DAT-heads Digest #135
Contents:
ISO someone in the US willing to convert 2 videos to NTSC from PAL (Olympian90@aol.com)
Mermen recording info/NW tour dates ("SHBR \(Stephen Brown\)")
smaller, non-rigid battery "box" for stealth mikes? (Bill Pannifer)
Re: Schoeps rigs/Proper Lineage (Jeff Lester)
FS: Core Sound Omni Caps w/ Adjustable Bass Roll Off ("Tatina, Bill")
multi-room speakers ("Phunk1")
ISO: Curtis Claymont ("Richmond Mike")
DAT Drive (Arnold van Heyst)
Hank Williams III ("dAMN bAND")
big *what*? (Keith Shapiro)
Anybody tape this? (Geoff Lynch)
Need mic help, Jupiter Coyote show available, and new DDS FTP add (William Draper)
Sony SDT-9000 for audio Howto? ("Kevin M. Flanagan")
Help!! ISO John Paul Jones 2001 NA tour ("Laurent Hotte")
Re: Schoeps rigs/Proper Lineage ("Jackson Gibbs")
DAT -> PC (Ted)
Extra DATs for B&P ("Jeff Frank")
Correct Semantics? ("Rick Mills")
DDS drives ("Jamie Lutch")
From: Olympian90@aol.com
Subject: ISO someone in the US willing to convert 2 videos to NTSC from PAL
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:58:51 EST
Hello, everyone.
I have two videos that I'm seeking someone to convert them to NTSC from PAL.
The first is a Housemartins video collection (I have the original GO DISCS!
video) and a 2001 appearance by the Cure on Arte TV.
If you can convert these in hi-fi to NTSC, spin a copy for yourself and send
back the originals + conversions, that'd be great.
Hope to hear from you!
Tim
From: "SHBR \(Stephen Brown\)" <sbrown@novozymesbiotech.com>
Subject: Mermen recording info/NW tour dates
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:08:55 -0800
Board patches are allowed for the Mermen (may be venue-dependent), but the
mix is usually not great (heavy on drums and light on guitar since so much
comes from on-stage) - you are better off going on- or foot-of-stage, FOB,
or even matrix. Video is cool too!
I'd appreciate copies of any tapes for the archive, mail me at
steve@mermen.net - also for any Mermen taping tips. Thanks. Also, the
mermenlist Yahoo Group is a good place to trade for shows.
All NW tour dates:
Wed 12-5-01 - WOW Hall, Eugene OR
Thu 12-6-01 - Music Millenium in-store (5 PM), Portland OR
Thu 12-6-01 - Satyricon, Portland OR
Fri 12-7-01 - Reid's Pit Stop Longview WA
Sat 12-8-01 - Crocodile Cafe Seattle WA
Steve
>From: "Degrado, Rob" <Rob.Degrado@voicestream.com>
Subject: Mermen @ the Croc 12/8/01
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:44:52 -0800
This will be a hot December night in Seattle. I myself am committed to John
Hiatt at the EMP, so I was a bit disappointed to get this news just a few
days ago knowing I'd miss it. If anyone is/could tape it, I would be
grateful to get a copy - lots to trade. I'm not sure about board patches but
they do allow taping. This is surf/thrash at its finest and they don't seem
to stray too far from the native California often enough. Go to
http://www.mermen.net/ if interested, their touring the West Coast right
now.
Saturday December 8
Crocodile Cafe
2200 2nd Ave
Seattle WA 98121
206.448.2114<
From: Bill Pannifer <billpannifer@easynet.co.uk>
Subject: smaller, non-rigid battery "box" for stealth mikes?
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 19:12:40 +0000
For some years now I've been recording/stealthing shows with Coresound
cardioid and omni mikes, using Len's regular and bass cut battery boxes.
I wondered if anyone could suggest alternatives to the metal Coresound
boxes, which though heavy duty are rather bulky, and also too heavy in
situations when otherwise a bit of tape would suffice to fix the mikes
themselves to the wall, ceiling etc. Has anyone contrived a smaller/more
flexible/less conspicuous power source for these? be happy to sacrifice
some of the robustness to make them smaller and lighter.
any thoughts appreciated
Bill
From: Jeff Lester <lester@gandalf.sp.trw.com>
Subject: Re: Schoeps rigs/Proper Lineage
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:29:51 -0800 (PST)
"DRider" <Hawkwind@mediaone.net>
>I stopped eating at McDonald's over 13 years ago, but I still remember that
>a Big Mac is "2 all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese on a
>sesame-seed bun".
Ha! You forgot the pickles. :-)
I know I was confused the first time I saw AKG481 or AKG483, I never actually
got confirmation when I asked what they stood for. I assume that 481 is an
abbreviation for 480B+CK61. I've always list them as 480B+CK61 or 480B+CK63.
-Jeff Lester
From: "Tatina, Bill" <Bill.Tatina@nordstrom.com>
Subject: FS: Core Sound Omni Caps w/ Adjustable Bass Roll Off
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:52:37 -0700
These mics are in GREAT shape. Need $$ for X-Mas.
Will sell for 160.00 shipped in the USA. New cost is 260.00
From: "Phunk1" <phunk1@phunk1.com>
Subject: multi-room speakers
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:23:45 -0500
a little off topic, but you guys are so damn knowledgable that I couldnt
help but ask....
I just moved into a huge apartment here in Brooklyn, and I want to setup
some speakers around the apt....like kitchen, bathroom, etc. Can you guys
recommend some small, low powered, decent speakers?
Not audio-phile quality, but solid speakers...
any thoughts?
wob
SKB 11/11/01
sick on-stage MK4v's
From: "Richmond Mike" <keepongrowin@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO: Curtis Claymont
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 15:27:01 -0500
Curtis,
Lost your e-mail.. please, get in touch. got some tapes you HAFTA have.
Boogie On!
Mike
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From: Arnold van Heyst <avan.heyst@quicknet.nl>
Subject: DAT Drive
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:37:33 +0100
Can anyone tell me if the Sony DAT Drive SDT-9000 is capable to
-READ- and -WRITE- normal audio data to standard audio and data dds
tapes?
These tapes must be playable in an ordinary DAT recorder.
If it's not the Sony - wich device is capable to do this?
Thanks in advance,
Arnold van Heyst.
mailto:avan.heyst@quicknet.nl
From: "dAMN bAND" <thatdamnband@hotmail.com>
Subject: Hank Williams III
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 14:43:09 -0600
Hank Williams III and The Damn Band
(www.hankthree.com)
once again more dates
this man is 100% taper / video friendly..
tripods, mic stands welcome...
12/14 The Blue Note Columbia, MO
12/15 On Broadway Springfield, IL
12/19 The Diamond Back Saloon Lawton, OK
12/20 Stickey Fingers Chicken Shack Little Rock, AR
12/21 WW Fairfields Richardson, TX
12/22 Ice Palace Monroe, LA
01/31 CO The Starlight Ft. Collins, CO
02/02 Bluebird Theater Denver, CO
02/04 Continental Club Houston, TX
02/05 Continental Club Houston, TX
02/06 Continental Club Austin, TX
02/07 Continental Club Austin, TX
02/09 Trees Dallas, TX
02/16 Highland County Fair Sebring, FL
also doing B&P for DAT clones of older shows
feel free to email me for any questions
Peace
HenryJ
thatdamnband@hotmail.com
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From: Keith Shapiro <keither@torilive.org>
Subject: big *what*?
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:43:35 -0500 (EST)
actually ...
it's "two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, *pickles*,
*onions*, on a sesame seed bun"
But I still think I'd label that "Big Mac" on my source information.
Now does anyone remember the McDonalds menu song?
Keith
CSB > Big Mac > M1 (line)
--
Keith D. Shapiro
keither@torilive.org
http://www.torilive.org/
From: Geoff Lynch <geofflynch@casablanca.tv>
Subject: Anybody tape this?
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:43:18 -0700
SSIA
ANASTASIO, WEIR IN FORUM ON "THE POWER OF MUSIC"
Phish guitarist Trey Anastasio will be part of a forum on "The Power of
Music", Thursday November 29 at 8 p.m. at the Bushnell Theatre in Hartford,
CT. The event, which is sold out, is hosted by Lincoln Financial Group. The
other members of the forum will be Grateful Dead member Bob Weir, television
and music star Beverly Sills, and bassist Nicholas Payton, with A&R
executive (and author of 'A&R') Bill Flanagan as moderator. For more
information, see www.ctforum.org, which gives as an abstract: "Music
connects with a part of our being on so many levels, in so many
ways...emotionally, physically, intellectually. Our exciting panel explores
the magic, mystery and power of music...a tradition, an industry, a powerful
voice in society." (from phishnews at www.phish.com)
Geoff Lynch
Inside Sales
MacroSystem US
the digital video company
5485 Conestoga Court
Boulder, CO 80301
Phone: 303-801-1027 (direct)
or 303-440-5311 x1027
Fax: 303-440-5322
mail to: geofflynch@casablanca.tv
Web: http://www.casablanca.tv
From: William Draper <wdraper@expressionanalysis.com>
Subject: Need mic help, Jupiter Coyote show available, and new DDS FTP add
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:51:35 -0500
several notes:
1. i may have the option to buy a set of at853s or a set of akg c1000s. i
know which way i'm leaning, but i'd like some input from other people,
especailly users of these particular mics
2. i have the jupiter coyote show form raleigh, nc the other week if anyone
wants a copy
3. my ftp server has changed addresses from weddms.dyndns.org to
h-dog.ugate.net. in addition, i have moved it from adsl to cable modem, so
it will actually be functional now! all old logins are valid, as stated on
the dds ftp site.
thanks,
wed
From: "Kevin M. Flanagan" <kflanagan@nc.rr.com>
Subject: Sony SDT-9000 for audio Howto?
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:35:43 -0500
I've done some searching and it appears that this is the best of the drives
sold for computer backups to use for audio. It doesn't suck for backups
either, at least not at home. The info is kind of sketchy and scattered.
Does anyone know of a single good source for info on making this do audio
extraction?
TIA,
Kevin
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From: "Laurent Hotte" <hottekilburn@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Help!! ISO John Paul Jones 2001 NA tour
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:55:01 -0500
I would like to get people help to try to get John Paul Jones recording of
his North American Tour.
Here are the dates that I'm looking for:
Nov 14 The Warfield San Francisco, CA
Nov 15 Universal Ampitheatre, Los Angeles, CA
Nov 16 Web Theatre, Phoenix, AZ
Nov 17 House Of Blues, Las Vegas
Nov 21 Grand Ballroom at RiverCentre, Minneapolis, St Paul, MN
Nov 23 Barrymore Theatre, Madison, WI
Nov 24 Chicago Theatre , Chicago, IL
Nov 25 The Pageant , St. Louis, MO
Nov 26 Murat Theatre , Indianapolis, IN
Nov 27 The Madrid Theater, Kansas City, MO
Nov 29 Promowest Pavillion, Columbus, OH
Nov 30 Lakewood Civic, Cleveland, OH
Dec 01 Royal Oak Theatre, Detroit, MI
Dec 02 Palace Theatre, Greensburg, PA
Dec 04 University of Buffalo, Centre for The Arts Buffalo, NY
Dec 05 Massey Hall, Toronto, Canada
Dec 06 Place Des Arts , Montreal, Canada
Dec 08 Orpheum Theatre, Boston, MA
Dec 09 Palace Theatre, New Haven, CT
Dec 11 Tower Theatre,, Philadelphia, PA
Dec 12 Lisner Auditorium,, Washington DC
Dec 13 Beacon Theatre, New York, NY
Dec 14 Beacon Theatre, New York, NY
I have a good list of Led Zeppelin & related to offer in exchange. You
can check out my tapelist at:
http://www.geocities.com/drzeuss649/TAPELIST.HTM
Thanks for your help.
Laurent
From: "Jackson Gibbs" <gibbs@crater.net>
Subject: Re: Schoeps rigs/Proper Lineage
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:33:20 -0800
> something new all the time. Not everybody knows the mk4/cmc6 thang.
Yes! As someone who has been regularly confused and/or mystified by
lineages in the past I'd just like to voice my agreement.
It can be real work deciphering lineages if you're not a long time taper.
Providing clear lineages makes the hobby much more accessible to the taper
interested in getting his/her own rig.
Myself, I'd be satisfied with being able to copy whatever's between two >'s,
paste it into google, and have a reasonable chance of getting a hit that
explained the thing to me.
-Jackson
From: Ted <tedcat@pacbell.net>
Subject: DAT -> PC
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 22:05:49 -0800
Hello heads,
I bought a DAT/DDS drive from Doug Mashek (www.mashek.com) and DAT2WAV
1.1
software from Jim McLaughlin (http://www.ncf.ca/~aa571/contact.htm).
Now I can transfer a recording from tape to hard disk at double-speed
without putting wear on my expensive DA-P1 or worrying about a stupid
sound card resampling the data. As a bonus, I can use the tape drive
in DDS mode to back up my hard disk.
If you're thinking of doing this, here are a few things to consider.
In order to install the DAT drive in your PC, you'll need a SCSI host
bus adapter card (e.g. Adaptec 29160N) unless your motherboard has
integrated SCSI. You'll need a SCSI cable with the right connectors.
SCSI cables are expensive, so I bought the HBA in a retail box,
including
cables, rather than as a bare "OEM" unit.
The form factor of the DAT drive is 3.5" wide, 1.6" tall (half-height).
If you want to mount it in a 5.25" bay, you'll need two mounting
brackets
(Seagate part MTGS) and a bezel (Seagate part B5W or B5B). Neither
Mr. Mashek nor Seagate had MTGS or B5W in stock when I bought the drive.
I ordered them from www.ichq.com.
The DAT drive gets hot. I'm building a new PC in a full-tower case with
ten bays and am going to leave an empty bay above and below the DAT
drive.
If you decide to order DAT2WAV software from Mr. McLaughlin, note that
the
fax number on his web page is incorrect: the area code has changed from
407 to 321.
The O'Reilly book "PC Hardware in a Nutshell" by Robert and Barbara
Thompson
gives lots of helpful info about working on PCs. Check out the
Thompsons'
web page at http://www.hardwareguys.com/
I hope this is helpful to someone.
Cheers,
Ted
From: "Jeff Frank" <jsfrank@mindspring.com>
Subject: Extra DATs for B&P
Reply-To: "Jeff Frank" <jsfrank@mindspring.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:57:18 -0600
Well I've been catching up some housecleaning and I have the following
extras:
GD 6/19/76 Fp:RM:D 90m Sony DG Missing NFA encore
GD 12/10/93 S:D 90m Masterdat 1 second dropout at 1:04:04
mark in Fire on the Mountain.
Mule 9/29/01 As:D 90m Sony DG AKG 483>AD1K>D8 (taped next to
SBD)
WP 5/7/97 S:D 90m Sony DG
SCI 4/21/91 A:D 90m Sony DG AKG 483>AD1K>D8
WP II 10/29/00 A:D 60m Sony DG AKG 483>AD1K>D8 (can spin set 1
too)
SKB I 4/28/01 Aos:D 60m Sony DG Schoeps MK21>V2>AD2K (can spin set
2 too)
Just looking for B&P, but willing to listen to CDR offers in return.
From: "Rick Mills" <rmills@earthlink.net>
Subject: Correct Semantics?
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:28:11 -0800
Group...
Since this is a public forum... I rant: I'm a regular lurker on this site -
would love to trade, have nothing of interest to offer & don't see shows
anyone here sees. B&P for a Modern Jazz Quartet show before Connie Kay
died? Any DeCamera Society shows?
Work wise, I'm a Production Sound Mixer - dialogue & effects - and we have
to label our tapes so the next person in the chain knows what's up. Things
get weird enough with out screwing up the notes & labels.
It's a few seconds more to record all the relevant info. - everybody's so
good with most of the signal path, why not get the whole thing correctly?
MK41>CMC6 vs. CMC64 (as on the order form) seems a bit semantic to me, but
the 6/41 thing is too much short hand to get the point across to everyone,
if that's what you want to do.
Ok, can't help it... I know I'll get flamed big for this but... Run nice
Schoeps/Neumann>DAT to record P.A.? I have to hear that P.A. I use 'em to
record whispering & rain drops. (ok, minor exaggeration)
An aside: What do you do about vibration and excess SPL & LF? Does anyone
use a Schoeps DZC 10/20 or a Cut One filter? Oktava? Anything MS out there?
BTW, my recent signal chain: Schoeps CMC64/Neumann 81i & or Sanken
CO11>Sennheiser SK50>3041U>Pre Sonus VXP>Cooper 106>Pre Sonus
ACP22>FostexPD4 & Deva II.
Rick
From: "Jamie Lutch" <reconstruction@thegrid.net>
Subject: DDS drives
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:34:33 -0800
> I'm picking up what I can trying to follow this thread.
> If someone
> could reccomend a good drie, where to buy it at a
> reasonable price,
ok, your options are:
1. find a drive on ebay for <$100 and tear your hair out trying to upgrade
it to read audio. eventually the drive will collect dust
2. buy a used audio capable seagate ctd-8000 from mashek for $200 or a new
one for $300 (these read audio at ~1.5X)
3. Find an SGI sony sdt-9000 for $300-$600, and hope it has the right
firmware (unlikely). new ones with the right firmware are close to $600.
This has a better head than the seagate apparently, and is a 4X drive, which
reads audio at about 3X.
and
> some windows, not command prompt but GUI or menu driven
> software that
> has worked well for them, I'd appreciate it.
dat2wav ($50) is command line, it didnt really work well for me with my sdt
9000. VDAT ($100) works great though, but it is quirky. once you learn the
tricks, it works well. decent interface. I think its less buggy with the
seagate drives, thats what it was developed for.
>Also, does
> doing this
> require a digital sound card?
no
> And, can I use this DAT
> drive as a player
> to play DAT's out on a digital line to DAT>DAT dub?
with VDAT, yes, but you shouldnt trade that way. You'd need to go through
wave mapper, who knows what happens to the signal there. Safer to go
dat>wav>dat in two steps.
>I
> use a Ego Sys U2A
> for my digital Audio card, and it's a USB external
> device, it has
> optical and coaxal out puts for digital. I have my
> doubts about it
> functioning the same as an internal card for DAT>WAV
> conversion or
> rips.
like with any card, you need to test it for bit accuracy (which 99.5% of the
people trading these days have never done!) Youd be surprised at how many
samples are dropped by incorrectly configured systems. (esp usb ones like
the U2A)
If you already have a U2A, why do you need a dds drive?
In any case if you go DDS drive, expect to extract twice and compare each
wav either via eac's wav compare or by inversion. Then fix flaws with a
pencil tool. DDS drives have *zero* error correction, so all of those flaws
your audio dat can interpolate become audible. I've ripped many a newer tape
that was bit for bit perfect, but I would come across older tapes that would
not extract cleanly, I had to go to the standard dat>soundcard route.
Anyway, byusing the DDS drive I got into the habit of transferring all of
the stuff twice and comparing it, now I do the same thing with two
completely independent
DAT>soundcard setups. Same deal, they cancel out completely via inversion
on a good tape, and give me a bunch of spots to check on tapes with errors.
(error correcting algoritms on different dat decks act differently, so I see
where there are 'errors', but the majority of the time the errors arent
audible like with the dds extraction. usually a pop from a dds drive is one
misplaced sample way off the waveform (you can truly see the extent of
deterioration of your tapes!), an audio dat would easily interpolate this.
I'm not gonna knockj dds drives, they do give you bit-for -bit perfect
extraction in most cases, but you need to invest the time to correct where
it throws samples off the waveform. not for everybody.
>
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