DAT-heads Digest #132, Volume #6 Sat, 1 Dec 01 13:50:01 EST Contents: Halloween B&P closed Phil and Friends FM this weekend in Boston (John) schoeps rigs ("max erenberg") re: DDS Drive ("Bill Lakenan") Re: schoeps rigs (Liam Sean Kennedy) Re: DDS drives (Louie Rendek) Levon Helm & the Barn Burners about digital sound cards (".Sue.") 2 Meter De Avond In (Arnold van Heyst) back in action... ("john e. bogus") ISO: One Dec. 21 P&F Christmas Jam floor tix at Asheville ("Jacob Jordan") U2 Master tapers wanted-800 dat masters to trade! (Corey Present) looking for some dead shows ("paul gluchanicz") Lucid PCI24 (Edwin Hurwitz) Just Relocated to Phoenix (Aleal5687@cs.com) ISO: Hornsby 8.13.2001 + Phil 11.10.2001 Louisville, KY (clint morrison) 2 Meter (Arnold van Heyst) FS: APOGEE AD1000 Platinum + DA1000E-20 and PS1000 (Eric Reichenbach) Re-sampling Question (Sean Cartwright) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Halloween B&P closed Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:11:18 -0500 Hello, the 5 rapidly turned in to 10. The offer is now closed. A few thoughts. Minidiscers are welcome, but don't expect me to know how to run the thing or be interested in learning. I don't want to have to deal with starting and stopping each person in the chain's deck. If the patcher has the same deck as I run I will deal with it. If you run something else, elect one of your brothers, with a similar deck, to handle your part of the chain. Nugs to you all--Kevin ------------------------------ From: John Subject: Phil and Friends FM this weekend in Boston Reply-To: john@whalen.net Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:17:26 -0500 Ala the Ratdog show last month, 100.7 fm in Boston is airing a complete show from last weeks 3 night Boston run this Sunday at 9pm. Should be uninterupted sets with an interview during setbreak. ------------------------------ From: "max erenberg" Subject: schoeps rigs Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:18:25 -0700 I'll first apologize for the following rant. It's time we fix this problem. Tapes made from Schoeps rigs need to be labeled correctly. You always see 64's, or say, cmc6/4>V2>ad100>dap1. This is wrong, the signal path is mk4>cmc6>V2>ad100>dap1 so really the first example should be 46's, I know it may seem confusing or contrary to what you know but it is correct, we need to label our tapes as the signal flows. end rant _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: "Bill Lakenan" Subject: re: DDS Drive Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:25:24 -0500 > From: matt shudtz > Subject: Re: DDS drive > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:54:53 -0500 (EST) > > Several people have responded to my post suggesting DAT2WAV for ripping > DATs to the hard drive. While it seems to be great for that purpose, it > does not support Hard Drive > DAT transfer... Matt and all, This is not exactly true. As a registered use of DAT2WAV, I got an alpha copy of version 1.2 which allows writing to DAT on other goodies. I recieved the aphpa copy about a year ago, so I'd imagine that the release of 1.2 has happened or will happen shortly. Below is a clip from the readme.tx file for DAT2WAV version 1.2: What's new in 1.2? ================== We've added a LOT of new features in 1.2. The biggest new feature is the ability to write DAT tapes. A summary of the new features: - WAV2DAT - write WAV and MP3 files to tape - DAT2DAT - use two drives to make an exact copy of a tape - DAT2IMG - make a copy of a tape to an image file - IMG2DAT - write an image file to tape - Media Recognition System (MRS) support - seeking to specific points on tape before reading - forcing reading tape to physical end of tape - user setable lead-in, lead-out, intertrack silence gaps - a whole lot more code to help diagnose problems I also own a copy of vdat and have found DAT2WAV to be much more stable and deal better with tape and drive anomolies. vdat does offer a nice Windows interface. Both programs have proven to pull bit accurate extracions from audio DATs. Hope this helps the discussion. - Bill Lakenan - bill(at)lakenan(dot)net ------------------------------ From: Liam Sean Kennedy Subject: Re: schoeps rigs Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:52:51 -0500 So... this is what is called a revisioninst history (or at least I would call it). You are saying the correct labelling is your opinion. In many cases its possible to rewrite history, but generally naming conventions are hard to change, even if they do not make much sense. #example should be 46's, I know it may seem confusing or contrary to what you #know but it is correct, we need to label our tapes as the signal flows. This goes against they way Schoeps themselves have been numbering them. Posthorn still advertises: MSTC64 CMH64 And their manual says: Performance specifications of VMS 5 U with Schoeps CMC 64 (cardioid): Equivalent noise level: 27 dB (CCIR, qps); 17 dB (A-weighted) If you try to revise this it will cause confusion and certainly if schoeps disagrees with you, so will others about your correctness. # labeled correctly. You always see 64's, or say, cmc6/4>V2>ad100>dap1. This # is wrong, the signal path is mk4>cmc6>V2>ad100>dap1 so really the first This is pretty irrelevent. The capsulses alone without some mechanism to provide the amplifier capabilities are pretty useless. You cannot use a CMC without a mk. You can use a mk with a CMC, the above mentioned, some cable + VMS or reutelhuber supply. For all these cases the mk is constant, so it can be dropped from the naming convention. Why carry around a name for a component if you have a name for the system? The name CMC-64 is an adequate and standard description of a microphone system, so its irrelevent that it goes through a mk4 -> CMC6 as it will not work without the CMC or another equivalent. It is not advantageous to introduce another naming system and cleary confusing to use one that says CMC-46 (a T-powered amplifier + a switchable capsule). Sean (who had his first pair of schoeps in 1990) ------------------------------ From: Louie Rendek Subject: Re: DDS drives Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:09:20 -0500 Alan (and all), I don't get why people say "vDAT allows you to stay in windows". you don't have to exit windows to run DAT2WAV, you just open the command prompt window up in Win9x or whatever OS you're using and run the command line there. there is NO need to exit Windows or 95% of the Win-related OS users would be hosed. i have found DAT2WAV to be much more reliable for what i bought the drive to do....read audio from the DAT. i am not completely sure that i trust the DDS drives to write audio, remember, home audio decks have a small amount of error correction built in with the outputs. minor errors that are transmitted in the DDS drive transfer of audio are not present on home audio decks. i am not talking about multi-second diginoise tears or dropouts, those get through no matter what, but minor errors are transferred with the DDS drive. this is all just my $0.02 remember, louie rendek seekup.cwru.edu At 01:50 PM 11/30/01 -0500, you wrote: >From: Alan Saferstein >Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #130 >Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:05:21 -0500 > >Last I checked DAT2WAV is $50 bucks. Not exactly inexpensive (either) for >something I have to run through DOS. I went the extra for vdat and >personally, I recommend it. I do agree the price is steep, but is lets >you stay in Windows (98 SR2 for me). Mine plays with no glitches at >all. Then again, I don't play tapes for long on it. I check for where I >want it >to start the wave capture and start extracting. [If I made the DAT myself >at a show, I note where I stopped recording to use that as the end time >for wave capture. Right when you put a tape in a DDS drive, it rewinds >the tape.] I didn't buy mine wanting to play, but being that I have let >it play for several minutes, I am pretty confident it would play for >quite a while. Don't forget, for glitch-free audio, follow the windows >settings tips here. > >http://www.celestialaudio.com/win95_info.htm > >It has had a hitch with a tape or two that didn't have absolute time, so I >went the old fashioned route, in through the digi-card (or copy the >tape). Nothing like getting the music in at 2.2x, and finally I am using >a DAT machine that was DESIGNED!!! to use 90m tapes. > >BTW it plays out of the digital out of my Zoltrix in to an outboard Audio >Alchemy D/A converter. No I just need some real monitor speakers. > >Alan ------------------------------ From: Subject: Levon Helm & the Barn Burners Reply-To: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:35:17 -0500 Did anyone record Levon Helm & the Barn Burners last night at Sweet Carolines in Winchester, Va. I hear that this band is really hot. Levon can no longer sing, but I hear that they are playing some killer blues. Look for them next week 12/8/01 at The Chameleon Club, Lancaster, Pa. If you did please let me know. PEACE & BLESSINGS, STUART ------------------------------ From: ".Sue." Subject: about digital sound cards Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:46:12 -0500 Thank you to everyone who responded to my previous E mail. All of you have been very helpful. I'm still hoping I can find information on a digital soundcard for my computer. Yes, I would prefer the soundcard than a standalone burner that will further crowd up my room. Thanks. ------------------------------ From: Arnold van Heyst Subject: 2 Meter De Avond In Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:03:19 +0100 Is er iemand die het laatste half uur van de rechtstreekse uitzending van "2 Meter De Avond In" opgenomen heb met de 2 Meter Sessie van Jan Akkerman & Inge Severijnse op 28-05-1991? Ik kwam op die laatste half uur tape tekort!!!!!! Ruilen tegen???? Alleen op DAT!! Arnold van Heyst. Reactie naar: avan.heyst@quicknet.nl ------------------------------ From: "john e. bogus" Subject: back in action... Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 04:16:26 -0500 OK, after about 2 months, I finally got back online. In the process of getting divorced, my x-wife cancelled the internet service and then my computer crashed. I got lucky and was able to retreive all my email addresses. If there is anyone who I have an unfinished trade with and I have not emailed you yet, please give me a swift kick (I'm not asking you, I'm telling you...) and remind me. All pending trades have gone out except a couple that I did not yet have a mailing address to send them to. I apologise for any delay and hope that no one posted anything bad about me when I was offline. If there has been any problem, please tell me so I can correct it. Give me a few days to clear up any problems I may still be unaware of, and next week I will post for the next round of trading for my still uncirculated masters from the fall. I know some of you have been waiting for certain of them, so I'm trying to get the ball (tapes) rolling again asap. Anyone who has received tapes from my last mailing, please email me and confirm that you all got them ok. Sorry if any emails have bounced or not been responded to, but the last day that I got email was 10/10/01. My email addy mallness@surfbest.net IS working again, so here I am back in action, I missed you all too.... john e. bogus ------------------------------ From: "Jacob Jordan" Subject: ISO: One Dec. 21 P&F Christmas Jam floor tix at Asheville Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:35:39 -0500 Hey all, First off sorry for the cross post. I'm looking for a tix to the Phil and Friends Christmas show in Asheville, NC on Dec. 21. If anyone has an extra floor tix I would appreciate. I'd like to tape the show and could offer copies. Thanks for your help and the spa e, Jacob Also, if someone could post this on the Phil list I would apprec it. Or just drop me that lists email. BWT: Will do a couple of B&Ps from my list. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Corey Present Subject: U2 Master tapers wanted-800 dat masters to trade! Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:22:44 -0800 (PST) Hi, I am looking to trade with anybody who has recorded a U2 show, all tours. Especially looking for leg 3 tapers but always love to find older masters. I have recorded U2 9 times this tour and a bunch on Popmart. I also have recorded 800+ dat masters by many bands to offer. Please send your list, I will send mine. Thanks! Corey Elysian321@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "paul gluchanicz" Subject: looking for some dead shows Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 03:06:56 looking for: 9-24-87 philly 6-21-91 bonnr springs _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Lucid PCI24 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:46:26 -0700 >I bought a PCI24 audio card from them, because it was supposed to >convert 48 files to 44.1 "on the fly" AND output 24 bit files. The >card does have this capability, BUT they never released the software >drivers for the Mac to take advantage of it, even though they kept >promising they would. They just came out with several betas and never >a bug free release, and then discontinued support for the card >entirely, so it isn't possible to record at 24 bits as the name of >the card implies and the specs promise. > >I found their manual to be terrible and their tech support no help >and nasty as well. I would not buy any products from them again. > I had the same experience. The only reason I continue to use this card is because it does read my Sony LP mode tapes and converts them to 16bit 44.1 on the fly. Their tech support was terrible and it took quite a long time to even get the card to work at all. Now it does work fine for what it does, but for most of my work, I use other things. Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin Peace now! ------------------------------ From: Aleal5687@cs.com Subject: Just Relocated to Phoenix Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:30:21 EST Sorry for the off topic post I just moved to Phoenix, AZ from Texas. I am looking to get in touch with other tapers in the area. BWT Death Cab For Cutie 11/10/01 Emo's Austin TX 77min SBD>DAT>CDR Thanks Arnold Leal HTTP://www.geocities.com/aleal5687 ------------------------------ From: clint morrison Subject: ISO: Hornsby 8.13.2001 + Phil 11.10.2001 Louisville, KY Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:59:26 -0800 (PST) I am really needing these shows if anyone has access to them on DAT or CDR. Thanks so much. Take care- Ben bwt: WSP 11.18.01 Charleston FOB/DFC ccm4ug(ORTF)>v2>modsbm-1 first three only __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Arnold van Heyst Subject: 2 Meter Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 10:01:15 +0100 Wie kan mij helpen aan de 2 meter uitzendingen van King's X [11-04-1999] Supergrass [08-05-1995] en de eerste!! uitzending van Spin Doctors [17-02-1993] [Alles compleet incl. intro/outro van J.D.K./interview(s)/etc.] [Uitsluitend op D.A.T!!] Arnold van Heyst. Reactie naar: avan.heyst@quicknet.nl ------------------------------ From: Halfstep-2@webtv.net (Eric Reichenbach) Subject: FS: APOGEE AD1000 Platinum + DA1000E-20 and PS1000 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:08:41 -0500 (EST) I sent this a few days ago but never saw it posted. So, here it is: This is a complete package. All manuals, boxes, cables, and rack mount (+screws) included. All units are in perfect working order and are in excellent condition. Feel free to email me with any questions. I have been having troubles with my mailbox. If your mail happens to bounce, email me at weareeverywhere@webtv.net instead. I am asking $2100 or best offer for the package. Original prrice was over $6000. ($6300 I believe.) Thank you, Eric ------------------------------ From: Sean Cartwright Subject: Re-sampling Question Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 11:44:48 -0500 Hey People, I found the solution to my earlier prob (thanks again for all the responses!) w/my Audiophile 2496. Now I need to be able to resample some 48k recordings. Is there any software that I can download of the web that will resample to 44.1k? If not what is there I can purchase? Is there software that will record/resample at the same time? Any help is appreciated!! 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