DAT-heads Digest #129
Contents:
Dat to PC Transfer Question ("Jason")
md rig ("John Torkelson")
Re: Delano & his magic Tascam CDRW700 (acffh)
Anastasio/Sills/Payton/Weir Nov 29 Hartford CT -can anyone run this? (acffh)
Digigram VX Pocket 440 (-bob)
DDS on a Windows PC (matt shudtz)
How to? SBD Matrix. Please Help. (Michel Pacifici)
ISO: recent US Coldplay Gigs.... ("jeffc")
Telluride Blues and Brews Festival (anybody tape it!?) ("John R. Vanderpool")
DATport drivers, need some help (Richard Hammond)
Re: dds drive expierences... (Romain Kang)
Looking for Black Sabbath shows (HAJO STEFFEN)
U2 St. Louis 11-28-01 FT (Daniel Thweatt)
ISO: Oysterhead VHS from HBO's Reverb (Matthew Blum)
Re: DDS on a Windows PC ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.")
Re: Matt's angry response about ProDigital (Delano)
From: "Jason" <litsnsirn@home.com>
Subject: Dat to PC Transfer Question
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:37:25 -0600
Hi, I'm still trying to understand my DAT to PC transfer operation. I'm
using a Lexicon Core 2 setup as the soundcard and Cool Edit SE(what it
shipped with) as the software. My problem is that there just seems like
there is too much information to wade through to get to the features that I
need to do simple editing, and I am getting frustrated. Is there a better
way?
From: "John Torkelson" <jambandfan41@hotmail.com>
Subject: md rig
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:22:05 -0500
I have a md recorder and was wondering what I need to start pulling some
decent shows?
thanks
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From: acffh <morst@itis.com>
Subject: Re: Delano & his magic Tascam CDRW700
Reply-To: morst@itis.com
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:11:22 -0600
I bet you can call the warranty company and, being extremely polite and
patient (ya waited 3 months already, you must be patient) ask them to please
extend your warranty for the time the unit was sitting waiting to be repaired.
You will certainly have adequate proof, in the form of shipping receipts. I
have had a warranty extended on a Hard Drive for the time it took the factory
to find a replacemnt unit, this situation sounds somewhat similar. Good luck!
-tom
SNIP
(Paul added that he had only possessed the units for 7 weeks).
[snip]
The proverbial clock is ticking on my warranty and the unit does me no good
sitting on a shelf somewhere in Pennsylvania.
From: acffh <morst@itis.com>
Subject: Anastasio/Sills/Payton/Weir Nov 29 Hartford CT -can anyone run this?
Reply-To: morst@itis.com
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:38:00 -0600
If anyone can make a recording of this, I know it's late notice, but someone
should get in and do it. If it does get done, my friend (who has a 20-page
paper on the ritual aspects of the Grateful Dead scene) would really
appreciate being able to hear it soon (paper is due in two weeks). My friend
has a server if a kind soul would upload even a set of (the dreaded) MP3 files
just to get the talk out there! Full-On SHN files are fine too, of course.
Much to trade for this, thanks a lot!!!
-tom in Madison in conjunction with Robby in Colorado
ANASTASIO, WEIR IN FORUM ON "THE POWER OF MUSIC"
Phish guitarist Trey Anastasio will be part of a forum on "The Power of
Music", Thursday November 29 at 8 p.m. at the Bushnell Theatre in Hartford,
CT. The event, which is sold out, is hosted by Lincoln Financial Group. The
other members of the forum will be Grateful Dead member Bob Weir, television
and music star Beverly Sills, and bassist Nicholas Payton, with A&R
executive (and author of 'A&R') Bill Flanagan as moderator. For more
information, see www.ctforum.org, which gives as an abstract: "Music
connects with a part of our being on so many levels, in so many
ways...emotionally, physically, intellectually. Our exciting panel explores
the magic, mystery and power of music...a tradition, an industry, a powerful
voice in society." (from phishnews at www.phish.com)
From: -bob <nattyfret@yahoo.com>
Subject: Digigram VX Pocket 440
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:08:15 -0800 (PST)
Matrixing was my first thought, when I saw the press
release ! The wonder of technology.
My second thought was of a four-mic rig with echo
channel(usually rear-facing)mics for latter mixing in
order to achieve the reduction of arena and stadium
echo.
BTW. has anyone attempted two-mic mono at arenas and
stadiums, using one as back-channel to mix out
echo?
Does anyone have any expeience with echo and
background noise reduction on the group ?
I seem to remember a thread on Brenden Byrne
Arena "slap" echo from pre 1995 days. Was that
here on Dat-Heads?
Cheers,
-Bob
=== Klay Wrote:
a laptop computer. The VXpocket 440 features four
balanced analog inputs at microphone or line level,
four balanced analog outputs, a headphone monitoring
output, one stereo SPDIF input and output, and an LTC
(SMPTE) time-code input.
This would beg the opportunity to record location with
a stereo board feed and two house mics and time align
them in mixdown.
Street price is only US$749.
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From: matt shudtz <pms55@columbia.edu>
Subject: DDS on a Windows PC
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:25:16 -0500 (EST)
I bought a DDS drive from Mashek about 8 months ago and the drive has
been great. Software is another issue. I run a Windows PC, so the only
viable option for recording both to and from DATs is this program called
VDat. The software is sold by some guy in Germany for $100. It's an
absolute rip-off as far as performance goes, but if you don't mind dealing
with a slightly finnicky program, the $300 total price is pretty good when
compared to a stand-alone deck.
I guess I should probably expound on my statement that the software is
finnicky. There are several problems that I've found to be quite an
annoyance. First is that the program will occasionally not recognize an
audio-recorded DAT, it will think it's a data cartridge and won't do
anything. I'm not absolutely sure, but I think the cause for this is that
when the DATs in question were originally recorded, my deck was in a daisy
chain and the input was disconnected before I hit the stop button on my
D8. I'm not totally sure about this, though, b/c I don't know if the stop
button cues the deck to write some sort of end ID that "finalizes" the
DAT such that it can be recognized as an audio tape. I don't know how to
fix this, so I've ended up going thru my Zoltrix digi soundcard to get
those DATs on my hard drive. Another problem I've found with the program
is that it will only record onto the same hard drive on which the program
is installed. So if your hard drive is petitioned or if you have several
drives, you need to copy the program into each individual drive. The
program also boasts the ability to play DATs through your soundcard, but
the playback is terrible. I have no idea why, but there are always
dropouts in the playback every 10 or 15 seconds. And finally, more of a
peeve than an actual functionality fault in the program is that it does
not read ID numbers or Runtime correctly from DATs recorded on a deck
other than the DDS.
The nice aspects of the program are that it is small, records DATs with a
SCMS bit 0 so that you can make unlimited copies, and will rip from DATs
at up to 4x based on your drive.
Take it easy.
~matt
From: Michel Pacifici <mickpacifici@mediaone.net>
Subject: How to? SBD Matrix. Please Help.
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:58:34 -0800
Hello all....
I am looking for anyone with good advice/info on doing sbd/matrix
recordings. Soulive is comming to LA and last time I taped them I was
unhappy with both my FOB and On-Stage recordings. The FOB had too much
chatter, and the on-stage was lacking key's.... I am hoping to get
better results from a sbd Mic mixture. This is what I will be using.
Neumann KM140. Lunatec V2. Mackie 1202. Apogee AD500e. D8 or G3w/
digigram card.
Here are my questions....
1. Is it better to to a matrix with on-stage mics or FOB mic's.
2. If the mic's are on-stage can I plug into the house XLR snake
3. If I can use the snake where does the preamp (lunatec V2) go?
Please offer any other advice you can.
Thanks Mick
From: "jeffc" <jcarvalh@lynx.neu.edu>
Subject: ISO: recent US Coldplay Gigs....
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:49:43 -0500
Especially looking for tonight's WBRU Birthday bash performance in
Providence,RI.
Email me privately if you can help...
regards
=====
Jeff
From: "John R. Vanderpool" <fish@daacdev1.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Telluride Blues and Brews Festival (anybody tape it!?)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:20:24 -0500 (EST)
the line up this year (and past) has been stupendous - i know the
bluegrass fest is taper-friendly (i.e. totally open!!) but the blues
fest seems to not be (at least according to the web page)
looks like a wonderful event that i hope to hit next year, they can be
checked out at:
http://www.tellurideblues.com
anyway, in case you forgot i'm looking for tapes from any year of the
blues & brews festival
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to believe in this living is just a hard way to go. -john prine
From: Richard Hammond <rlhammon@home.com>
Subject: DATport drivers, need some help
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:21:26 -0600
I was recently forced to re-do my Windows install and now have to
re-install the drivers for my DATport. I can only find one disc for
this, but it's just got the n-Track Studio on there and not the
Configuration Software. Been a long time since I had to do this, so not
sure if I just lost a disc somewhere. Can anyone provide a copy of the
configuration software to install so my DATport will work again?
Thanks for the help,
Rich Hammond
P.S. To the helper goes a show of your choice from my list.
From: Romain Kang <romain@kzsu.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: dds drive expierences...
Reply-To: romain@kzsu.stanford.edu
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:32:09 -0800 (PST)
I acquired one of the Seagate drives from Mashek and I've been
happy with it. IIRC, a 2 hour tape transfers in about 30 minutes.
For software, I'm using a Linux tool built on top of DATlib that
writes a .WAV file. For DATlib, see Wayne Hoxsie's site,
http://www.hoxnet.com/dat-tools/
It's been trouble-free, a joy compared with the dropouts I routinely
had with the old Opcode DATport.
Romain Kang Disclaimer: I speak for myself alone,
romain@kzsu.stanford.edu except when indicated otherwise.
From: Hajo.Steffen@t-online.de (HAJO STEFFEN)
Subject: Looking for Black Sabbath shows
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:58:09 +0100
Hi Dat-Heads,
- I´m looking for "taped" shows of my fav. band Black Sabbath. I would like to
trade for copies of other shows, which I have collected over the years.....
Please send your "list" offline (hajo.steffen@t-online.de) and in return I´ll
send you mine.
Kind regards,
HAJO
From: DannyThweatt@webtv.net (Daniel Thweatt)
Subject: U2 St. Louis 11-28-01 FT
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:49:51 -0600 (CST)
Taped U2 tonight at Savvis Center.
Sharp 722 MD w/ Sony ECM-MS907 one point Stereo mic. Sounds nice. I'd
grade it A- as there are a few level fluctuations and a bit of crowd
noise. Approx. 110 Minutes. (2 CDR)
Also taped the Garbage set, but I had to hide the mic a time or two
because of attendants coming around showing people to their seats.
Haven't checked the Garbage recording yet. Please e-mail with trade
offers.
My list:
http://www.sanctifiedpress.com/trade.html
Have a nice day, Danny
Check out Sanctified Press:christian
rock,apologetics,poetry,ranting,etc...
"http://www.sanctifiedpress.com"
danny@sanctifiedpress.com
From: Matthew Blum <miblum@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO: Oysterhead VHS from HBO's Reverb
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:13:29 -0800 (PST)
Someone must have taped this and I totally forgot to.
I would love a copy of their 30 minute section from
the show to mpeg. Hopefully someone can help. peace.
matthew
WOB B&P to the first three, your choice of one:
Incubus 11.25.01
Weezer 11.24.01
U2 Phoenix 11.23.01
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From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Re: DDS on a Windows PC
Reply-To: <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:26:52 -0600 (CST)
On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, matt shudtz wrote:
> I bought a DDS drive from Mashek about 8 months ago and the drive has
> been great. Software is another issue. I run a Windows PC, so the only
> viable option for recording both to and from DATs is this program called
> VDat. The software is sold by some guy in Germany for $100. It's an
> absolute rip-off as far as performance goes, but if you don't mind dealing
> with a slightly finnicky program, the $300 total price is pretty good when
> compared to a stand-alone deck.
>
> I guess I should probably expound on my statement that the software is
> finnicky. There are several problems that I've found to be quite an
> annoyance. First is that the program will occasionally not recognize an
> audio-recorded DAT, it will think it's a data cartridge and won't do
> anything.
I think this can be attributed to flakiness of the drive. Remember
that these were retrofitted at SGI's request to do audio. From the
beginning they were not designed for audio, but it was shoe-horned
into the firmware later.
> I'm not absolutely sure, but I think the cause for this is that
> when the DATs in question were originally recorded, my deck was in a daisy
> chain and the input was disconnected before I hit the stop button on my
> D8. I'm not totally sure about this, though, b/c I don't know if the stop
> button cues the deck to write some sort of end ID that "finalizes" the
> DAT such that it can be recognized as an audio tape.
I doubt this is the cause. Possibly there is some totally blank
leader on the tape, in which case the drive assumes DDS. I don't know
about the windows variants, but using standard unix `mt' command, you
can force the drive into "audio" mode (more accurately, you set the
density code to 0x80. DDS is 0x13). The linux and solaris software,
DATLib, does this automatically when accessing the audio capabilities
of the drive.
> I don't know how to
> fix this, so I've ended up going thru my Zoltrix digi soundcard to get
> those DATs on my hard drive. Another problem I've found with the program
> is that it will only record onto the same hard drive on which the program
> is installed. So if your hard drive is petitioned or if you have several
> drives, you need to copy the program into each individual drive. The
> program also boasts the ability to play DATs through your soundcard, but
> the playback is terrible. I have no idea why, but there are always
> dropouts in the playback every 10 or 15 seconds.
It's pretty bad on unix too with the DDS-2 drives. I think they should
buffer the audio by a few megs before sending it to the soundcard.
The stop-and-go operation of the DDS-2 mechanism when forcing the
audio stream into real-time (as opposed to 2.5x to 4x with the DDS-2
and DDS-3 drives respectively) is probably where the choppy audio
comes from. Incidently, my SGI workstation with the old 1x DDS drive
it came with plays seamlessly (using SGI built-in tools).
> And finally, more of a
> peeve than an actual functionality fault in the program is that it does
> not read ID numbers or Runtime correctly from DATs recorded on a deck
> other than the DDS.
>
> The nice aspects of the program are that it is small, records DATs with a
> SCMS bit 0 so that you can make unlimited copies, and will rip from DATs
> at up to 4x based on your drive.
That's the shit! Cuts loads of time off of dubbing--especially when
doing festival shows, etc.
>
> Take it easy.
>
> ~matt
>
--
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wayne@hoxnet.com
http://www.hoxnet.com
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From: Delano <eagle-winged-palace@home.com>
Subject: Re: Matt's angry response about ProDigital
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:45:29 -0500
>>Hey Mike;
Since you love ProDigital so much, I thought that your rude
message should at least provide a counter point.
>>First, I didn't email you. If you check the header, you'll see that I
>>replied to an email sent to me. Whereas you seem offended that I cc'd
>>several people relavent to the subject matter, I replied to your
>>POST ON A PUBLIC MAILING LIST WHERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WILL SEE IT!
>>It will be archived, and people will happen upon it for years.
>>Your logic begs the question, "What're you, on crack?".
I'm sorry but I don't use unnatural chemicals. Maybe you should tone down
your edge, angerboy.
>>You don't see a contradiction there???
Do you mean that an angry person is accusing me of using these drugs? Yes,
I do see your contradiction.
>>I cc'd you because to not do so would be like talking behind your back.
>>(Some might consider THAT rude!)
>>(You know, rude, like trashing a business publically on the internet
>>without even giving them a chance to respond. (I noticed you didn't
>>bother to cc paul like an adult would do, again, rude)
Paul did read the message. I have no idea what you are talking about
(apparently like you).
>>Many people won't pay enough attention to notice all of the things I
>>found inconsistent with your trashing, or have the facts that most
>>customers are satisfied, and sometimes problems don't just wave at you
>>when you take the cover off. They'll just remember that some guy said
>>they suck, and I better not chance it. What's your business' name?
Sure, my business is 'Smoky Mountain Solutions' and I know how to use a
phone and email when I revise anything that I told a customer (that's how
important honesty is to me).
>>THEN you write:
>>if you promise service within a specified period of time, then
>>completely fail to respond, then make 3 erroneous diagnosiss', then
>>promise again to have the unit fixed and mailed by a specific time, then
>>fail to do so or even make an attempt at an apology for the series of
>>false representations the service pretty much sucks.
>>
>>First of all, that's some sentence. Forget the crack, are you on speed?
>>Apparently you've never dealt with any service company before, or you've
>>alienated them all in a similar fashion.
Guess what
>>Most people understand that a date for the repair of a processor based
>>electronic device isn't a guarantee, but an educated guess based on
>>previous experience with that product. I notice the website claim wording
>>is 10 day turn around IN MOST CASES.
>>If there was an email waiting for you when you returned from being away
>>(as you state in your post) then I don't see how he failed to respond.
What are you talking about?! I have said 3 times, and maybe this is not
enough for you, but Paul NEVER contacted me. That means NEVER. His
secretary left a terse message stating they didn't have my credit card
number - which they already had (nothing about the status.
>>If you were concerned, why didn't you call him while you were away to see
>>if things were still on schedule?
I did, but since I was told something different all 6 times I spoke with
Paul or a ProDig representative. At no point did I feel like I was being
dealt with honestly.
>>You've never had a car in for a repair where they found more problems or
>>more extensive damage than expected?
Yes, and it never took more than 3 days - what's your point?!
>>You state "three erroneous diagnoses'". There are many components that
>>can fail on the board(s)that will cause the same symptom. If Paul has to
>>resort to replacing the entire board to repair it instead of replacing
>>one IC or resistor, that repair is going to be alot more expensive than a
>>few 75 cent resistors and the labor charge. The fact that the
>>manufacturer charges high prices for assemblies compounded by the low
>>prices these units go for these days, nobody wants to get anything
>>repaired. They just buy a new one.
>>You state that he didn't attempt to apologize for a series of false
>>representations. If he was really making false representations, why would
>>he be eager to apologize?
I don't really care if you don't care if others deal honestly with you -
that's your business. However, when I say something to clients, friends or
b+p beggers, I shoot straight by telling the truth. If I told you that I
was going to send you some discs on Tuesday, and didn't mail them until
Thursday, I would tell you and apologize for the delay. In business, I go
out of my way to send clients daily updates.
When someone tells me that I will receive something on a certain date and
then don't hear from them for multiple weeks - guess what, I want to know
what is happening.
>>As someone in the electronic repair business for over 17 years I will
>>tell you that you have just experienced the two extreme ends of how
>>repairing this type of stuff goes. Did I mention that manufacturers
>>usually keep quiet when they find that there are bugs in products they've
>>already sold thousands of, specifically like the CD-RW 700. I had a
>>similar situation when mine had some flaws corrected that took awhile to
>>isolate.
If you are suggesting Paul had some reason to be dishonest about the time
it takes to repair a Tascam unit, you are chemically confused.
>>I found out when I opened my buddy's unit bought a year after mine that
>>they made modifications to fix that flaw. They never issued a service
>>bulletin so anyone else could figure this out when they came across it.
>>Lastly, it certainly IS within your rights to update your opinion, or to
>>express one in the first place.
>>It is to the EXACT SAME DEGREE as my right to respond to your PUBLIC POSTING.
Then keep it public - I have nothing to hide unlike you who rudely defends
Paul by name calling.
>>Spam you say? Try righteous indignation.
Who are you to have righteous indignation? Do you work for ProDig? If so,
your letter smacks of angry rhetoric. Either way, I will be happy to
continue this conversation although it might bring more negative attention
given the recent emotional comments made by you.
>>Even if that comparison was accurate, we've had billboards along the
>>highway for almost 100 years, what're they?.
>>Glowing praise one time, trashing the next....Are you bi-polar?
I suffer the same ups and downs of the normal human. Your rhetorical
question shows the depth of your emotion and seems to be eclipsing all
logic at this point. Let me explain...
I used ProDig service twice, guess what - I had 2, yes 2, completely
different experiences. It seems that you favor making up the mind once and
then closing the path to change or open-mindedness. It's a good thing for
women, slaves, and other minorities that US politicians are not so closed
minded. Shame on you!!!
>>Again, reference the dat tape analogy in my "offensive" email, there are
>>often unwarranted repercussions to that kind of behavior. The least of
>>which is embarassment, or it could hurt a decent persons business.
Oh, I'm so sorry Matt. Next time I feel wronged by someone you like, I
will ask your opinion before I express mine (get a life! and a grip for
what it really means to live in a FREE country!!)
>>I happen to know the pro- digital staff, but you would have gotten my two
>>cents regardless of who you were whining about since you chose a PUBLIC
>>FORUM to air your complaint.
I welcome your comments, albeit illogical and emotional.
>>Take care, MI
>>PS: People like you are why I stopped reading and posting on dat-heads
>>back in 96. Pompous, self important people who think their D8 or $400
>>consumer burner is the only thing a shop has to work on.
>>Oh, because of you I decided to post on dat-heads this one last time.
Cool, maybe you will be able to see through your angry-rose-colored-glasses
that we are not all self important people. Just music fans with a digital
habit who share the breadth and depth of their experiences with others of
similar interests.
Take Care,
Delano
http://www.geocities.com/digitaldelano/
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