DAT-heads Digest #205
Contents:
basic DAT-to-computer digital transfer question ("Marc Macauley")
ISO: Taper for Modest Mouse in Salt Lake City on 2/18 ("Jason Roth")
RE: Nero Bug: But Is It Real? (Not Really) ("Bob Griesel")
RE: Nero Bug: But Is It Real? (Not Really) ("Matt")
taped a few shows recently (vaco, emma gibbs) (William Draper)
European Alien Ant Farm/Dredg tour dates ("Steve Mew")
MORE DEAD DATS UP FOR TRADE!! LOOK! :-) (Wavy Davy D)
VX Pocket Help.... ("Chris Black")
How do I get rid of the second gap between cuts on CD-R... ("JoeRay Skrha")
looking for Aerosmith US/Japan 2002 shows on DAT tape ("Tom Bjelland")
DAT / CDR Questions ("J. Williams")
From: "Marc Macauley" <op132@bigfoot.com>
Subject: basic DAT-to-computer digital transfer question
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:11:22 -0800
I have just installed the Hoontech SB DB III, which adds optical and coaxial
in/out capabilities to my SoundBlaster Live card. I recently bought the Sony
POC-DA12P cable, and now that I have the appropriate (optical) input jack in
my computer, I thought I'd try it out with my Sony PCM-M1, intending to
transfer about an hour of music from the DAT to my computer.
Somehow, I was under the impression that I could digitally 'transfer' the
data from the DAT to my computer, much like I would rip an audio track from
a CD or copy files from a Zip drive. (I may be completely mistaken about
this.) The only way I can figure out how to do the transfer is to play back
the DAT (which I then hear in my speakers) and record it in real-time (from
the "SPDIF-In" recording source) using a program such as Creative Recorder.
Is there any easier or quicker way to transfer music from my PCM-M1 to my
computer? If not, is it possible to at least automatically pick up the
Start-ID's and create a new file for each track (program) on the DAT tape?
Also, is there any way to automatically adjust the recording level on the
computer so that the levels of the resulting wav file on the computer match
those on the DAT?
Thanks,
Marc Macauley
From: "Jason Roth" <jroth793@attbi.com>
Subject: ISO: Taper for Modest Mouse in Salt Lake City on 2/18
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:19:19 -0800
Hey everyone,
I'm looking for someone who can tape Modest Mouse in Salt Lake City, UT
on Febuary 8th for the Mountain Dew Ice Village festival. They will have
snowboarding and other extreme sports going on during the day, followed by a
concert each night. Modest Mouse is playing on the 18th. The show starts at
8pm and tickets are 22 dollars. You can buy only a concert ticket if thats
all you want to do...you dont have to watch the snowboarders all day. If
anyone can tape this for me...I will pay for tickets, gas, tapes, etc.. Also
I will trade you whatever from my list. I have all the other 4 Modest Mouse
shows this month being covered, so if you are into em...you can get more!
Please e-mail me at mailto:jroth793@attbi.com Thanks everyone! And for the
other preformers at this festival is anyone is wondering...
02/09- Cheap Trick
02/10- Coolio
02/11- The Roots
02/12- Big Bad Vodoo Daddy
02/13- George Clinton
02/14- LFO
02/15- Nikka Costa
02/16- Pennywise
02/17- 80's Night
02/18- Modest Mouse
From: "Bob Griesel" <sundance@olywa.net>
Subject: RE: Nero Bug: But Is It Real? (Not Really)
Reply-To: <sundance@olywa.net>
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:36:20 -0800
Interesting discussion. The primary burning package in my little
studio is Steinberg WaveLab. WaveLab also has a self-verifying
CD ripping function similar to EAC. Copying CDs with WaveLab
goes: Rip > Create a new CD from the resulting tracks > Burn CD.
WaveLab has few burning options. It burns only Redbook standard
audio CDs that are suitable to send to a commercial duplicating
facility. If there is anything wrong with the tracks, it will refuse
to burn until the problem has been fixed. The most common problem
is an error message about the track marker not being quantitized
to the edge of a 588 sample frame. This may happen on one or
two tracks or on all tracks. It is easy to fix, but each track must
be opened in edit so that WaveLab can make the repair. Once
this is done, the CD burns fine and is flaw-free so far as I can
tell.
I've never asked about the source of these problem CDs. I just
assume that all software is not equal. I wish now that I had asked.
If these CDs have been coming from Nero users, then the bug may
be real. On the other hand, if I've been getting Nero-sourced CDs
that *do not* need fixing, then there is probably not a bug in Nero.
Any thoughts on this? Do any Nero users out there remember
sending me any CDs?
Peace,
Bob
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"People need celebration in their life. We need magic.
And bliss. . . its a part of the basic human experience. . ."
Jerry Garcia, 1989
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Wulf [mailto:TaWulf@wulfware.de]
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 4:28 AM
> To: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net
> Subject: Nero Bug: But Is It Real? (Not Really)
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I was amazed at both reading about this supposed bug and the following
> silence on the list. Hm.
>
> To Recap: There is an obvious bug in the display of Nero's audio track
> list. Each track is shown to be one sector shorter than is is. And
> since these missing sectors add up in the track list, one might assume that
> the last sector of each track is actually missed and not written. Ouch!
>
> Now, I suggest, that before boycotting Ahead or list members, we make
> sure it is real. Isn't it funny that it was never mentioned here
> before? At least I never heard of it and since I use Nero from
> Version 3 this would hardly have gone unnoticed. So here goes a little
> reality check, cheapest first..:
>
> I have traded with dozens of traders hundreds of shows with thousands
> of tracks, most of them segued and *nobody* *ever* found *any* problem, even
> though track transitions are a prime interest of ours. And some of my
> partners are quite picky. How come? Sure, the supposedly missing
> sectors will often not create an audible gap, but never?
>
> When editing tracks after transferring from DATs I sometimes got the
> file length wrong, resulting in incomplete last sectors which get
> filled with 0s and produce and the little clicks, called sector
> aligmnent errors. If the last sectors always get dropped, why would it click??
> Sure, maybe only complete sectors get dropped, but that's not likely either..
>
> Still, not conclusive. So I went down on my hands and knees and
> re-extracted a CD I just had burned from SHN. (Thanks Chris!)
>
> While there is a shift in the data, abolutely no samples were missing.
> Sure it looked a bit strange at first, but all is well with Nero's
> audio CD, IMO. Shifting audio data are unfortunalty quite normal and
> while a few systems can avoid it, it will only loose data in the 1st or
> in the last few sectors of a disc. Never between tracks as this bug is
> supposed to do! (and leaving just 1 second of fade-in/out will suffice
> for many dozens of susequent extractions, all of which wouldn't be
> needed if we all traded shns, but I digress..)
>
> Details: Burner used: Plexwriter 12/10/32S, no write compensation (WC) , Nero 5.5,
> Reader: UltraPlex40S, no read compensation (RC), EAC;
> samples added at beginning of track 1: 646,
> samples missing at end of track 1: 1234;
> with a RC of 676 and a WC of -30 for my devices the shift at the
> beginning is in precise accordance with the EAC users' database.
>
> But what about all those missing samples at the end?? Well they all
> were there, right at the beginning of track 2 and so forth! I hope I
> didn't mess up my test, as the danger of wishful thinking is evident,
> but I can't see how. (To measure the sample offsets I looked at the samples in CE2K and
> no I didn't
> use sine tones, which look the same at each cycle but real audio hiss
> from 5-24-74.)
>
> So: SET NERO-RED-ALERT=OFF
>
> But at the Bug-report site, there an e-mail from Ahead admitting the
> bug!? If the bug in Nero isn't real, why did they admit it?
>
> Well, the disply of Nero certainly has a bug, showing tracks 1 sector smaller than they
> are; this is not a time IMO when to start a count a 0; and adding a
> few of these quirky off by 1 numbers up results in a clearly and
> alarmingly wrong *display*. But the *burning* does NOT seem to be affected.
>
> Ahead didn't specify which bug they found and will correct, but the display
> clearly looks sick, once you create tracks with simple lengths like
> exactly 1 or 2 minutes. So I expect this will be fixed and nothing
> else needs fixing.
>
> :):):)
>
>
> Thomas mailto:TaWulf@wulfware.de
>
>
From: "Matt" <matt@mattb.net>
Subject: RE: Nero Bug: But Is It Real? (Not Really)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:57:08 -0700
The issue is really one of hardware. Every (AFIK) CD reader and writer has
an offset. That's the number of samples off it is from the position it
reports back. This will create a shift like was described. Here's a link on
how to correct for it in EAC http://pages.cthome.net/homepage/eac/setup1.htm
and a little more background information on offsets. Last I knew no other
reading or writing software pays any attention to offsets, creating the
shift. So every commercial reading or writing package apparently has this
"bug".
Matt
From: William Draper <wdraper@expressionanalysis.com>
Subject: taped a few shows recently (vaco, emma gibbs)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:56:33 -0500
so i've been a busy little taper over the past few days. went to the cat's
cradle in chapel hill thursday for the virginia coalition show (with
revelation darling opening), and the pour house in raleigh for the emma
gibbs band on friday. good times at the vaco show, and the tape came out ok
(some clipping due to the excessive loudness of the venue and my
inexperience). emma gibbs was good, as always. unfortunately, some drunk
girl thought it would be fun to do her strip tease routine on my mic stand.
not good times...bad times. so, i guess there will be some serious noise on
the tape. anyway, if anyone is interested in these shows, my ftp info is on
jesse goodier's dds ftp site (siteops contact me if you want an upload).
check out my page if you are interested in what being taped in the raleigh,
nc area (as i seem to be the only one taping around here).
www.310furches.com\billpage\
wed
From: "Steve Mew" <paragon_of_virtue@hotmail.com>
Subject: European Alien Ant Farm/Dredg tour dates
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 17:59:33 -0800
sort of late, but better late then never...
If your taping Alien Ant Farm on their European dates please tape the
opening band dredg. Lots of like material to trade.
dredg is taper friendly, dunno about aaf, your milegae may vary.
date venue city state country notes
2/2/2002 Brixton Academy London ENG United Kingdom W/Alien Ant Farm
2/4/2002 Batschkapp Frankfurt Germany w/ Alien Ant Farm
2/5/2002 Soundgarden Dortmund Germany W/Alien Ant Farm
2/6/2002 013 Tilburg Netherlands W/Alien Ant Farm
2/7/2002 Vooruit / Concert Hall Ghent Belgium W/Alien Ant Farm
2/8/2002 Elysee Montmartre Paris France W/Alien Ant Farm
2/10/2002 Milan Trannsilvania Live Italy W/Alien Ant Farm
2/11/2002 Abart Music Club Zurich Germany W/Alien Ant Farm
2/12/2002 Elserhlle Munich Germany W/Alien Ant Farm
2/13/2002 Gruenspan Hamburg Germany W/Alien Ant Farm
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From: Wavy Davy D <digitaldimar@yahoo.com>
Subject: MORE DEAD DATS UP FOR TRADE!! LOOK! :-)
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:43:11 -0800 (PST)
All these are up for trade for 45 cdrs....and
please dont ask me to sort any out and dont send
me a list that has shns on it! I do not want to
pollute my collection with music that sounds like
it has many analog gens! The shit below is clean
and thats what I'd like in return. This is a
screaming good deal,and all I want is more shows
onto cdr for these monsters.I dont really care
what band you have.....I just want to add on to
my list. I prefer DEAD,JGB,recent Phil and
anything Warren Haynes related and even more
Beatles,I don't care as long as it's from as a
picky fucker as I am. Heres the list-0-DATs:
1- 8-27-72 sony dg 60 sbd/m
2- 8-27-72 same as above
3- 10-3-94 tdk dc4 90 meter daud mics uk
4- 8-5-71 sony dg 60 met aud/2
5- 11-11-85 tdk dc490 sbd/m some digi noise in
set 1
6- 11-2-84 kao 60 sbd/m AWESOME!! set 2 only
7- 8-15-71 max hs 90 sbd/m has fill 12-1-71
8- 3-25-85 tdk dc4 90 me sbd/m set 2 only and
3-24-90 dsb set 1
9- 3-24-90 kao 60 me dsb set 2
10- 3-28-85 tdk dc 4 90 sbd/m set 2 only and
8-30-85 set 2 sbd/m
11- 6-2-95 u/k 60 me set 1 sbd/1 and set 1 of
8-30-85 sbd/m tape flip @ deal
12- 6-2-95 sony dt-120 sbd/1
13- 9-17-73 max hs 90 me sbd/m
14- 9-11-81 u/k 90 mete aud/m senn 421s fob
15- 9-12-81 same as above
16- 7-15-88 kao 90 m d/ih/fm
17- 8-14-71 max hs4 90 m sbd/m
18- 3-21-86 sony dg 90 m aud/m schoeps(?)
19- 10-21-83 u/k 90 m daud senn 441s fob!!
20- 5-4-86 max hs4 90 meter aud/m mics(?)
21- 5-3-86 same as above
22- 4-27-85 tdk dc 4 90 sbd/m some dn @ start
23- 5-24-69 partial tdk dc 4 90 sbd/m and 9-6-69
all sbd/m
Theres more to follow in 1 week from today!
More non dead stuff(PF,Rolling Stones and My
Favorite band lately....MULE)....Ahhhh! Also all
dsb,daud and master ana>dat!! NO SHNs!!
B/W Tax: DEAD Houston,Tx. 8-30-85 all sbd/m.(The
start of Deal is snipped due to a tape flip) But,
Get your pistols out yo' pants cowboys cause this
F*#%n' show rocks!!
2 80 min cdrs
Ciao,
Davy
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From: "Chris Black" <chris_melas01@hotmail.com>
Subject: VX Pocket Help....
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 00:49:34 -0500
Hey All,
Just got this card and can't get input in Samplitude. I would very much
appreciate any help users of this card can offer. The drivers seem to be
installed correctly; the software recognizes the card as the input device;
but no levels.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Chris in DC
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From: "JoeRay Skrha" <joeray@ptialaska.net>
Subject: How do I get rid of the second gap between cuts on CD-R...
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 22:51:33 -0900
Hello Fellow Tapers,
I need help...
Last month I had to reformat my hard drive due to my daughter getting
to many virus's from a CYPER PETS chat room. After reinstalling everything
the way I THOUGHT I had it before the re-formatting, I now find everytime I
go to play a CD-R in either my CD Writer or my DVD player, my window's
media player pops and plays my CD-R one track at a time with a second gap
between songs. Before this newer happened. I know these CD-R's are without
gaps and why it is playing with gaps now I do not know.
I have EAC to burn CD-R's and Sound Forge to edit my DATS and CD-R's.
I am fearful I should have installed other software to play my CD-R's
instead of the stuff that came with my Dell but again, I am not sure.
Anyone who can walk me through this problem can choose a few DATS or CD-R's
off my tape list I have built over the past 34 years of taping live...
Peace, Joe Ray at: joeray@ptialaska.net
From: "Tom Bjelland" <bloodfiends@hotmail.com>
Subject: looking for Aerosmith US/Japan 2002 shows on DAT tape
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 07:19:25
Hi DAT heads,
any japanese DAT taper out there who taped any Aerosmith JAPAN 2002 show?
I'm especially looking to trade for any of these Aerosmith Japan 2002 shows:
Osaka 1/25/2002
Osaka 1/27/2002
Fukuoka 1/29/2002
Nagoya 1/31/2002
Tokyo 2/2/2002
I'm also looking for these U.S 2001/2002 shows from DAT source:
07/17/01 Cuyahoga Falls, OH
07/19/01 St. Louis, MO
07/21/01 Bonner Springs KS
08/08/01 Mountain View, CA
08/10/01 George, WA
08/12/01 Marysville, CA
08/14/01 Concord, CA
08/18/01 Las Vegas, NV
08/20/01 Irvine, CA
08/24/01 Devore CA
08/28/01 San Antonio TX
08/30/01 Houston TX
09/03/01 New Orleans, LA
09/05/01 Memphis, TN
09/07/01 Cincinnati, OH
09/19/01 Nashville, TN
09/23/01 West Palm Beach, FL
09/25/01 Bristow, VA
10/15/01 Minneapolis, MN
10/17/01 Grand Forks, ND
10/21/01 Indianapolis, IN
10/23/01 Chicago, IL
10/25/01 Detroit/Auburn Hills, MI
10/31/01 Montreal, Canada
11/12/01 New York, NY
11/15/01 East Rutherford, NJ
11/17/01 Manchester, NH
11/19/01 Uncasville, CT
11/27/01 Tampa, FL
12/03/01 Champaign, IL
12/05/01 Dallas, TX
12/07/01 Little Rock, AK
01/07/02 Salt Lake City, UT
01/09/02 San Jose, CA
01/11/02 Las Vegas, NV
01/13/02 Los Angeles, CA
01/15/02 Fresno, CA
01/17/02 San Diego,CA
I have for trade these Aerosmith shows on DAT tape and cdrs:
Dallas TX 9/1/2001 I have DATM which includes complete show so that means
you will get DATC1(masterclone)if you want this.This show was the first show
were they played "Honky Tonk Women"."Sunshine" and "Drop Dead Georgeous"
also included on this show.Taped with SonyM1.I have several clones of this
show so if you want it you will get DATC1 clone.(DATM>DATC1)NICE sound.
Phoenix AZ 8/26/2001
Complete show taped with Sound Professional mics.I have several clones of
this show so if you want it you will get DATC1 clone.(DATM>DATC1)
Denver CO 1/5/2002
Complete show with SUPERB sound.Taped from 14th row in arena.Source is:
DATC1>MBHO>KA200N>Actives>JKLABS DVCV-12>M1
If you taped any of the Aerosmith U.S 2001 or Japan 2002 shows above please
e-mail me directly at: bloodfiends@hotmail.com to work out a trade.
If you send me any DAT/CDR list please send it to my other e-mail account
at: betzy117@hotmail.com
Hope to hear from you soon.
Thanks for the bandwith,
Tom
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From: "J. Williams" <williams@u.washington.edu>
Subject: DAT / CDR Questions
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 01:31:06 -0800 (PST)
Hi, I'm fairly new to DAT and have a few questions:
I bought a Sony PCM-M1 last year and not sure about a few things: when, if
ever, should I use the limiter? Should the attenuator be always used?
(A few recordings left it at 0dB but seemed there was some distortion even
though it didn't go over Zero on record levels). Isn't it more accurate to
call it an amplifier and the -20 setting is the standard?
I'd like to get a Component DAT deck and also a CD Recording. I'm looking
at the Sony DTC-ZE700 right now mostly for cost concerns and the fact my
requirements are modest. The recordings from my M1 I'd transfer to CDRs
using the ZE700. I could do this with the M1 but isn't the cable expensive
(and best put into another deck) and I thought it would reduce head wear
on the M1. Is the ZE700 the same as the PCM-R300 except SCMS? Does it
show error count and head usage? (How is this important and how to use
this information) Does it record analog at 44.1k? What outputs does it
have? I don't plan on trading any DATs (maybe CDRs, if anything).
So, will SCMS limit me if I get a CD Burner? Should I get a Pro CD
Recorder? Originally was thinking about the Sony CDR-W33 but then saw the
Marantz Dual CDR500. The dual trays would be handy at times. Any opinions
on the Marantz or other decks? Will the Marantz or any deck record/copy CD
enhanced/extra? (I can do this with my computer but curious)
Can I record from a microphone into RCA inputs? I saw that the Marantz
has XLR inputs as well as RCA. What's the difference? Is this the same as
balanced/unbalanced? This isn't clear to me. Is balanced much better?
What kind of cables to use? Coax? Optical? Find any major difference
between them? How about brands?
Being able to record from a microphone using either DAT or CD in the
future would be nice. I figure the money saved not getting a more
expensive DAT deck will go into a better CD recorder. (Also, I'm using a
laptop so the sound card isn't the best)
General Dat questions:
What about recording over old DAT tapes? LP mode? This best for recoding
FM broadcasts? Also, I have been recording everything at 44.1k; any
reason to use 48K if mostly transferring to CDRs?
Finally, any websites/links to check out? Any sources of DAT/CDR Deck
reliability?
Well think that's about it. Any comments/suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks, John
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