DAT-heads Digest #151
Contents:
wish to trade pharoah sanders u.s. club shows (LPOGOST@aol.com)
Need: Beatles Get Back Journals II Disc 6 ("Tony Guagliardo")
ISO:Pearl Jam DAT>CDr Bridge Benifit 10/01 (Wavy Davy D)
Levon Helm & the Barn Burners Phila. 1-5-02
John Monney & Bluesianna 2-13-02, Fitzgeralds
DDS drives with audio capability ("Marco Santini")
FS: Sony D8 - Low Hrs, Pro Digital Clean bill of Health (rossother1@cs.com)
Re: DDS drives with audio capability ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.")
Re: SBM-1 A to D quality vs other implementations (Mark Mayhle)
Eric Clapton and Bjork Japan tour ("hiroyuki tanaka")
FS: DAT recorder (William Draper)
re: SBM-1 A/D quality vs others [long] (krichard@som.umass.edu)
FS: DA-P1 w/Eco-Charge & Portabrace (Graham Munda)
Re: SBM-1 A to D quality vs other implementations ("Patrick J. Volkerding")
do CDR Standalones properly handle Sector boundaries? (krichard@som.umass.edu)
From: LPOGOST@aol.com
Subject: wish to trade pharoah sanders u.s. club shows
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:43:36 EST
i have some, am looking for more.
mostly looking for 1990's shows from yoshi's, knitting factory, village vanguard, and other u.s. clubs.
also the 1999 european tour.
contact lpogost@aol.com for trade list.
From: "Tony Guagliardo" <guagliardo@un.org>
Subject: Need: Beatles Get Back Journals II Disc 6
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:42:58 -0500
Hi, can anybody help? My copy of Vigotone's Get Back Journals 2, Disc 6
has eroded. Cheap cd's apparently. Does anybody have a copy of this
disc that they'd be willing to spin a copy of? I'm happy to send blanks +
postage or trade. Please email me if you have.
Thanks
Tony
From: Wavy Davy D <digitaldimar@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO:Pearl Jam DAT>CDr Bridge Benifit 10/01
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 06:52:16 -0800 (PST)
whos got this so I can give it to a guy I work
with....please! I have a Huge Luist of DAT&PCMs
for trade for this including some PJ!!
Thanks
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From: <stuart@startnet.com>
Subject: Levon Helm & the Barn Burners Phila. 1-5-02
Reply-To: <stuart@startnet.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:47:57 -0500
I'm looking for anyone who may be interested in Levon Helm & the Barn Burners. The band is a really hot blues band & I am looking for someone to tape the show. It would have to be a stealth recording, as some of the band members are cool with recording & some are NOT! I can tell you that they are not looking for tapers, so it really will not be a problem. They are playing at the "NORTH STAR" in Phila. on 1-5-02. If anyone can do this, I have plenty of shows available to make it worth your while. Please e-mail me at my home address : livetaper@hotmail.com
PEACE & BLESSINGS
stuart
From: <stuart@startnet.com>
Subject: John Monney & Bluesianna 2-13-02, Fitzgeralds
Reply-To: <stuart@startnet.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:01:43 -0500
I am looking for someone willing to tape John Mooney & Bluesianna on 2-13-02 at Fitzgeralds in Chicago. I can get you put on the guest list in return for a DAT copy of the show for the band.
If you are interested, please e-mail me at livetaper@hotmail.com
PEACE & BLESSINGS,
Stuart
From: "Marco Santini" <marcosantini@tin.it>
Subject: DDS drives with audio capability
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:20:07 +0100
Hello !
I know this is an already discussed matter but I need an additional info :
is available somewhere a complete list of all DDS drives with audio
extraction capabilities ? I'm looking for a sort of table where is shown
brand/model, firmware version (the one good for the purpose, of course), any
additional info, etc...
Thanks in advance and happy taping to everybody !
Marco Santini
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visit the A.I.F. - Associazione Italiana Fonoamatori website at
www.fonoamatori.it
From: rossother1@cs.com
Subject: FS: Sony D8 - Low Hrs, Pro Digital Clean bill of Health
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:30:43 -0500
Hi All!!
I am looking to sell my Sony TCD D8 to a good home. It has aprox 50hrs
of record time on the heads and < 10hrs of play time. I just sent it
off to Pro Digital and it got a clean bill of health which I will send
along with the deck. Here is a list of services that were preformed:
Clean, lube, align heads
Cleaned transports, guids, rollers
Alighed tape path
Sealed Lock Screws
Tightned all screws
Total on this service was $126.41. I am asking $420.00 OBO. I pay shipping. Or if you live in the Denver/Boulder area I can deliver. Please e-mail me off the list. Thanks!
-Ross McClenahan
From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Re: DDS drives with audio capability
Reply-To: <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:51:09 -0600 (CST)
On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Marco Santini wrote:
> Hello !
>
> I know this is an already discussed matter but I need an additional info :
> is available somewhere a complete list of all DDS drives with audio
> extraction capabilities ? I'm looking for a sort of table where is shown
> brand/model, firmware version (the one good for the purpose, of course), any
> additional info, etc...
>
> Thanks in advance and happy taping to everybody !
>
> Marco Santini
See:
http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~aa571/datfaq.htm
--
Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.
wayne@hoxnet.com
http://www.hoxnet.com
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From: Mark Mayhle <mark@mayhle.com>
Subject: Re: SBM-1 A to D quality vs other implementations
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:16:02 -0600 (CST)
On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Mike Perkins wrote:
> With the D5 in "Record" or "Record Pause" its analog input signals are
> relayed as optical S/PDIF data to the computer where Wave Lab or Sound
> Stream takes care of creating .WAV files for the CD burning.
>
> I am aware that I would not be smart to hold the D5 in record stand-by for
> extended periods on account of excessive head wear this causes, so I just
> let the D5 copy whatever input I give it onto a "sacrificial" DAT tape.
If you put it in "Rec" with no tape in the unit it will do A-D conversion
with no head wear at all.
--
Mark Mayhle
mark@mayhle.com
From: "hiroyuki tanaka" <h-tanaka@yc4.so-net.ne.jp>
Subject: Eric Clapton and Bjork Japan tour
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 01:49:09 +0900
Hello, DAT-heads
I taped 5 shows of Eric Clapton Japan tour 2001.
11/24/01 Aichiken Taiikukan, Aicti, Japan 120m EX master D100+DSM6S
11/29/01 Budokan, Tokyo, Japan 123m EX master D100+DSM6S
12/03/01 Budokan, Tokyo, Japan 121m EX master D100+DSM6S
12/10/01 Budokan, Tokyo, Japan 124m EX master D100+DSM6S
12/15/01 Yokohama Arena, Kanagawa, Japan 130m EX master D100+DSM-6S
final show reptile tour
Also I made a nice tapes of Bjork Japan tour (12/3/01 at Tokyo).
I would like to trade my tape for another shows, even from other artists;
Eric Clapton
U2, King Crimson, Oasis(especially 10th Anniversary UK tour), Paul
Weeler(especially resent RAH gig) so on.
I trade on dat only.
Send me your lists for a quick trade.
Thanks Hiro
From: William Draper <wdraper@expressionanalysis.com>
Subject: FS: DAT recorder
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:24:09 -0500
this dat has made some good tapes for me, but i have to scrape some money
together for christmas. so, i've put it on ebay.
"This auction is for a Aiwa HD-X1 DAT recorder and it accompanying HDA-1
analog-to-digital converter; both in excellent condition. I have been using
it to record live music, and it has worked perfectly. Included are: digital
i/o cord, manuals, 2 batteries and their chargers, wall power unit, car
power unit, and a car mount. you can see a picture at:
http://www.310furches.com/billpage/hdx1.jpg "
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1310613230
wed
From: krichard@som.umass.edu
Subject: re: SBM-1 A/D quality vs others [long]
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:00:34 -0500 (EST)
[NB: Sonic hard-line Objectivists can scroll past this post. Inconclusive,
unsubstantiated drivel is woven throughout.]
Mike Perkins <mperkins@telus.net> said:
>my Sony D8 literature sings the praises of this add-on front end for the D8,
perhaps somebody
could tell us what PERCEIVED and ACTUAL audio quality improvement results
from this equipment configuration - and is it worth the significant [$$$]
To my ears, the SBM-1 is a dramatic improvement over the D7/D8 A/D. The SBM-1
gives a richer sound which is, at the same time, more detailed, transparent and
clear. Although the D100/M1 built-in A/D is better than the D7/8, there is
*still* an increase in audible transparency and warmth with the SBM-1. The
initial impression of the D7/8 is that they have quite a bit of transparency,
but upon extended listening there is a mid-treble harshness and rough quality
that is not so appealing. The D100/M1, on their own, thankfully have a much
smoother quality that is easy on the ears, but it is a that's a little 'closed-
in'.
All of these people posting that "the D100/M1 have the same circuitry as the
SBM-1" are completely mistaken. IIRC, the Sony operating manual for my late-
model SBM-1 (late 2000) mentions the D100 as a compatible device. The
confusion results because the D100/M1 has a 20-bit A/D, which is internally
dithered to 16-bit but *without using noise shaping*. The D7/D8 has a 16-bit
A/D.
>a question regarding the equipment configuration I have been using to dub my
favorite LPs onto CD. For this purpose I feed the audio line outputs of my
Onkyo tuner/amplifier
which serves as the pre-amp for my turntable into the analog inputs of my
Fostex D5 which in turn has its TOS link S/PDIF output fed into the TOS
link S/PDIF input of my computer resident DIO 2496.
>With the D5 in "Record" or "Record Pause" its analog input
signals are relayed as optical S/PDIF data to the computer where Wave Lab or
Sound Stream takes care of creating .WAV files for the CD burning. I just let
the D5 copy whatever input I give it onto a "sacrificial" DAT tape.
I would think that this is going to create a lot of wear on your deck. You
mean, the D5 does not have a A/D passthrough mode keeping the electronics
running but the mechanism idle?
>Although I am largely satisfied with the results thus obtained, I am
curious as to the fidelity of the D5's A to D and whether it is comparable
to that of the apparently highly regarded SBM-1, or is it in fact no better
than that of the Sony D8.
If it were me, I would avoid the D5's A/D converter. I have never been all
that pleased with recordings made through it. I've A/Bd it against other good
converters in the field, splitting an analog feed to it and other decks. To my
ears, the D5 has a strangely unmusical quality that is both somewhat harsh,
while simultaneously lacking fine detail. My recollection is a little fuzzy
here, but I believe that this deck, when switched to "unbalanced in' via its
XLR analog inputs, still unnecessarily routes the signal throught the balanced-
to-unbalanced input converter, that the switch simply lowers the gain of this
stage. I'm certain that I would dramatically prefer the SBM-1 A/D in this
case.
Your only problem may be interfacing the SBM-1's digital output to the D5's
digital inputs, since the D5 has only Toslink in, and not coax. Your best bet
might be a Sony adaptor which directly adapts the 7-pin output to coax out.
Alternatively, you can use the standard kind of adaptors which go from Sony 7-
pin to SPDIF coax. Then, you build an adaptor which goes from RCA to the XLR
AES/EBU port. ('hot' of the RCA goes to XLR pin 2, RCA 'ground' to pins 3 and
1.) This will make the connection but you might find the D5 does not recognize
the lower-than-normal SPDIF signal level of the SBM-1. In this case, routing
the signal through a MidiMan CO-2 would solve the problem. So would a Midiman
CO3, which has an AES/EBU output available directly.
>of my computer resident DIO 2496.
This is another option for you to use, going directly from your Onkyo preamp's
tape output to the unbalanced analog-in of the MidiMan 2496 card. If you have
software that can work at 88.2k and/or 24-bit resolution, and your computer
hardware is up to the task, you might find that recording high-resolution WAV
files directly from your LP's to be a good move. Although I haven't really
critically listened to the 2496's A/D section, I was pretty impressed with it's
D/A when playing back 24-bit files on a recent project...Your ears must be the
judge, of course.
[Whatever you do, it is my opinion that if you quantize at 16-bit/44.1k, you
want to try to avoid doing *anything* to the digital data subsequently. One
valid scenario is to use a noise-shaped A/D (like the SBM-1, or a Apogee or
AD2K+ etc) at 44.1k, then use a good, bit-accurate CDR standalone to copy the
exact data right to CD. And be done with it. Otherwise, you need to start out
quantizing at a higher-than CD bit-depth, so that you can have "headroom" above
your final delivery media, and that all 16-bits on CD can be as accurate as
they possibly can be.]
Using your Midiman Audiophile 2496, and recording these high-resolution
intermedia files, you can (very carefully) equalize, if necessary, and perhaps
use a bit of high quality multi-band limiting (like Waves L1) to ultimately get
a higher signal level on CD (thus accurately preserving more of that LP
resolution--this assuming that the LP in question never went through a 16-bit
conversion). After processing in the software of your choice, resample to
44.1k/24bit, then noise-shape to 44.1k/16 and burn your CDs. Or, you could get
a DVD-R burner and archive your intermediate high-res data files to DVD, so you
don't have to repeat this process all over again in five years. I think by
then many of us will look back on the CD and DAT as useful, but limited, tools
of the past.
That's my $0.02.
cheers,
Keith
From: Graham Munda <dueling@magpage.com>
Subject: FS: DA-P1 w/Eco-Charge & Portabrace
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:03:27 -0500
For Sale:
Tascam DA-P1
Purchased new from Sonic Sense for $1,325 on 11/3/98
(Has been used mostly as a playback deck for cloning and to master about 30
or so shows. Haven't done much cloning in the last year or so, so the
hours on the heads are pretty low. The deck hasn't gotten much use at all
over the last year.. that's why it's being sold. Has only been serviced
for head cleaning and alignment by Pro-Digital.)
Eco-Charge Beta Battery System
Purchased new from Sonic Sense for $250 on 7/27/98
This is the two battery system with charger. Each battery runs the DA-P1
for around 5 hours.
Portabrace AR-DA-P1
Purchased new from Eco-Charge for $190 in Sept. 1999
I have the receipts and manuals for everything except the
Portabrace. Everything is in mint condition and I have never had a problem
with any of this equipment. All offers will be considered, but I am not in
any rush to get rid of this stuff for less than it is worth. I'd also be
willing to do some sort of a trade+cash to downgrade to a Sony D8 if anyone
is looking to upgrade from the D8 to the DA-P1.
I have Jpeg pictures of the package/deck if you would like to see them.
Graham
From: "Patrick J. Volkerding" <spamme@slackware.com>
Subject: Re: SBM-1 A to D quality vs other implementations
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:25:49 -0800 (PST)
> Mike Perkins <mperkins@telus.net> writes:
> I am aware that I would not be smart to hold the D5 in record stand-by
> for extended periods on account of excessive head wear this causes, so
> I just let the D5 copy whatever input I give it onto a "sacrificial"
> DAT tape.
Actually, if the D5 is anything like the Tascam DA-20 (and I'm led to
believe the internal electronics are similar), after about five minutes in
record-pause the head will quit spinning, but the signal will continue to
flow. You'll see the play button LED go out when this happens, but the
record button LED will stay lit. I use mine like this a lot and think
it's less head wear than running a scratch tape. It might wear out that
segment of the tape you're paused on, though. :)
Take care,
Pat
From: krichard@som.umass.edu
Subject: do CDR Standalones properly handle Sector boundaries?
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:42:53 -0500 (EST)
Here is a question I've had rolling around in my mind for a while but have not
yet bothered to investigate myself.
Do stand-alone burners produce CDs that are Red-Book compatible with regard to
sector boundaries and the 588 rule? Once the machines sense a ID marker
arriving via S/PDIF, or feel the user press the "track-advance" button, do they
wait to change a track until it is on a boundary? (I'm specifically wondering
abut the HHb series: CDR800, 830BurnIt, CDR850)
Alternatively, and if they do not, is there a way to to make a computer
duplicating program to be "non-Red Book compliant" on this issue?
i.e., 'perfectly duplicate the following disc, and don't worry that it's not
red-book standard--just don't pad out any tracks with extra space)'?
I just recently installed a DAW system and have never concerned myself with
this before. During my last two professional projects, the mastering house
took care of these matters and I didn't pay enough attention to that detail
while sitting there.
Keith
>From: SAlpert5@aol.com
>Subject: 588 Rule (when editing files on a computer, intended for a CD-r)
>Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:34:22 EST
>To answer question in Dat Heads 146 from Marc Pfisterer:
>Because CD Audio discs are laid out as "sectors" that are each 1/75 of
>a second (75 sectors per second), a sector must be complete before the next
>one begins. And track changes only happen on a sector change.
>If you do the math, at 44,100 samples per second for "CD Audio", and
>divide that by 75 (sectors per second), the result is 588 samples (per
sector).
SAlpert5@aol.com
Subject: 588 Rule (when editing files on a computer, intended for a CD-r)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:34:22 EST
To answer question in Dat Heads 146 from Marc Pfisterer:
Because CD Audio discs are laid out as "sectors" that are each 1/75 of
a
second (75 sectors per second), a sector must be complete before the next one
begins. And track changes only happen on a sector change.
If you do the math, at 44,100 samples per second for "CD Audio", and
divide
that by 75 (sectors per second), the result is 588 samples (per sector).
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