DAT-heads Digest #188, Volume #6 Sun, 20 Jan 02 03:50:01 EST Contents: Re: DAT-heads Digest #186 (Scott C. Brown) RE: MiniMe will kill the AD2K (Alex Prestin) Seattle taper wanted ("Daniel Mahoney") 1st taping experience with mics: cast iron filter (William Draper) ISO:Ramblin' Jack Elliott on CD-R or DAT ISO: Good Portable Preamp ~$300 ("mrcool") DATs for sale? ("kip") FS: Sony D-8, $375, 30hrs, Clean bill of health from Por Digital (rossother1@cs.com) cd wave editor ("Alan Kayser") P.O.D. Munich/Germany 01/19/02 (BlackCrowes@gmx.net) FS: AD1000 (AGROSKIN@aol.com) ISO: Van Morrison Supper Club Shows (Paul & Jen Beichert) ISO: THE WORD, North Mississippi Allstars, and Robert Randolph shows ("Mincey, Patrick") FS: Hafler 9300 transnova amp, needs $185 fix, via ebay: 2 days left (Jesse Lackey) Hafler 9300 is in new york city (Jesse Lackey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott.C.Brown@Dartmouth.EDU (Scott C. Brown) Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #186 Reply-To: Scott.C.Brown@Dartmouth.EDU (scb) Date: 19 Jan 2002 05:11:38 EST --- Joseph McDuffy wrote: I just called Apogee and they said the MiniMe will ship in 90 days and will cost $1395.00!!!! That's SO cheap for all that it does, and I was about to buy a used AD1000 from a friend - SO glad I waited. And, Will...so much for the AD2K - WAY over-priced one trick ponies are soon to be history! --- end of quote --- Well the Sound Devices USBPre has better specs, so until we hear this Apogee unit I don't see what all the fuss is about scott ------------------------------ From: Alex Prestin Subject: RE: MiniMe will kill the AD2K Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 05:50:35 -0500 (EST) > From: "Jamie Lutch" > > granted the ad2k doesnt have a mic pre, but most apogee users prefer an > external preamp to the ad1000's preamp anyway. Do you think the front-end of > the mini-me is gonna be any better, when it has a lower dynamic range spec > than the ad1000? esp. for $1395 (~$1100 list?). Thats about the price of a > used ad1000, which sounds the same (or better?). The 24-bit isnt gonna do > much good with 93 dB of dynamic range, so what does this really offer over > the ad1000? > > Only our ears will tell, but I think it would be fair to say the mini-me > will probably kill anything _in its class_ (adc-20,rme multiface, edirol, > etc), but the ad1000 and the ad2k are designed as _reference_ units, where > the mini-me looks to sacrifice quality to appeal to a different market. I don't know about that. It's got an updated mic pre which they claim is better than the AD1K's. (It isn't hard to imagine; the AD1K's design is old now.) It's got a higher-resolution ADC with the same UV22 conversion to 16-bit which helps the 1K sound the way it does to no small extent. One could argue that maybe the AD quality itself was sacrificed for the sake of affordability, but why would Apogee claim the Me's ADC is superior to the 1K? The lie would be easy to spot, as lesser components are pretty much an objective measurement. Perhaps Apogee is planning on selling *many* more of these units than they did AD1000s. "Anyone planning on setting up a taping rig", perhaps? We're in the middle of a live-recording "era", it would seem, with the jamband scene being as big as it is right now. Maybe Apogee is planning on roping in everyone planning on putting together a top-end taping rig for *much* less money than is possible today OR upgrading? Think of this: prior to its announcement, the best you could do to obtain a top-quality signal chain from mics to DAT/Laptop was to purchase an AD1K ($1500-1600 or so) or an AD2K + "high end" mic pre ($3000 or so!) and a VXPocket (if you're taping with a laptop) ($600). Now, you get everything to make tapes with equivalent or better quality for $1395 (even if you tape with a laptop!) What taper thinking of putting together a 1K- or 2K+-based rig wouldn't jump all over that if the promises hold true? For that matter, what taper with a "mid-range" rig wouldn't at least *be considering* upgrading, now that everything's SO MUCH more affordable? If Apogee deliver on their promises, the Mini-Me has the potential to truly revolutionize taping. I have a friend who has been taping forever, but recently gave it up, due to the hassles of the DAT format. He has a very nice laptop. He is drooling over this thing. Think of how many former tapers you know that just got sick of the hassle. I have a laptop, in addition to my DA-P1 and M1. I recently purcahsed an AD-1000, and I have a high-end microphone preamp. Rest assured, I'm drooling too. Do you know how much a DA-P1, a PSP-2 and an AD-1000 are worth right now? I can hold off taping (or patch) for a couple of months between selling them and buying the Me (as I fear they will soon both start plummeting rapidly in value. ;) - A.P. ------------------------------ From: "Daniel Mahoney" Subject: Seattle taper wanted Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:30:32 -0500 Please tape 'The Bend' on any of their upcoming shows. They have a CD release party coming in a week or so. Will make it worth your while in trades or blanks. Thanks for the bw Dan Mahoney ps- tell them the tape is for Dan from Waveburner & they might give you SB access. Well, they will probably give you SB access if you jsut ask nice! ------------------------------ From: William Draper Subject: 1st taping experience with mics: cast iron filter Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:10:15 -0500 well, i finally popped my cherry last night with my first mic taping experience. i taped cast iron filter, a bluegrass/rock band from charlotte that is absolutely amazing. if anyone wants a copy, i'll be happy to get them one. source is (setlist to come): Cast Iron Filter 1/18/02 The Pour House Raleigh, NC Taper: William Draper Source: AT 853 (card) > SP Bat Box > AD-20/Inbox > DA-R100 DAT > SHN: William Draper (wedraper@myrealbox.com) ARCHIVE Python DDS-2 > CDWav > MKWACT * No DAE * ------------------------------ From: Subject: ISO:Ramblin' Jack Elliott on CD-R or DAT Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:37:14 -0600 SSIA. please get in touch if you can help, -Ryan ryanr@surfnetinc.com ------------------------------ From: "mrcool" Subject: ISO: Good Portable Preamp ~$300 Reply-to: mrcool@fast.net Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:16:42 -0500 Hi Heads, I'm looking for a good preamp, used or new, in the $300 range. If anyone could point me in a direction that might prove helpful, I would appreciate it. Thanks! Jordan ------------------------------ From: "kip" Subject: DATs for sale? Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:24:08 -0500 hey will foy said: >however, i do welcome comments on this. i'd love to hear >a constructive argument on why this is either illegal or unethical. well, its clearly illegal to ever sell a tape of a live performance without paying into RIAA, BMI/SCAP, etc. there is no arguement there. its just illegal to sell music without the owner(s) giving license. i believe its unethical, but im no ethicist. personally, i DO trade stuff on a 'dont ask/dont tell' basis frequently. my gripe is NOT trading. hell, i dont even care if someone stealths a band im playing with who wont give permission to tape. if i see a big pair of croakies on someones glasses with wires down his back and a bag on his lap--more power to you!! tape away! but dont tell my boss--and give me a copy! its the money thing that bothers me. let me say it again: its THE MONEY exchanging hands. why? im getting to that...selling them 'for cost' is suspicious, but you know the difference between selling a show and selling a tape is. ive received a couple nasty emails because of my beliefs. being labeled a 'anti-taper', a 'nazi' and a record 'label lackie' is unfortunate. if you only knew how hard my label (Rebel Records) is fighting just to stay afloat. youd realize that all of us arent reeling in big Phish $$. many of the people in bands traded on this board have day jobs. or living on $15K a year and looking for a bimbo with a good job and a health plan to marry. Bob siegl said: >Maybe we should be a bit more discriminating. not a bad idea. thanks for the bandwidth. ill move on to questions about mastering and normalization in a bit. kip martin ++ kip martin professional upright bassist on time, in tune, well dressed... ++ ------------------------------ From: rossother1@cs.com Subject: FS: Sony D-8, $375, 30hrs, Clean bill of health from Por Digital Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:25:15 -0500 Hi all, I am looking to sell my Sony D-8 to a good home. I am now asking $375.00 OBO. It has ~30hrs on the heads and is a great machine. I just sent it into Pro Digital and got it serviced for $125.00. You will get a copy of the service order with the machine and well as the original box w/power cord. Pro Digital gave it a clean bill of health and preformed the following services: Cleaned Heads Cleaned tape path Re-aligned heads and tape path Tightened down all screws Tested for low error rates in play and record mode I will pay for FedEx 3-day air shipping. Please e-mail me off the list with any questions. Thanks! -Ross rossother1@cs.com ------------------------------ From: "Alan Kayser" Subject: cd wave editor Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:08:00 -0500 This actually has only marginal DAT content, but I was hoping someone would have some advice. I use CD Wave Editor for recording web broadcasts to my hard drive, then transferring to DAT or CDR. Everything was perfect. A few days ago I readied CDWE for recording a show. Nothing happened. I tried line input from an external source and it was fine. I then tried to record to the hard drive using Sound Forge. Nothing happened. I tried deleting CDWE, then reloading. Nothing. I use ME, and had not had a single problem with CDWE until now. Any suggestions? thanks Alan E Kayser alankayser@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ From: BlackCrowes@gmx.net Subject: P.O.D. Munich/Germany 01/19/02 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:32:42 +0100 (MET) Hi all, won tickets to see P.O.D. here in Munich on one of their 7 european shows.Although I'm not into them at all, (I'm 32..:-) I went and scored a great tape. P.O.D. 01/19/02 Babylon Munich/Germany 65min OKMII Pro>SBM-1>PCM M1 Grade A If anyone is interested in those guys, drop me a note... Looking mainly for bands like Nickelback,Train,Black Crowes final tour and any great rock/metal show I don't hold yet. Greetings from Munich, Germany Karsten -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ------------------------------ From: AGROSKIN@aol.com Subject: FS: AD1000 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:52:04 EST APOGEE AD1000 PREAMP AND A TO D CONVERTER WITH PS 1000E DUAL LINEAR POWER SUPPLY, ALSO COMES WITH TWO 15 PIN BREAK OUT CABLES, ONE WITH DUAL SPIDIF OUTS, ONE WITH SPIDIF AND WORD CLOCK FOR AC POWER. APOGEE MANUAL AND ONE 12 V BATTERY INCLUDED. WORDCLOCK CRYSTAL WAS REPLACED ALONG WITH THREE FRONT PANNEL POTS AND ENTIRE UNIT WAS SERVICED AND CLEANED LAST MARCH. MINT CONDITION, WITH NEW CRYSTAL, THATS A $500 DOLLAR REPAIR THAT ALL OF THESE UNITS NEED EVENTUALLY. REVISION D EPROM, LATEST VERSION OF SOFTWEAR. IF YOU WANT AN APOGEE THIS IS THE ONE. WILL ACEPT PAY PAL, ELECTRONIC TRANSFER. BUYER PAYS $15 SHIPPING ANYWHER IN US ------------------------------ From: Paul & Jen Beichert Subject: ISO: Van Morrison Supper Club Shows Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:59:57 -0500 Looking for good sounding DAT/CD-R recordings of Vans Supper Club gigs from 1996. I have 5/1/96 CSB>D7 at the lip of the stage, first clone off the master plus lots of other Van/other on DAT and CD-R to trade. Thanks a bunch! Paul ------------------------------ From: "Mincey, Patrick" Subject: ISO: THE WORD, North Mississippi Allstars, and Robert Randolph shows Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:02:50 -0500 Hey, I'm looking for any board recordings of these guys. See my list for a trade at www.phishhook.com/lists/pamincey Thanks Patrick ------------------------------ From: Jesse Lackey Subject: FS: Hafler 9300 transnova amp, needs $185 fix, via ebay: 2 days left Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 03:12:47 -0500 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1322841985 The skinny: Great amp, was stereophile class B. Are no longer made. Right channel very noisy. Hafler will fix for $185 flat-rate. 150W/ch into 8 ohms. I've used for years but do not need anymore and do not have money to fix. Currently $148 on ebay. Auction ends Jan 22 @ about 5pm Eastern. Jesse ------------------------------ From: Jesse Lackey Subject: Hafler 9300 is in new york city Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 03:52:00 -0500 forgot to mention I'm in the nyc area, if you are in nyc you can pick it up and save shipping (its 36lbs). Jesse ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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