DAT-heads Digest #186, Volume #6 Sat, 19 Jan 02 01:50:01 EST Contents: extra discs (dwb) Re: Windows 2k Pro and Delta Dio 2496 ("Matt") alea m1 for sale (Les Gordon) YEAH-baby! MiniMe will kill the AD2K ("Joseph McDuffy") Miles Davis anyone? (John Fink Jr) Hallelulah! (Bob Siegl) Starsailor in Seattle--Mis-track ("Steve and Jen Robinson") david gilmour tour and New Order Australia (GaoBest@aol.com) david gilmour ("Slipkid") on the subject of selling dat tapes ("Will Foy") FS: taping enabled laptop ("Jamie Lutch") Looking for Bridge Concerts 2000 & 2001 (Tom Semans) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dwb Subject: extra discs Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:20:23 -0500 burned these 4 discs in error for a trade: Ornette coleman w/prime time Berlin 5 june 88 Miles davis w/shorter, hancock, carter, Williams Paris 6 nov 67 Miles davis w/shorter, corea, Holland, dejohnette Paris 3 nov 69 Eric dolphy w/dutch musicians Hilversum Holland 2 june 64 for trade or blanks ------------------------------ From: "Matt" Subject: Re: Windows 2k Pro and Delta Dio 2496 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:24:46 -0700 Andrew, from your post, I'm guessing you ran Win2k install and upgraded an older OS (Win9x or NT4). While the Win2k installer lets you do this, it's fairly common knowledge in the PC industry (my biz) that this is not the ideal way to go. It's always better to do a fresh install, to a new directory. This gives you the option of booting back into your old OS through the boot menu if you need to, and a fresh start with Win2k. Strange things just not working seems to be a typical situation in an upgrade which is why I figured you went that way. I recommend if you did, to do a new clean install to a new directory and see if things go smoother. It's more trouble initially, but usually less in the long run. Good luck! Matt PS I'd love that MM show, I'll contact you off-list about that ===== Original Message ===== > From: Andrew Fogelsong > Subject: Windows 2k Pro and Delta Dio 2496 > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:41:41 -0600 > > Yesterday, I installed 2k Pro on my Dell Dimension 4100 866 MHz, 512MB > RAM. During the installation process, it let me know what hardware and > software I might have problems with. Hardware problems were my > printer(upgrading drivers fixed that), the Delta Dio 2496, and the Intel > 82801BA/BAM SMBus Controller - 2443. Software problems were > WinDVD(reinstalled, now working), Delta H/W program(which is what you use > to control the card, such as settings levels, sampling rates, etc...), > SmartFTP(reinstalled, now working), and 3Com NIC Doctor(network card > software. I found new drivers for it, and it works now.) I have spent > about four hours taking out the card, uninstalling it, reinstalling it > with the drivers on www.midiman.com, and none of the combinations seem to > work. Whenever I reinstall it, I bring up Delta H/W, and it says "unable > to find audio hardware". If I go to the device manager, the device > status says "This device cannot start. (Code 10)" I follow the > troubleshooter's instructions, which are exactly what I had been doing > and it doesn't work. Is there anyone who can tell me what the Intel > 82801BA/BAM SMBus Controller - 2443 is, and if it affects the Delta Dio? > What should I do? I've tried everything I can think of, but nothing > seems to work. > > Thanks, > Andrew > > BWT: I'll upload this show to one person's FTP - > Modest Mouse 9/20/01 Stubb's; Austin, TX > SBD>D8>M1>M1 DAT-M>Delta Dio 2496>WAV>SHN > first reply after this digest hits my mailbox > ________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Les Gordon Subject: alea m1 for sale Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:32:36 -0500 (EST) hello, i am selling 1 alea m1. with 1 40x plextor reader and 1 plextor 12x writer. this unit is a demo and is in perfect condition. $475 delivered. originally retails for $1,095 if you have any questions email me or call (877)289-2377 thank you les. QUESTIONS REGARDING, VIDEO TAPES TRANSFERED TO *DVD* CUSTOM COLOR CD/DVD PRINTING & DUPLICATION http://www.recordableneeds.com BLANK CDR MEDIA & SUPPLIES http://www.cdrecordable.com phone orders, (877)289-2377 email, lesg@cd-recordable.com CDR TRADE LIST http://www.geocities.com/mistercdr ------------------------------ From: "Joseph McDuffy" Subject: YEAH-baby! MiniMe will kill the AD2K Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:51:58 +0000 I just called Apogee and they said the MiniMe will ship in 90 days and will cost $1395.00!!!! That's SO cheap for all that it does, and I was about to buy a used AD1000 from a friend - SO glad I waited. And, Will...so much for the AD2K - WAY over-priced one trick ponies are soon to be history! One Milllliiion Dollars! ;) Peas - Joe ================= From: "Will Herrmann" Subject: Apogee Mini-Me Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:51:06 -0500 Hey folks. Just checked out the link below on Apogee's new 24 bit portable Pre/AD, the Mini-Me. Anyone have any experience with this unit? I'm curious how it compares to the AD2K+. With a substantially lower price tag (not to mention the built-in preamp), it looks like a great piece of gear. Check it out: http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/prod_minime.html _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: John Fink Jr Subject: Miles Davis anyone? Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:40:48 -0500 Hi! If anyone is interested in trading Miles Davis shows, please contact me privately, Be Well, John ------------------------------ From: Bob Siegl Subject: Hallelulah! Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:07:02 -0800 (PST) All praise be to Stuart! I am really tired of this too, but I can't contain myself anymore (plus it's FRIDAY).I dont know about the majority of Tapers on the list, but I also am field recording, 90% of the time, WITHOUT the expressed permission (or invitation for that matter) of the performer. I have been doing this for a pretty long time - and I do not do it to "spread the music, man". I record shows, so I can listen to them. If you want to listen to them too, I'm happy to arrange that with you. But I'm NOT going to "kick it down"... not to a stranger on an internet trading list anyway. I kick it down to my brother, ya know? I got sooooo frustrated a few years ago, and wound up unsubscribing for some time because a bunch of tapers piled on top of some guy who wanted to sell his cassette collection so he could get DATs instead. It was, like, against some moral code of taping bra... WHEN DID THIS START? (seriosly, when?)NOT WITH ELVIS, that's for sure! Led Zeppelin? - probably not then either (my guess would be the mid nineties, but that's another story..). Yeah, maybe he could have traded them for DATs instead of get $2 each, who cares? Maybe it's like the MORMONS, you know - if your gonna do it, don't do it with other MORMONS around or you'll get flamed! Instead of whining and preaching about who makes a DOLLAR on HIS CRUSTY OLD WANG DAT that he doesn't need anymore, because he's transfered it - and 1000 like it - I PROPOSE WE TRACK DOWN THE CREEPS THAT GAVE OUR KIND UP FRONTS *TITLES* on jo-blows bootleg internet website tapelist! Let's worry about that!! Maybe we should be a bit more discriminating. Really guys, if a taper transfers all of his DATs to disc, do you really think this guy wants hundreds (or thousands) of blank tapes back? Or discs for that matter? Where the heck do ya keep them to start with? (by the way, i have nothing against mormons, i was just reminded of the joke.... how do you keep a mormon from drinking all of your beer on a fishing trip? BRING TWO OF THEM) So now, I too, must apologise for taking up lots of bandwidth. Sorry, but as primitive as it may sound, sometimes it is more interesting to be a part of an argument that to read 7 entries about soundblaster. ha ha Adios __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ From: "Steve and Jen Robinson" Subject: Starsailor in Seattle--Mis-track Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:42:16 -0800 I was taping this show last night for a friend and I came home with blank space. This is only the second time in 7 years using DAT that it's happened. The last time it happened, another friend was rolling tape as well. I'm trying to find out if anyone else was there at the show. If so, I'd love to get your Starsailor. I taped the lead singer at the in-store earlier in the day and also the Charlatans that night. D8-pa6lc-ss Thanks! ------------------------------ From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: david gilmour tour and New Order Australia Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:02:18 EST Hi everyone Is anybody taping the DGilmour shows - I have a great clone of the Meltdown performance... I'm unable to trade now but I know that anyone taping the Gilmour will be very popular in various circles. I know there are better tapers on this forum than the Pink Floyd fan ones, so I figure to ask here. of course loads of PF and non-PF to trade, etc., and if we can get some Gilmour swaps then B/P would be definite for May or June. Also final reminder and pleads for people to tape New Order in Australia in Jan/Feb this year, those big Day Out and small gigs will be fantastic, you'll be very glad you did it. bwt: various New Order show clones for b/p, but at least 30-120 days dating due to a very hectic schedule (sorry), leaning more towards 120 than 30. Cheers Michael Siou ------------------------------ From: "Slipkid" Subject: david gilmour Reply-To: "Slipkid" Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:31:14 -0500 anyone out there taping gilmour's shows at the royal albert hall tonight (& the 16th + 17th)??? would like to trade for the shows! thanks, - jon - slipkid@voicenet.com surf me at: http://www.voicenet.com/~slipkid ------------------------------ From: "Will Foy" Subject: on the subject of selling dat tapes Reply-To: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 22:23:17 -0500 There are a lot of pro's and con's to the "sale" of recorded media, ie, used shows. Let me ask a question.... I'm in the process of converting all of my DAT archives, mostly master tapes, to CDR and SHN. I've always tried to maintain an ethical taper stance, to the point of policing ebay auctions when possible for stuff I've treed or traded out into the wild that ends up in the hands of the less clued in members of music-fandom who try to sell things for a profit. However, as I archive these tapes to a more stable medium, they continue to take up space in my small home. Moreover, I'm not likely to use the DAT's again in the collection. What I'd personally rather do is get them to someone who can use them in the DAT format. Some would argue that I should give them away, and certainly there's a part of me that would love to do that. However, I also feel like I'm not making a profit to ask someone to pay what would be my CURRENT cost for blanks, and current shipping rates to cover the costs incurred to get someone the media. Let me offer an example. This morning, I finished burning my final SHN disc of all of my Gibb Droll and related material shows. I now have around 10-15 [ don't know off the top of my head, as I'm at work now. ] DAT tapes that could collect dust in my dat racks until they disintegrate into nothingness, or could go to someone who'll use and appreciate them as I have. Let's say I compare prices at 3 common vendors to the dat-heads community for my media, Kao Gold, Maxell, Fuji, and Sony. I take the lowest price of the three, let's say it's 2.00 for the sake of argument only. I could be even more specific and determine price of each brand and each tape length. However, let's say that the lowest price for ANY of the brands and the lowest price for comparable [ say, 60m, and 90m ] is $2.... Again this is for the sake of argument. Now, let's assume that someone takes an offer I might make to take these tapes off my hands. If Jack Decker takes my offer, and lives in CA, he could order replacement blanks to refill my collection, pay shipping to get them shipped to his location in CA, then pay to ship the whole thing to Lewisville, NC [ where I live ], etc. OR, what I propose as an alternative to all this, take the cost that he'd pay as his lowest price, and take the cost that I would incur at the postal service, or comparable carrier [ if for example UPS 3 day select is cheaper ], so let's say we're talking about 20 dat tapes, and the cost to send that is 5.00 bucks [ i'm making this up, so the numbers may be completely wrong. sue me. wait, please don't! ], so under this example, if it's 2 bucks a tape at the lowest rate x 20 = 40, plus 5 dollars of actual shipping cost incurred... why NOT allow Jack to send $45, saving several layers of middlemen. there's no profit here. i sold the media at cost [ at cost means there's no profit ]. i shipped the media to the person at cost [ again, a literal zero difference between what the postal service charged me to ship 20 dats to a person in CA. ]. add zero profit to zero profit, and... you've got zero profit. why is this scenario a hard pill to swallow for the dat-heads community? my suspicion is that the concept of money EVER entering the equation of our trading "bylaws" is something that somehow corrupts the process. i disagree. my thinking is that if we can document that no profit was ever gained, then we've done no wrong, either legally or ethically. if no profit was gained, then has the artist been wronged in some way [ which is really what copyright is designed to protect... the rights of artists, as well as that of the public ]? no. if no profit was gained, has the label or other commercial interest been wronged? no. why then, is there much knashing of teeth and renting of clothing over this issue? i have seen some posts on the list advocating or requesting to sell off a collection at the cost that was paid at the time... THIS is where we enter a gray area. why? because historical cost may not equal current cost. in my scenario above, a collection is sold at current cost, emulating a transaction involving blanks for recorded media, ie, a Blanks and postage offer, but in terms of the actual current cash costs of said blanks and postage. in practice, there are many times where i've helped out a newbie trader who would normally send me an overpriced dat blank he bought for 12 bucks at his local musician's shop and postage, by instead saying, tell ya what... i paid 2.65 for a 60meter blank from terrapin and i'll cost you 77 cents to mail that package to me, so send me 3.42, and we'll call it even. no one was hurt by this exchange of cash. in historical terms, cash is meant to replace an ever-more-complex barter system that humanity devised to exchange goods and services for other goods and services. cash became merely another good. so, why then, do we object to using cash in a strictly-not-for-profit situation? some members of the list may believe differently than i, that i've committed a great wrong to the concept of trading by saying some poor college student or whomever can send me the cash equivalent of blanks and postage, down to the cent. they're entitled to that opinion. however, i'd rather gain a fan for the concept of non-profit exchanges of live music than risk allowing him or her to become frustrated and enter the black market of sales of live music. in my opinion, the way i see it, which may be different from others' opnions, it boils down to common sense. if one can show that currently, it costs $X.yy to ship a package containing n recorded tapes, and it currently costs no less than $d.cc for those recorded tapes as if they were blanks... then why not allow the "sale" [ there's NO profit there! ] of those tapes. to put it another way... i could take this set of 15 dat tapes that contain music, erase them all. they're blank tapes. most of them as masters, are single-use one-pass tapes, meaning, i recorded them, played them back once so i could record them to cd and shn, and erased them. what's a one-pass tape go for these days? i could then sell those tapes, as one-pass tapes... there'd be no ethical question at all on this issue. the music's removed, so, there's NO legal question here. it's a simple good. what's the difference in determining what the cost of that media, as a one-pass tape is, and multiplying that by the exact number of tapes, adding the cost of shipping and asking for that? i see none whatsoever. in this case, at least the music can be passed along at cost to someone else who might enjoy it. however, i do welcome comments on this. i'd love to hear a constructive argument on why this is either illegal or unethical. "To strive, to seek, to find; and not to yield" - Tennyson Will Foy willfoy@pobox.com will.home http://birksncap.csoft.net JumpLittleChildrenNilLaraAngieAparoEdwinMcCainBenHarper/ \ GibbDrollEddieFromOhioEverythingAgentsOfGoodRootsRush |e:| TimReynoldsMMWFlecktonesDMBVerticalHorizonBluesTraveler\__/ ------------------------------ From: "Jamie Lutch" Subject: FS: taping enabled laptop Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:10:45 -0800 Hi all, I have for sale a 3lb toshiba subnotebook that I have used to tape 24-bit in the field, also makes a great transfer setup (30W power consumption), You can leave it hooked up to my dat and transfer all day long. Tested bit accurate at 16&24 bit Includes an external li-ion battery that runs it for 8-9 hours in the section. Great toy to take on tour. Tape the show, edit & burn cd's in hotel.. email me for details if interested thanks, jamie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 1/11/2002 ------------------------------ From: Tom Semans Subject: Looking for Bridge Concerts 2000 & 2001 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:31:13 -0500 Hey there! I've been out of the trading loop for a while now, and am now finding myself with the time to to do a few trades. I can do either dat or cdr, and have a substantial collection of music to trade with. One of my "sub" hobbies is collecting the Bridge Concerts held each fall at Shoreline Amphitheatre. If anyone can help me with these it would be most appreciated. I'm also up for other music, as my tastes range quite a bit. Your list will get mine! Thanks, Tom aka Music Arcade WOBT: Todd Snider & the Nervous Wrecks @ Smiths Olde Bar, Atlanta GA 3.6.98 on cd-r (from my Master) First 2 b&p PS: Cindy- you out there? I lost your e-mail addy! "You reach a certain age where you're not waiting for the man you're gonna become...you better start being the man you want to be" Bruce Springsteen ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. Problems or questions about a subscription should be addressed via these avenues and then if needed to dat-heads-owner@datheads.phish.net or postmaster@datheads.phish.net never the list itself You can submit a message for inclusion in the next digest via this address: Internet: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net Archives of DAT-Heads digests and related files are available on the DAT-Heads home page: http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/ End of DAT-Heads Digest ******************************