DAT-heads Digest #169
Contents:
Re: ISO taper for bela fleck and edgar meyer show on 2/11/02 Minn, MN (Jeff Lester)
GYBE! taping policy? (Paulo Vieira)
RE: Manuals for Dat Decks ("Chet Ciechanowski")
Re: Strange Circumstances (Len Moskowitz)
Please help! (michael ryan)
FS: Used Sony DCT-D8 **great condition** ("Alex Castner")
New M1 owner ("Matt")
ISO Rex Benefit 12-01-01 (Jonathan Seff)
Howard Wales/Jerry 1-26-72 wanted ("paul gluchanicz")
More Dixie Dregs (looking for tapers!) ("C. Chambers")
advice for splicing 2 audio sources ("Steve Mew")
Stupid DAT (OK, CD-R/RW!) Questions... (Kevin Brown)
Re: Stupid DAT (OK, CD-R/RW!) Questions... (Seth Breidbart)
Anybody taping these? ("Rich Gomes")
dat->pc (jopeter1)
NYE Phil Lesh Quintet & others: FOB clones for Charity ("Bob Silver")
battery charging question ("Kevin Hatton")
tapers in Columbus, OH (BFOB@aol.com)
From: Jeff Lester <lester@gandalf.sp.trw.com>
Subject: Re: ISO taper for bela fleck and edgar meyer show on 2/11/02 Minn, MN
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:12:10 -0800 (PST)
adam meyer <awmeyer_timmy@yahoo.com> asked:
>Im looking for anyone who may be taping the Bela Fleck
>and Edgar Meyer show In Minneapolis Minnesota on
>2/11/02 . Contact me if you are taping this show. Im
>in search of a patch, or just a kind person that will
>hook me up with a copy for some blank dats. let me
>know. thanks!
I've heard (over on Yahoo groups lists) that taping is not being
allowed for the Bela/Edgar tour.
-Jeff Lester
From: Paulo Vieira <mezzanine@softhome.net>
Subject: GYBE! taping policy?
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 19:15:51 +0000
Hello DATHeads! Does anyone know the Godspeed You Black Emperor! taping
policy? Do they allow board patches? Any links to related GYBE!
mailing-lists where I can ask these questions would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks.
-Paulo
From: "Chet Ciechanowski" <chet.ciechanowski@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Manuals for Dat Decks
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:25:53 -0800
Jacob,
Regarding your Sony DTC-59ES:
The logic in the deck apparently was not set up to deal with rewinding tapes
longer than 2 hours in length. As you probably already know, Sony doesn't
recommend using DDS tapes in their audio decks, although I've been doing it
with no problems so far other than the rewind anomaly. I'm afraid this is
just something you have to live with since the logic for controlling the
rewind speed in built in to the deck's firmware.
I don't know about your START ID problem as I haven't tried copying from the
optical port. I just got my deck recently, too, and haven't completely
exercised it yet.
You can order a manual for the 59ES directly from Sony, as I did, by calling
them at 1-800-488-7669. The part number is 375561221 and the cost is $5.00
plus $2.50 shipping. Not unreasonable. They might also have a service
manual but I didn't ask since I already had a copy. I could make you a copy
of mine if Sony can't supply one, but it's a minor hassle since there are a
number of fold-out schematics that have to be dealt with.
Regards,
Chet
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From: "Jacob Alifrangis" <jacob@braindonors.net>
Subject: Manuals for Dat Decks
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:15:12 -0800
Hey people I have a bit of a question.
About two years ago I bought a sony DTC-59ES Dat deck for 50 bucks at a
pawn shop
there are two quircks in the unit that are not like wear and tear
things:
1. It doesn't seem to listen to trackmarks (start-id) from the Optical
port.
2. if using a 120M DDS It won't rewind the tape at full speed until it
gets to abs 01:59:59
I use a DDS drive to rewind all my tapes anyway so no biggie here, but
still, a small annoyance.
Also, does anyone on the list have a collection of the user/service
manuals like those found on minidisc.org?
If not, let's start one.
I need the DTC-59ES manual first though :)
Can you please help with these annoying quirks!
If you have a paper manual that you are willing to sell or give me so I
can copy (or send xeroxes) I will make it worth your while.
thanks.
From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Strange Circumstances
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:34:21 -0500 (EST)
Mark Wamsley <markwamsley@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I've had a strange problem since 1997 with my Sony
> D-7, where I have recorded a show, then when playing
> it back after recording, there is only silence.
This was probably the main reason Sony fixed the problem and then
changed the model number to TCD-D8; the -D7 had transport problems
exactly as you noted. It doesn't erase the tape -- it simply never
records while all indications are that it is.
Len Moskowitz Binaural StealthMics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio
Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com
moskowit@core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
From: michael ryan <luv2brew@yahoo.com>
Subject: Please help!
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:10:52 -0800 (PST)
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From: "Alex Castner" <alex_castner@yahoo.com>
Subject: FS: Used Sony DCT-D8 **great condition**
Reply-To: "Alex Castner" <alex_castner@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:18:32 -0500
Time to retire from DATs for a while...
Low hours and lots of goodies when you buy this DAT. Check out ebay and
bid online for item number 1404251343.
or buy it now for $400.00 + S&H. If you pick it up in the Philly, PA
theres no shipping adn handling fee.
Best,
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From: "Matt" <matt@mattb.net>
Subject: New M1 owner
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:41:23 -0700
I just bought a used M1 to upgrade myself from MD to DAT (had a home
deck, but all field recording was done via MD). I'm also new to posting
here, but I've been lurking on and off for quite a while, so hello
everyone. I'm curious if there is a good primer site for new M1 owners
with tips specific to this deck. My current mic setup is a pair of Sound
Pro AT slim mini cardioids (AT 933 elements) and a Sound Pro battery
box. A lot of what I record needs to be done stealth, so I got those
because I like the sound, and the price was right (and they're great
with MD). They also seem to perform well (to my ears) on a stand in
non-stealth situations. Do any of you happen to have this combination?
Is my best bet still to go line in from the battery box (as I have been
with MD), or does the preamp in the M1 suck a lot less than Sony MD
preamps (which are terrible with brickwalling all the time)?
Also, what's the preferred battery system for M1 users out there?
EcoCharge? Lots of AAs? Just an extra set of the rechargeables like the
ones it comes with? I guess ideally, I'd like something like the
EcoCharge, but I just spent all my cash for a little while. I've also
heard of those CD batteries that have the same footprint as a little CD
Walkman being used for DAT. How do those do?
Any answers, links, of suggestions would be appreciated!
Matt
From: Jonathan Seff <jon@seff.net>
Subject: ISO Rex Benefit 12-01-01
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:00:25 -0800
If anyone has a copy, please let me know.
Thanks,
Jon
From: "paul gluchanicz" <paulphish@hotmail.com>
Subject: Howard Wales/Jerry 1-26-72 wanted
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 22:28:14
copy of the 1-26-72 howard/jerry show wanted, please contact me if you have.
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From: "C. Chambers" <craig.chambers@mindspring.com>
Subject: More Dixie Dregs (looking for tapers!)
Reply-To: <craig.chambers@mindspring.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:27:38 -0500
Looking for tapers of the last leg of the Dixie Dregs tour...here are the
dates:
11 Jan 2002 House of Blues New Orleans, LA
12 Jan 2002 Deep Ellum Live Dallas, TX
14 Jan 2002 Bash on Ash Tempe, AZ
15 Jan 2002 Slim's San Francisco, CA Scott DuBose
16 Jan 2002 Icon Supperclub Palo Alto, CA
17 Jan 2002 Ventura Theater Ventura, CA
18 Jan 2002 The Coach House San Juan Capistrano, CA
19 Jan 2002 House of Blues Los Angeles, CA
20 Jan 2002 Catamaran Resort Hotel San Diego, CA
Of EXTRA special interest is the show on the 18th at the Coach House...where
the Dregs will have the group FWAP opening up for them. FWAP is 2/3rds of
ZAZEN who are an excellent instrumental band featuring Andy West (yes, the
former Dregs bassist) and Joaquin Lievano, the virtuoso electric guitarist
that has played with Jean-Luc Ponty, as well as a who's who of
jazz/fusion/prog artists.
For more info on FWAP see:
http://www.fwap.info/index.html
Here is a description which sounds highly interesting-
"fwap was formed by Andy West and Joaquin Lievano to create a new vehicle
for music they had in mind that was in some ways the opposite of the highly
orchestrated and complex song forms they have used in Zazen. At the same
time it is similar in aim, seeking a sense of adventure, imagination, and
beauty in the songs. fwap is creating music on the fly with minimal
orchestration, yet it employs familiar song structures, counterpoint, and
repetitive patterns that build on each other, all the while retaining a
sense of musical cohesion."
Sounds good to me...someone please tape it and please let me know. Hell, I
will even pay for your tickets and your DAT...plus, you get a Dregs show to
boot!
Also, still looking for some from the previous leg, especially post George
dates, where Steve Morse played some Beatles/Harrison tunes.
I have several, both recent and older Dregs shows on DAT and CDR. If able
to tape or interested in trading, please give me a ping.
Thanks for the BW!
Craig
craig.chambers@mindspring.com
From: "Steve Mew" <paragon_of_virtue@hotmail.com>
Subject: advice for splicing 2 audio sources
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 22:43:11 -0800
here's me dilly, i've got this show that i taped in which I was
forced to put away my bag in the middle of the show. I kept the DAT
rolling while this occured, it lasts for about 2 min. So for about 2
min. you can hear me being approached by an usher and being asked to
put away my bag and me putting away my bag and coming back, all while
the show is still going on. Luckily I have a second source of the
same show, which doesn't sound a whole lot better than my source.
I'd like to seamlessly splice the other source into the "missing"
portion of my show. any tips?
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From: Kevin Brown <kevin5brown@yahoo.com>
Subject: Stupid DAT (OK, CD-R/RW!) Questions...
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:57:32 -0800 (PST)
I have been "archiving" vinyl and individual tracks
from CDs on MD and DAT. Just got a CD burner. Will
stick with DAT, punt MD, but now I have CD-R/RW
questions...
1) Should I be worried about "jitter" ? PC CD-ROM
drive to "extraction" to my hard drive, to writing on
my separate CD-R/RW drive. (Or, DAT to PC, back to
DAT even.) Or, is "extraction" different than simply
1x "digital recording"? Anyone ever test CD-R/RW
drives for jitter? Or am I just being paranoid?
1a) A CD-R/RW FAQ anywhere?
2) I have figured out how to label normal full-size
jewel cases. How do I do the 5mm 1/2-size cases?
(Are there "J-cards" or "CD case" card for these as
well?)
3) Is there an equivalent to DAT-Heads and this list
for CD burner questions? Or maybe a CD burner forum?
4) Any advantage at all to an external stereo burner
over a PC burner (Pioneer, Harmon Kardon, etc.)?
Aside from the higher media cost... :-)
5) If I "copy" from my MDs through the coax digital
output of my MD deck into my sound card (or external
stereo burner), can I expect the same quality as just
playing the MD? (I know, ATRAC and not PCM.) I think
I know this answer, but I have to ask!
Sorry for the bandwidth if this stuff really doesn't
belong here, but this *is* a better place to ask than
MD places. (Linear PCM is linear PCM after all...)
Thank you!!
Kevin.
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From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Stupid DAT (OK, CD-R/RW!) Questions...
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 03:28:35 -0500 (EST)
There's no need to worry about jitter.
One of the best places to learn about CDR is the etree faq,
www.etree.org (and the things it points to).
I use regular CD case cards for the half-thickness cases, but cut the
end flaps narrower.
> 3) Is there an equivalent to DAT-Heads and this list
> for CD burner questions? Or maybe a CD burner forum?
dat-heads is for all digital recording; etree is probably a better
list, though it's more about sharing the music, there's a lot of
technical stuff there too.
> 4) Any advantage at all to an external stereo burner
> over a PC burner (Pioneer, Harmon Kardon, etc.)?
> Aside from the higher media cost... :-)
No, in fact there are disadvantages: they're slower, don't support
data files (losslessly compressed), etc.
> 5) If I "copy" from my MDs through the coax digital
> output of my MD deck into my sound card (or external
> stereo burner), can I expect the same quality as just
> playing the MD?
Into the external burner, yes. Into a sound card, it depends on the
card. Some resample all inputs, so not those; others are
bit-accurate, so those would be OK.
Seth
From: "Rich Gomes" <RichGomes@mediaone.net>
Subject: Anybody taping these?
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:12:58 -0500
Lovage - featuring Dan the Automator, Kid Koala, Jennifer Charles and Mike
Patton. The tour dates are:
Jan 7 House of Blues LosAngeles,CA
Jan 8 Slim's SanFrancisco,CA
Jan 9 I Spy Seattle,WA
Jan 10 Richard's on Richards Vancouver,BC
Jan 12 First Avenue Minneapolis,MN
Jan 13 House of Blues Chicago,IL
Jan 14 The Magic Bag Detroit,MI
Jan 15 Phoenix Theatre Toronto,ONT
Jan 16 Middle East Boston,MA
Jan 17 Bowery Ballroom NY,NY
Would love to setup trades for any of these shows.
Thanks,
Rich
From: jopeter1 <jopeter1@vt.edu>
Subject: dat->pc
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:49:29 -0500
Okay, so I installed the audiophile 2496 soundcard on my computer and I got it
working. I am recording with cd wave and monitoring the sound through my
stereo system. Everything sounds fine when I'm listening to it while it's
recording. However, when I open up the file and listen to it there is a
crackling noise during some of the songs that was not originally there. I did
all that the troubleshooting guide told me to do as far as lowering the
graphic acceleration and making sure the "Reset Rate When Idle" box is not
checked. The clicking noise doesn't occur every time, as I have recorded a
few shows with no flaws. Any help is appreciated.
Peace,
John Peters
From: "Bob Silver" <bocabob@bellsouth.net>
Subject: NYE Phil Lesh Quintet & others: FOB clones for Charity
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:06:17 -0500
I just answered the door, and UPS next day air brought me the sweetest show,
THE SWEETEST RECORDING, and I have listened to all year!
This is THE BEST FOB " Neumann KM140>ORTF 15 ft from stage DFC>Lunatec V2>
SBM1>D8", that came out of the two night's! Hands down!
I will be seeding this version, but first I would like to collect something
for Savannah Woody (Her Christmas couldn't have been too nice this year)
I will be making copies of this NYE run, for whoever will be willing to send
me a Money Order made out to the "Savannah Woody Education Fund", or "Habit
for Humanity"
I hope to hand these checks over to Warren when he arrives in Fla, Feb
12th! So you will need to hurry! There will be a fast turn around!
If you want to wait......I'll be spreading these after that time!
But why wait, these are GREAT! And you will be helping others as well!
SHN and Audio CD for now Please!
NO TRADES NO GROVELING for now, I will be very busy..........burning for
the Money
Orders!
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From: "Kevin Hatton" <kevin_hatton@hotmail.com>
Subject: battery charging question
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 12:10:22 -0500
Hello all,
I currently use 3 batteries to run my small field recording system. They
are all 12V batteries with different aH. I only have 1 charger at this time
and currently rotate between the three batteries to keep them charged. Is
it possible to charge all three from this one charger at the same time? Can
I somehow wire them all in parallel? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
KEV
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From: BFOB@aol.com
Subject: tapers in Columbus, OH
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:11:54 EST
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Subject: tapers in Columbus, OH
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anyone want to get together and make come clones this weekend? Email me!!
Bill
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