DAT-heads Digest #170, Volume #6 Sun, 6 Jan 02 12:50:01 EST Contents: Re: battery charging question (Seth Breidbart) Nut loose behind the taping gear!!! (Abattement@aol.com) ISO:Dead& Jerry Shows....Digi or ana (Wavy Davy D) need taper in boston area for jan. 12th show ("kip") RE: Stupid DAT (OK, CD-R/RW!) Questions... ("Chet Ciechanowski") what's security like @ irving plaza, nyc? ("sam matthews") capturing warez for shoutcast........? (Schwigiddy) Stand-Alone CD-Recorders (-bob) Re: GYBE! taping policy? (Chris Bellew) FS: Apogee Cable and two 12V Batteries (10amp and 7amp) ("Rory Heller") Pink Floyd 1994 (a.patrizio@verizon.net) Tish Hinajosa taping? (Mark Mayhle) Re: advice for splicing 2 audio sources (Keith Shapiro) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Seth Breidbart Subject: Re: battery charging question Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:55:54 -0500 (EST) > I currently use 3 batteries to run my small field recording system. > They are all 12V batteries with different aH. I only have 1 charger > at this time and currently rotate between the three batteries to > keep them charged. Is it possible to charge all three from this one > charger at the same time? That's a bad idea. A smart charger (the only kind you'd want to keep a battery on permanently) checks the back-voltage to determine when the battery is fully charged and switches to trickle. With three batteries, it's guaranteed to do the wrong thing to at least one of them. Rotating them every day (or even every week) should keep them sufficiently topped off for all practical purposes. Seth ------------------------------ From: Abattement@aol.com Subject: Nut loose behind the taping gear!!! Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:20:47 EST I have been taping for a while now with A pair of AKG C-1000's straight into a Tascam DA-P1. I am having trouble controlling the level on the mics. They are either really hot and my tapes come out kind of distorted. OR, I use the db pad and I don't get enough gain to cover the distance between me and the sound. I realize this probably stems from me not knowing what the hell I'm doing. With that in mind. I know there is something out there I can insert between the P1 and the mics. I would also like to incorporate my AT-822 into the mix as a center channel. I am finding my AKG's very thin and not very warm. They don't pick up the vocal very well. I am hoping you can help. Whatever it is would need to be portable, as you can also see I am a detective, and be able to be powered in the field. If you might know of a solution to solve my delima. I would like to hear from you. I will give three free internet karate lessons to the first person with a good response thatw ont cost me more than $300. Is that wishful thinking?? Any information that would help would be apprpeciated. Thanks Slop E. Joe ------------------------------ From: Wavy Davy D Subject: ISO:Dead& Jerry Shows....Digi or ana Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:01:49 -0800 (PST) These are shows Ive been to and do not have yet from digital sources and am not certian if these even exist as full digitals(ie:dsb or daud)! My list is all master>dig or just full blown digital either sbd or auds using schoeps,neuman, sennheiser,ams,beyer nak and b+k's. Im looking for these shows below in full digi or master ana>digital or what ever the best source was and I have a ton to trade and am in the process of transfering 1200 dats and 400 beta pcms to cdr. Here is my 1st ever wish list: Jerry:12-3,4+5-87 Wiltern T L.A. (dsb or dat aud if they exist or more than likely analog master>dat*sbd or aud with any of the above mentioned mics and this gos for the rest of my wants) Dead:1-28,29+30-87 SF(analog sbd master or analog master(or preferably digital aud if they even exist in full digital....Im not sure But assume they do)? Dead:12-9,10+11-88 Long Beach healys in house fm master analog or sbd master>dig(or if they even exist dig aud) Dead:11-13,14+15-87 Long Beach daud aaud sbdm ? Dead:6-13+15-87 Ventua (I have the 14th schoeps fob) so I know the digi auds are out the but possibly not widly circulated and can't recall ever seening any sbds listed on anyones trade list. Jerry:11-11,12,13,15+16-90 L.A. daud do exist I have 1 set from d10>schoeps cmc 34s fob. Also Im aware that many dead tapers such as myself drift away from trading and some of them never get back into it at all,but Im sure with the list I have I will find all these shows off this dat-hads digest list and look forward to establishing some new fresh trade connections! Heres my 4 page Dead dat,pcm + cdr list....I only record and accept cdrs.I have no desire to accept dats since Im transfering them both day and night to cdr: http://www.webspawner.com/users/dats Thanks! B/W tax: Jerry Band:Blockbuster Glen Helen,Ca. 5-13-94 Schoeps AK-40s fob!! 2 80 min cdrs/b+p __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ From: "kip" Subject: need taper in boston area for jan. 12th show Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:21:29 -0500 Hi I'll be in the Boston area playing upright bass with Mike Auldridge and the Travelers. The gig is at Museum of Our National Heritage, Lexington, MA @ 7:30 PM. We are on the bill with Rhonda Vincent. Anyone going to tape it? PLEASE?! I'd love a good mix of this show--I'll try to get you get a board patch.. Thanks! kip + kip martin bassist for mike auldridge on time, in tune, and well within your budget! + ------------------------------ From: "Chet Ciechanowski" Subject: RE: Stupid DAT (OK, CD-R/RW!) Questions... Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:11:35 -0800 In response to Kevin Brown : >> 4) Any advantage at all to an external stereo burner >> over a PC burner (Pioneer, Harmon Kardon, etc.)? >> Aside from the higher media cost... :-) > > No, in fact there are disadvantages: they're slower, don't support > data files (losslessly compressed), etc. Actually, this depends on the type of recording you do. If you do a lot of recording from analog sources you may like the standalone stereo burner because a) you can record directly to CD in real time, whereas on a PC you have the extra, time consuming step of recording/assembling your stuff on hard disk before recording it; and b) the A/D converters in the standalone unit are likely to be better than what you have in the typical PC unless you've invested in a professional quality sound card. > 1) Should I be worried about "jitter" ? PC CD-ROM > drive to "extraction" to my hard drive, to writing on > my separate CD-R/RW drive. (Or, DAT to PC, back to > DAT even.) Or, is "extraction" different than simply > 1x "digital recording"? Anyone ever test CD-R/RW > drives for jitter? Or am I just being paranoid? I'm unclear on the details, but I recall reading somewhere, a couple of years ago, that jitter DOES affect audio extraction from a CD, and that Plextor drives had the lowest jitter measurements (at the time). > 3) Is there an equivalent to DAT-Heads and this list > for CD burner questions? Or maybe a CD burner forum? You may want to investigate ROXIO's mailing list, http://www.roxio.com/en/interest/community/index.html. Although it's primarily a forum for problems and questions related to their CD burning software, a lot of the discussions are more general in nature and there are some knowledgeable list members that can handle the technical questions. Regards, Chet ------------------------------ From: "sam matthews" Subject: what's security like @ irving plaza, nyc? Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 00:06:46 i'm going to the mission of burma reuinion show & i was wondering what security is like at this venue. how difficult will it be to my machine & stealth mics in? please reply off list. thank you. sam _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Schwigiddy Subject: capturing warez for shoutcast........? Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:08:33 -0800 (PST) i listen to Shoutcsat a lot & would like to know if there is any kinda software i can use to capture from the player to my hard drive.... i know that i can just use my digi out on the sound card to my DAP1 but, don't want to have to go through all that time to do it....... please help, been trying to figure this out... thanx for your time.... Rick................ PS this is NOT for the live PHiSH and DEAD that is on there, its for tha Jazz & Electronic stuff...i am a trader & have too many sources for that stuff, this is just for fun __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ From: -bob Subject: Stand-Alone CD-Recorders Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:20:47 -0800 (PST) I'd rather an Analog recording go through an HHb CDR-830/850 any way, any day. Best dang A/D for CD that you'll find. For DAT transfers, any bit-perfect (1-1 bitcopy) digital Audiocard and decent CD burner will do very nicely. Don't forget to burn "Disk At Once" (DAO). The HHb will burn CD-r(computer media) and CD-RW. It is slower and not redbook compliant. Try an EAC extraction to see what I mean. It does make a great sounding disk, and controls SCMS. It is easier for those who aren't computer propellerheads. :-) >> 4) Any advantage at all to an external stereo burner >> over a PC burner (Pioneer, Harmon Kardon, etc.)? >> Aside from the higher media cost... :-) > >No, in fact there are disadvantages: they're slower, >don't support >data files (losslessly compressed), etc. When is someone going to make a Standalone SHN Player???? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ From: Chris Bellew Subject: Re: GYBE! taping policy? Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:45:50 -0800 (PST) > GYBE is very very open to tapers....if you have trouble getting into a venue with your rig, find efrim, one of their guitarists (you can spot him easily - he's got a big mop of black hair) ... He will get you in with your stuff..the only thing is he doesnt like board patches cos you can never be sure of the quality of the mix.... Audience recordings do just fine anyways .. He told me this when I recorded them (twice) in san francisco back in october of 2000 ... There's a listserv for gybe that i left a few weeks ago cos of too much crap discussion about politics and other stuff, but the info was at http://lists.linuxshell.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gybe .. This site doesnt respond at the moment but maybe it'll work some other time ... Please let me know when you record them, I'd be interested in a trade! Chris > From: Paulo Vieira > Subject: GYBE! taping policy? > Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 19:15:51 +0000 > > Hello DATHeads! Does anyone know the Godspeed You > Black Emperor! taping > policy? Do they allow board patches? Any links to > related GYBE! > mailing-lists where I can ask these questions would > be greatly > appreciated. Thanks. > > -Paulo > ===== aim:Atomjack ym:atom_jack __________________________________________ mp3's are killing the music industry killin' aint wrong __________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ From: "Rory Heller" Subject: FS: Apogee Cable and two 12V Batteries (10amp and 7amp) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 22:42:49 -0500 APOGEE CABLE FOR SALE: $40.00 This is the 15-pin for the Apogee splitting 4-pin XLR and SPDIF for digi transfer. BATTERIES FOR SALE: $100.00 PowerSonic 12V 10 Amp.Hr. (model PS-12100 F2). Powersonic 12V 7 Amp. Hr. (model PS-1270). Powrersonic Charger (model PSC-12800A). Drop me a line if interested... Rellory@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ From: a.patrizio@verizon.net Subject: Pink Floyd 1994 Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 00:13:49 -0500 hey kids, this is my semi-monthly plea for dats from PF's '94 tour. i've got about 25% of the tour on dat, which means I need quite a bit more. If you taped any of these shows, or have a clean clone with gear info, please get in touch. Even if you don't wanna swap, I'd like to know whats out there. Anybody have a clean clone of 6/16/94 Ames, Iowa? My copy (the version with the cut 'run like hell') has some diginoise early, and i'm not sure if the master is at fault here. i know for certain that a full source exists because i have a 2nd gen from dat on analog of this show. its great. I see many versions of RFK 7.9.94, but no DAUDS from the following night at the same venue. Anything out there? Any of the Texas shows would be great. Someone here sent me a list with many masters and clones of these TX gigs, but he didn't wanna deal. Maybe someone has these. And lastly, I can't find the following shows in ANY format. If any of these exist (i don't care if it was recorded with answering machine tape), please advise: 4/10/94 Mexico City 4/26/94 El Paso 5/23/94 Montreal (full and not sourced from video) 6/28/94 Edmonton many thanks and happy new year, anthony ======================================== They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. --Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ------------------------------ From: Mark Mayhle Subject: Tish Hinajosa taping? Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 01:08:16 -0600 (CST) I don't find Tish listed in the BTAT. Anyone know her policy? Planning to see her at the Tractor in Seattle, 1/10/02. -- Mark Mayhle mark@mayhle.com ------------------------------ From: Keith Shapiro Subject: Re: advice for splicing 2 audio sources Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:04:53 -0500 (EST) Steve, et. al, There are three things you need to be aware of when splicing audio from a different source: 1. Volume differences 2. EQ differences 3. Time differences If both of the sources are at recorded at the same Fs, then #3 is cool, otherwise you'll need to resample the other source to match your original. The second is EQ.. this is best done with a spectrum analyzer at first, and a good ear for tuning. You'll definitely need a good set of monitors to do this, or you'll be tuning to your speakers. :) A spectrum analyzer trace of your source will give you an idea of any presence peaks (or lack thereof). In general, if you view a plot logarithmically, you should see a roll-off with a curve shape approaching -1/x^n. In other words, you should see a pretty high component in the bass spectrum, gradually rolling off toward 20Khz. This is, of course, in the average case. You'll want a good direct-x plug in that will let you live-preview your EQ. You might want to grab a section of good audio from both sources, put one in the left track, one in the right track and then fiddle with the EQ until they both sound approximately the same. Finally, there's volume differences. The further back a taper is, the less dynamic range you'll see. Your best bet is to check the RMS levels over a common section of audio. Match them up and then listen to make sure they sound approximately the same. Finally, there's the splicing. In order to keep your life simple as you do this, copy the audio from your original around where you need to splice, but add an extra 15-20 seconds before and after. You'll perform the splice on the copied section and then when you're satisfied it's seemless you can just paste it back into your original. Give yourself a good 2 or three seconds of overlap on the ends of the splice. Then look for a sonically noticeable element to sync to. It makes it easier to find exactly matching locations in both sources. Once you've found these on both sides, you'll want to zoom in and fine tune the locations. Zero crossings are good places. Try to match the slopes to ensure a good splice. Once you've got your locations marked, copy the new audio onto the old audio. Then take a listen. You'll probably have to find tune your markers several times before you get it seemless. :) Good luck! Keith > From: "Steve Mew" > Subject: advice for splicing 2 audio sources > Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 22:43:11 -0800 > > here's me dilly, i've got this show that i taped in which I was > forced to put away my bag in the middle of the show. I kept the DAT > rolling while this occured, it lasts for about 2 min. So for about 2 > min. you can hear me being approached by an usher and being asked to > put away my bag and me putting away my bag and coming back, all while > the show is still going on. Luckily I have a second source of the > same show, which doesn't sound a whole lot better than my source. > I'd like to seamlessly splice the other source into the "missing" > portion of my show. any tips? -- Keith D. Shapiro keither@torilive.org http://www.torilive.org/ ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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