to burn discs. I guess that anything
worth doing is worth doing half assed.
I never had a problem with the writers operating in data mode. So if you
trade shns, then you should be able to use xcdroast under linux with no
problem. There is a full suite of shn tools for linux but I haven't used
The good news is that all of the source code for the GUI frontends and the
base utilites is open source. If you are inclined to contribute to the
open source community, you might want to add read/write offset
compensation to the existing tools. This would bring the linux tools into
line with what EAC can do.
From: "Matthew Peters" <email@example.com>
Subject: ISO: Stone Temple Pilots 10/26/01 & MMW
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 11:37:14 -0500
Did anyone get this recent show?
I'm also looking for '95 and earlier Medeski Martin and Wood.
If anyone could hook me up with a B&P for the folling bands, that would
Belle and Sebastien
Addison Groove Project
From: Thomas A Small <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Extra SCI 11-1-01 for trade
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:36:28 -0500
Hey guys I have an extra copy of SCI 11-1-01 show from the Electric
factory in phily. THe scource is Neumann>u89i>Ad1000. I Am looking
for any SCI Fall tour, A copy of 11-2-01 from washington would be an
extra bonus but any will do. Thanks guys hope to hear from you! peace
From: Tom Cavanaugh <Meurglys3@att.net>
Subject: EMAGIC AUDIOWERK2 DIGITAL I/O SOUND CARD
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:46:40 -0500
Anyone have any experience with this sound card? It's currently
advertised in a catalog from Guitar Center for $99 (lists for $299)
I'm currently using a Midi Man dio2448 and was wondering if this
EMAGIC card has a good track record. Particularly interested in
knowing if the card resamples or not. I prefer not.
The price seems reasonable.
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