DAT-heads Digest #176
Contents:
re: Digital input device suggestions? (Keith Bode)
Question and Offer (Logofadog@aol.com)
Extra DATs for Trade/B+P ("Will Herrmann")
iso: Biscuits taper from Cat's Cradle 12/5/01 (Knicks1680@aol.com)
Introduction ("Steve Rodgers,Photographer")
?? about motherboards ("Kevin Hatton")
Re: ?? about motherboards ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.")
Re: ?? about motherboards (L Sean Kennedy)
Re: ?? about motherboards (Mark Mayhle)
FS: Sony D100 (Eric Eckberg)
RE: Graham Patten DMIC-20 feedback ("Marc Nutter")
San Diego: ticket offer (hewitt@panix.com)
Marantz cdr-630... and dat & beta pcm extras Grateful Dead (Wavy Davy D)
(Pro) CD Burners continued... (Kevin Brown)
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: re: Digital input device suggestions?
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:30:24 -0800
Ny first suggestion would be to upgrade your O/S.
Windows ME is one of
the greatest hoaxes pulled on by Micrsoft to date. IMO,
it is a
disabled, dowbgraded version of Winows 98 OS/2. I've
heard nothing but
horror stories about it. I would be removing it from you
system and
replacing it, and I'D bet more area's of your computer
would work beter
also. your other options would be good too, but I would
still recomend
improving the O/S. BTW, I use an Egosys U2A.
Keith
My trusty DatPort will not work properly on my new
WindowsME machine. I did
a search of the database and didn't see any cure for my
problem, ie; I can
do transfers from 44.1 sources, but cannot switch to 48.
I would prefer to
keep my DatPort if anyone has found a driver\software
that works with ME,
but barring that, I need to replace it.
I was told about the Midiman Audiophile card, which has a
little *too* much
on it - I don't need midi input, I am only doing DAT>SHN
conversion.
Midiman has a simpler card for a bit less money - the DiO
2448 - that would
seem to be a better choice for me, but has no d\a for
analog. I could just
run my cassette player through my DAT deck I suppose, so
that's not a real
problem, but I would like to know if there are other
cards out there that
are superior cards out there for my purpose? I found
pretty good pricing on
these 2 cards at Core-Sound - the Audiophile 2496 at $150
and the 2448 at
$105, and that is a pretty comfortable margin for me.
From: Logofadog@aol.com
Subject: Question and Offer
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:52:44 EST
Does any one use Quantegy DAT's? A local store carries these tapes and purely
for convenience I have been using them.
I would also like to offer up a absolutely steller recording of Steve Kimock
11.3.01 @ The Abbey Pub Chicago, IL
Anyway best AUD I have ever heard. A BIG Thanks to Ted Cappelen for taping
and doing the transfer
Source:Schoeps M-S CMC6>MK-8 & MK4>Sound Device MP2 (M-S Matrix)>D7>Fostex
CDR200 Burner 3 80 min. Discs Audio
B&P's I will take as many as I can. Trades: Send list
-Denny
From: "Will Herrmann" <willherrmann@mediaone.net>
Subject: Extra DATs for Trade/B+P
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:46:40 -0500
Hi Folks,
I've got the following extras (all on Sony DGP or Maxell HS4 60's) which
I'd like to offer up for B+P or for trade. Preference goes to anyone who
will take all 4, but I'm open to any and all requests:
String Cheese Incident 10-26-01 Mullins Center, Amherst, MA, set 1, 1x60
meter
FOB Schoeps CMC6/MK4->Lunatec
V2->Tascam DA-P1
String Cheese Incident 10-31-01 Theater at MSG, NYC, NY, set 1, 1x60 meter
FOB B+K 4022 ->Lunatec V2->Sonic
AD2K+->Sony D8
Robert Walter's 20th Congress 11-1-01 Somerville Theater, Somerville, MA,
all, 1x60 meter
FOB Schoeps CMC6/MK4->Lunatec
V2->Tascam DA-P1
Charlie Hunter Quartet 11-1-01 Somerville Theater, Somerville, MA, all,
1x60 meter
Fob Schoeps CMC6/MK4->Lunatec
V2->Tascam DA-P1
Thanks in advance.
Will
From: Knicks1680@aol.com
Subject: iso: Biscuits taper from Cat's Cradle 12/5/01
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:00:08 EST
Hey all, sorry for the wob. I was wondering if the taper who was running AKG 391's at The Disco Biscuits show from the Cat's Cradle could please drop me an e-mail with your rig info. Thanks a lot
matt
From: "Steve Rodgers,Photographer" <lens@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Introduction
Reply-To: lens@sprintmail.com
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:02:56 -0500
Hello folks,
I just joined this list and am pretty much a novice to DAT taping but
have been taping stuff since the 1960's and am an ex musician and now a
pro digital photographer for the past few years. I travel between
Orlando, FL and Martha's Vineyard, MA so if there are any shows in
either of those regions of interest I'll be happy to do what I can to
get board access.. I'm pretty good at acquiring press passes for certain
gigs but am out of the loop as to how to gain board access so any help
will be appreciated from all you gurus out there.
I just got a Sony M1 and am looking forward to playing with it in the
near future.. a big jump for a guy who used to use Sony reel to reels
and Shure mics in the audience on stands...man how times have changed
(for the better I might add).
Anyone have any Rolling Stones DATS off the soundboard? Would love to
acquire one from one of their small club rehearsal venues...
Steve Rodgers aka "Lens"
From: "Kevin Hatton" <kevin_hatton@hotmail.com>
Subject: ?? about motherboards
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:49:21 -0500
Hello all,
A friend of mine is in the process of building himself a computer with the
capability of doing digital in via sound card with digital in. His real
question is about motherboards.
Apparently, most of the motherboards on the market today (specifically the
Ali Magik1, VIA 266A and nvidia chipsets) have built-in sound already with
an on-board chip. Is it possible then to disable this chip to use the sound
card instead? Does it effect the computer in any way? Is this even an
issue?
Hopefully someone with a little more experience with this aspect can help us
out.
KEVIN HATTON
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From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Re: ?? about motherboards
Reply-To: <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:54:41 -0600 (CST)
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Kevin Hatton wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> A friend of mine is in the process of building himself a computer with the
> capability of doing digital in via sound card with digital in. His real
> question is about motherboards.
>
> Apparently, most of the motherboards on the market today (specifically the
> Ali Magik1, VIA 266A and nvidia chipsets) have built-in sound already with
> an on-board chip. Is it possible then to disable this chip to use the sound
> card instead? Does it effect the computer in any way? Is this even an
> issue?
>
> Hopefully someone with a little more experience with this aspect can help us
> out.
Generally, you can disable things like sound in the BIOS setup
facility, but it is not always even necessary. There is no reason
why 2 sound cards could not be active at the same time.
Also, check the specs. A lot of the motherboards I've seen
with built-in sound have the popular CMI 8738 chip and include a
optical/coax S/PDIF riser.
--
Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.
wayne@hoxnet.com
http://www.hoxnet.com
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From: L Sean Kennedy <liam@fedney.org>
Subject: Re: ?? about motherboards
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:23:17 -0500
--On Friday, January 11, 2002 1:54 PM -0600 "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr."
<wayne@hoxnet.com> wrote:
> Also, check the specs. A lot of the motherboards I've seen
> with built-in sound have the popular CMI 8738 chip and include a
> optical/coax S/PDIF riser.
You usually want to check the manual too
as often such a riser has only S/PDIF out
(at least coax) although in some in
can be easily added.
The Soyo Dragon+ has both in/out.
outpost.com is packaging it with a
Athlon 1800XP for around $350.
Sean
From: Mark Mayhle <mark@mayhle.com>
Subject: Re: ?? about motherboards
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:57:29 -0600 (CST)
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, L Sean Kennedy wrote:
> The Soyo Dragon+ has both in/out.
> outpost.com is packaging it with a
> Athlon 1800XP for around $350.
A word of warning based on (mildly) painful experience about
Outpost.com: They do not accept returns of motherboards or processors,
even if they are defective. You are left to deal with the
manufacturer. In the case of a defective mobo I bought, the manufacturer
(ECS) honors their warranty ONLY if the product was purchased directly
from them. Catch 22. Soyo probably is better than ECS in this regard, as
well as in quality control, but caveat emptor re: Outpost.com.
My Dragon+ arrived today, from Newegg.com.
--
Mark Mayhle
mark@mayhle.com
From: Eric Eckberg <shmurg@yahoo.com>
Subject: FS: Sony D100
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:11:17 -0800 (PST)
Looking for a potential buyer for my trusty Sony D100.
Just had the drum assembly, heads, capstan, pinch
roller, guide posts cleaned. The alignment was
checked and the block error rates tested too. Given a
clean bill of health by Sonic Sense 6/29/01
(documented if needed). Has not been used since, but
once or twice. Looking for at least $500. All
documentation, boxes and accessories are here too. It
is in mint cosmetic shape as well! Will consider
selling the 7 pin RK-DA10 with it for the right price.
The cable is not included with the price above. Don't
ask for just the 7-pin please.
Any offers welcome...but no low ballers please.
Thanks,
Eric
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From: "Marc Nutter" <nutter@sonicsense.com>
Subject: RE: Graham Patten DMIC-20 feedback
Reply-To: "Marc Nutter" <nutter@sonicsense.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:14:55 -0700
>Deadtour@cs.com wrote:
>Any feedback on this unit would be greatly appreciated.
> DMIC-20
> Digital Microphone Pre-amp
> Balanced inputs
> 20-BIT analog>digital converter
> 20-60 db gain in 5db increments
> Powered by external 6volt battery for over 6 hours
>How has it performed for you?
>Thanks,
>Chris
Hi Chris (and all),
I have always been quite a fan of the DMIC-20 as it is a great deal for the
money.
It is tight and well defined on the bottom-end, albeit not really beefy and
robust. The mids and highs are clear and well-defined but could be called a
touch sharp across the top. When I compared it directly to a Beyer MV-100
several years ago, I liked the bottom-end definition considerably better and
found that it delivered a much more accurate portrayal of the depth and
space of the room. Mids and highs sounded natural and we'll defined.
For the sake of further comparison, I connected the MV-100 to the ADC-20
(essentially the DMIC-20 without the pre-amp) and despite fairly low levels
resulting from the low output capability of the MV-100, I found that the
overall sound was fuller, bigger, and richer. From this, I concluded that
the MV-100 as a pre-amp is better than the pre-amp section of the DMIC-20,
but that for the money, I would prefer to use the DMIC-20.
Common complaints about the DMIC-20 are the fact that it only has 5db steps
and since the output is digital, it is not possible to balance left/right
gain if they are off by a couple/few db. No argument there. However,
another common complaint about this issue is that it is hard to decide where
to set the gain. Typically, I recommend setting it so that the first couple
songs peak at -7 to -4dbfs. You can be confident that within a few songs,
the levels will be turned up a bit and you will have very satisfactory
levels. Remember, when running a 20-bit converter into a device that is
only capturing 16-bits you are, while truncating least significant bits,
actually still capturing 16-bits until you are at approximately -18dbfs.
While you wouldn't want to record that low, recording at -8dbfs to -4dbfs
will not harm sound quality. Making up a few db by turning up your playback
system will not compromise your recording.
As far as pre-amps in a similar price range to the DMIC-20 are concerned, I
still highly recommend the Sound Devices MP-2. We aimed to make it a best
deal on the market aside from the good ol' V2, without the hefty pricetag.
While there are a couple matters that folks don't always like about the
MP-2, I think it sounds quite good and is very user friendly. While it does
not provide A/D conversion like the DMIC-20, the quality of pre-amp
outweighs having to still use the deck's onboard A/D. Then, later, it is
always possible to add an outboard A/D should you still want one.
Please feel free to forward questions to us at nutter@sonicsense.com or
visit our website for more info. on each of these options.
Happy Recording Everybody.
Marc
Marc Nutter
Sonic Sense, Inc.
2755 S. Gilpin St.
Denver, CO 80210
Toll Free Phone (877) 324-4463
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From: hewitt@panix.com
Subject: San Diego: ticket offer
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:58:58 -0500
You: tape Eddie Spaghetti at the Casbah on 1/15.
I: pay for your ticket.
Drop a line!
From: Wavy Davy D <digitaldimar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Marantz cdr-630... and dat & beta pcm extras Grateful Dead
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:44:06 -0800 (PST)
My Marantz cdr 630 will no longer finalize a disc
in it! I pull it out and put the unfinalized disc
into another cd recorder and it finalizes just
fine in the other. Is there a cure for this? Also
I have about 50 PCM Betas of the GD that are all
master analog>digital or full digital(from dat
master sbd or aud)that I no longer need if theres
anyone on this list that has a pcm unit set for
beta pcm playback Id be willing to send these to
you for 3 cdrs per 3hr beta and believe me these
are all complete, awesome sounding and flawless!!
Also I have many dats in which Ive transfered to
cdr that I will take 2 cdrs per 60&90 meter and
or 90&120 minute dats,again All Grateful Dead
masters>dat using all kinds of high end mics from
senn to ams to beyer to b+ks.....only 2 cdrs per
dat no matter if its a 3 hr or a 90 minute audio
pro!!!! I have about 30 of them many rare and htf
shows that you dont see on many lists! Eme for
both dat or pcm lists
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Dave DiMartino
18344 Amie Ave House A
Torrance,Ca.90504
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From: Kevin Brown <kevin5brown@yahoo.com>
Subject: (Pro) CD Burners continued...
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:13:56 -0800 (PST)
I suppose HHB burners are not that hard to find if you
get the initials right! (I had "HBB" before...)
Many thanks for the people who have emailed me
comments on the Tascam. But, brings up another
question:
Out of the 10-15 people who responded, 3 said to "stay
away" from the Tascam CD-RW700 because of "problems."
I tried to search the DAT-Heads archive, and didn't
really dig up anything. (I thought it was the Yamaha
~700 with all the negative comments...) 2 of those 3
mentioned HHB.
(Seems the Tascam at least uses a Sony laser. Saw a
sticker on the back of the unit in a hi res photo.)
Any detail on the problems of the Tascam would be very
much appreciated.
So now, I'm comparing the Tascam to the HHB CDR830.
Is HHB related to Pioneer somehow? Their Professional
Division? (Teac a la Tascam.) For some reason I
thought so, but someone else said no.
Feature-wise, the Tascam and HHB seem really
similar...
Thanks!
(I seem to be getting the best info from here, vs
Audio Asylum, the Tascam web site forum, and home
theater forum. FYI!! Linear PCM is linear PCM...)
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