DAT-heads Digest #182
Contents:
FS Sony d8 and 18v battery for stewart or sonosax with charger. ("Tim Cochrane")
Re: DATs for sale? ("kip martin")
FS: pair of MBHO 603's with cardioid capsules ("Dan Witt")
3800 & R500; Custom Cables (Klay Anderson)
European Taper Mailinglist "Dead-Center" (u2bono@t-online.de)
Digital Connection - PLEASE help ! ("Thomas Avallone")
Woody & Money... (Steven Kingsley)
FS:TEAC RW-D250 Dual Deck CD Burner ("Michael guess")
FS: Lunatec V2, sony 7-pin (clint morrison)
Re: Woody & Money... (L Sean Kennedy)
thinking of selling DAP1 ( Cash/Trade ) (Schwigiddy)
Looking for Black Sabbath Mars Music Amphitheatre 2001 (HAJO STEFFEN)
ISO: Box Set Shows (Wayne Brissette)
VANILLA FUDGE ("john e. bogus")
Re: Woody & Money... ("kip martin")
Re: Woody & Money... (L Sean Kennedy)
datport for sale (Cjyellow@aol.com)
mccoy tyner @ yoshis (james tierney)
Re: cash for DATs ("kip martin")
Re: cash for DATs (Seth Breidbart)
From: "Tim Cochrane" <tim@showtimeskis.com>
Subject: FS Sony d8 and 18v battery for stewart or sonosax with charger.
Reply-To: <tim@showtimeskis.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:38:15 -0500
For sale-
Sony D8 around 250 hours on the heads. About 1/2 60m tapes 1/2 90m tapes.
Used only as a record deck in the field that was always hooked to my sbm1 so
the jacks have no wear.
I have an extra battery for (6v 12ah) it that i will give you, but no extra
charger.
I would like to get 325 for the deck and battery. I need payment by Jan 24.
Also-
18v Battery that will run 2 stewart boxes for a long time. If you run
earthworks or any other high current draw mic with the stewarts this will
save you money on 9v batterys. Comes with charger and all necesary cables
to get everything done.
85.00 battery for both boxes, cables, and charger.
thanks for the bandwith.
Tim
From: "kip martin" <onefourfive@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: DATs for sale?
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:33:42 -0500
hey all
>Looking to get blanks or cash for the following tapes
>SCI 1/3/97 90m
>SCI 3/20/97 90m
>SCI 11/13/97 2x60m
>SCI 11/15/97 2x60m
>SCI 11/17/97 90m
etc
blanks or CASH? hmmm...i was under the impression that selling shows was a
bit unethical. am i missing something here? i hope i am!
kip
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From: "Dan Witt" <Warren_Oates@msn.com>
Subject: FS: pair of MBHO 603's with cardioid capsules
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:57:05 -0600
These mics are sensitive enough to go line in without a preamp, for rock
show recording. I'll throw in a pair of light duty wind screens and AT
shockmounts. Excellent condition. Asking 1000.00 or best offer. Email me
if interested.
Dan Witt
From: Klay Anderson <klay@klay.com>
Subject: 3800 & R500; Custom Cables
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:00:49 -0700
"Jason S. Fitz" <jsfitz@acedsl.com>
Subject: Panasonic SV-3800 vs. Sony PCM-R500
Asked:
> I have read all of the specifications and have experience with the SV-3800 - I
> think it sounds great overall, but I'm wondering if Sony's 4 drive motor
> improves tape handling and if the SBM 20-bit sound is better
>
The 3800 has been discontinued as of a few years ago, as have all Panasonic
decks and pretty much the whole dreadful Ramsa line as well. The 500 is
still very viable and the 4 motors will treat your tapes nicer. The SBM
is a useful feature in the analog mode. Note that you may not hear much
difference recording Phish at 10 vs., say, classical music. SBM really
shines in low-level stuff like reverb tails and ambience.
Additionally:
> Also, where could I get a cable 5-pin XLRF (balanced) to mini-stereo male
> (unbalanced) - are there any issues with going from balanced to unbalanced
> like that?
Order the cable from us; we make some of the best in virtually any length.
There is no problem in the wiring conversion as long as it is done
correctly.
Note that aside from a slightly smoother high end response
specification-wise on the more expensive mic, the AT822 & AT825 are
virtually identical.
Thanks!
--
Regards,
Klay Anderson, D.A.,Q.B.E.
Klay Anderson Audio, Inc.
http://www.klay.com
1.800.FOR.KLAY
From: u2bono@t-online.de
Subject: European Taper Mailinglist "Dead-Center"
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:06:51 +0100 (MET)
hi!
i've set up a mailing list for european tapers mainly at
yahoogroups.com. if you want to join this group please send a mail to
the following adress:
dmsounds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
this mailinglist is as i said for tapers. it should be a plattform for
european bootleggers to comunicate and talk about mics, dats, mds,
tapersections, venue infos and whatsoever!. we've also set up an
european database for tapers which includes all the important info you
need of several popular venues in europe!.
please keep in mind that this is a taper-list not a trader-list. there
are a lot of those and i do not want to see our list going into that
direction!.
right now we are 68 tapers and still counting :).
alex
moderator
From: "Thomas Avallone" <tav2367@msn.com>
Subject: Digital Connection - PLEASE help !
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:08:38 +0000
Laugh if you will - But I just purchsed a "Klone Shielded 7 Pin
input/output" digital connection to clone from my D100. I have digital
input/output on my Tascam with female sockets, but my 7 pin connection cord
ALSO has female plugs ! Do I need to purchase another patch cord with MALE
RCA plugs to connect everything ??? And is this not serving the 'all
digital' purpose I want ???
Tom
"I've heard there's joy untold
Lays open like a road
In front of me"
~ PJ Harvey
http://www.tav2367.20m.com/
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From: Steven Kingsley <eskay@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Woody & Money...
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:09:21 -0500
Haven't said Boo in a while, so Happy New year to all of you.
While I acknowledge that there is good intention behind the fund & Boca Bob,
I agree with Jeff Frank. Mixing the music & the money strikes a weird chord
with me. Might be like opening a large can of worms, thinking it was a can
of something really cool. Do what you wish & what you feel is right, but
personally I would ask permission from the artist. If they are less that
thrilled about it, who knows what could take place.
Just my 2 cents.
Steve
From: "Michael guess" <pullthestring9@hotmail.com>
Subject: FS:TEAC RW-D250 Dual Deck CD Burner
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:15:35 -0700
Greetings all
selling thru ebay my TEAC RW-D250 Dual Deck CD Burner
purchased new a little over a year ago. Includes all original manuals and
accessories. street price is $350. My reserve is $200.
follow this link to the ebay page.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1322698233
Reason for selling?
Life goes on. Oubla di-Oubla da
thanx for the space
Michael in Sun City
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From: clint morrison <panictaper@yahoo.com>
Subject: FS: Lunatec V2, sony 7-pin
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:23:18 -0800 (PST)
I still have my mint condition lunatec v2 for sale.
It is sitting boxed up right now with manuals,
ecocharge battery, and ecocharge cable...ready to be
shipped out! I am looking to get $1000 for the set.
Please get in touch if interested.
I also have a sony 7-pin in/out optical toslink cable
that I am looking to sell. $65
Thanks,
Ben
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From: L Sean Kennedy <liam@fedney.org>
Subject: Re: Woody & Money...
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:13:16 -0500
Hi,
Since there are two current threads about DATs
and money, I feel a need to weigh in.
Unfortunately this is long, but perhaps the
perspective is different.
A essential point is that DAT-heads is completely
uncensored, so anything posted by someone who can
send plain text and subscribe to the digest or
dat-heads-post will get there. However, some
activities are frowned upon. The membership
serves as our early-warning system and is
apparently effective. Fundraising for a charity
cause is not something that is cut and dry.
I do not personally feel there is anything
directly wrong with what Bob Silva is doing.
In fact its admirable in concept, but perhaps
less well communicated. After watching
local public television hit up DEADHEAD charity
(with GD blessing) for years w/o providing
follow-on programming outside of pledge drives,
this is far more admirable as it is supporting the
kin of someone we have benefited from. Structured
correctly, it is probably something that Phil would
support.
Were Bob or someone to consider this again,
a better way to communicate it would be
to mention that you personally are raising
money for a cause, specify a total pledge goal,
and offer to reward those contributing to
that charity a with DATs/CDs. Discussion
of individual pledges or requested donation
should be done in private email. Offer that
when the pledge goal is reached, you will
provide the seed for a tree. Communications
should be succinct and direct. Especially
responses to those who challenge your
goals -- either private responses, or very
to the point (quoting leads to flames here).
Ask the charity for a confirmation that they
received the donation and post that on the web.
Individual donor addresses and amounts should
also be provided to the charity so the
donors can properly claim the donation on their
taxes.
Even with such an effort there it may still provoke
some sentiment against your efforts that you must
counter rationally. There is still the possibility
that you may run afoul of some band or the RIAA. If
you still want to raise money for charity on DAT-
heads, I will not object unless it becomes a frequent
distraction or is no longer grass-roots (ie
greenpeace itself), but others may and have a
right to be heard without taking it as a
personal attack.
Anyway, all opinions are welcome, but I
wanted to add some contrast to the
discussion about Bob's offer. I do applaud
his effort and hope those participating
are satisfied. I do hope that Bob will
provide us with a succint follow up when
the donations are submitted to the foundation.
Perhaps a different tactic than "drastic moves"
can be used next time as that clearly
ran afoul of some sentiment on DAT-heads.
======
People do sell their collections on DAT-heads.
There has been some discussion and consensus on
this. This should be somewhat infrequent, should
never be for more than the current cost of blanks
(and generally less with perhaps the recipient
paying shipping). I do not think anyone has
broken this code, but unless you are liquidating
your collection I suggest you offer up small
numbers of shows only for "blanks and postage."
DAT for CDR exchange should add up hourwise,
not costwise (seems to be consensus). Please do
not list up collections on EBay and announce them
here or I will personally flame you.
Sean
From: Schwigiddy <gear4sale4u@yahoo.com>
Subject: thinking of selling DAP1 ( Cash/Trade )
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:17:51 -0800 (PST)
i have a Tascam DAP1
wonderful condition
owners manual
also think i have the carring case
Pro-Digital power cell to run DAP1 for 10hrs
plus charger
will take cash or cash & trade for these items.
will also throw in a real nice bag to carry everything
and a 75ohm digi cable for free.......
for cash :
800.00$ obo for the DAP1
150.00$ obo for the charger
for trade :
600.00$ & used M1 or Home Deck for
DAP1,Power Cell(10hrs),bag & digi cable
obo.....
all serious offers considered....
take care,
Rick-
aka Schwigiddy
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From: Hajo.Steffen@t-online.de (HAJO STEFFEN)
Subject: Looking for Black Sabbath Mars Music Amphitheatre 2001
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:29:50 +0100
Hi DAT-Heads,
- I´m looking for the following Black Sabbath show and I´m sure that someone
from this list can:
2001 July 13 "Mars Music Amphitheatre" West Palm Beach FL. USA
Who can help and is interested to trade this for something from my list
http://home.t-online.de/home/hajo.steffen/booties.htm
I´m also open for a bigger trade......
Cheers,
Hajo
From: Wayne Brissette <wbrisett@citystar.com>
Subject: ISO: Box Set Shows
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:40:11 -0600
I rarely see anybody with Box Set tapes on their lists. They tour so
little outside California these days, I'm wondering if anybody has been
taping either the Box Set duo shows or Box Set (band) shows. If so, and
if your willing to do a trade or two (or B&P), drop me a line.
Peace,
Wayne
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From: "john e. bogus" <mallness@surfbest.net>
Subject: VANILLA FUDGE
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:36:59 -0500
Who else here is interested in tapes of Vanilla Fudge? This classic heavy
band recently toured in the fall, I taped the show at Jaxx on 9/1/01....any
other tapes floating around from that 10 show tour? Anyone else gonna tape
the current run of shows?
1/18/01 Stone Pony, Asbury Park, NJ
1/25/01 Stone Pony, Asbury Park, NJ
1/26/01 Jaxx, Springfield, VA
1/28/01 BB King's, NYC
I'll be at Jaxx again on the 26th....
One of the Stone Pony shows *might* be taped by someone I know, but would
like to see the NJ/NYC shows taped *for sure*.....anyone else on board for
these?
Thanks for the posting,
john e. bogus
mallness@surfbest.net
From: "kip martin" <onefourfive@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Woody & Money...
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:52:19 -0500
hi
>People do sell their collections on DAT-heads.
as a member of a couple bands who have been taped and traded somewhat
frequently, i object to this practice. strenuously. if selling involves cash
without artist knowledge, it sucks. i support and encourage taping at my
performances, but ANY income resulting from our performances (venue profits,
consessions, management fees, etc.) should be rooted in an agreement with
the band, and NOT done without artist consent.
i have heard folks voice the "once its in the air its the peoples' property"
thing, but i just disagree. most bluegrass musicians i know--even in touring
bands--live on less money than most. selling something i made (our
performance of our material) for crass material gain doesnt take money out
of my pocket necessarily, but if money is to be made on our performance,
dont you think we should gain from it also?
if you dont, youre worse than the record companies.
>selling [of shows] should never be for more than the current cost of blanks
>(and generally less with perhaps the recipient paying shipping).
agreed.
>Please do not list up collections on EBay and announce them here or I will
>personally flame
>you
and you'll probably get bagged.
thats my rant for the day.
kip martin
bassist w/ mike auldridge
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From: L Sean Kennedy <liam@fedney.org>
Subject: Re: Woody & Money...
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:42:00 -0500
As there is so much to agree with in Kip's
message, I have specifically asked him to
clarify a few areas of his comments to the
list and am trying to set him up in this
message.
I would like to focus only on the reimbursment
of cost of the media in a collection and whether
he objects to that. Rough consensus on
DAT-heads tends to favor such exchanges when
someone absolutely must get rid of their collection
over just throwing it away (B&P strongly
preferred). It is not an area free of debate, but
I know of nobody ever going beyond media costs*.
The concerns of a musician about tapers
profiting from them are absolutely valid,
but such profiting is not tolerated at all
on DAT-heads and that discussion obscures
Kip's critique on how we do things. It
is an important opinion and should be clarified.
* The current charity issue not withstanding
which is a different complex ball of wax. I would
welcome Kip's comments on my personal advice
that I have offered for debate. Those are the
cases where someone is offering to give a present
to someone who makes a donation to a charity with
personal meaing. This is presumably coming *at*
expense to the person posting and I suggested that
no specific mention of money aside from your goal
be made to the list. Hopefully the person
donating is doing so because they share your
interest in that charity, not just for the
music. Its this sense of exchange which is the
specific flaw of Bob's offer.
Thanks,
Sean
From: Cjyellow@aol.com
Subject: datport for sale
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:51:03 EST
i just got a new laptop with xp, so the datport has to go. this has been
babied by me since new. it's a coax (rca spdif) in and out>usb convertor
that is a little bigger than a cassette tape. it allows for bit accurate
copies and transfers up to 48khz. includes original box, manuals and
drivers. mac drivers can be downloaded from the web....WILL NOT WORK WITH
XP!!!!!!!
here is the link to the sale:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1322546804
thanks!
steve
WOB- b/p of my source for trey 02.26.01 (not circulated) on 1x90m
mg300>stewart bps>sbm1>d7
From: james tierney <grizzly@ne.mediaone.net>
Subject: mccoy tyner @ yoshis
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:09:59 -0500
Is anyone taping McCoy Tyner Trio @ yoshis January 29 - February 3? He's
featuring Ron carter on bass and harvey mason on drums... Please let me
know if you're going to have copies of this show. McCoy Tyner and Ron
Carter together... oooh so good!
peace
james
From: "kip martin" <onefourfive@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: cash for DATs
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:13:05 -0500
hi again
let me first state unequivocably that i believe tape trading is a GOOD
THING. with that in mind...
>I would like to focus only on the reimbursment of cost of the media in a
>collection and whether he objects to that.
when a person has 50 shows on DAT and then moves them over to CDR, should he
be 'reimbursed' for the media? the transfer of monetary funds bothers me,
personally. for several reasons:
first of all, if someone like tim obrien (who also peruses these lists) saw
his tapes for sale for ANY reason, i know he would hit the ceiling and maybe
pull the plug. so, your attempt to recoup media costs may end up damaging
the taper scene. ron mccoury is 'officially' against taping but turns his
head and apparently doesnt see booms and guys with headphones in the AUD or
at the SBD. he has been known to check out bluegrassbox.com, and nashphil's
great sites. and since he collects DATs, he (or DMB's people, for that
matter) could easily venture over to dat-heads. hope no one is 'recouping
media costs' if he's checking out the list.
secondly, you have to ask: would that person buy that 'used' media if it
were blank? probably not. reformatted (wiped)? probably not. how much is a
used DAT of indeterminate age and wear worth? lets be clear: people are
buying the music. simple as that.
NOTE: i know theres a huge market for used CDs that are bought and sold with
no remuneration to the artists. i find that less than ethical, too. trading,
in my book is a much better, more ethical practice.
and finally, the industry is at wits end with us digital domain trader types
and they absolutely check on ebay, peer-to-peer networks, etc for copyright
violators. i think the spector of cash trading hands here would be an
overly-complex pill for the music industry weasels to swallow. i can
envision sony having an injunction slapped on a list. we used to think
napster was going to get away with it (i supported napster), and then when
they got bagged, i figured that bearshare, audioquest, etc would be immune.
but now they are starting to feel the heat, too. so, the questio is: how
long before a record company, the RIAA, or even DMB's folks crack down on
things?
i believe VERY strongly in dat-heads and its offspring and cousins
(JAMGRASS, EAC list, ShadyGrove, SHN-BIN, etc.). i also subscribe to the
'dark side' (BOOTLEGLIST, BOOTLEG-MD, TAPER-UNFRIENDLY, etc), and as long as
they dont exchange money, they will probably be able to stay under the
radar. personally, i subscribe to them all.
>Rough consensus on DAT-heads tends to favor such exchanges when someone
>absolutely must get rid of their collection over just throwing it away (B&P
>strongly preferred).
B&P is MUCH prefered by this musician and fellow tape/CDR taper.
SUMMARY:
these trades should be handled like ALL ethical trades: either by music
trade or B&P. asking for money is wrong, and its also asking for trouble.
CAVEAT:
im open minded. so dont anyone fly off the handle and flame me as if im a
copyright nazi. i consider it an honor to be taped. when i see someone
taping my show, i know my performance will reach beyond the walls of the
concert venue.
thanks
kip martin
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From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: cash for DATs
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:45:34 -0500 (EST)
> when a person has 50 shows on DAT and then moves them over to CDR,
> should he be 'reimbursed' for the media? the transfer of monetary
> funds bothers me, personally.
Me, too, but what about this trick:
1. Somebody has a lot of dats he wants to get rid of, so he offers
them for b&p. He keeps the new dats he receives, and ships off his
dats. No problem, right?
2. He now has a bunch of new, blank dats, which he sells. No problem,
right?
Seth
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