DAT-heads Digest #193
Contents:
FS: SONY D8 & SONY DTC700ES ("Tom Morrison")
Re: ISO: Stand, Bogen/Manfratto? ("DCin10AC")
ISO: SBM-1 ("Anthony Mirabella")
Screw "Dat's For Sale" (Mexminute@aol.com)
Phil 12-30-01 ("Mark Paterick")
Laptop recording (Kent Tomita)
Re: MINI Shotguns (Andrew Nemeth)
FS: Modified SBM-1 ("Trey Woodruff")
Re: Laptop recording (Mike Kelleher)
Re: HERE IT IS! DEAD Dats 1:2 cdrs (Wavy Davy D)
Selling my home deck: Sony DTC-Ze700 (empty spaces)
ABB DSBDS With D. Betts (Jonathan Lerman)
VANILLA FUDGE ("john e. bogus")
ethics and artists ("Malachi")
Re: FS Apogee AD1000 great condition ("John D'Auria")
Newbie Offer/Email change ("Zach")
The K-Mart v. Wall-Mart Analogy ("Joseph McDuffy")
ISO: Springsteen & Clemons @ Foxwoods 1/11/02 ("Otten, William")
Re: Changing discs in portable CD-R? ("Stanley W. Smith")
Re: DATs for sale? /. . . argument there ("Otto, Michael")
Re: DATs for sale? /. . . argument there (Sean Kennedy)
FS:PCM M1, Pair Shure Beta 98s, Pair Shure MX185s ("Michael guess")
From: "Tom Morrison" <SoMnyRds@ziplink.net>
Subject: FS: SONY D8 & SONY DTC700ES
Reply-To: "Tom Morrison" <SoMnyRds@ziplink.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:34:54 -0500
My Buddy is selling this, I am helping him out, just reply to me,
I am coordinating the sale of them...
Sony D8
Very Low Hourz ( < 20) never used in concert recording
environment, always @ home, used for general
purpose "listening"...
Comes with optical cable, case, AC adapter,
SONY DTC700
This was one of my old decks, he bought, then never used!
this was maintained very well by me (and thus by him)...
sent to oades once for cleaning, it does not have any
of the usual transport problems...
If you buy both, he'll throw in his DAT collection (~30) that he never
listened to...$650 plus shipping gets both, make me an offer individually
on these...
it won't last long...these are good buys/decks!
t
From: "DCin10AC" <dcin10ac@home.com>
Subject: Re: ISO: Stand, Bogen/Manfratto?
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:33:01 -0600
> - A.P. wrote:
> If that URL doesn't work, just go to www.audiorage.com and search for
> MF3405. They also sell a 17' stand, but I'd really like to know who runs
> their mics at 17'.
>
> - A.P.
I did it several times for the Allman Brothers. When you get "stuck" with
really close seats, you need to get out of the boomy bass zone, especially
with Neumanns! I still managed to get a bit of ambient crowd on it somehow
though (those upfront ABB fans are *LOUD* !)
Also ran a couple of Merlefest sets that high in the past few years. The
"tapers section" relays were at the top of the sound tower, so in order to
capture them without capturing the extremely noisy and talkative sound
crew...maybe that's why we bagged the section and went up front the rest of
the time (sorry Bill!)
My stand is a 17' Bogen/Manfrotto with the adapter. Probably the same one
mentioned in the post. Got it from B&H Photo/Video in NYC for under a
hundred.
Dirk
WOB tax: Allmans 6/16/01 Amsouth Amphitheater - Antioch, TN
Neumann KM140 > Sonosax SX-M2 > Panasonic SV-255 > HHb CDR-850 from the 6th
row
on *CDR* (2 discs) to the first response. Sorry, only have 2 portable DATs
at the moment as my home gear is on the road; so I'm limited to making
discs.
From: "Anthony Mirabella" <s0058943@mail.niagara.edu>
Subject: ISO: SBM-1
Reply-To: <s0058943@mail.niagara.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:42:47 -0500
I'm looking to add an SBM-1 to my rig. Mod or not, doesn't matter.
From: Mexminute@aol.com
Subject: Screw "Dat's For Sale"
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:49:03 EST
Who has some cool stuff to trade?
From: "Mark Paterick" <msp081465@chartertn.net>
Subject: Phil 12-30-01
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:59:12 -0500
I have a couple extra copies of Phil 12-30-01 (3cds) for trade. Also I
have an extra copy of Gov Mule 12-21-01 (2cds) for trade. Both shows sound
great!
From: Kent Tomita <ktdat@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Laptop recording
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:09:47 -0500
Anyone on the list make the change from dat to laptop? or use a laptop
in conjuction with their decks?
I just bought a vaio and a vx pocket, now I'm looking for software.
I'd love to find out what people are using. contact me offlist ..
Peace--->KT
From: Andrew Nemeth <azn@nemeng.com>
Subject: Re: MINI Shotguns
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:06:12 +1100
Abattement@aol.com wrote:
>I am trying to find the company that was selling Mini-shotgun microphones.
>You could use them for stealth taping.
When I asked this question back in Oct 2001, pherbig@purina.com
sent me the following links:
AKG C747s:
<http://www.akg-acoustics.com/english/microphones/c747.htm>
<http://www.akg-acoustics.com/datasheets/C747.pdf> (PDF, 100 KB)
Regds,
Andrew Nemeth
<http://4020.net> -> photos, 360=B0 panoramic vrs, sounds
<http://nemeng.com> -> vr java applets, leica faq, tech info
From: "Trey Woodruff" <twoodruff@jam.rr.com>
Subject: FS: Modified SBM-1
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:16:14 -0600
All serious offers will be considered. Has coax out and is in excellent
condition.
Trey
From: Mike Kelleher <mk2@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Laptop recording
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:55:29 -0500
--On Tuesday, January 22, 2002 9:09 PM -0500 Kent Tomita
<ktdat@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Anyone on the list make the change from dat to laptop? or use a laptop
> in conjuction with their decks?
> I just bought a vaio and a vx pocket, now I'm looking for software.
> I'd love to find out what people are using. contact me offlist ..
Have you seen <http://yahoogroups.com/group/laptop-tapers/> ?
If not you should check it out. Do check out the archives once you
subscribe; there has been lots of software discussion in the last 2 or 3
months.
-Mike
Mike Kelleher - mk2@cmu.edu - laptop-tapers moderator
From: Wavy Davy D <digitaldimar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: HERE IT IS! DEAD Dats 1:2 cdrs
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:19:10 -0800 (PST)
--- Wavy Davy D <digitaldimar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ALL GRATEFUL DEAD ALL COMPLETE ALL FREE OF
> GLITCHES!!!! in no particular order:
> 8-23-87 healys dfm 90
> 7-21-90 sbd/m 2x 60s
> 4-7-85 sbd/m 90
> 3-23-86 aud/m schoeps fob 90 meter
> 12-12-90 1 & 12-28-91 2 on 1 kao 90 gold
> 6-14-84 sbd/m 90 meter
> 7-21-74 sbd/m(?) 90 meter
> 12-31-78 3 prefm/m & 12-1-79 2 on 1 90
> 12-31-78 2 kao silver 60m
> 12-31-78 1& 10-13-80 sbd/m aco on 1 kao silver
> 60
> 11-9-79 sbd/m max 90m
> 7-18-82 aud/m senn 421s fob 90 meter
> 2-21-95 sbd/m kao sil 90
> 4-27-71 sbd/m 90
> 11-6-79 2 sbd/m kao 60 silver
> 8-14-79 aud/m nak 700s fob!!! 2 sony dg 60
> meter
> 7-2-94 dsb kao gold 90 m
> 6-9-73 sbd/m(?) fuji dg 90meter
> 5-14-83 set2 daud pcm f1>3 senn 421s
> spectacular!!
> 10-24-79 aud/m nak 700s fob set 2 kao gold 60m
> 3-18-95 set 2 only sbd/m kao sil 60m
> 5-5-90 1 & 10-26-89 1 on 1 apple 90 meter
> 6-27+28-69 sbd/m kao 90 gold
> 5-7-84 sbd/m 2 kao silver 60 meter
> Led Zeppelin 7-24-79 aud/m uher r2r>2senn441s
> from rear of floor.....AWESOME sound for a
> Zep!!
> Mule 5-4-99 daud fob gefell m210s 60 Meter
> Maxell
> Tim Reynolds 5-7-01 dsb sony dg 60
> Ok...all I want in return for these is a real
> quick trade of only 60 cdrs with
> Dead,Mule,Ratdog
> or P+fs:daud, fobs dsbs, anything, full digital
> or master analog>dat(as the above are). I DON'T
> WANT OR HAVE ANY SHNS OF ANY KIND!!! If anyone
> here wants these send me your list and I will
> look it over Have a wonderful Day.
>
>
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From: empty spaces <peaceful_mind@yahoo.com>
Subject: Selling my home deck: Sony DTC-Ze700
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:40:48 -0800 (PST)
It has a few hundred of hours on it. But, I
got it serviced a year ago. Just for a tune-up. There
was nothing wrong with it. Sorry but there is no
paper work (excpet the owner's manual). It works well
and strong. No physical scars on it. I've actually
babied it VERY well. I've had no problems with this
machine. Sony is selling it for $1,000 brand new, but
I'm looking for 550.00 or best offer.
If you want to work-out a deal, I plan to
get an EcoCharge Beta two system at
http://www.ecocharge.com/bplus.htm for my DA-P1(the
single battery pack)for $220.00 and the Stand rig
package at http://www.micsupply.com/package2.htm for
185.00. So, 220.00+185.00= 405.00. If you are
willing to buy the battery pack, the stand rig, and
ship it to me with insurance, I'll ship my deck to
you(I'll pay for the packing, shipping, and
insurance).
Or if you want to make me a deal some how,
let me know. For example, you have these items and
they are used or even brand spanking new, let's talk
about making a trade. Also, if you live anywhewe (well
within relative reasonableness) in the So. California
area, I'll even drive to you if you are close enough;
so that, we can save on the shipping and handeling.
(do I sound desperate? I'm not. I just want to work
out a good fair trade with someone. I'm in no big
rush. I've truely cared for this deck and just want
to make sure that it makes it somewhere good and that
the trade or expenses are just about as equal as
things can get)
This is the link if you want to see specs on the Deck:
http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/generic/homeaudio/minidiscdigitalrecorders/index.shtml
If this link doesn't work, go to the Sony site at:
http://www.sony.com and type in DTC-ZE700 in the
search box
Anyways, let me know either threw this list or
privately. Hopeing to hear from someone.
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From: BabyPrite@webtv.net (Jonathan Lerman)
Subject: ABB DSBDS With D. Betts
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:34:37 -0500 (EST)
Would love some amazing ABB DSBDS with Dickie Betts. I have some nice
tapes to swap which I can spin quickly.
From: "john e. bogus" <mallness@surfbest.net>
Subject: VANILLA FUDGE
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:45:08 -0500
Still have not found anyone who is going to be taping these guys at BB
King's in NYC on 1/28/02....anyone? I also hear they did some kind of
national radio show last week, anyone tape that? No one else has stepped
forward yet with tapes from the fall tour, either. Don't disappoint me, my
fellow tapers....there have to be more people interested in this great
classic band than have contacted me so far, I know you're out there, please
get in touch if you have taped or will be taping Vanilla Fudge.....
Thanks for the posting,
john e. bogus
mallness@surfbest.net
From: "Malachi" <malachi@savagesound.com>
Subject: ethics and artists
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:28:05 -0600
I think it is a great thing that there is a forum for discussing ethical
taping, as a grassroots alternative to the copyright/royalty/big business
beaurocracy.
It would be greater still if people showed respect for other opinions, like
they expect to receive from others.
Briefly consider the artist's point of view. If he is a self-employed
businessman like any group leader has to be, writing and arranging, endless
practicing; well, let's face it - he (or she) has to be something of a
control freak. You don't make it to the big time if you don't care about
details. I hope I didn't hurt anybody's feelings.
I have had the privilege of archiving a local artist who has achieved some
success, and I have a lot of competition at shows. Microphones and
mini-discs everywhere. From my point of view, the more the merrier.
From his point of view, he doesn't mind if someone tapes the show as long as
they ask permission ahead of time. This happens very rarely.
If they do ask, he tells them he would like to get a copy. This NEVER
happens.
How hard is it for him to get on his computer and do a search on his own
name, and come up with page after page of lists of people trading his music?
Not too hard. Shows from all over the world that he doesn't have, and has no
quality control over.
His choice is to either let it go, or to be a dick about it.
If we are advocating a better system than the one the record companies have
come up with, it would seem to me like we have some obligations to the
artists.
The bottom line is respect.
Thanks - Malachi
From: "John D'Auria" <jcdauria@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: FS Apogee AD1000 great condition
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:02:36 -0500
No capital letters and screaming for me to sell this. I don't want to
but am getting my PhD, and moving to Germany. Need to sell it before I
leave. I put it up for auction on digibid
https://www.digibid.com/item/showItem.cfm?aid=96075
Thanks for listening.
John
John D'Auria wrote:
>
> Hey now all,
> I'm in the market for selling my AD1000. It is in great condition and
> comes with the PS-1000 power supply. I bought it for $1300 from a
> studio last year. Please email me with serious offers.
>
> Peace,
> John
> http://sativa.etree.org
From: "Zach" <zach@funkytulip.com>
Subject: Newbie Offer/Email change
Reply-To: <zach@funkytulip.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:46:43 -0700
For those of you playing along at home, I'm no longer at
zandersson@aol.com
New email is ZachATfunkytulip.com >remove AT and replace with @<
I have 15 DAT's that need new homes.
All are SonyDGP's except one MasterDAT.
Phil & Friends 10-21-99 2x90m AT825 last 30sec. of encore cut
Widespread Panic 03-13-92 1x90m SBD
Neil Young 09-19-01 1x90M Schoeps
Phish 09-17-99 2x60m Neumann KM184
Phish 05-23-00 2x60m B7K 4011
Phish 07-14-00 2x60m B&K 4011
Phish 07-17-99 2x60m AKG 3000
Phish 07-18-99 3x60m AKG 3000
I'd like to get 14 *sealed* blanks in return. Preferably Sony's.
4x90m
10x60m
======
14 DAT's
Peace,
Zach
From: "Joseph McDuffy" <taper_joe@hotmail.com>
Subject: The K-Mart v. Wall-Mart Analogy
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:32:45 +0000
>From: Sean Kennedy <liam@xo.com>
>For the consumer something other than media, there is
>a value in getting good customer service... so
>shop around, but don't nickle&dime someone if they
>provide truely superior support
Amen Sean. I have gotten some concerned emails since I posted
about the pricing wars that many of the dealers on
this list get involved in, and I want to defend my point.
NPR did a report on the demise of K-Mart last night and
again this morning they discussed a "free-for-all" scene
at a Queens, NY K-Mart - where customers were freaking out
beacuse there was NO ONE available to help them check out
and NO customer service. People reportedly threw down their
items on the counters and left all pissed-off...mayhem.
THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO US IF THESE PRICE WARS CONTINUE.
In the short term, we all love to save money - me included,
but at what cost in the long term? Are you ready to have
all of the small cool dealers go under - forcing us to buy
our tapes and gear from an online division of Wall-Mart?
Great - you saved some cash and got a free carrying case - WOW!
Now try to get someone on the phone to answer your questions.
Good luck...and say hi to the flying yellow smiley face
as he floats through the tapers section, slashing prices.
"The Devil's greatest trick was convincing the world he didn't
exist" -- The Usual Suspects
Peas -
Joe
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From: "Otten, William" <William.Otten@LibertyMutual.com>
Subject: ISO: Springsteen & Clemons @ Foxwoods 1/11/02
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:55:46 -0500
Subject says it all. Looking for this show form Foxwoods casino which also
included B.B. King. I know there was a taper there, so hopefully you're
reading this. I large list of Springsteen and other artists to offer in
return.
Thanks,
Bill
From: "Stanley W. Smith" <swsmith@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Changing discs in portable CD-R?
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:34:33 -0600
Uhm-m-m-m... Why not run two at staggered start times?
Worked for cassette tapes in the dim misty past, works now for MD (euwwww!),
don't see why it won't for CDs.
Stan Smith
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> From: <giorgi@xs4all.nl>
> Subject: Creative DAP 20GB for recording shows
> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:52:56 +0100 (CET)
<snip>
>I won't switch to portable CD
> recorders (because of switching CDRs during a show).
>
> thanks
> Ramon
>
From: "Otto, Michael" <Michael_Otto@tvratings.com>
Subject: Re: DATs for sale? /. . . argument there
Reply-To: ez.rider@gte.net
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:49:28 -0500
I agree with Sean. My impression is that you talk too much and say too
little for the number of words you use to say it.
Please keep it simple and short. I'm old and have a short attention span
for complaints.
ezrider
===================================================
From: "DRider" <>
From: "DRider" <Hawkwind@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: DATs for sale? /. . . argument there
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:36:32 -0500
Well Sean......
It's the kind of "edge" that your post starts off with that I was getting at
in my post:
> You don't want to read anything more from others, but expect
> us to read 96 lines from you? C'mon, give me a break!
"One Break coming up!" - David Lee Roth
Those 2 lines are like a punch in the eye. Most mammals that I know WILL
retaliate if punched in the eye. It's only natural.
<snip>
From: Sean Kennedy <liam@xo.com>
Subject: Re: DATs for sale? /. . . argument there
Reply-To: Sean Kennedy <liam@fedney.tech.xo.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:23:10 -0500
--On Wednesday, January 23, 2002 2:49 PM -0500 "Otto, Michael"
<Michael_Otto@tvratings.com> wrote:
> I agree with Sean.
For what its worth, I have since clarified my
objection with Darrin and wanted to state it
more generally for the list. This critique
about not listening applies for several people
who have recently posted, not only Darrin's
message, except I felt that message unfortunately
legitimized the practice.
While I think that DAT-heads should be uncensored
and open. I do, however, feel that it should also
be a discussion, not just a soapbox. This means
listening to everyone and then stating your opinion.
Irregardless of style, you should never say "I am
tired of listening to other people... but ...now listen
to me." You may have a good point, but its no longer part
of the conversation.
Perhaps we now have enough understanding and
constructive criticism (I acknowlege my posts
could be better) to go back to the more taping
related concerns on the list. The active and
interested poster should also be an active and
interested reader.
Thanks,
Sean
From: "Michael guess" <pullthestring9@hotmail.com>
Subject: FS:PCM M1, Pair Shure Beta 98s, Pair Shure MX185s
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:34:18 -0700
Greetings all.
Once again im auctioning off some superfluus equipment thru the graciousness
of the Ebay marketplace. Those would be the following items.
One Sony PCM M1 pro Dat Recorder. Purchased new approximately 2 years ago,
has seen much stealth field use in that time and has performed and continues
to perform beautifully. Unit was checked out by Full Compass in Middleton
WI approx 6 months ago and came thru a-ok. This auction includes an
active/passive 7pin to coax in and out digital patch cable with canon
adapter. This is basically like the Oade patch cable except better. aMore
flexible cable and less susceptable to the common wear of connection youll
find using the Oade bro 7pin patch cable. New this is a $850 value. My
reserve for the lot is $500. Please visit ebay via th efollowing link for
all the info
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1505972950
American digital 7-pin to coax in/out patch cable.
also auctioning a pair of Shure Beta 98 mics. For those of you whove heard
my U2 recordings made with these mics you know they offer steller audio
performance that stands strong alongside the highest end mics out
there(neumann, schoeps, B&K). This auction includes two shure beta 98s, two
custom shortened cables(30ft shortened to 4ft for stealthing by the pro-tecs
at Full Compass systems) all original accessories, stand mounts, etc.
Auction also included non standard rpm 108 cardioid capsules in addition to
the standard Supercard caps that come with the mics. Youll find these offer
a much better warmer and more open sonic result than the standard
supercards. New these are a $550 value. My reserve fo rhte lot is $350.
Please visit the following link to ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1505975973
Finally auctioning a pair of Shure MX185 lavalier mics. these, like the
beta 98s are a nice mic for stealthing, and a step up from the typical Core
sound or Sonic studio options. Advice to buyers, these are susceptable to
overloads if they are not being routed thru a pre. Simply running them via
a phantom power source will not suffice and you will not be happy with the
results. These are also ideal mics for broadcastinbg, home or studio video
production, etc. Ive used these mics twice in the field and was happy with
the results, though they did not provide the samne results as the Betas,
hence theyve languished out of favour. Once again, these items have been
carewd for and include all original accessories, manuals, capsules, etc.
Please visit the following link to Ebay for biddin ginfo.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1505979046
Reason for selling. Giving up the world of stealth for pro-audio and in the
future will be routing all recoding st into a laptop computer setup.
As always, thanx for hte space.
Michael in Sun City.
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