DAT-heads Digest #107
Contents:
dat> cd & kHz ("Eric Swanson")
Teac DAP 20 and Batteries, etc (Bob Siegl)
Interesting article: Today's digial recorders suck. ("Vince Horst")
powering phantom powered mikes ("Bonnie & Cleve Svetlik")
Q: Improving electret microphone performance ("Vince Horst")
ndmbtc: FS: IBM Thinkpad 310ED $300 shipped
Extra SCI 11-1-01 & 11-6-01 (Thomas A Small)
FS: HHb CDR800 ("john")
El Buho (Schwigiddy)
Re: Peak level meters on M1 (LocoBrian@aol.com)
M1 Error Rates?? ("Jeff _")
looking for info... (randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU)
RE: dpa 4060 powering options?? ("Chris And Berryman")
ISO these 1997 further fest shows ("seethreepo2")
Re: EgoSys WT2496 and XP with Audio Apps (-bob)
FS: Tascam DA20mkII ("Tim Crocker")
otr shows (sec1968@ezl.com)
FS:Matched Pair of Earthworks SR77's (CWDATHEAD@aol.com)
From: "Eric Swanson" <redclay99@hotmail.com>
Subject: dat> cd & kHz
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 18:23:57 +0000
I have borrowed a Sony TCD-D100 and am looking to make cdr copies of my
DATS. Any suggestions on what works best? Are stand alone burners the best
way to go?
Also since cdr's need a 44.1 kHz rate is getting it transfered from 48 kHz a
hard step to make? I've never even paid attention to this before, but the
dat deck has a switch to change it to 44.1 from 48. Can I switch this to
record live shows on dat tapes at 44.1 kHz. Would that cause any problems or
would it keep me from having an extra hassle when transferring to cd?
Thanks in advance for any help,
Eric
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From: Bob Siegl <bobsiegl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Teac DAP 20 and Batteries, etc
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:15:28 -0800 (PST)
I have a TEAC DAP 20, 2 internal batteries, Owner's
Manual, and Power Supply (with a custom cable that can
be used with an external battery should you want to
look into that) all in the original box. I've been
told the batteries and ps are worth $100 each since
they are so hard to find...I bought new and used for
some Grateful Dead taping, then put on the shelf. The
deck is in good condition. XLR and COAX in, RCA out. I
am looking for $450. Please email me if you are
interested.
Bob
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From: "Vince Horst" <vhorst@mn.rr.com>
Subject: Interesting article: Today's digial recorders suck.
Reply-To: vhorst@mn.rr.com
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 12:01:51 -0800
I've never heard of the guy before, but he has some=20
interesting things to say about the state of digital=20
recording as it exists today. Essentially: 44.1 & 20-20,000=20
is garbage.
Tim de Paravicini:
http://www.ear-usa.com/timdeparavicini.htm
A great (medium length) read.
--=20
Vince Horst
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From: "Bonnie & Cleve Svetlik" <Svetlik@Stratos.net>
Subject: powering phantom powered mikes
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:22:37 -0500
Powering Phantom power mikes:
The "Shure" web site (www.shure.com) has support bulletins for constructing
your own little power box to power a mike requiring phantom power, as well
as convert balanced line to an unbalanced input like on a D8. (no
amplification included) I used their circuit for my Shure SM81's, and it
works great. The circuit uses two 9 volt transistor radio batteries to
provide 18 volts for the mikes. There are a few resistors and capacitors.
The SM81's require a minimum of 12 volts. There is no reason why you can
not use the same circuit for higher voltages, like 48 volts, except remember
to increase the voltage rating of the capacitors for the higher voltage.
You may also wish scale up the value of the resistors, but it may not be
necessary. The batts last a long time and you can be assured of a quiet
power source since there is no active components to step up voltage. The
box I used is plastic and one-half the size of a -D8. (A metal box would be
better for shielding reason) If I left the XLR connectors out, it could
have been a lot smaller.
From: "Vince Horst" <vhorst@mn.rr.com>
Subject: Q: Improving electret microphone performance
Reply-To: vhorst@mn.rr.com
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 12:18:42 -0800
Out of interest's sake I've been trying to track down some=20
information on how you might approach improving the=20
performance/response of an existing electret microphone.
I've read that some manufacturers take stock, sealed=20
capsules and make modifications to them in such a way that=20
performance is increased. Given my limited knowledge of the=20
subject, I fail to see how it can be done. Especially given=20
the size of some of the caps that they claim to "fix".
I'd like to see some proof on how this can be done. At this=20
point I'm slightly skeptical.
--=20
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From: <usagi@accessus.net>
Subject: ndmbtc: FS: IBM Thinkpad 310ED $300 shipped
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:49:35 -0600
Sorry about the crosspost.
I'm trying to sell my laptop, I am the original owner. I
still have everything that came with it to include the box.
I'm trying not to put it on eBay.
Quick specs:
Pentium 166MHz MMX CPU
128MB RAM (just upgraded, that's $100 right there)
I'll throw the 32mb stick in if you want it that came in it
2.1GB hard drive
12.1" SVGA DSTN display
20x CD-ROM (internal)
Floppy (external)
NiMH battery
56K modem
Linksys 10/100 NIC (bought earlier this year though I forget
what model)
CD with all drivers for Windows 95 and 98
Windows '95 preloaded, new install
A similar laptp sold on ebay with a broken screen and 32mb
of ram for $200+30s/h
If you have any questions or offers please contact me with
the info below.
Thanks,
Bill
WOB Ozomatli .shn (2discs) 2001-09-06 The Pageant
usagi@accessus.net
http://db.etree.org/bobZemuda (.shn list)
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From: Thomas A Small <tsmall420@juno.com>
Subject: Extra SCI 11-1-01 & 11-6-01
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:56:42 -0500
Hey guys,
I have extra copies of 11-1-01 (neumann u89i>ad 1000>d8) & 11-6-01
(neumann u89i.ad1000>d8) Both are flawless and sound stellar. I am
looking for any sci summer or preferably fall '01 tour. I would love to
have 11-2-01 in DC Or 10-31-01 at MSG. Thanks guys hope to hear from
you.
peace
tom
tsmall420@juno.com
From: "john" <jlevene@idcomm.com>
Subject: FS: HHb CDR800
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:12:06 -0700
I am selling my stand alone CDR, for I can't afford to have it sit around
and not be used. Over a year ago I went to a PC based system. My machine is
in great shape and needs a new home. Full Compass has a brand new one for
$1314.00
I am asking $650.00 (or B.O.) and I will pay shipping and insurance. If your
in the Denver area, I'll deliver it to you, help you set it up with your
stereo system and show you how to use it. Included is the manual, remote &
mounting brackets.
I will deliver it in the original box with original packing supplies.
For details about the machine refer to...
http://64.213.162.194/lit/cdr800.html
CDR800 KEY FEATURES
Designed specifically for the professional user.
Exceptional sonic performance.
Straightforward user interface.
Uses widely available CD-Recordable media.
Unique Stable Platter Mechanism ensures improved bass response and higher
transparency.
Copper chassis forms the basis of a rugged construction designed for studio
use.
Comprehensive digital interfacing: AES/EBU input, SPDIF input and output
(coaxial and optical).
Sample rate converter accepts any frequency from 32kHz to 48kHz and converts
to CD standard 44.1kHz.
DAT, MD and CD IDs can be copied along with audio, enabling one-touch
cloning.
5 simple record modes to cover all requirements: 1-track Digital Synchro,
All-track Digital Synchro, Auto-ID Digital Synchro, Manual Digital, and
Manual Analogue.
Balanced analogue inputs accept two signal levels: +4dBu, and -8dBu.
Skip-ID settings can be recorded to CD.
Digital copy protection can be encoded in any of three modes: No Inhibit,
Inhibit, or Once Only.
Full infra-red remote control
19" rackmountable (kit supplied).
From: Schwigiddy <gear4sale4u@yahoo.com>
Subject: El Buho
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:41:32 -0800 (PST)
hey there Dat-Heads...i am sending a friend out to
Austin, Tx. this weekend to ElBuho.....
i needed to know what to expect in the way on taping
accomodations(SBD,AUD, etc...?)
please help, i need it bad.......
has anyone taped this line up yet, how long are the
sets, are more than 1set or is it 2....thanx for your
help in advance.....take care, laters gaters...
Rick................
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From: LocoBrian@aol.com
Subject: Re: Peak level meters on M1
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 18:19:17 EST
I recently had a similar thing happen. Just this past weekend I was taping a
gig at a local club and managed to get a board patch. Actually I set up from
the digital output of a Fostex D4 (?) rack mounted deck using the Sony 7 pin
coaxial cable into the M1 (XLR out to RCA barrel to the M1. At several points
during the show I noticed the levels "banging" and asked the sound man if he
would mind lowering them for me on the Fostex which he was kind enough to do.
When I got home and looked for the points where I knew I was overloading,
everything sounded fine. In fact had I known, I would have just left them.
Apparently the M1 has a rather high threshold for overloading. Doesn't bother
me, it's good to know. I guess I'll view it as a safety net.
Brian O'Connell
<< From: "Ragan Todd" <rhinelander2130@hotmail.com>
Subject: Peak level meters on M1
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 18:27:31
On more than one occasion, I have had my peak recording levels show
"OVER" while taping a show. When I have listened to the show later, I don't
hear the dreaded clipping everyone tries to avoid. Are the M1's meters just
extra conservative?
As an experiment, I have purposely recorded at higher levels to hear
the result. Here's the process: I connect my M1's line out to a bass
rolloff filter and then to my CD burner's analog inputs (this also reduces
the excessive bass of this recording). I play the DAT, making sure the
burner's meters never exceed 0 and burn to a CD-RW. I then reverse the
connections, playing the CD-RW through the burner's analog outputs, the
rolloff filter, and then into the line in of the M1. I intentionally set
the recording levels so that the average peak is at 0 and the highest peaks
register "OVER." I end up with a recording that has less bass, higher
volume, and no distortion that I can hear, even at high volume on my home
speakers.
Although most traders wouldn't want an analog copy, I end up with a
better sounding listening copy of that concert. To ask my question a
different way, is there a safe recording level above that which registers
"OVER" on the M1 meters? Anyone else experience the same thing with their
M1s?
Ragan >>
From: "Jeff _" <taperm1@hotmail.com>
Subject: M1 Error Rates??
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 18:26:55 -0500
I just bought a Used Tascam DA-20 and would like to test this unit for it's
condition. What sort of tests should I run? I own Samplitude Project if
this can help me in any way.
I would like to check the error rates on the heads but since the DA-20
doesn't have that feature I need to use my M1 to do it.
I know that this is not recommended but how do I enter the Test Mode on the
Sony PCM-M1. Specifically, I would like to check error rate and need the
exact procedures to do so. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks for any help,
Jeff
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From: randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU
Subject: looking for info...
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:37:26 -0800 (PST)
...About a show by John Hammond (solo) and J.J.Cale (with band, and with
Hammond during the Encore) that took place in ?1994? or ?1993?
I taped it off of NPR's Bluestage when it was broadcast (over at
least two segments in '94 or '95), and they identified the show
as coming from the Telluride Blues Festival, but the web site I found
(http://www.tellurideblues.com/) doesn't list hammond or cale as
performers for those years.
Anyone able to provide me with additional info about this show?
thanks in advance!
-rand0m
From: "Chris And Berryman" <CnMBerryman@mynra.com>
Subject: RE: dpa 4060 powering options??
Reply-To: <CnMBerryman@mynra.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:16:45 -0500
Hi there,
I bought a pair of dpa 4060 mics after much research, here's what
I found. These mics can be powered by 5v to 52v...the data sheet
on their website references this and don't let anyone tell you
otherwise. The SPL handling of these mics is not affected as long
as you meet at least 5vdc to the capsule. A sony m1 will not
produce enough voltage but thats not because it runs off 3 volts
because voltage can easily be stepped up it simply does not output
5 volts though. I am using a DPA powersupply I bought from
location sound corporation a very reputable tv/movie industry
supplier. The power supply ran me $135. I then run line in to a
d7. The previous owner of my mics used a more preferable setup
and ran the 4060's in to a Lunatec v2 and used the v2 for
powering. If you decide to go this route with either the v2 or
another pre-amp which provides phantom power I have two of the
microdot to xlr adapters (they are passive) which I could part
with. In reguards to your question about the jecklin disc if you
search through the dat-head archives I askeed the same question
about 4 months ago even was asking about 4060 mics.... I was
informed by many who had omni experience that for an on-stage
setup it's the way to go but further back i.e. taper's sections;
Dan Healy's technique for critically spaced omni's is the way to
go. The technique is similar, mics on stand, 7" apart with
capsules facing 90 degrees off source (outwards). This provides
great imaging...just make sure you don't use the acoustic
compensating windscreen it only alters the the on-axis high
frequencies (good for AB miking setups though). I hope this
helps. Chris
Original Post:
hey there, i'm looking at a pair of 4060 mini omnis and was
wondering about how to power them, right now i have a pcm-m1
that has the plug-in power on the mic input, i was wondering if
it can correctly bias a set of 4060s or if i need to either get
the DPA battery box (9v)to power them or a seperate preamp
w/phantom power and the 48v phantom microdot->XLR adapter??
since the m1 runs off of 3 volts, the plug in power bias can't
be more than 2 volts or so, i'm wondering if that will be enough
headroom for the mics or not...also, does anyone know if the p48
adapter is active or passive?
on the recording side, i've run jecklin disc recordings before
in the studio with radio shack onmi condenser capsules <noisy
but cheep!> and i really like the 'hemisphere' pickup pattern,
but certainly haven't run one at a show, i know that MBHO makes
a jecklin disc, but other than that haven't heard or seen too
much about it...anyone else ever heard any jecklin disc
recordings?? l8r..Nick
From: "seethreepo2" <seethreepo2@home.com>
Subject: ISO these 1997 further fest shows
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:51:28 -0800
I'm looking for the Black Crowes sets from the following Further Festival
1997 dates..
if you have the jam portion as well thats a bonus.
june 20 west palm beach Fla
july 3rd queens NY
july 11 hershey PA
july 15 burgettstown Pa (pittsburgh)
july 22 noblesvillle IN
I"m also looking for anyone who may have taped the band prior to 1998 or the
Jimmy Page tour
I have many many masters to offer in trade from a wide variety of artist
from Van Morrison to Metallica
I have 6 Black Crowes masters from a variety of tours 96, 98 , 2001
and can do cdrs (with za2 digital soundcard ) or dat clones
Lastly I have a substantial and diverse low gen vhs collection including a
1st gen GD video one week before Jerry's last show.
So if you have the further shows or other Crowes pre 98 masters drop me a
line ! It'll be worth your time I assure you !
view my DAT, CDR and VHS Lists
at www.avroland.ca/dtc
From: -bob <bp@gti.net>
Subject: Re: EgoSys WT2496 and XP with Audio Apps
Reply-To: bp@gti.net
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 21:47:52 -0500
Does anyone know of a driver for the Waveterminal 2496 for Windows NT?
I know I'm a fossil, but my first choice would be Solaris, second Linux.
I fear that I may end up XPatriating to the latest Microsoft camp and doing the
upgrade which I know will loose half of my other hardware.........
Is anyone using XP with Soundforge, Cakewalk, or Cubase? Do they run OK?
How about EAC, CDRWin, Adaptec EZ-CD, Winamp, Monkey's, WS_FTP, CDWave, and
MKWAct SHN tools ?
I feel as though I have a loaded pistola pointed at my foot! Should I make the
upgrade?
-bob
From: "Tim Crocker" <crocks@frontiernet.net>
Subject: FS: Tascam DA20mkII
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 22:09:19 -0500
Due to upgrade I am looking to sell my TASCAM playback deck. Originally
purchased from Terrapin 2 years ago and has been very lovingly handled.
Works flawlessly. Very low hours, only used as play-back deck, never used
to record. It is in 'like-new' condition and I have original box, all
manuals, remote, head-cleaner, etc.
Looking for best offer or first $400!
Tim C.
From: sec1968@ezl.com
Subject: otr shows
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 21:28:06 -0600
Hi all. Over The Rhine is making another round of US shows this fall. If anyone happens to record any, please let
me know. I'll be catching the St. Louis in december, plus I have a very nice show from last march.
shane
My home page http://www.ezl.com/~sec1968/
sec1968@ezl.com (home, ASP, Toad & Train)
icq# - 46591859
shane.calhoon@anheuser-busch.com (work)
314-765-9187 (work)
check out my friends The Stubblefield Band.
http://www.stubblefieldband.com
From: CWDATHEAD@aol.com
Subject: FS:Matched Pair of Earthworks SR77's
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 22:45:03 EST
For Sale:
Matched Pair of Earthworks SR77's In solid Cherry box.
Bought new from Sonic Sense May of last year.
http://www.earthwks.com/f_mic/sr77_spec.html
Asking $780.00 Firm includes NextDay Air shipping
Make it an even $800 and I'll toss in a pair of 15' Audio Magic Xstream XLR
cables
Reply to:Psychoarts@aol.com
Peace,
Greg
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