DAT-heads Digest #177, Volume #6 Sat, 12 Jan 02 22:50:01 EST Contents: RE: ??? Motherboard (Sean Cartwright) ISO: 6/27/87 @ Alpine Valley, Wis. (JamesHelgerson@aol.com) Info Needed On Oktave Mics (JamesHelgerson@aol.com) Mission of Burma ("Henry H. Owings") Fuse size to power D8? ("Winnie Olmer") Re: (Pro) CD Burners continued (acffh) ADK Mics ("Matt") RE: Graham Patten DMIC-20 feedback (Jason & Monique Riggs) Technics DAT on eBay (Klay Anderson) Fs: schoeps mk4 caps (=?iso-8859-1?q?el=20paquisto?=) Going price for Apogee AD1000? (Eric Reichenbach) Web site and list ("Mitchell Grunat") ISO: Kimock Band and/or Garaj Mahal ("Jackson Gibbs") Gloria Record Tapers (Aleal5687@cs.com) Re: ?? about motherboards (Romain Kang) ISO:Phish 9/11,12/00 HQ ("Marcello Gasperini") Roxio 5.0 skipping trouble ("Rick Gebhard") ISO: Primal Scream 3/20/00 setlist ("Mr. Groovunit") FS: Sony D-8, 30hrs, $400, clean bill of health from Pro Digital (rossother1@cs.com) iso stevie wonder, 7-4-73 ("brian durham") re: Question and Offer ("Slipkid") ISO: Woven Hand / David Eugene Edwards (Kurt Vogel) Any experience with jacksmusicstore.com? (Clancey) Capturing bits and S/N ratio (was RE: Graham Patten DMIC-20 feedback) ("Jamie Lutch") DA-302 Question (Richard Davis) FS: SONY PCM-M1 and OADE ACTIVE 7 PIN (Matthew V Pfeil) ISO: Gravenites/Cipollina 3/18/83 (Bryce Hall) Extra P&F 11/10/2001 master for trade ("DCin10AC") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean Cartwright Subject: RE: ??? Motherboard Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:14:46 -0500 Hey Kevin, Yes you can disable the onboard soundcard, or should I say that I've never seen a m/board that would allow this (read "pretty unlikely"). Used to be a jumper on the m/board (refer to its manual) but all I see now is a setting in the system setup (bios) for enabling or disabling it (again, look in the manual it may describe how to en/dis-able it). For that matter, you don't even have to disable it. In this case though you would have to make sure that the digi-card was assigned to a different address & IRQ (which it may be by PnP anyway) and you would have to select which device should be receiving the data (music), similar to selecting which printer you want to print to if you have multiple printers. Peace, Sean ------------------------------ From: JamesHelgerson@aol.com Subject: ISO: 6/27/87 @ Alpine Valley, Wis. Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:58:10 EST I'm in need of that ^ show, preferrably on DAT. It's the ONLY Dead show ever that me & all 3 of my brothers attended together. I have an old aud copy on analog, but would love to get my hands on a nice SBD DAT copy. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. THANKS!, --James easiest reached at nutball67@hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: JamesHelgerson@aol.com Subject: Info Needed On Oktave Mics Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:01:00 EST What can you tell me about Oktava o12 mics? Are they any good at all? I know they're rather inexpensive, but how do they sound? What kind of frequency range do they have?? How much bd sound pressure levels can they handle?????? ------------------------------ From: "Henry H. Owings" Subject: Mission of Burma Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:23:55 -0500 Has anybody recorded this past weekend's shows in New York and will anybody be recording their 3 shows in Boston this week coming? Please contact. ------------------------------ From: "Winnie Olmer" Subject: Fuse size to power D8? Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:55:23 -0500 I got a 6 volt 7ah sealed lead acid battery from radioshack. I am trying to make my own "echocharge" system at a fraction of cost. How do I determine the neccesary fuse size from the specs on the D8? Or if anyone has the echocharge unit... what size fuse do they use? Thanks! Winnie ================================== "Imagine there's no countries, It isn't hard to do, Nothing to kill or die for, No religion too, Imagine all the people living life in peace..."-John Lennon Winnie Olmer mailto:who@sover.net ================================== ------------------------------ From: acffh Subject: Re: (Pro) CD Burners continued Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:25:44 -0600 Ya might look also at the Fostex unit. Like the HHB Machines, it's made by Pioneer. The Fostex is on sale at FullCompass.com (free plug) in Wisconsin for about $400.00! That's a heck of a deal if they have any left (call their 800 number next monday and see) Pioneer makes machines for a lot of different companies. I don't know them all, but I am sure that Fostex and HHb brand them as their own. Tascam and Fostex are sort of related in that I think some of Tascam's engineers left Tascam to form Fostex in the 1970's or 80's. good luck! -t So now, I'm comparing the Tascam to the HHB CDR830. Is HHB related to Pioneer somehow? Their Professional Division? (Teac a la Tascam.) For some reason I thought so, but someone else said no. Feature-wise, the Tascam and HHB seem really similar... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: "Matt" Subject: ADK Mics Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:28:06 -0700 Any of you use or have any opinions on the ADK line of mics (saw them at http://store.yahoo.com/tracertek/index.html). Their claims make them sound pretty nice for the money, but I don't know anything about them. Anyone got a recording sample? That would be even better. Thanks in advance! Matt ------------------------------ From: Jason & Monique Riggs Subject: RE: Graham Patten DMIC-20 feedback Reply-To: mkwilson@iquest.net Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:48:06 -0500 The DMIC-20 compared to a hi end rig holds its own! I run (in the section) MK41's>V2>AD2K+>DAP1... My buddy Rick runs MK4's>DMIC-20>M1..... Rick's tapes always come out very smooth and balanced. The DMIC-20 has a very clean, natural & uncolored sound. The V2>AD2K+ combo does also w/ some added beefiness and detail. But in some situations his smaller rig really shines through. When another 5db gain would be to much a high power play back system is beneficial w/ this unit. Just turn it up! IMO, w/ a good pair of mic's this is one of my favorite pieces of gear. "But this one goes to 11" Jason ------------------------------ From: Klay Anderson Subject: Technics DAT on eBay Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:06:45 -0700 We have listed a Technics SV-E10 consumer DAT deck on eBay; http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1321104992 There were not that many of these in the US; we sold most of them and this deck has the same transport as the 3200, 3700, etc. In good condition with optical and coaxial inputs and outputs. Thanks! -- Regards, Klay Anderson, D.A.,Q.B.E. Klay Anderson Audio, Inc. http://www.klay.com 1.800.FOR.KLAY ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?q?el=20paquisto?= Subject: Fs: schoeps mk4 caps Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:12:58 +0100 (CET) hello i selling a pair of schoeps mk4 mic caps. they are in mint condition and in their plastic vinyl "thingie" e-mail me for price...etc --muj ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Norge - no.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Halfstep-2@webtv.net (Eric Reichenbach) Subject: Going price for Apogee AD1000? Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:18:40 -0500 (EST) Been out-of-the-loop for a bit now. (No pun intended.) What is the current going rate for a mint AD1000 (Platinum version) including the original box and manual? Please respond privately. Thank you, Eric ------------------------------ From: "Mitchell Grunat" Subject: Web site and list Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:47:39 -0500 For reason I cannot understand, my hosting service moved my web site and list. The new address is http://my.netdirect.net/~mmg19/ - It contains my extensive list of Dylan, Dead and other recordings. ------------------------------ From: "Jackson Gibbs" Subject: ISO: Kimock Band and/or Garaj Mahal Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:54:22 -0800 Looking for any cd or dat Kimock or Garaj from the last six months, have this to trade: Kimock: 12/22 Rode NTK > MP2 > SBM1 12/30* MBHO602/200 > V2 > ADC20 Garaj: 9/23*, 12/21*,22* Rode NTK > MP2 > SBM1 String Cheese: 12/28 Neumann KM150 > Deneke 8020 12/29 MBHO 603/500 > MP2 > DA-P1 12/31 Schoeps CMC641 > MP2 > AD2K+ * also available on cd BTW - B&P of any 2 from above for first to reply. -Jackson ------------------------------ From: Aleal5687@cs.com Subject: Gloria Record Tapers Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:06:07 EST The Gloria Record just started a tour in support of the new album"Start Here" that comes out in April. Taper friendly,board patches,mics. Just ask for Chris the singer and he should get you set up. I taped them last night 1/11/02 Tempe AZ Nitas Hideaway http://www.thegloriarecord.com/coordinates.htm Thanks in advance Arnold ------------------------------ From: Romain Kang Subject: Re: ?? about motherboards Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:46:25 -0800 On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 02:57:29PM -0600, Mark Mayhle wrote: > A word of warning based on (mildly) painful experience about > Outpost.com: They do not accept returns of motherboards or processors, > even if they are defective. You are left to deal with the > manufacturer. This is getting even further off topic, but the other thing to be aware of is that Outpost.com is now owned by Fry's Electronics, the Silicon Valley superstore known for incredible selection, take-no-prisoners business practices, and abysmal service. It's probably just a matter of time before Outpost.com just means Fry's Internet point of presence. (But hey, I still spend some time wandering around the brick-and-mortar stores every week...) Romain Kang Disclaimer: I speak for myself alone, romain@kzsu.stanford.edu except when indicated otherwise. ------------------------------ From: "Marcello Gasperini" Subject: ISO:Phish 9/11,12/00 HQ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:23:15 +0100 Hi all, I'm looking for nice copies of 9/11,12/00, Phish shows played in Mansfield. Thanks,Marcello my list: http://www.gdlists.org/lists/n/nfgas@tin.it.shtml ------------------------------ From: "Rick Gebhard" Subject: Roxio 5.0 skipping trouble Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:58:00 -0500 I'm having trouble burning discs with Roxio 5.0 Platinum. The last 3-4 seconds of each track skip. Almost like each second gets played 2-3 times. If anyone out there can help, I would be very appreciative. Thanks in advance, Rick _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Mr. Groovunit" Subject: ISO: Primal Scream 3/20/00 setlist Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:16:30 -0500 Greetings All, Can anybody help mewith the setlist for the following Primal Scream show: 3/20/00 Maida Vale Studios, London, (A/FM) Thanks Dave _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: rossother1@cs.com Subject: FS: Sony D-8, 30hrs, $400, clean bill of health from Pro Digital Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:42:23 -0500 Hi all, I am looking to sell my Sony D-8 to a good home. I am asking $400.00 OBO. It has ~30hrs on the heads and is a great machine. I just sent it into Pro Digital and got it serviced for $125.00. Pro Digital gave it a clean bill of health and preformed the following services: Cleaned Heads Cleaned tape path Re-aligned heads and tape path Tightened down all screws Tested for low error rates in play and record mode I will pay for FedEx 3-day air shipping. Please e-mail me off the list with any questions. Thanks! -Ross rossother1@cs.com ------------------------------ From: "brian durham" Subject: iso stevie wonder, 7-4-73 Reply-To: durham_b@msn.com Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:15:48 -0500 hey now, i've seen the bootleg cd "higher ground" floating around on different cd and dat lists. the show is 7-4-1973, from brighton, UK. my clone was copied onto a cheap cd, and has developed jitter. looking for a new copy. any help, b&p or trade? -bry dat list: http://www.geocities.com/jadedphan/datlist.html cd-r list: http://www.geocities.com/jadedphan/cdrlist.html _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Slipkid" Subject: re: Question and Offer Reply-To: "Slipkid" Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:22:29 -0500 denny wrote: >Does any one use Quantegy DAT's? A local store carries these tapes and >purely for convenience I have been using them. yes, i use them & like them...the ones i have are the same as "AMPEX" ones that i used to use, but the company changed name/merged/something the "feel" of the tape cartridges remind me of the old KAO golds - jon - ------------------------------ From: Kurt Vogel Subject: ISO: Woven Hand / David Eugene Edwards Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:24:26 -0800 (PST) Would love to hear any of these recent Woven Hand / David Eugene Edwards (of 16 Horsepower) shows from Europe. Lots of nice 16HP to trade in return. Thanks Kurt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ From: Clancey Subject: Any experience with jacksmusicstore.com? Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:38:52 -0500 I am still looking for a good DAT>Computer device and ran across the=20 EGO=B7SYS Waveterminal U2A for $187.21 on jacksmusicstore.com. Has anyone= had=20 any experience with this company? Their price is much lower than elsewhere,= =20 so I need to know if they are reliable. Thanks for everyone's help so far! take care, Clancey "I Believe We Die Of All The Things We Hate The Most" "I Believe" - Todd Snider My SHN list: http://db.etree.org/clancey ------------------------------ From: "Jamie Lutch" Subject: Capturing bits and S/N ratio (was RE: Graham Patten DMIC-20 feedback) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:22:51 -0800 > Remember, when running a 20-bit converter into a device that is > only capturing 16-bits you are, while truncating least significant bits, > actually still capturing 16-bits until you are at approximately -18dbfs. > While you wouldn't want to record that low, recording at -8dbfs to -4dbfs > will not harm sound quality. Making up a few db by turning up > your playback > system will not compromise your recording. if you were staying at 20 bits, this is true. When you take out the least significant bits (And I believe the dmic20 just truncates them insted of doing proper dither, but I may be wrong), you are cutting the resolution to 16 bits, period. So you have 96ish dB -7 dB or whatever your margin is. The only way to preserve the dynamic range would be to write the wav as 20 bits, then normalize it to 0 dB, then dither it to 16 bit. Otherwise '20 bits' on a 16 bit device is just hype (note that the apogee ad1000 is a bit of an exception to this, as it does do proper dither using uv-22, but still peaking at or near 0dB will yield a better recording. Again, it would still be better to use the apooge without dither and write the wav at 20 bit, then normalize, then dither. but most people would rather run it on the fly than worry about getting 90 vs 96 dB of dynamic range. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 1/2/2002 ------------------------------ From: Richard Davis Subject: DA-302 Question Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:54:49 -0800 (PST) Namaste Y'all and a Happy New Year as well! Here's my problem: I use a Philips CDR-870 to burn directly from my Tascam DA-302. In the Auto track mode the Philips would track right along with the Start Ids on tape in my 302 (via the coax connections on both units). Now the Philips won't recognize the new Start IDs as they progress along a tape in my 302. The Philips WILL recognize Start IDs from a tape in my M1 (using a 7-pin>coax cable). The funny thing is that the 302 IS sending a digi signal to the Philips, it's just that as i stated before, it won't track along with what's on the dat... I have searched the archives an couldn't find anything which addresses this anomoly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. (i have tried running the 302>M1>Philips with no luck) thank you and take care richard from flagstaff BWT: first three respondants Ras Michael and the Sons of Negus 07.22.01 @ the Alley, Flagstaff AZ MG m300(ortf 10')>V2>M1 60m if you don't hear back from me, you were not amongst the first three... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ From: Matthew V Pfeil Subject: FS: SONY PCM-M1 and OADE ACTIVE 7 PIN Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:24:42 -0500 My friend is selling a Sony PCM-M1 and Oade Bros. Active 7 pin on ebay. Here are the links for those... Sony PCM-M1: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1320423932 Oade Bros. Active 7 pin --> coax cable http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1320600121 any questions should be directed to greg.young@viber.net ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ From: Bryce Hall Subject: ISO: Gravenites/Cipollina 3/18/83 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:55:07 -0700 Howdy Folks, Anyone have a copy of this show: Gravenites/Cipollina - Wheeler Auditorium, Berkeley, CA 3/18/83 It's just the two of them, and it is the BEST Cipollina I have ever heard. My cassette is 3rd Gen. I got it about 10 years ago in Eugene OR. from a guy named Dave who played bass for Little Women (as I recall). I was going to transfer my copy to DAT, but I figured I would put the feelers out for a lower gen source. If anyone can help me out I would truly appreciate it, this show really is a beautiful thing! all the best, bryce -- ------------------------------ From: "DCin10AC" Subject: Extra P&F 11/10/2001 master for trade Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:13:18 -0600 Hey folks, Had someone a while back offer to take these DATs off my hands but they never sent me anything and did not respond to my last Email inquiry, so I'm offering them up here. The show is on 2x60m Sony DG-P tapes, and is my backup deck master (recorded on a digitally patched Casio DA-7). I've transferred it to disc and am keeping the 255 masters, so I have an extra copy to unload to someone. Phil Lesh & Friends 11/10/2001 Palace Theater - Louisville, KY source: Neumann KM140 -> Sonosax SX-M2 -> Panasonic SV-255 I will consider a trade for any of the following artists: Al Green Jonell Mosser New Grass Revival, John Cowan, Sam Bush and related I don't already have Jeff Coffin Mu'Tet or VAE Diana Krall Or b&p for Sony blanks in return. I cannot clone at the moment - my home decks are out on the road and all I have here are the two portables, so there can be only one winner in this case (although I can copy discs for possible trades). Please Email me directly if interested. Thanks! Dirk ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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