DAT-heads Digest #174
Contents:
A3/Alabama3 recordings (Bob Siegl)
Re: ezmlm response ("kip martin")
ISO: John Mellencamp (Greg)
recording from soundboard to D8? (Gary Watson)
Taping request ("Lane Kelly")
ATTN: Tapers in California (Cale Wedell)
looking for chick corea from blue note 12/22 & 12/23 (have most o (tforbath@Nervewire.com)
Re: recording from soundboard to D8? ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.")
B & P Offer: ("KUZEN J")
Graham Patten DMIC-20 feedback (Deadtour@cs.com)
Standalone burners and DAT clones ("Ragan Todd")
Re: Stupid DAT (OK, CD-R/RW!) Questions... (Kevin Brown)
Antibalas West Coast tour ("Robert O'Haire")
WTD: Morrissey and Smiths recordings ("RT Radel")
Jazz Fest 2000 missing shows? ("Stephen Pzynski")
FS: Fostex D-5 and one-pass dat tapes (Ron Cobb)
FS: Sony D100, clean bill of health by Sonic Sense 6/29/01 (Eric Eckberg)
Quick Trade For SCI Show (Jonathan Lerman)
Sony 60ES service in Mumbai ("Hari Sahasrabuddhe")
need info on Fostex D5 and TASCAM DA30MKII ("Marco Santini")
ISO Phish 7/21/91 SBD (Nick Stiritz)
thanks for all the roxio help! (Lackofdave@aol.com)
Stiction and DAT tapes (SAlpert5@aol.com)
From: Bob Siegl <bobsiegl@yahoo.com>
Subject: A3/Alabama3 recordings
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:11:45 -0800 (PST)
Has anyone recorded A3 (Alabama 3) with a good rig (or
line)? If so please let me know. I'd like to hear them
live. These guys play that groovy song at the
beginning of the Sopranos 1st season and although I'm
about 4 years late, I can't get it out of my head. I
have lots to choose from with no crap. Thanks
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From: "kip martin" <onefourfive@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: ezmlm response
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:39:07 -0500
hey
>when i burn a straight copy of a live disc to another at the track marks
>there is a small glitch. not a pause but like if someone had spliced tape,
>removed .02 seconds, and spliced it back together.
are you ripping with roxio? its not usually considered great at ripping.
EAC is a free program most traders prefer. most CDR and .shn folks wont work
with a roxio-ripped show. i believe (and someone PLEASE correct me if im
wrong...like i have to ask!) that as long as a show is ripped via EAC, its
ok to then burn it with roxio or adaptec or whatever with little
repercussions from the audio cloning perfectionists out there. but im
probably wrong...and i digress.
so...if you ripped with EAC (as God intended us!), read the FAQ at etree.org
as ive seen mention about this problem. it does have a solution for this
problem with regards to EAC that may also work with your set roxio up.
kip martin
bassist for mike auldridge
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From: Greg <lists@tikcuf.com>
Subject: ISO: John Mellencamp
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:40:58 -0500
Hi All,
I am looking for any JM or JCM DATs/CDs from the most recent tour.
I have Darien Lake for trade and a bunch of older shows.
Thanks
Greg
From: Gary Watson <gary@blandest.demon.co.uk>
Subject: recording from soundboard to D8?
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:25:17 GMT
Hello,
I have read a few times that a D8 cannot handle the signal from a mixing
desk, due to the signal being too "hot", which I guess means it has too high
a voltage? Is there ANY way of taping from the desk using a D8? Would I
need an external pre-amp or something like that? Any help would be most
appreciated, Death Cab For Cutie will be playing in London at the end of the
month, and I will try to tape them if a D8 is capable.
Thanks,
Gary
"Only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has
been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you
find money cannot be eaten."
From: "Lane Kelly" <lkelly@infi.net>
Subject: Taping request
Reply-to: lkelly@infi.net
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:43:09 -0500
Can anyone out there tape any of the upcoming "Beatlejam" shows (sort of Blue
Floyd + Others jamming to Beatles tunes)? Here are the dates from
www.beatlejame.com:
Jan. 17 NY, NY BB King's
Jan. 18 Glenside, PA Keswick Thr.
Jan. 19 Providence, RI Lupo's
Jan. 20 Hartford , CT Webster Thr.
March 17 Westbury, NY Westbury Music Fair Thr.
I would love to hear some of these shows since they're too far away for me to
travel. I have tons of Blue Floyd and other artists to trade. I expect that all
these shows will be taper friendly, and it's possible that SBD patches will be
available.
Please e-mail me if you can help. Thanks.
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Lane Kelly
lkelly@infi.net
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From: Cale Wedell <calewedell@yahoo.com>
Subject: ATTN: Tapers in California
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:48:15 -0800 (PST)
I am looking for any tapers who live in California,
especially San Diego, Los Angeles, and San Francisco.
If you or someone you know lives in these area's,
please contact me via email @ calewedell@yahoo.com.
Thanks
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From: tforbath@Nervewire.com
Subject: looking for chick corea from blue note 12/22 & 12/23 (have most o
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:19:23 -0500
hi,
not sure if anyone else on dat-heads caught any of the recent 20 day run of
chick corea shows at the blue note in nyc (kind of a review of all of his
bands throughout his career)...
a buddy of mine taped at least one set of almost every group, but a car
accident kept us from getting the last 2 nights - the band with Michael
Brecker (a personal favorite) -
have TONS of jazz and other stuff to offer in trade...
thanks, t.
ps- as always, if i owe you tapes and we have not been in touch, please feel
free to ping me to make sure i am getting you what i owe you. thanks.
From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Re: recording from soundboard to D8?
Reply-To: <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:22:11 -0600 (CST)
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Gary Watson wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have read a few times that a D8 cannot handle the signal from a mixing
> desk, due to the signal being too "hot", which I guess means it has too high
> a voltage? Is there ANY way of taping from the desk using a D8? Would I
> need an external pre-amp or something like that? Any help would be most
> appreciated, Death Cab For Cutie will be playing in London at the end of the
> month, and I will try to tape them if a D8 is capable.
>
> Thanks,
> Gary
It depends on the board. Many boards have a pair of RCA "tape"
output jacks that would probably be at the right levels.
If they only have XLR outputs, then you would need an attenuator of
some kind. A pi-network is a fairly easy to build setup that will
work well for this. I built one for my Pro DAT deck as it would
overload the pre-amp on my consumer amplifier. There are schematics
and a tutorial here:
http://www.electronics-tutorials.com/basics/attenuators.htm
--
Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.
wayne@hoxnet.com
http://www.hoxnet.com
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From: "KUZEN J" <kuzen_j@hotmail.com>
Subject: B & P Offer:
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 15:54:00 -0500
Thanks to all of you has send me B&P in the past. I have a b&p to all
and if you have ever done a b&p in the your automatical in, just tell what
the show was,Because I keep records of who I trade with in the past.
On top of that up to five more.
Offer stops at mid-night on 12-11-2002
Trey Anastasio 2-28-2001 Richmond,VA @ Landmark Theatre "DAUD > CDR"
Thanks,
KUZEN
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From: Deadtour@cs.com
Subject: Graham Patten DMIC-20 feedback
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:59:25 EST
Any feedback on this unit would be greatly appreciated.
DMIC-20
Digital Microphone Pre-amp
Balanced inputs
20-BIT analog>digital converter
20-60 db gain in 5db increments
Powered by external 6volt battery for over 6 hours
How has it performed for you?
Thanks,
Chris
From: "Ragan Todd" <rhinelander2130@hotmail.com>
Subject: Standalone burners and DAT clones
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 22:25:08
In Digest #170, -bob wrote,
From: -bob <nattyfret@yahoo.com>
Subject: Stand-Alone CD-Recorders
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:20:47 -0800 (PST)
I'd rather an Analog recording go through an HHb
CDR-830/850 any way, any day. Best dang A/D for CD
that you'll find.
For DAT transfers, any bit-perfect (1-1 bitcopy)
digital Audiocard and decent CD burner will do very
nicely. Don't forget to burn "Disk At Once" (DAO).
The HHb will burn CD-r(computer media) and CD-RW.
It is slower and not redbook compliant. Try an EAC
extraction to see what I mean. It does make a great
sounding disk, and controls SCMS. It is easier for
those who aren't computer propellerheads. :-)
==snip==
I have an M1 and an HHb 830. If I copy a DAT to CD,
and then copy the CD back to DAT using the digital
connections of my RM-D100K, is this considered
a true DAT clone, or not?
Ragan
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From: Kevin Brown <kevin5brown@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stupid DAT (OK, CD-R/RW!) Questions...
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:44:59 -0800 (PST)
Seth said:
>>> dat-heads is for all digital recording;
Cool. I also got your other suggestions (etree.org).
I did also find cdrfaq.org which is *very* useful too.
One more question if anyone knows:
If I play and then try to record an MD through the
digital (coax or optical) interface into a standalone
CD burner, will SCMS get in the way? I'm thinking
not, because ATRAC will prevent me from getting a
bit-accurate copy of the original source anyway. But
I don't know for sure.
Thanks!!
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From: "Robert O'Haire" <plummer@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Antibalas West Coast tour
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:56:48 -0500
Antibalas is an ass movin band everyone should check out.
They encourage tapers of any kind..plus painters and dancers etc...
Let me know if you tape..I'd like to trade you. Thanks, Robert
Tue 2/19 Seattle, WA I-Spy
Wed 2/20 Portland, OR Berbatis Pan
Fri. 2/22 San Francisco, CA Justice League
Sat 2/23 San Francisco, CA Justice League
Mon. 2/25 San Diego, CA Casbah
Tue 2/26 Santa Monica, CA Temple Bar
Wed 2/27 Santa Monica, CA Temple Bar
From: "RT Radel" <rtradel@home.com>
Subject: WTD: Morrissey and Smiths recordings
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:00:07 -0500
Hello...
i'm looking for Morrissey and Smiths recordings...especially Soundboards
or DAT-sourced 1991/92 shows. Also looking for unreleased studio tracks and
demos. Tons to trade.
thanks!
---rob
From: "Stephen Pzynski" <stejampzy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Jazz Fest 2000 missing shows?
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:54:56 -0600
Hey all...
I'm currently looking for a few shows I'm missing from my Jazz Fest 2000
(that's 2000!) collection. Anybody got them? DAT or CD?
Jazz Mandolin Project: 5-6-00 > Tipitina's (does this exist?)
Lenny Kravitz: 5-?-00 > Fairgrounds (does this exist?)
MMW: 5-6-00 > Saenger Theatre
Bela Fleck & Flecktones: 5-5-00 > Saenger Theatre (DSBD?)
Funky Meters: 5-7-00 > Tipitina's Ruins
Thanks a lot!!
Steve
CD List: http://www.geocities.com/stejampzy/cdlist.htm
DAT List: http://www.geocities.com/stejampzy/datlist.htm
BWT: The Word: 8-3-01 > Lupo's Heartbreak Hotel, Providence, RI (Sennheiser
K6me64 > SBM-1 > D8) on 2cd's to the first two.
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From: Ron Cobb <rcobb@channel1.com>
Subject: FS: Fostex D-5 and one-pass dat tapes
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:08:34 -0500
I have a Fostex D-5 with low hours if anyone is looking for one. This unit
is one of the early ones that I just didn't use much (about 100 tapes
recorded on it). Comes with original box, original manual, and remote
control. Professionally cleaned/aligned in the last year and not used
since then. Please email for more details. Only problems are a "scratchy"
headphone volume control and L/R balance does not appear to work on
playback/listening. Both probably resulted from it not being used enough,
so give it a good home and put it to work!
$275 plus shipping
I also have about 100 dat tapes that were used once. About half are
audio-grade (120min) and half are data-grade (60m & 90m). $1.50 per tape.
Preference for someone to buy the whole lot.
thanks,
ron
From: Eric Eckberg <shmurg@yahoo.com>
Subject: FS: Sony D100, clean bill of health by Sonic Sense 6/29/01
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:09:29 -0800 (PST)
Looking for a potential buyer for my trusty Sony D100.
Just had the drum assembly, heads, capstan, pinch
roller, guide posts cleaned. The alignment was
checked and the block error rates tested too. Given a
clean bill of health by Sonic Sense 6/29/01
(documented if needed). Has not been used since, but
once or twice. Looking for at least $500. All
documentation, boxes and accessories are here too. It
is in mint cosmetic shape as well! Will consider
selling the 7 pin RK-DA10 with it for the right price.
The cable is not included with the price above. Don't
ask for just the 7-pin please.
Any offers welcome...but no low ballers please.
Thanks,
Eric
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From: BabyPrite@webtv.net (Jonathan Lerman)
Subject: Quick Trade For SCI Show
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:20:08 -0500 (EST)
I would love to set up a quick swap, for which I would be very grateful,
for SCI's Warfield-3-10-01 DSBD on DAT featuring Bob Weir+Vince Welnick.
I have it on CDR, but would like the DAT for a friend, who does not
currently have access to CD equipment at home. I'm sure the DAT is "out
there" since I have seen this show on many lists. I have some great
tapes with which I can reciprocate: SCI, ABB, GD, Pink Floyd, JGB,
Ratdog, and much more. Thanks in advance, Jon
From: "Hari Sahasrabuddhe" <hvs_buddhe@hotmail.com>
Subject: Sony 60ES service in Mumbai
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:25:33 +0530
My trusty Sony 60ES is acting up. It refuses to eject
every 3rd or so tape loaded into it. Anyone know anything
about getting it fixed in Mumbai?
Many thanks in advance
Hari Sahasrabuddhe
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From: "Marco Santini" <marcosantini@tin.it>
Subject: need info on Fostex D5 and TASCAM DA30MKII
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:17:54 +0100
Hello !
As I was looking for a home deck, I've been offered with a choice between a
2nd hand FOSTEX D5 or a 2nd hand TASCAM DA30MKII. The price difference is
quite consistent : about 500$ for the Fostex and about 840$ for the Tascam.
The only info that I have until now is that the Tascam was mainly used in
home and have a low mileage on it (any way to check this ?), no idea about
the Fostex.
I need the help of any owner of these decks with advice on pros/cons of the
two machines, what to check to be sure of their status, etc....
I'll visit the shop next tuesday, thanks for any reply arriving before that
date.
Regards
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From: Nick Stiritz <nstirit@emory.edu>
Subject: ISO Phish 7/21/91 SBD
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:05:16 -0500
Hey guys,
Lookin to find this one on dat, sbd pref. for trade or B&P, drop me a
line have plenty to trade in return, thanks much,
Nick
From: Lackofdave@aol.com
Subject: thanks for all the roxio help!
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:31:12 EST
I needed to send this out to the entire list simply because the response to
my query was just overwhelming. dozens of very helpful emails later I've
successfully fixed the problem, sort of.
I downloaded two other recommended programs and they work great.
As for roxio i did switch to the disc at once feature and downloaded the
whole thing to my hard drive and then made the copy and while it was much
less noticeable to my ears you could still hear a tiny glitch. The other two
programs i downloaded were EAC and Nero. Which take a little longer but
worked flawlessly.
So much thanks to everyone. i forgot how friendly and helpful people on this
list are.
I will be sending out a message to the first few peopel that sent helpful
emails but I can't really afford to give out shows to the dozens of people
that emailed me. Sorry. but if anyone wants to trade for some Queens of the
Stone Age, Jimmy Eat World or Dashboard Confessional drop me a line.
Dave
lackofdave@aol.com
From: SAlpert5@aol.com
Subject: Stiction and DAT tapes
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:48:59 EST
In DAT-heads 173, Carl Schwink <starfish@pacific-ocean.com> asked about Subject: Dusting off the DATs.
while I am not sure what the dust / mold he described is, I can say that even in the absense of that, tape DOES tend to bind over time.
This is sometimes referred to as "stiction"
More precisely, there are two components here:
1) tape sticking to itself within the tape pack (often cured via fast forwarding and rewinding) and
2) tape sticking to the heads and rollers inside the playback machine.
The second problem is the one that more often causes breakage. The first one usually only causes "dropouts", which of course are pretty annoying diginoise in the case of DAT.
The reason the "stick" is so strong, is that what is actually happening is that the binder is coming loose off the tape, and oozing out to the rollers in your machine etc.
The binder is the sticky glue-like substance that holds the emulstion (magnetic particles) to the mylar (or whatever) film-like ribbon of the tape. You can imagine how strong such glue has to be to prevent the metal particles from falling off the tape. When it starts to degrade, look out! Tapes become history.
While I have fortunately not had a problem with DAT's yet, and so I haven't tried this with them, the common rule of thumb to correct this problem is counter-intuitive (at least with other tape formats that this has been an issue with). Believe it or not, the "fix" is to "bake" the tape.
I am of course not talking about setting the oven on 300 and whammo! No way, dude, that will melt your music faster than anything!
What is the rule of thumb with formats such as reel-to-reel which can also have this problem, is to bake at about 115-125 degrees, no hotter! And bake for about 24-36 hours. The oozing binder will tend to re-formulate and collect where it needs to be, and be dry enough so as not to ooze out upon playback. You may only get one play out of a tape after this process, so be sure to run a clone at that time if necessary!
Finally, you may first need to clean your machine's heads and rollers prior to playing these tapes....the previous playbacks with the oozing tape will have left a really bad residue of this binder glue, kind of like "gum" on the guides, which will stick even to "clean" or "baked" tapes. You must clean this crap off first!
Good luck!
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