DAT-heads Digest #190

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That marantz CD Recorder (Beast914@aol.com) usb under XP ("Sam Hain") re: DATs for sale? /. . . argument there (Joe Rioux) HERE IT IS! DEAD Dats 1:2 cdrs (Wavy Davy D) taping with Neumann TLM-103's (Colin Liston) FT or B&P: 4 Hot Phish Shows....Want SCI..... (JamesHelgerson@aol.com) re: $$ for DATs (DELETE if bored w/this thread) ("kip") zoltrix nightengale and dio 2448 sound cards... resample? (William Draper) ISO UFO from 1981 - 1983 Live (Kevin Brown) ISO: Buddy Rich Tapes --- but not his music! (William.Otten@LibertyMutual.com) Re: Apogee Mini-Me (Len Moskowitz) Sun Ra Arkestra Taping Policy (Judson_Maurer) dead DATs for blanks offer ("Damon Ritter") More Apogee Mini Me ("Frank Rinaldi") tamrac 614 for sale (Scott C. Brown) FS: Sound Devices MP2 ("Jefferey J Arango") FS: SoundDevices MP-2 ("Scott") xtra DAT's (Spoozehead@aol.com)
From: Beast914@aol.com Subject: That marantz CD Recorder Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:23:36 EST Marc said: "Additionally, be sure to see that Marantz Portable CD-Recorder. This may make the decline of DAT recorders a lot less painful." That of course is provided that the band will take a short break every 75-80 minutes!! D
From: "Sam Hain" <samhain1313@hotmail.com> Subject: usb under XP Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:08:22 -0500 Anyone here using a USB to S/PDIF interface under Windows XP. Haven't had much success finding one, though it appears the Edirol UA-5 does support it. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
From: Joe Rioux <jrioux@mediaone.net> Subject: re: DATs for sale? /. . . argument there Reply-To: jrioux@mediaone.net Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:30:29 -0500 > From: acffh <morst@itis.com> > Subject: re: DATs for sale? /. . . argument there > > OK copyright cop! You want an argument, you got one! You made some very good points but if it wasn't presented as a personal attack with thinly veiled (and not so thinly veiled) insults perhaps it would be better received. I know Kip and although I may not agree entirely with all that he says, I understand his concern and am at least willing to hear him our or even debate him on the issue. If you want to talk about the issue, talk about the issue but leave the personal attacks aside. They do nothing to help your position on the issue. Plus, they're simply way off base.
From: Wavy Davy D <digitaldimar@yahoo.com> Subject: HERE IT IS! DEAD Dats 1:2 cdrs Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:00:39 -0800 (PST) ALL GRATEFUL DEAD ALL COMPLETE ALL FREE OF GLITCHES!!!! in no particular order: 8-23-87 healys dfm 90 7-21-90 sbd/m 2x 60s 4-7-85 sbd/m 90 3-23-86 aud/m schoeps fob 90 meter 12-12-90 1 & 12-28-91 2 on 1 kao 90 gold 6-14-84 sbd/m 90 meter 7-21-74 sbd/m(?) 90 meter 12-31-78 3 prefm/m & 12-1-79 2 on 1 90 12-31-78 2 kao silver 60m 12-31-78 1& 10-13-80 sbd/m aco on 1 kao silver 60 11-9-79 sbd/m max 90m 7-18-82 aud/m senn 421s fob 90 meter 2-21-95 sbd/m kao sil 90 4-27-71 sbd/m 90 11-6-79 2 sbd/m kao 60 silver 8-14-79 aud/m nak 700s fob!!! 2 sony dg 60 meter 7-2-94 dsb kao gold 90 m 6-9-73 sbd/m(?) fuji dg 90meter 5-14-83 set2 daud pcm f1>3 senn 421s spectacular!! 10-24-79 aud/m nak 700s fob set 2 kao gold 60m 3-18-95 set 2 only sbd/m kao sil 60m 5-5-90 1 & 10-26-89 1 on 1 apple 90 meter 6-27+28-69 sbd/m kao 90 gold 5-7-84 sbd/m 2 kao silver 60 meter Led Zeppelin 7-24-79 aud/m uher r2r>2senn441s from rear of floor.....AWESOME sound for a Zep!! Mule 5-4-99 daud fob gefell m210s 60 Meter Maxell Tim Reynolds 5-7-01 dsb sony dg 60 Ok...all I want in return for these is a real quick trade of only 60 cdrs with Dead,Mule,Ratdog or P+fs:daud, fobs dsbs, anything, full digital or master analog>dat(as the above are). I DON'T WANT OR HAVE ANY SHNS OF ANY KIND!!! If anyone here wants these send me your list and I will look it over Have a wonderful Day. ===== My Grateful Dead Dat,PCM & CDr List: http://www.webspawner.com/users/dats Dave DiMartino 18344 Amie Ave House A Torrance,Ca.90504 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
From: Colin Liston <cliston@cs.utk.edu> Subject: taping with Neumann TLM-103's Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:07:10 -0500 (EST) Has anyone taped with these mics? And can anyone give me some helpful tips on how to tape with these HUGE mics? thanks colin
From: JamesHelgerson@aol.com Subject: FT or B&P: 4 Hot Phish Shows....Want SCI..... Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:34:23 EST I've got 4 great Phish shows on DAT that I'm ready to part with. I would really like to trade them for some good SCI shows.....In fact, if I can get 3 SBD SCI shows, I'll send all 4 shows for them! WOO-HOO! Here are the 4 shows I have: 1.) 11/11/95 2.) 11/20/98 3.) 11/21/98 4.) 10/8/99 If I can't get SCI (or Keller Williams) shows, B&P will also work. THANKS for looking! jameshelgerson@aol.com
From: "kip" <onefourfive@hotmail.com> Subject: re: $$ for DATs (DELETE if bored w/this thread) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:39:41 -0500 acffh morst@itis.com said: >OK copyright cop! You want an argument, you got one! someone just finished his third starbucks mocha grande for the day... >well, its clearly illegal to ever sell a tape of a live performance without >paying into RIAA, BMI/SCAP, etc. there is no arguement there. ok, you are correct on one point--no one pays into, or receives money directly from the RIAA directly--but they do collect that stupid tax placed on audio CDRs. and true, they are onerous industry weasels. ive never seen any money from them. so you have me there mr. president of the debate club. but i still stand by my statement that its illegal to sell a tape of a live performance containing copyrighted material without paying into BMI/ASCAP, etc. >Before you say that there is NO ARGUMENT, why don't you try phrasing >your statement as a tautology, huh? unique application of the term tautology! someone just bought 'Logic for Dummies'? when i said "its just illegal to sell music without the owner(s) giving license.", that was not tautological, it was a declarative statement founded on well known precepts of copyright law. trading, though a greyer aea, is not part of this arguement. >Or do you just prefer to work a scale job playing someone else's >music, and you want to get paid at the end of the day, so you take >home your boss's arguments to try out on a bunch of free-thinking >recordists?!? Nice try i play bluegrass. scale enters into the picture when i play the opry, but rarely any other time, if ever. i grew up playing jamband rock, moved to BG for the room the genre affords me for improvisation, and for the pure love of the music--not the money. sheesh. you must be kidding. if i was concerned soley about money, i would be in some other music. or branch of the industry such as owning a recording studio. >I can certainly see why you would feel threatened that a live recording >could cost you money, but if you're a creative musician who is paying >attention to the other members of the group, and listening while you >play, perhaps you will notice that the free and minimal >cost-distribution of live music is something that a lot of new groups >WANT! It's free advertisement! im not sure any linear logic can be found in the above statement, but let me redirect your attention to my original post(s) that either were hard for you to comprehend or were not read: i PERSONALLY collect shows. i PERSONALLY believe it has benefitted my band(s) to be recorded and traded, and i PERSONALLY am not threatened. others are deal with that reality and be sensitive to their beliefs--whether they are well founded or based on fear. my posts attmpted (albeit nott as successfully as i'd envisioned) to illustrate that not all artists buy into "the free and minimal cost-distribution of live music" paradigm and that this ignorance on their part played a role in this controversy. for ex.: if tony rice, who IS financially struggling right now, saw someone selling his shows, he would likely NOT be interested in your free-thinking libertarian laissez-fairre approach to taping: he would simply wonder why someone who makes more money than he does (ie a man with a recording studio), is able to profit from his work while he (tony) cant afford a health plan. we here might believe tony is better off in a world with tape-traders exercizing our trading rights, but he may not agree with someone SELLING his shows. his difference of opinion, although conceivably wrong, ill-founded, ignorant, and argueable, does not give you license to ignore his wishes and sell his product for what appears to be your gain. if you disagree, then the argument becomes: who owns the music? tony doesnt have the financial clout to fight you, but what if DMB decides to fight it out with someone, perhaps with dat-heads or fednet? could they do something to cripple dat-heads? sure they could. that is the real danger here. and the gist of my posts. all i asked was for some sensitivity and respect for THIS community. now--READ THIS PARAGRAPH TWICE! go take some ritalin if you need to. also, be aware that a substantial part of a bluegrass musician's lilihood comes from selling product. you wont see britanny spears selling and signing CDs after a show. you will see del mccoury. and for some folks, these cd sales mean the difference between making money and losing money on a gig. i know of at least two people in bluegrass bands that are frequently traded here that receive food stamps in the winter months. anyone who knows bluegrass knows its no 'get rich quick'. so, while you and i know taping helps a band, mrs. mccoury will be upset if she sees someone selling shows of del and the boys. note: right now theres someone on ebay with chris thile bootlegs for sale. the artists believe it takes away from legity sales. whether or not this is true has nothing to do with it. thats why so many bands are starting to prohibit taping. jerry douglas, del mccoury, and others are fearful of the loss of income. they believe they own the rights to that material. >Why don't you tell us all how much >they pay you to write this industry bulldada?? ive never made any money writing on this subject. ever. all money earned in the music business has been from A.) public performance, and B.) sales of CDs at shows. last year i did 143 shows. i got no thanks from the recording industry. btw: i noticed you make a living off musicians, tom. how did you pay for Protools? you must make more money than me. but everyone in the industry makes more than the musicians. >ps- if this sentence was in English I would have a better chance of >understanding it: >>"its the money thing that bothers me. let me say it again: its THE MONEY >>exchanging hands. why? im getting to that...selling them 'for cost' is >>suspicious, but you know [what] the difference between selling a show and selling a >>tape is." sorry (its 5 sentences, by the way). selling shows bothers me. and i also posit that you know the difference beteen selling a recording of a show and simply selling a used tape. one is ethical, and one is not. kip martin - rich bluegrass star - industry apologist - tautologist
From: William Draper <wdraper@expressionanalysis.com> Subject: zoltrix nightengale and dio 2448 sound cards... resample? Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:20:26 -0500 i was curious if there was ever a final word on whether these two sound cards (and any other with the same chip) resampled. i am building a new computer and thinking of going the soundcard method of converting dats instead of using the dds drive. please let me know. wed
From: Kevin Brown <kevin5brown@yahoo.com> Subject: ISO UFO from 1981 - 1983 Live Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:45:19 -0800 (PST) Anyone have any live UFO from 1981 through 1983? The "Paul Chapman years." There are a few King Biscuit shows from then (St Louis, Hammersmith, Chicago) and some other floating around (Cleveland in 1982). I have gotten a few off of ebay over the years, but I'm tired of getting CD-R's from people who don't know how to properly burn a disc! :-) (Clicks, dropouts, repetitive digital defects, etc.) So I figured I'd try DAT Heads... Thanks loads! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
From: William.Otten@LibertyMutual.com Subject: ISO: Buddy Rich Tapes --- but not his music! Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:25:35 -0500 Sorry to waste space with this odd request, but I hope some of you can help. I'm searching for tapes of Buddy Rich yelling and screaming at his band on the tour bus. I have a few snippets of some of them, but I know there are more. Any format will do. Please email if you can help. Bill
From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@panix.com> Subject: Re: Apogee Mini-Me Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:19:16 -0500 (EST) CatalystX <catalystx@attbi.com> > Apogee has introduced a new portable preamp/converter that replaces the > AD1000 at a third the price. And the feature list is amazing: USB, > 24bit/96kHz, built-in compressor! Color me ecstatic! This looks good, but reading the specs closely it appears that it won't do 96 kHz over USB; it's limited to 48 kHz. At least it has an S/PDIF output and takes a DC power supply. I wonder what the price will be. Len Moskowitz Binaural StealthMics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com moskowit@core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
From: Judson_Maurer <judsonm@gsdl.com> Subject: Sun Ra Arkestra Taping Policy Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:56:52 -0500 Went to see the Sun Ra Arkestra last weekend. I set up mics in the audience. Taped the opening band fine but as The Sun Ra Arkestra was warming up one of the band members said that they would not play until the few mic stands in the audience came down. This was quickly re-enforced by the soundman. If you go to tape stealth it! Space may be the place but apparently they still enforce their definition of "copyright protection" there. I wish Sun Ra was still around to give his two cents since most of the tunes they played belong to him anyway. Happy recording, Taylor
From: "Damon Ritter" <jkstrw@nh.ultranet.com> Subject: dead DATs for blanks offer Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:18:10 -0500 I have 30+ Dead dats from 69-77 that I would like to trade for some blank discs. Email me if interested. Damon
From: "Frank Rinaldi" <frank@cascademedia.net> Subject: More Apogee Mini Me Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:34:09 -0800 Good Morning Folks...... We just got back from NAMM 2002 yesterday as well. A great time as usual, with the Apogee Mini-Me being the focus as it has been the past few days on many mailing lists. A couple notes to clarify some stuff I saw as I checked out the past few digests: - The unit will record 96khz via the S/PDIF and AES/EBU outputs, so you can still get the highest resolution if you utilize a Digigram VX Pocket until.... -A firewire upgrade will be available by the end of this year that will handle 96Khz -This unit can be run from a 6v power supply! - They've made a very cool porta-brace-esque carrying case the the unit fits into very nicely. All pre-orders will include this case at no extra charge. We are going to start taking pre-orders TODAY on the Mini-Me with special pricing. Give me a call for details or if you have any other questions regarding this unit or anything else from NAMM 2002. Be well, Frank Cascade Media, LLC For All Your Digital Recording Needs Portland, Oregon 503-234-4294 888-336-4643 503-232-5874- fax frank@cascademedia.net www.cascademedia.net
From: Scott.C.Brown@Dartmouth.EDU (Scott C. Brown) Subject: tamrac 614 for sale Reply-To: Scott.C.Brown@Dartmouth.EDU (scb) Date: 21 Jan 2002 15:52:43 EST http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1325520998
From: "Jefferey J Arango" <ArangoJJ@stvinc.com> Subject: FS: Sound Devices MP2 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:01:54 -0500 Excellent condition both cosmetically and physically. Used less than 10 times. Asking 600 obo....All reasonable offers considered. Email me at the address below. Jeffery J. Arango Environmental Planner STV Incorporated 225 Park Ave. S-5th Fl. New York, NY 10003 Phone: (646) 602-5823 Email:arangojj@stvinc.com The information contained in this electronic message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are informed that any dissemination, copying or disclosure of the material contained herein, in whole or in part, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify STV and purge this message.
From: "Scott" <sms9253@rit.edu> Subject: FS: SoundDevices MP-2 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:14:13 -0500 Forwarded for Ian Stone. Please DON'T reply to sms9253@rit.edu, but if it happens, I will forward to Ian: Hey all, I'm upgrading to a Lunatec... I have one lined up so I need to find a buyer for my Sound Devices MP-2 Unit is less than one year old, purchased from SonicSense March 12, 2001. Kept in mint condition, no scratches, blemishes, etc. Runs on internal AA's or Eco-charge 6v batteries. I have a few Eco-charges so if you would want one included, we can work a deal. Please drop me a line if you are interested at iss0169@rit.edu. Peace and cheese, ian stone
From: Spoozehead@aol.com Subject: xtra DAT's Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:27:57 EST Greetings all! I have a few xtra's f/t or b/p. Got these on cd now, so the time has come to the send them out into the world. Dead 10-31-79 FOB/AUD set 2 1x60m 9-6-80 AUD set 2 1x60m 11-29-80 1*2 FOB/AUD Beyer M-160 mics 2x60m 7-27-82 FOB/AUD 1*2 Senn 421>Sony TC D5 1x90m 10-11-83 FOB/AUD 1*2 Senn 421>PCM>D 1x90m 6-16-85 FOB/AUD 1*2 Oade source 1x90m Tom Petty 1-15-97 DAUD CMC 341's>SX-M1>D8 1x60m Phil & Friends 10-1-00 DAUD all MBHO 200/603A>MP-2>ADC-20>DA-P1 1x90m DMB 10-13-96 DAUD/FOB all Schoeps>DA-P1 1x90m 10-15-96 DAUD/FOB all Schoeps>DA-P1 1x90m 10-16-96 DAUD/FOB all Schoeps>DA-P1 1x90m Thanks, Neil
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