DAT-heads Digest #202, Volume #6 Thu, 31 Jan 02 14:50:01 EST Contents: FS: Denecke AD-20 Preamp and A/D Converter (TriscitMan@aol.com) extra SCI DATs ("gordon wilson") Sound Forge cutting on proper CD sector boundaries ("pwking") ISO: Virgos/Tantric/Creed 2002 tour tapers (JBrink7402@aol.com) ISO: Richard Cruz ("Steve Marshall") dmic 20 trouble ("Dave Stephens") PLEASE READ THIS NOTE:Black rebel motor cycle club ("Chris.VOYNET") re: weird question regarding diginoise ("Marc Nutter") ISO: Starsailor/Charlatans UK Irving Plaza NYC Looking for a preamp (Thomas Riger) Re: DA-P1 Question (Alan Saferstein) Stevie Ray Vaughn ("Paul Gibian") re: new cdr burning question: TAO vs DAO ("Slipkid") ISO: SBM-1 ("rkp") Selling: Sony D8, American Digital 7 Pin, and Eco Charge (Thomas Riger) ISO- Bob Dylan Floor ticket for 3/1/01 NCRC? ("Bob Silver") make my own battery pack. ("purple") RE: Changing Discs in portable CD-R ("Marc Nutter") ISO Taper for Mountain Stage this weekend, MCC at UCLA 1/26/02 (David Danek) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TriscitMan@aol.com Subject: FS: Denecke AD-20 Preamp and A/D Converter Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:57:49 EST I'm selling my old denecke ad-20 to upgrade to something nicer. Excellent condition. Used for about 25-30 shows. Purcahsed from Sound Pros about a year ago. XLR in's and Coax or Optical outs. Runs off of a 9v battery. I'll also throw in the AC Adapter. Any serious offers will be considered. I purchased mine for around $400 new. For more info on the AD-20, check out: http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?category=570&item=DEN-AD20&type=store Thanks guys!!! -Greg (Triscitman@aol.com) ------------------------------ From: "gordon wilson" Subject: extra SCI DATs Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:09:27 -0500 I have an extra copy of this that I'd like to trade for non SCI. SCI 10-1-99 Variety Playhouse Atlanta,GA all DSBDMartix 2 60m email me if interested. Gordon "Life's a garden...dig it" Joe Dirt ------------------------------ From: "pwking" Subject: Sound Forge cutting on proper CD sector boundaries Reply-To: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:27:47 -0700 hi -- i'm going to pose a question that's been posed here before, but never answered to my satisfaction: i'm curious if it's possible to configure Sound Forge 4.5 to cut tracks on proper CD sector boundaries. yes, i'm familiar with CD-WAV. that's not my question, thanks. i'd like to not use CD-WAV if possible, as i find the interface clunky at best... I'd like to find a solution that involves using Sound Forge and Sound Forge *only*. as far as i can tell, the solution would involve 'snap to grid' and a grid of 75 FPS, only I can't really tell how to do this in sound forge! under Options > Status, you can define the default number of frames per second, which is half the battle, and elsewhere under the Options menu you can select 'Auto Snap to Zero' or 'Auto Snap to Time', but as far as I can tell this still doesn't deliver the behavior required. If anyone can shed any light on this issue for me, I'd love to hear from you... thanks peter _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: JBrink7402@aol.com Subject: ISO: Virgos/Tantric/Creed 2002 tour tapers Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:57:25 EST I would like to get in touch with anyone that has taped shows from this current tour. I have masters from the Houston show 1/21 that I can offer in trade. *Please* send me an email and I'll get back with you ASAP. Thanks, John ------------------------------ From: "Steve Marshall" Subject: ISO: Richard Cruz Reply-To: "Steve Marshall" Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:14:56 -0600 Sorry for the WOB... Richard - if you're still out there, drop me a line. Thanks! WOB tax - King Crimson 11/15/01 to the first person who wants it, B&P or trade Steve ------------------------------ From: "Dave Stephens" Subject: dmic 20 trouble Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:19:46 -0500 hey all, just wondering if anyone would have the experience that i had with the dmic yesterday. here is the scenario...... get to show, set up rig, turn on power to dmic then every led lights up and the phantom power switch is still off. then i unplug the dmic several times and replug it in and still get either all the left leds lit or all led's lit. finally i get the thing goin and turn on the phantom power and the levels on the dmic are all the way down. all switches off. normally i see the level on my d8 hit one or two bars with it set this low. but not this time. levels are all the way over 12 and if i turn on another dip switch then the levels are pegging over. listening through headphones there is much digi nois and popping sounds and static. so, there is the trouble. anyone have any thoughts as to what might be happening here? mic cables or mics or the dmic are my thoughts but when i return home after the show and set all back up it seems to be responding fine. any and all thoughts appreciated on or off list. wob...b&p of moe nye. 4 80's. to the first 2. thanx much, ds ------------------------------ From: "Chris.VOYNET" Subject: PLEASE READ THIS NOTE:Black rebel motor cycle club Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:15:39 +0100 Hi, I love this band A LOT!! If you have recorded or planned to record one of their concerts around Europe, please let me know... Chris http://www.chez.com/chrisboots/ ------------------------------ From: "Marc Nutter" Subject: re: weird question regarding diginoise Reply-To: "Marc Nutter" Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:15:46 -0700 Hi Anthony and All, a.patrizio@verizon.net wrote: >hey guys, >I'm just sitting here bored and I was wondering something. >Normally, when I receive a new show on DAT I give it a good >listen. If I hear diginoise, I quickly check the error counts. >If the error counts are high at that spot, I ask for a re-clone. >If the error counts stay low, I don't bother because I assume >my source's DAT has the diginoise, as well. But, I'm thinking, >is this necessarily true? Let's say my source's playback deck has >dirty heads and plays a normally clean tape improperly resulting >in diginoise, that noise appears on my clone of course, but do >the error counts on *my* copy reflect this? Your machine would NOT reflect the errors. They are specific to the tape you have based on its recording and playback. A recording on clean deck from a machine sending nothing but digital noise would still read very low error counts providing that it is played back on a clean and properly aligned machine. >So, could I have been wrong all along in assuming that since >my DAT w/ diginoise has no error problems, my source's dat >has the diginoise too? Your trading partner may have a clean tape but if it is passed through a dirty or misaligned deck, the diginoise will be sent to your copy. You should have your trading partner check his tape on more than one machine at the point where you heard noise on your copy. >Its not a major issue in my life, but I'm very curious >as to what you experts have to say on this matter. Thank >you, sirs! Experts? Where?? : ) Happy Recording, Marc Marc Nutter Sonic Sense, Inc. 2755 S. Gilpin St. Denver, CO 80210 Toll Free Phone (877) 324-4463 http://www.sonicsense.com ------------------------------ From: Subject: ISO: Starsailor/Charlatans UK Irving Plaza NYC Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:20:35 -0500 Looking for someone who taped last night's Starsailor/Charlatans UK gig at the Irving Plaza New York City. Of special interest regarding that recording is Starsailor's encore one song jam of Bob Dylan's "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue" with 3 members of the Charlatans (unusual for an opening band to do an encore). Please contact me if you taped this show. Have lots of Starsailor to trade and some Charlatans too. http://home.netcom.com/~kenko1 Bandwidth Tax: Tenacious D - 10/31/01 San Francisco Warfield. CSHEB/DPA 4061 > M1 @ 48kHz > Philips CDR880 (downsampled to 44.1 kHz)to CDRW > EAC to WAV > CDWAV for track indexing > CDR at 2x (2 CDRs). First person to email me off the list gets it. ------------------------------ From: Thomas Riger Subject: Looking for a preamp Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:53:18 -0500 I am looking for a descent preamp for a reasonable. Perferably a Sony SBM-1. I know they are hard to get. If any one has one laying around I would gladly take it off your hands. I am also looking for a good soundcard perferably an external one. Any help would be great. Reply to TRiger@optonline.net Thanks Thomas tariger.phishhook.com ------------------------------ From: Alan Saferstein Subject: Re: DA-P1 Question Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:17:44 -0500 I apologize for this being time dealyed. I found it in my drafts folder. I must have written it while off line and forgot to send it. =============== First off I admit that I only know enough about this dangerous! I raise it as a possibility hoping someone who does know about this can comment. It MAY have something to do with the category code. I have a DA-30 at home and feed it with a Audio Alchemy DTI. The reason I use it is because the v1.0 of the DTI lets you write tapes with one copy allowed. My D7 -> DA-30 (or vice versa) setup adheres to SCMS. At one point Dan Vincent modified the box for me. He made it so that I could change the category code the signal would show (hoping to cure this problem. Up until then I had to go DA-30->DTI->D7 because of this brickwalling phenomenon and wanted to be able to go D7->DTI->DA-30). I remember for a certain category code, occasionally and unpredictably, my DA-30 meters would mash zero with a terrible, tweeter blowing, scratching noise. I brought the DTI to a show once or twice to use as a distribution box, as Dan had also installed two extra outputs for me. A friend plugged his DA-P1 in and got the same phenomenon I got at home with the DA-30. This never happened with any Sony deck, seems to be a Tascam issue. I stopped his deck, changed the switches, and he got good levels. At home when it would happen I'd cycle or change the category code switch and it would clean up the signal. I think I remember Seth asking if the AD500 has a category code some DAT decks don't like. Food for thought. Alan =============== > From: "ev" > Subject: Re: DA-P1 Question and CD Offer > Reply-To: "ev" > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:15:30 -0400 > > Without more info and being there, best I could do is guess. > Although this is more typical with other portables that with > the DA-P1, it sounds like you may have gone into a record > mode before there was a digital signal to which to synch. > In general, all tapers geeting a digital feed should always > make sure that the ADC or deck in front of you is showing > good levels before hitting record on your deck. Also it is > very common for levels to look ok before a band comes on > and then brickwall when the SPL in the room is much higher. > peace, further... > e > > > From: ZepMan@aol.com on Fri, 5 Oct 2001 00:56:45 EDT > > > I was recently taping a concert my signal came direct via an a/d500e. > > Before the band came on I had (normal) levels and thought everything > > was fine, when I went to start the tape I saw the levels brickwalling > > on my deck, while the master deck was fine. I stopped and started > > the deck, still brickwalling. I had to power down then > > power up to get accurate levels. > > What gives? > ==================================================== Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ------------------------------ From: "Paul Gibian" Subject: Stevie Ray Vaughn Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:27:46 -0800 Does any one have the set list for SRV's next to last show (8/25/90)? Or a web site that has this information? Thank you. Paul ------------------------------ From: "Slipkid" Subject: re: new cdr burning question: TAO vs DAO Reply-To: "Slipkid" Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:48:26 -0500 rand0m wrote: >This may be something specific to Nero... >Since you can set the pause between tracks to anything you like >(obviously, using 0 for a disc of live material), is there any >reason to go with DAO over TAO or vice-versa? yes there is a reason to go with DAO over TAO (i believe several reasons actually) first, if you burn in TrackAtOnce, the laser will turn off between tracks!! so, in theory, even with gaps set to "0", this will still leave slight gaps between each track, that could sound like "pfffpts" or at the very least make for wierd track transitions...i don't see how the laser could start back up for the next track at EXACTLY the right place, with the disc spinning around etc i BELIEVE that this is true but i've never tried it for myself (i don't have software that burns TAO); how about you trying an experiment and reporting back to the group? >I'm presuming that this is inregards to burning a disc where all >of the source material (audio and/or data) has been preassembled, >so that the disc will be finalized as soon as the material has >been burned onto the disc. don't think that even matters...TAO does not work the same way as DAO in several respects, even if you COULD avoid the "gaps"....for example in TAO the table of contents gets written after the audio is finished (as part of the finalization, goes back & then writes what really should have been written first)...other differences as well...all of which can cause various headaches/problems....at least that is my understanding of TAO vs. DAO voodoo Yangkun Zhang (anyone heard from him lately?) had some excellent posts on this kind of stuff a couple years back...here's a quote from http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/digests/V3.600/D664#Msg8 ***TAO is simple, write each track and then shut off the laser. After all tracks are written, fixate the disc by appending a lead-out and then, shut off the laser, moves it from up to 117 mm from center to 46 mm from center and write the TOC. The disc written in this manner is not an IEC 908 compliant disc, though it does play in most (nearly all) post 1988 CD players. The reason for this is simple, there is no proper transition from the lead-in to the pre-gap, no proper transition between each track (though the 150 sector padding between tracks are satisfied), and no proper transition between the program area and lead-out. Most annoyingly of all, as one cannot edit the PQ subcode in TAO mode, one suffer from the 150 sector gap between tracks, making the TAO mode unusa ble in any circumstance where the audio is to seamlessly extend across multiple tracks.*** so - i say always use DAO unless you have a specific reason to write in TAO (wanting to go back and add tracks later perhaps) speaking of this kind of stuff, i find that discs made in standalone burners have all kinds of wierd results...they are not DAO, they are not TAO, but something in between, and sometimes they cause fits/errors on my PC when i try to copy them (EG: i have a friend who on EVERY single disc made in his standalone burner has errors/corruption in the lead-in area, that although the discs PLAY ok in regular players, i have to go to extremes to copy them correctly on my PC)....some discs i get from standalones appear to be fine, but the ones that have wierd problems, sheesh!! - jon - ------------------------------ From: "rkp" Subject: ISO: SBM-1 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:14:47 -0500 Is there any place left that may have an SBM-1 left in stock? I want to buy one new if possible, please mail me off-list. Thanks. ------------------------------ From: Thomas Riger Subject: Selling: Sony D8, American Digital 7 Pin, and Eco Charge Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:28:42 -0500 I am posting this for a friend who seems to be having a problem posting to this board. Selling Sony D8 was purchased in December 2001, Has less than 10 hours of use on it. Only 5 hours of record time. It comes with, Original box, manual, AC adaptor, Cleaning Tape, used once. American Digital 7Pin to Coaxial I/O Male (with Coupler) Purchased in December of 2001 Eco Charge Battery Pack, Purchased December 2001 has been used twice. Comes with carrying case, manual, AC adaptor and 6v adaptor. I paid about 1050 dollars with shipping for all this brand new in December of 2001. This stuff is less than 2 months old, and is basically brand new. I would like to get 900 dollars for it. OBO, Please feel free to email me for any questions. Mike Ward irieeye420@aol.com 219-864-5778 This is a great deal so don't waste any time! ------------------------------ From: "Bob Silver" Subject: ISO- Bob Dylan Floor ticket for 3/1/01 NCRC? Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:02:00 -0500 I am going to try and record Bobby tomorrow, but I'm looking for nice ticket in which to do this from, preferably, since I use CSB's...I would like to be on the floor, within 10 or so rows from the stage, my best tapes always come from about that range! Even side stage will do! Just figured I'd try the masses! I will still try TM! Thanks! Gather the memories and spread the love!! Peace, Boca Bob Silver ~~ ) ~~~~ )> ~~~~ )> ~~ http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/b/o/bocabob/TAPELIST.HTM http://www.thephilzone.com/ ~~ ) ~~~~ )> ~~~~ )> ~~ ------------------------------ From: "purple" Subject: make my own battery pack. Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:06:03 +0100 Hi ! I would like to know how I make my own battery pack So I can record about 8-10 houers on one battery pack. This are wath I use now: Dat recorder Sony: TCD-D100 Battery: GP 1800 mAh NIMH 1,2 V (8 batterys) Please let me know how I can do...mail me at this Adress purple@algonet.se or mail to dat heads. Thanks, urban ------------------------------ From: "Marc Nutter" Subject: RE: Changing Discs in portable CD-R Reply-To: "Marc Nutter" Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:30:54 -0700 Hi All, I just noticed this was bounced back to me from last week. I mistyped the address. >From: Adam Smith >Subject: Changing Discs in portable CD-R >I'm curious as to the amount of time it will take the Marantz or >Superscope to finalize a disc. I doubt many folks are going to want to >wait 2-3 minutes to eject while live recording. Hi Adam (and All), This was one of my big concerns when I saw the CDR300 at NAMM last week. Like most CD recorders, you do NOT need to finalize before unloading the disc. It takes a total of about 15 seconds to unload a disc, load the next, have it recognized and begin recording again. This will sure seem like an eternity at shows while waiting for it to re-load between songs. But, hey, a little stress buzz only makes it more fun : ) Yeah, right! Happy Recording, Marc Marc Nutter Sonic Sense, Inc. 2755 S. Gilpin St. Denver, CO 80210 Toll Free Phone (877) 324-4463 http://www.sonicsense.com ------------------------------ From: David Danek Subject: ISO Taper for Mountain Stage this weekend, MCC at UCLA 1/26/02 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:50:53 -0800 (PST) Looking for someone that can get a clean stereo feed of this weekend's Mountain Stage show (a rebroadcast of the 500th show feat Bruce Cockburn, Steve Earle, Amy Ray and others). Also looking for anyone that might have rolled at Mary Chapin Carpenter's performance at UCLA last weekend. My taping buddy only got part of the show due to deck problems. She appeared with author Anne Lamott. And, as always, looking to trade for nice recordings of Mary Chapin, Shawn Colvin, Indigo Girls if ya got em!! Especially looking for the Anti-Landmine shows from Dec 2001!!!!! Also thinking about adding a Zefiro InBox/Denecke AD-20 to my rig. If you have a used one in very good/exc condition with mini>XLR cabes, let me know! Thanks, Dave BWT: One B&P copy of each of the following shows to celebrate the Mtn Stage rebroadcast: Bruce Cockburn 8/1/00 Slims (90m DAT) Amy Ray and the Butchies 4/28/01 Slims (60m DAT) Steve Earle/MCC 7/19/01 Marin Center (3 cd) All shows made with Core Sound HEB mics>M1 and sound nice! ****One show per person; first come on each show, first served!**** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! 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