DAT-heads Digest #150, Volume #6 Tue, 18 Dec 01 02:50:01 EST Contents: Fostex D5's are back! ("Gary Davis") Latino/Mexican music. ("K.A. Long") SBM- and all. (Spyro Bouras) For Sale TCD-8 (Spyro Bouras) Zoltrix Problems (Drew Caruso) ISO: Natalie Merchant, recent recordings ("Marc Jacobson") my friend is looking to trade and cant post - reply to HIM (Bob Siegl) WARREN ZEVON GROVEL (john.clarke@saltlake2002.com) Just in case: Neil Diamond for trade 12.06.01 ("Ryan McDaniel") Stereo mic for sale... (Hugh Price) Sheryl Crow 'Unplugged' 12/14/01 performance ("Thomas Avallone") Sheryl Crow Cape Girardeau 2001 ("Thomas Avallone") 588 Rule (when editing files on a computer, intended for a CD-r) (SAlpert5@aol.com) sony 7 pin cable questions (William Draper) sharp rx-p1 or panasonic sv-255 (William Draper) ISO: Haynes X-mas Jam tix in Asheville this Fri ("Jacob Jordan") GD Unbroken Chain Show (Jonathan Lerman) Midiman/M-Audio DiO 2448 soundcard ("Marc Macauley") DESPERATE ISO: Phish 7.21.99 and 9.15.00 ("mrcool") Looking for Reba McIntyre on A&E's "Live by Request" (Nadyne Mielke) SBM-1 A to D quality vs other implementations (Mike Perkins) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary Davis" Subject: Fostex D5's are back! Reply-to: gdavis@loop.com Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 04:49:20 -0800 Just in from Japan, a very limited number of brand new Fostex D5 pro studio DAT machines! These aren't refurbs but brand new with full Fostex warantee. And the DAT Store price is still just $594. Don't wait till DAT machines are impossible to get; buy a spare today! The DAT Store (310) 828-6487 11am-5pm Mon-Fri Pacific Time or email: gdavis@loop.com for more info thank you, --Gary ------------------------------ From: "K.A. Long" Subject: Latino/Mexican music. Reply-to: klong@UBmail.ubalt.edu Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:10:21 -0500 I wanted jump in and recommend Ozomatli. They might be more 'rap' oriented than some of the groups mentioned before but not overly so and very positive. Great dance music. I believe they also allow taping so you might be able to trade for shows. I haven't had the good fortune to see them live. klong ------------------------------ From: Spyro Bouras Subject: SBM- and all. Reply-To: spyro@senet.com.au Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:47:53 +1030 Hi folks. , Well I have certainly been inundated with enquiries about the SBM-1. Details as follows; 3 units are expected to arrive mid-late Jan 2002. My local Sony centre will reserve them with a cash deposit only. Cables; 7 pins to toslink availible 7pin to miniplug/toslink availible. 7 pin to coax - not currently availible Please e-mail me for details. Spyro ------------------------------ From: Spyro Bouras Subject: For Sale TCD-8 Reply-To: spyro@senet.com.au Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:50:14 +1030 Sony TCD-8 for sale.. small hours..about 9 shows recorded with it. Perfect condition. Comes with RM3 DK remote kit for digital in/out and remote control function.Only thing missing is box for D-8,all other bits there. I have upgraded to D-100 so it needs to go. Spyro ------------------------------ From: Drew Caruso Subject: Zoltrix Problems Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:54:38 -0500 Hi all, I have been having some problems with my Zoltrix Nightingale pro 6 card. I was having a static problem to begin with, so I uninstalled the card then removed it re boot ant the inserted the card again and reinsaleed it. Thanks may have solved that problem. Before this though I was able to pass the siganl via spdif out back to a sony M1, but the deck wouldn't accept it due to "copy protection". Now I can't evenclick the enable spdif out to let it send the signal back out. Can anyone help? Drew ------------------------------ From: "Marc Jacobson" Subject: ISO: Natalie Merchant, recent recordings Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:35:44 -0500 Hi All, I'm trying to track down any good sounding recordings from Natalie's current tour. I have 5 or 6 shows from the '93-'95 era (solo Natalie and 10,000 Maniacs) to trade. They all sound very good. I have a bunch of other stuff (non-Natalie) to trade, as well. I'm always glad to put together a b&p. Thanks! Marc _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Bob Siegl Subject: my friend is looking to trade and cant post - reply to HIM Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:52:12 -0800 (PST) Hi there guys & gals....I am on the hunt for some new trading partners. Let me tell you a little bit about me. I've been actively trading off and on now for about 27 years....first on reels....then on cassettes.....then dats....and now cdr's. I do not have the ability to record shows live (I leave that up to my friends....and they do an excellent job). I do however trade with a few select group of individuals who have personal relationships with club owners & sound engineers. and my collection is a reflection of those contacts. Many of the entries on my list will be new to you. A good percentage of these never released shows started with me, or my inner circle off friends.....which brings me to what I am looking for. I am hopeful that I can find others out there who have the same type of contacts, and can trade superior quality soundboard recordings of many different artists & groups. My tastes are varied.....you will see that by looking at my list. I do not have a web site....all my shows are on an easy to understand xl spreadsheet. If you are interested in establishing a trading relationship based on the information I have just shared with you, I would really like to hear from you. If you have a web site or attachable list, and you have rare uncirculated shows, send it on over. Lets have some fun. My e-mail address is: Ralphspoilsport@aol.com Thanks, Mitchell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: john.clarke@saltlake2002.com Subject: WARREN ZEVON GROVEL Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:26:55 -0700 ISO: WARREN ZEVON Big grovel for some live Warren Zevon (CD or DAT). If anyone can help me out, please e-mail me. Much appreciated. Happy Holidays. John Clarke Jr. Senior Writer Tel: (801) 212-2395 Mobile: (435) 714-1459 ------------------------------ From: "Ryan McDaniel" Subject: Just in case: Neil Diamond for trade 12.06.01 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:59:36 -0800 Sean Dickson modified Sony MDR-24s > Sony TCD-D8 > a > Sound Forge > CDR Check this out for Xmas present to grandma or just to see what this little = rig pullled off at the Key Arena (Seattle's own aircraft hangar) rmd@deainc.com ------------------------------ From: Hugh Price Subject: Stereo mic for sale... Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:01:06 -0500 Akg C-522 ENG stereo cardioid mic with adjustable field width (+/- 45 degrees divided by 90) and vibration-free mount and windscreen. Case. Internal rechargeable battery. 625$ includes shipping. ------------------------------ From: "Thomas Avallone" Subject: Sheryl Crow 'Unplugged' 12/14/01 performance Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:08:41 +0000 I made the trip to Cape Girardeau, Missouri to attend the Sheryl Crow Unplugged benefit concert from this past Friday - and wound up with a SUPER recording. SSdsm/6L > MOD2 > D100 > SBLive Platnum > wav > cdr At this time, I am only looking for shows from the following artists that I don't have: * SHERYL CROW * PJ HARVEY * GARBAGE (2001 European shows) * U2 (selected 3rd leg Elevation shows ONLY) Here is the setlist from the performance: A Change (Would Do You Good) My Favorite Mistake Leaving Las Vegas If It Makes You Happy The Weather Channel Riverwide Can't Cry Anymore Strong Enough Hard Rain ( By Bob Dylan ) Abilene Hard To Make A Stand (snippet) Mississippi All I Wanna Do Everyday Is A Winding Road encore: Here Comes The Sun I Want You To Want Me This is a 2 cdr, 85 minute performance. AND of course: I will accept DAT recordings for trade, but I can only supply you with CDR...sorry. Tom "I've heard there's joy untold Lays open like a road In front of me" ~ PJ Harvey http://www.tav2367.20m.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Thomas Avallone" Subject: Sheryl Crow Cape Girardeau 2001 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:17:26 +0000 Sorry for the 2nd posting, but I will also accept any CHRIS CORNELL recordings I need as well.....ESPECIALLY the show in PORTLAND from 2000. Tom http://www.tav2367.20m.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ From: SAlpert5@aol.com Subject: 588 Rule (when editing files on a computer, intended for a CD-r) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:34:22 EST To answer question in Dat Heads 146 from Marc Pfisterer: Because CD Audio discs are laid out as "sectors" that are each 1/75 of a second (75 sectors per second), a sector must be complete before the next one begins. And track changes only happen on a sector change. If you do the math, at 44,100 samples per second for "CD Audio", and divide that by 75 (sectors per second), the result is 588 samples (per sector). If you use Sound Forge and click on the "options" drop-down menu, and click on "status format", select "samples" instead of time. This will give you a readout in the bottom right of your audio file edit window in samples, which you can divide by 588 with a calculator to confirm that you are conforming to the "588 rule" as I like to call it. If I am editing a large piece down, I use the "markers" function to enter the beginning and end of a track that I want to become a wave file. You can easily place a marker by pressing the "M" key on the keyboard while the track is playing. Afterwards, I double-click on the area between the markers for each "track" to determine the duration of that marked track, in samples. I then divide by 588 (with a calculator), and move the marker at the end of the marked section by the appropriate number of samples (to the left, or earlier) as indicated by the division remainder. To do this, you can do a right-click on the marker, and select "edit" and edit the location number (and description) to the new location (subtracting the necessary amount - the previous remainder - from the location). If you work in a forward order, you will make it through your entire piece with no ripple problems. Then when you are completed with a "track", simply double click (to highlight) the marked section, and drag it to the desktop of Sound Forge, and a new file will be created that is solely the length of the conforming wav file. Save that as the track you need. Then continue forward. Always only move the "out" marker of a track if you are operating in the forward direction. The "in" has been determined by your previous "out" of the preceeding track. An alternative to this laborious process is a freeware program called "CDwav.exe" which automatically breaks down files to sector-legal values. In practice, you have to fix the results a little in terms of re-connecting files that overly broke apart, but at least each segment is "588-legal" so no calculator or math is required. This program is probably still available on the web, if you do a search for it on a search engine. Have fun! --part1_10e.95f184c.294f90cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To answer question in Dat Heads 146 from Marc Pfisterer: Because CD Audio discs are laid out as "sectors" that are each 1/75 of a second (75 sectors per second), a sector must be complete before the next one begins. And track changes only happen on a sector change. If you do the math, at 44,100 samples per second for "CD Audio", and divide that by 75 (sectors per second), the result is 588 samples (per sector). If you use Sound Forge and click on the "options" drop-down menu, and click on "status format", select "samples" instead of time. This will give you a readout in the bottom right of your audio file edit window in samples, which you can divide by 588 with a calculator to confirm that you are conforming to the "588 rule" as I like to call it. If I am editing a large piece down, I use the "markers" function to enter the beginning and end of a track that I want to become a wave file. You can easily place a marker by pressing the "M" key on the keyboard while the track is playing. Afterwards, I double-click on the area between the markers for each "track" to determine the duration of that marked track, in samples. I then divide by 588 (with a calculator), and move the marker at the end of the marked section by the appropriate number of samples (to the left, or earlier) as indicated by the division remainder. To do this, you can do a right-click on the marker, and select "edit" and edit the location number (and description) to the new location (subtracting the necessary amount - the previous remainder - from the location). If you work in a forward order, you will make it through your entire piece with no ripple problems. Then when you are completed with a "track", simply double click (to highlight) the marked section, and drag it to the desktop of Sound Forge, and a new file will be created that is solely the length of the conforming wav file. Save that as the track you need. Then continue forward. Always only move the "out" marker of a track if you are operating in the forward direction. The "in" has been determined by your previous "out" of the preceeding track. An alternative to this laborious process is a freeware program called "CDwav.exe" which automatically breaks down files to sector-legal values. In practice, you have to fix the results a little in terms of re-connecting files that overly broke apart, but at least each segment is "588-legal" so no calculator or math is required. This program is probably still available on the web, if you do a search for it on a search engine. Have fun! ------------------------------ From: William Draper Subject: sony 7 pin cable questions Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:57:24 -0500 am getting ready to join the crowd and get a sony portable dat. i am going to use a dencke ad-20/zefiro inbox to send the signal. i have a few questions. some one told me the d7 cannot record at 44.1, is that correct? also, what is the difference bewteen an active and passive 7-pin adapter? which would i need to get the signal from the ad-20? thanks. wed ------------------------------ From: William Draper Subject: sharp rx-p1 or panasonic sv-255 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:34:30 -0500 is anyone familiar with these portable dats? if so, could you drop me a line? wed ------------------------------ From: "Jacob Jordan" Subject: ISO: Haynes X-mas Jam tix in Asheville this Fri Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:37:42 -0500 ssia BWT: SCI 11-8-01 B&P (Cd or dat) Sorry for the cross post, thanks for the spa e, Jacob _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: BabyPrite@webtv.net (Jonathan Lerman) Subject: GD Unbroken Chain Show Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:16:38 -0500 (EST) Seeking an un-cut, great quality, complete show DSBD of any Dead show during which Unbroken Chain was played, except for their last show. Some nice shows to swap, or B+P. Thanks, Jon ------------------------------ From: "Marc Macauley" Subject: Midiman/M-Audio DiO 2448 soundcard Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:38:25 -0800 Hey all, Thanks to everyone who replied to my last post. As far as a digital transfer from my Sony PCM-M1 to my computer, I found the Midiman/M-Audio DiO 2448 soundcard, with coaxial and optical S/PDIF inputs & outputs, retail $150, $100 at Zzounds.com. Has anyone had any experience with this card, and/or have any suggestions, recommendations, etc.? It seems to me I could buy this for $100, but then I would still need a cable to connect the PCM-M1 (7-pin) to the S/PDIF. I was under the impression I could buy a $25 cable from Oade that would connect from the 7-pin to an optical S/PDIF, but I suspect I was mistaken about this, because I can't find anything like that now. If I want digital output from the PCM-M1, and I don't want to risk damaging the machine with the Core Sounds 7-pin cables, is there any (cheaper) alternative to the $75 Sony cables (POC-DA12 series)? If not, I'm still not clear as to which cable is which. I've got the diagrams in my PCM-M1 operating instructions booklet (p.54), but I guess this is what I don't understand: What is the difference between "optical (digital) line input/output" and "optical input/output"? Are the S/PDIF jacks in the DiO 2448 of the latter variety? If so, it seems it would interface with the POC-DA12P and POC-DA12MP cables - is this correct? Thanks, Marc ------------------------------ From: "mrcool" Subject: DESPERATE ISO: Phish 7.21.99 and 9.15.00 Reply-to: mrcool@fast.net Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:55:57 -0500 I'm desperately looking for these two shows! I've never seen them circulate long enough for me to get and I was at both... the 1999 show was one of the best I've ever been to! I'm actively seeking all of the following and will reward those who can help me =) : Phish 7.21.99 (hopefully schoeps FOB) 12.10.99 (u89) 12.11.99 (u89) 9.15.00 (B+K 4022 FOB) Soulive 4.20.01 (any source!) Please help, if you can! List can be found at www.jordanshapiro.net. Thank you DAT-Heads and happy holidays! Jordan | Jordan Shapiro | e: mrcool@fast.net | i:21338006 | | We are only healthy to the extent that our ideas are umane. - Vonnegut | ------------------------------ From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Looking for Reba McIntyre on A&E's "Live by Request" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:44:59 -0800 I'm looking for a copy, either CD-R or video, of Reba McIntyre's performance on A&E's "Live by Request". I don't have any Reba to trade (this is a gift for my mom), but will be happy to trade anything else from my list (mostly Tori Amos, Cowboy Junkies, and a few others), or do a B&P. You can check out my list at: http://www.mindspring.com/~mielke/Nadyne/ Thanks, y'all. :) /nm BWT: I'll do a B&P of any CD-R show on my list for the first five people to contact me. :) ------------------------------ From: Mike Perkins Subject: SBM-1 A to D quality vs other implementations Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:45:13 -0800 Dear Dat-Heads: Recent contributions to the list have touched upon the SBM-1 A to D module, and clearly there are those among us who are using the little critter as a front end to their actual DAT recorder. I note that my Sony D8 literature sings the praises of this add-on front end for the D8, perhaps somebody could tell us what PERCEIVED and ACTUAL audio quality improvement results from this equipment configuration - and is it worth the significant handful of Ben Franklin souvenir engravings that are entailed in its purchase. Further of interest, what specifically are the modifications that certain illustrious third parties are making to this revered Sony device. Closely related to my inquisitive position is a question regarding the equipment configuration I have been using to dub my favorite LPs onto CD. For this purpose I feed the audio line outputs of my Onkyo tuner/amplifier which serves as the pre-amp for my turntable into the analog inputs of my Fostex D5 which in turn has its TOS link S/PDIF output fed into the TOS link S/PDIF input of my computer resident DIO 2496. With the D5 in "Record" or "Record Pause" its analog input signals are relayed as optical S/PDIF data to the computer where Wave Lab or Sound Stream takes care of creating .WAV files for the CD burning. I am aware that I would not be smart to hold the D5 in record stand-by for extended periods on account of excessive head wear this causes, so I just let the D5 copy whatever input I give it onto a "sacrificial" DAT tape. Although I am largely satisfied with the results thus obtained, I am curious as to the fidelity of the D5's A to D and whether it is comparable to that of the apparently highly regarded SBM-1, or is it in fact no better than that of the Sony D8. Undoubtedly the technical cognoscente among us will have some opinions on this, may I ask them to speak their minds on this provocative subject. Mike(y) ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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