DAT-heads Digest #197, Volume #6 Sat, 26 Jan 02 14:50:01 EST Contents: Question / DAT vrs. DVD vrs. DV for audio recording (mark) ISO of certain jazz trades -cds plse ("ihor cheecha") Eugene Chadbourne/Camper Van Chadbourne ("Robert O'Haire") RE:DAT to CD recording (Tom McCreadie) ATTN philly:anyone tape Jim Norton the comedian last night?? (jimmy sellers) SPDIF format & .wav's & Nomad 3 ("Winnie Olmer") Re: hiding tracks on a cdr (Michael Hackett) Duo power question (MBHO 603a too) (Clancey) RE: sorry :) here it is! ("Matt") Foo Fighters ("Mr. Data") Re: Nomad 3 (L Sean Kennedy) Re: sorry :) here it is! (Seth Breidbart) money and dats............ ("michael schuncke") Re: SPDIF format & .wav's & Nomad 3 ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.") RE:DAT to CD recording ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mark Subject: Question / DAT vrs. DVD vrs. DV for audio recording Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 01:27:49 -0700 I have a question about recording audio from satellite television. Which recording format is going to sound the best. DAT / CDR DVD recorders (Pioneer standalone recorder with manual audio level control) DV vcr (Sony or Panasonic with manual rec. level control) Is there any difference in sound quality. Or would it sound the same pretty much. Anyone want to give opinions.... The Pioneer DVD recorder is quite new so not sure if anyone has one yet. The DVD recorder has digital audio outputs. Thanks for your help. Mark bigjazzfan@hdni.cc ------------------------------ From: "ihor cheecha" Subject: ISO of certain jazz trades -cds plse Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:46:27 +1100 Excuse me!!! Keen to know if anybody recorded the Newport Jazz Festival???? with Kurt Elling (video or else),that was recently broadcast on tv,or for that matter does anybody have anything at all on Kurt Elling???. Always looking for certain items of Joni Mitchell "Shadows and Light Tour" Ihor _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Robert O'Haire" Subject: Eugene Chadbourne/Camper Van Chadbourne Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 05:23:55 -0500 Be-bop/Country & Western/Heavy Metal/Free Jazz/ banjo, guitar and rake playing Eugene Chadbourne will be touring California and Europe plus a few other places I've listed below. Of particular interest is the Camper Van Chadbourne show in Berkeley on 2/16...this band is entertaining to say the very least. I'm hoping some HQ rigs can step up for this. Eugene allows taping of all sorts and is a very kind individual..video/SBD/mic stands are ok...by all means ask first and make him a copy..he sometimes produces cds from material fans send him. Here is his site if you care to find out more about him or hear his music. http://www.nr.infi.net/~chadnc/HouseOfChadula/EugeneHome.html I have many HQ tapes of Eugene Chadbourne/Shockabilly to trade...if this doesn't interest you I also have 200+ Schoeps masters including: recent Dictators, Lovage, King Crimson, Project Object NYE, Grandmothers 10/31, Derek Bailey (solo), Patti Smith, Roy Campbell, Rocksteady Seven, Sonic Youth, Modest Mouse, Bebel Gilberto, Tindersticks, Johnny Dowd, Nels Cline, Remember Shakti....you get the idea. I can also reimburse ticket cost if that makes a difference and/or tape shows in NYC for you. I am only looking to trade for DATs/cds of any of the gigs below...I have no time for any other trades right now. Friday, Feb. 8 The Smell 247 S. Main St. Los Angeles, California 213 625 4325 Saturday, Feb. 9 City Hall Ventura, California. Opening up: Jeff Kaiser Sunday, Feb. 10 Afternoon matinee; outdoors, weather permitting. Kiosk, 2527 Canada Blvd., Glendale, Ca., 818 662 5165 Wednesday Feb. 13 special hospital gig, San Diego w Bertram Turetzky, bass Birthday for Turetzky Thursday, Feb. 14 Bruno's, 2389 Mission St. San Francisco, Ca. 415 648 7701 New trio with Dr. Chadbourne and Ashley Adams, contrabass/ Beth Custer, clarinets; presenting special Valentine's Day program Saturday, Feb. 16 Camper Van Chadbourne , Starry Plough, Berkeley, California , 3101 Shattuck Ave. w/Victor Krummenacher, bass and baritone guitar, vocals/Jonathan Segel, mandolin, violin, vocals. DR CHADBOURNE AND PAUL LOVENS ON TOUR IN EUROPE March 21 Nantes, France at Pannonica Jazz Club March 24 Karlsruhe Germany t/b/c/ March 27 Paris, France at Les Instants Chavires March 28 Lorgues, France main theatre in a small town~! Can it be hard to find? March 30 Nimes Jazz Festival the Roman ampitheatre! April 3 studio project with Wild Bud band April 4 Le Salon Bocal Toulouse France April 5 Pau, France April 6 Bordeux, France April 12 Duo with Cooper Moore Brecht Center Neus Kabaret, NYC (I will be at this one) April 13 Ithacha, New York info tba April 14 Rochester, New York presented by the Bop Shop April 25-28 Sergey Kurokyin Festival, St. Petersburg, Latvia May 15-17 New England dates tba May 18/19 Victoriaville Festival, Quebec Dr. Chadbourne in duo with Rene Lussier, guitariste extraordinaire! B&P for the 1st to respond: Eugene Chadbourne & Jimmy Carl Black duo (Jack and Jim) 9/6/01 Cartier Foundation For Contemporary Art-Paris, France Schoeps MK4>MP2>M1 -- ------------------------------ From: Tom McCreadie Subject: RE:DAT to CD recording Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:39:36 +0100 Gordon Gidluck in # 196: >>...Also, another option is to do the sample rate conversion on a computer in software. This can be a time consuming process for the absolute best filtering, but it does produce excellent results. Some softwares can do this realtime while recording, but you are better off quality wise in doing the offline processing which takes longer....<< Those looking for high quality software SRC without shelling out for CEP Pro and suchlike might want to take a look at the Freeware program, SSRC: This is a command line program with various switches for controlling quality, batch processing etc. It came to my notice on a recommendation of the ubiquitous Usenetter, Arny Krueger, who found it better in certain ways than his trusty CEP. Tom ------------------------------ From: jimmy sellers Subject: ATTN philly:anyone tape Jim Norton the comedian last night?? Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:08:13 -0500 just curious if there was anyone there who might have walked away with anything? thanx in advance for any info, jimmy dat list: http://www.delanet.com/~pjimmy/datlist.html cd&shn list: http://db.etree.org/jimmy IM screenname: jimmyphart ------------------------------ From: "Winnie Olmer" Subject: SPDIF format & .wav's & Nomad 3 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:42:39 -0500 a recent post from steve about creative labs soon to be released nomad 3 looks very interesting as a DAT replacement. my (very limited) understanding is that a DAT signal passing from my tascam da-30 to my computer using sound forge is some sort of "time code signal standard", and that it is sound forge that is saving the signal as a .wav on my hard drive. i could surely be way off on my understanding here!! my question is, since the nomad 3 can record .wav files, and has a digital in... is it a replacement for a DAT. would it possibly take in a digital signal from my A/D(zefiro or sbm-1) and record it as a .wav? I am unclear about signals, formats and which piece of equipment and what point is creating a .wav file. it would be great to get rid of my high maintenance DAT recorder and tapes. I put all my music to CD so the specs on the nomad are comparable in audio quality. thanks for the feedback! winnie http://gear.ign.com/articles/317470p1.html ================================== "Imagine there's no countries, It isn't hard to do, Nothing to kill or die for, No religion too, Imagine all the people living life in peace..."-John Lennon Winnie Olmer mailto:who@sover.net ================================== ------------------------------ From: Michael Hackett Subject: Re: hiding tracks on a cdr Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:09:30 -0400 randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU wrote: > anyway, I've started making mixedmode cdrs (data + music) [...] > in a 'data track' recorded at the head of a disc. So if i have have > 9 audio tracks, popping a finished cdr into my home stereo cd player > gives tracks 2-10 as the show. I don't know about Nero specifically, but what you should be doing is burning a multi-session CD, the music in the first session and the data in the second. Be careful that your software and burner support SAO (Session-at-once), so that you won't get gaps in the music. I believe this is called a "Blue Book" CD, aka "CD Extra" or "Enhanced CD", as commercial CDs with computer content are called. -- Michael ------------------------------ From: Clancey Subject: Duo power question (MBHO 603a too) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:03:52 -0500 First - I want to thank everyone who has helped me with my MBHO questions to date. What a great community this is! I am now looking for an affordable pre-a\d for my MBHO 603a mics. I have a couple of questions. I saw on Core Sound's website that they were planning to introduce a power pack for the Duo. Is there anyone who is already selling a portable power pac that works with it? How long until Core Sound gets theirs up and running? I've been told that the MBHO mics run hot - is the -10db setting on the line output enough, or should I buy a set of attenuator cables - I've seen them with -15db for sale in my travels. If I use the digital output from the Duo to my PCM-M1, will it also switch between +4 and -10, or will the a\d conversion somehow take care of the hot mic problem? (yeah - duh). As you can tell, I am sort of new at this - my mics are AT 933s with Hyper caps and a batterybox, so I have been ok so far without anything between the mics and the M1, so I am learning as I go along. Thanks everyone - take care! Clancey "I Believe We Die Of All The Things We Hate The Most" "I Believe" - Todd Snider My SHN list: http://db.etree.org/clancey ------------------------------ From: "Matt" Subject: RE: sorry :) here it is! Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:18:25 -0700 This does look pretty nice - I'll be interested to hear people's experiences in the field. I wonder how the analog stages are on this one, and if you can pass a digital signal. With a firewire port, I wonder if it might be upgradeable to receive a 24/96 signal from a MiniMe (I bet it can't right away, but they mention additional features will be along with firmware upgrades). I'll be watching... Matt ============================== From: Cjyellow@aol.com Subject: sorry :) here it is! Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:43:51 EST i guess i got so excited, i forgot to put the link in the email!! it's the new creative labs jukebox - before any of you start laughing, read the features..... http://gear.ign.com/articles/317470p1.html ============================== ------------------------------ From: "Mr. Data" Subject: Foo Fighters Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:43:10 +0100 Hello, Is there someone who's having: Foo Fighters Live 13-12-'97 "Shepherd's Bush Empire", London,U.K. -with Queens Roger taylor- on CD-R or DAT? Thanks in advance, Arnold. Straight Mailto:avan.heyst@quicknet.nl ------------------------------ From: L Sean Kennedy Subject: Re: Nomad 3 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:17:30 -0500 --On Friday, January 25, 2002 3:07 AM -0500 "Cjyellow@aol.com" wrote: > wow... 20 gigs...li battery (and pwoer jack)....firewire/usb input (can > you plug this right into a mini me?)....records .wavs......flashable > updates (shn??)....and : OPTICAL > INPUT!! > > this finally looks like it might work.. Yes, it looks like you could plug it into a MiniMe via the S/PDIF input. However, I would caution people on a few things 1) The firewire and USB ports are used for transfering audio, not recording. This is probably hardcoded into their software and not likely to change. This is not really a limitation because if you can get digital audio in you don't care so much about firewire for recording, the MiniMe is adding that because that's currently the best way to get digital audio into a computer, especially a laptop or Mac. 2) We have yet to see details on what sampling frequency and bit rates it supports. Based on one note of "up to DAT frequency," and general technology/cost issues, I would strongly suspect it of maybe doing 20/48 at best... and doubt its 24/96. Software that supported recording using the firewire interface and 24/96 would thus be cool. 3) As noted below, recording has different power requirements than playback of MP3s. [Winnie] > is it a replacement for a DAT. would it possibly > take in a digital signal from my A/D(zefiro or > sbm-1) and record it as a .wav? It seems so, but without specifications you do not know. Perhaps it has a file size limit on recordings. Perhaps the batteries don't last so long recording (where you cannot cache data and need to keep the disk spinning). Powering it externally apparently takes 5 volts 2.4 amps which maybe more indicative of what power it requires while recording. For those who are truely interested, you might want to go to creative labs newsgroup and watch reports from people beta testing it. Post questions like the above Report back here. Sean ------------------------------ From: Seth Breidbart Subject: Re: sorry :) here it is! Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:49:32 -0500 (EST) The problem (as I see it) with firewire devices is that they're all "devices": they live on the device end of the chain, and need a computer at the smart end. I'd love to see a tiny "computer" that only talks to firewire devices, and allows transfers between them. Somehow, I don't expect to see it any time soon, do we'd be copying to laptops, then maybe using the jukebox III as additional storage. Seth ------------------------------ From: "michael schuncke" Subject: money and dats............ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:20:20 -0800 MarcoMan made a lot of sense in his last post If someone is asking anything more than the actual cash value of a used DAT, then theres an appearance of improriety that would lead one to belive that your paying for the intellectual property (thats not yours)on the tape.......and thats not cool,IMHO Sure, theres the argument of time/equipment to make the recording, and that your saving a "newbie" time/trouble But you do not own the intellectual property on the tape, and to charge anything more than what a used DAT blank is worth implies that you are asking someone to pay for whats on the tape What is a used dat worth anyways.....50 cents? Cassette House cant be payin much more than that for thier "once used" dats they sell. Of course, they buy in quanity and even erase them for you cheers- michael ------------------------------ From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." Subject: Re: SPDIF format & .wav's & Nomad 3 Reply-To: wayne@hoxnet.com Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:35:32 -0600 (CST) On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, Winnie Olmer wrote: > a recent post from steve about creative labs soon to be released nomad 3 > looks very interesting as a DAT replacement. my (very limited) understanding > is that a DAT signal passing from my tascam da-30 to my computer using sound > forge is some sort of "time code signal standard", and that it is sound > forge that is saving the signal as a .wav on my hard drive. i could surely > be way off on my understanding here!! > my question is, since the nomad 3 can record .wav files, and has a digital > in... is it a replacement for a DAT. would it possibly take in a digital > signal from my A/D(zefiro or sbm-1) and record it as a .wav? I am unclear > about signals, formats and which piece of equipment and what point is > creating a .wav file. > it would be great to get rid of my high maintenance DAT recorder and tapes. > I put all my music to CD so the specs on the nomad are comparable in audio > quality. > thanks for the feedback! > winnie That's the way I read it. It has a 1/8 inch plug with an optical interface (like most portable minidiscs) so it should take an S/PDIF input from any other equipment, just like a DAT when used with an external A/D. I would certainly want to check out the specs in detail though. It is possible that, for instance, the S/PDIF input is always resampled to 44.1. It would also be nice if it accepted 24/96, but I think that's a stretch. I'm also interested in how the harddisk is implemented. If it is like a standard 2 inch laptop harddisk that can be removed easily (and even replaced with a larger unit, ala TIVO) and just plugged into the IDE bus (laptop 44 pin to IDE 40 pin adapters are common) it would be even easier to transfer to CD or whatever. In short, I think the portable HD recorders are coming of age. -- Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr. wayne@hoxnet.com http://www.hoxnet.com PGP Key ID 138BCEE1 ------------------------------ From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." Subject: RE:DAT to CD recording Reply-To: wayne@hoxnet.com Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:41:36 -0600 (CST) On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, Tom McCreadie wrote: > Gordon Gidluck in # 196: > > >>...Also, another option is to do the sample rate conversion on a computer > in software. This can be a time consuming process for the absolute best > filtering, but it does produce excellent results. Some softwares can do > this realtime while recording, but you are better off quality wise in > doing the offline processing which takes longer....<< > > Those looking for high quality software SRC without shelling out for CEP > Pro and suchlike might want to take a look at the Freeware program, SSRC: > > > > This is a command line program with various switches for controlling > quality, batch processing etc. It came to my notice on a recommendation of > the ubiquitous Usenetter, Arny Krueger, who found it better in certain ways > than his trusty CEP. > > Tom > Let's not forget SOX too (there's a link to SOX from the above mentioned page). It has a whole buttload of parameters for the various resampling algorithms. This gives you a lot of control over the resampling process if you know what you are doing (if you don't, the defaults are as good or better than most of the comercial stuff I've seen). I like the dither option of SSRC though. I'll have to try that out and see how it sounds. -- Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr. wayne@hoxnet.com http://www.hoxnet.com PGP Key ID 138BCEE1 ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. Problems or questions about a subscription should be addressed via these avenues and then if needed to dat-heads-owner@datheads.phish.net or postmaster@datheads.phish.net never the list itself You can submit a message for inclusion in the next digest via this address: Internet: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net Archives of DAT-Heads digests and related files are available on the DAT-Heads home page: http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/ End of DAT-Heads Digest ******************************