DAT-heads Digest #215
Contents:
ISO: Idlewild live shows (Christopher D Gacek (gace0003@gace0003.email.umn.edu))
matrix tapes (Bobby Gervais)
ISO SKB 2-5-2002 Conduit Trenton, NJ (Tim Newman)
Sam Bush Taping (Dan Gale)
femi kuti (=?iso-8859-1?q?el=20paquisto?=)
Re: Preamp advise ("mark wilkins")
Need WSP sit n Ski soundboards! ("Mincey, Patrick")
Re: Need WSP sit n Ski soundboards! (Seth Breidbart)
ISO: Tool and\or Pavement shows ("Mooney Monteilh")
My previous Leo Kottke B&P offer ("Ryan Haskell")
puter question (Duncan Oldham)
Zefiro ZA-2 & Win XP or 2000 ("Michael B. Green")
FS: Denecke AD-20/Zefiro Inbox and Denecke PS-2 ("Derek Swingley")
Re: Zefiro ZA-2 & Win XP or 2000 (Mark Mayhle)
Mic Threads ("Zach")
what's the story about some sound cards resampling digital I/O? (31st330i@roadfly.com)
SBM-1 vs. Mini-Me vs. AD2K+ ("Fitz, Jason")
FS: Tascam DA20 MKII / extra dats up for grabs (Chris Bozzelli)
Re: distance recording with at853 (Tom McCreadie)
Can you name these Leo Kottke tunes? ("Ryan Haskell")
From: Christopher D Gacek <gace0003@tc.umn.edu>
Subject: ISO: Idlewild live shows
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:09:26 -0600 (CST)
I'm looking for some good quality Idlewild shows from 2000 and 2001 on
cd. I have about 5-6 of theirs, plus tons of other recordings by other
bands. Send me your list if interested.
Chris
From: Bobby Gervais <ritchfan@airmail.net>
Subject: matrix tapes
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:33:30 -0500
I am hoping for some advice from some of you that have done matrix tapes
before (Gary davis- are you still out there????!!! )
I have the chance to tape Ian Moore, a great Texas guitarist and
songwriter, from the board in a small club here in Houston. Usually I just
use my trusty core sound mics and get a good audience tape, but this time I
can tap into the board. I am supposed to tape it for the fan club to put
on the website and I don't want to muck it up. help!!!!!!!!!!!
I want to make a matrix of the soundboard and a live mic. Also I am
considering a direct soundboard feed of the guitar channel, so I can make
sure it is prominent in the mix.
[I find most board tapes pretty sterile and lacking in guitar. I think you
get lots of vocals and kick drum, but the guitar in the mix seems to be
rather low, I presume because of the natural amplification from the stage
being rather loud] Anyway, that would be four channels.
I have a Behringer 16 channel mixer I bought today to do this ( i know I
only needed four channels, but hey, it was on sale and had sliders whereas
the 8 channel did not.....!!!).
I also bought an Oktava condenser mic (the 312 or something like that).
I plan to run the soundboard feed,live mic and perhaps the guitar direct
feed to the mixer, then mix down, then send to my Apogee Rosetta and on to
my Fostex D-5.
I would welcome any and all hints, advice and recommendations on how to get
a good tape this way.
Especially since I am not familiar with mixers, especially this one, are
there any common pitfalls to avoid?
Are there any rules on mic placement?
Should I listen through headphones onthe mixer or on the DAT deck to
monitor the recording?
Is it better to use the XLRs out from the board or 1/4 plugs?
Would a BBE Sonic Maximizer help the recording, or are those a waste of
$$$$$$??
Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to email me
privately, or perhaps we can all learn something from those who have done
it before???
cheers to ya!
Bobby Gervais
From: Tim Newman <i3lkpeter@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO SKB 2-5-2002 Conduit Trenton, NJ
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:05:20 -0800 (PST)
Howdy all,
looking for a copy of SKB 2-5-2002 @ Conduit in Trenton, NJ. I blew
my copy. Long story short, there was a slide projector directly
behind my mics and I picked up the fan noise in my left channel.
Damn! Not really noticeable during the louder passages, but during
the quieter parts it's really annoying. Dumped the DAT>HDD and
cut-n-pasted the right channel, but it sounds really, well, mono.
If anyone can help me out that'd really cool. Have list. Contact me
via e-mail if you are willing to help. Thanks!
-tim
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From: Dan Gale <dgale@loslobos.org>
Subject: Sam Bush Taping
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:05:54 -0800
Sam Bush is coming to town next weekend and I'm wondering if any folks
have recent experience taping him? I don't see him on the BTAT
site...any feedback would be appreciated.
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?el=20paquisto?= <crappysoundingbinaurals@yahoo.no>
Subject: femi kuti
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:48:02 +0100 (CET)
hi
i need information regarding femi kuti.
-is taping allowed?if so ..BA?
-and who do i approach for getting my rig set up( tour
manager,mr.kuti etc)?
-do they play loud and run stereo/or mono mix?
thanks a bunch!!!
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From: "mark wilkins" <wilkinsmd@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Preamp advise
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:30:08 -0500
> So my next question is what else is good for what I want? If it's
>inexpensive enough I could forgo the USB functionality for now. The Denecke
>AD-20 looks interesting, but it doesn't provide the phantom power I'd need.
>I also get the impression that it may not be as good as I once heard it
>was.
>That UA-5 does have phantom power, and for under $400 it may be the thing
>to
>get.
> Am I overlooking something nice and inexpensive? Is the a/d in the M1
>good enough to (very subjective question) make a purely analog preamp the
>best value? Are there going to be a bunch of nice digital preamps flooding
>the used market because everyone will be getting MiniMe's?
"Analog preamp" and "digital preamp" are misnomers IMO. Preamps are analog.
If they also have a built-in A/D then they have a digital output. There
aren't a lot of portable preamp / A/D combos on the market. The
Graham-Patten DMIC-20 is one near (but still above) your stated price range.
You may be able to find a deal on a used one.
There is nothing wrong with the A/D in the M1. I would go for a quality new
or used preamp first and then you can decide if you want to add an A/D later
when you have more money.
Mark
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From: "Mincey, Patrick" <pamincey@davidson.edu>
Subject: Need WSP sit n Ski soundboards!
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:33:13 -0500
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From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Need WSP sit n Ski soundboards!
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:36:21 -0500 (EST)
Your postings are still coming out encoded.
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Is what it looks like.
Seth
From: "Mooney Monteilh" <mooneymonteilh@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO: Tool and\or Pavement shows
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:10:13 -0600
SSIA-
I'm looking for clean, crisp Tool or Pavement shows. I don't have any of the
same, but I do have over a thousand hours to trade! I'll send a list!
Thanks,
Moon
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From: "Ryan Haskell" <ryan_haskell@hotmail.com>
Subject: My previous Leo Kottke B&P offer
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:09:51 -0500
Hey gang,
Thanks for all the interest in the Leo Kottke 02-02-02 B&P offer.
Since I've been flooded with requests, I'm just sending this note out to the
whole crowd to ask for your patience. I've got a lot of work ahead of me to
make all these copies, so it may take me a little while. But rest assured,
I'll get them to you as soon as I can.
Thanks,
Ryan
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From: Duncan Oldham <duncan1@capital.net>
Subject: puter question
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:28:52 -0500
Hello,just upgraded my puter with a dell,and it has a cdr burner ,burn
to the hard drive then back to a blank cdr" i hace always used a stand
alone burner and it has taken most of the day to figure this damm thing
out <<grin>>> got it so it burns the cd ,but some how i get those 2
second gaps between songs that i hate"" is it the program,me, the puter
or all of the above ahhhh i can,t figure it out"if anyone can set me
straight i,d be grateful:} i called dell but was on hold for 45 mins
i figured i,d get a better answer here:} thanks for the space,,,,,Duncan
From: "Michael B. Green" <mgreen@pencom.com>
Subject: Zefiro ZA-2 & Win XP or 2000
Reply-To: mgreen@computorney.com, mgreen@pencom.com
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:07:58 -0500
Hi all-
Just picked up a ZA-2 the other day, threw together a ragtag system from
scraps laying around and installed Win NT 4.0. Within 10 minutes, had
the ZA-2 working great...
Then, because I'm a glutton for punishment and since it was a new
install, there's nothing to lose to try some of the new OS's. So, I
installed Win XP Pro and zip. Won't recognize that the card is even
there... Driver's don't work and even manually trying to edit the system
files doesn't work...
So, I scratch the XP and install 2000 Pro next... Although I haven't
done a thorough job at hacking away to try all the workarounds I can
think of, it's not looking very promising...
I could probably live with just keeping it running NT 4.0 but waiting
for it to boot is like being on a 1 lane highway behind a 130 year old
woman with her left directional on for miles...
I know someone asked about XP & the ZA-2 and I e-mailed him personally
but he didn't get any responses (BTW, if you're reading this, I
obviously didn't get it to work yet either...)
I thought I would try again and this time, extend the question to Win
2000 Pro... If it's a suggestion, please e-mail me privately. If it's a
definite fix or guaranteed workable solution, please post it here for
anyone else who might need to know...
Thanks in advance...
Mikey
From: "Derek Swingley" <fluffmasterflex@hotmail.com>
Subject: FS: Denecke AD-20/Zefiro Inbox and Denecke PS-2
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:17:47 -0500
I have the following items for sale:
1. Denecke AD-20 stereo mic preamp a/d converter.
2. Denecke PS-2 two channel mic power supply.
Both were bought from Masterpiece AV. The AD-20 was bought as an "open box"
unit but is in impeccable condition, used < 10 times by me. The PS-2 was
purchased new, also used < 10 times. I would like to see both items go to
one person but will split up if necessary. If someone takes both, I'll
throw in 2 recharable 9v batteries and a charger that I used to power these
items. Make me an offer.
-Derek
From: Mark Mayhle <mark@mayhle.com>
Subject: Re: Zefiro ZA-2 & Win XP or 2000
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:13:30 -0600 (CST)
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Michael B. Green wrote:
> So, I scratch the XP and install 2000 Pro next... Although I haven't
> done a thorough job at hacking away to try all the workarounds I can
> think of, it's not looking very promising...
>
> I thought I would try again and this time, extend the question to Win
> 2000 Pro... If it's a suggestion, please e-mail me privately. If it's a
> definite fix or guaranteed workable solution, please post it here for
> anyone else who might need to know...
I'm the one who asked about XP. There is information on www.zefiro.com on
how to set up the card in Win2000. It works fine for me in Win2KPro. The
same method may work in WinXP but I don't know of anyone who's tried it
and so far I haven't installed XP on the machine with the ZA2.
--
Mark Mayhle
mark@mayhle.com
From: "Zach" <zach@funkytulip.com>
Subject: Mic Threads
Reply-To: <zach@funkytulip.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:17:07 -0700
Anyone know where to get a tap & die set for the popular 5/8 27
mic threads?
doing a search on the archives produces hundreds of
responses....too bad tap is so similar to 'taping' ;-)
Peace,
Zach
From: 31st330i@roadfly.com
Subject: what's the story about some sound cards resampling digital I/O?
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:30:12 -0500
I picked this detail up in the archives and in thread that I started inquiring
about sound cards.
anyway, I tried to explain this to a coworker who is an amature musician and
owns the new SB Audigy Platinum card. I didn't understand the issue well
enough to explain this to him. can someone explain why this is an issue (or
point me to an existing post or page). is there data loss when resampling
occirs even if it's 44.1 to 44.1? thanks,
paul
p.s. please copy my email address in any responses. :)
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From: "Fitz, Jason" <Fitz@sewkis.com>
Subject: SBM-1 vs. Mini-Me vs. AD2K+
Reply-To: "Jf1 \(E-mail\)" <jfitz@acedsl.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:33:19 -0500
I have a chance to get a SBM-1, but I am wondering if I should wait and get
a Mini-Me or an AD2K+ - I am looking for your experienced and helpful
opinions. Here's the situation:
I am mainly recording to my PCM-M1, and, at some point, I would like to have
a portable rig to record to the M1 as well as directly to my computer based
DAW (MOTU 896 or 1296 with Digital Performer).
1. Is the SBM-1 a noticeable improvement for the PCM-M1 (I am very happy
with the sound of the PCM-M1 so far)?
2. Can you record into Digital Performer with Mini-Me using the USB I/O?
Can you do this with the AD2K+? (I have an AES/EBU digital I/O interface)?
3. How does each unit sound (I know Mini-Me hasn't shipped, yet) - how does
the AD2K+ sounds? How do you think the Mini-Me unit will sound?
If I mostly want to do simple recordings on the PCM-M1, should I just stick
with what I have and not worry about these external A/D units?
Thank you for your advice.
Take care,
-J.
Jason S. Fitz
Please reply to: jfitz@acedsl.com
From: Chris Bozzelli <c_bozzelli@yahoo.com>
Subject: FS: Tascam DA20 MKII / extra dats up for grabs
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:16:05 -0800 (PST)
Hey folks,
Time to have one less Dat Deck around - haven't done
any trading in months...seem to be taping less and
less anyway. Has ~200 hours on the heads, cleaned,
aligned, etc. by Paul Plotnick at pro digital in 5/01,
used very little since then (~15 hours) I'd like to
get $375 for it, reasonable offers considered.
I also some SCI (and other) dats that haven't been
listened to in a while for B&P...email me for a list
if interested.
Have a doggone darn good day,
~Chris
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From: Tom McCreadie <mccreadi@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: distance recording with at853
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 01:16:19 +0100
William Draper in #214:
>>...i am going to need a way to tape with my at853 from a reasonable distance
(75-100 ft.) to get some good shows from lincoln theatre in raleigh, nc
(gran torino, athenaeum, some others). i was thinking using the hypercard
caps in an "nos" configuration. is there a better configuration for distance
recording? or is it just a lost cause?...<<<
A distance-miking configuration worth looking into is parallel
forward-facing hypercardioids, spaced at ca. 200mm, combined - and this is
the key element - with "Blumlein Shuffling" (sum and difference matrixing
of L&R > S-bass boost > recombination to L&R).
Michael Gerzon gives a rigorous analysis of the improvements that such
shuffling brings to this same array when fitted with shotgun capsules -
increased directivity, wider stage width, improved rear- and side audience
suppression etc.
"Applications of Blumlein Shuffling to Stereo Microphone Techniques",
M.A. Gerzon, J. Audio Eng. Soc, vol 42(8), 1994, pp. 435-453.
Those directivity gains should also be achievable in the cardioid and
hypercardioid series of the AT853. Nowadays it's easy to do shuffling
trials in wave editor software, but matrixing circuits, active or passive,
are also cheap and simple to cobble up. Anyway its worth a try. I have
never tried the technique myself (also don't have AT853's), as I have never
had the occasion to need to "zoom", but I regularly tinker with shuffling
on other types of recordings.
Tom
Incidentally, I highly recommend the above Gerzon article. IMHO it brims
with substance...definitely one for my 'Desert Island list'.
From: "Ryan Haskell" <ryan_haskell@hotmail.com>
Subject: Can you name these Leo Kottke tunes?
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:20:02 -0500
Hey gang,
I need some help identifying a few Leo Kottke songs. I've posted 5
short .mp3 clips on the web, and would appreciate any help if some Kottke
fans out there would like to take a listen and see if they recognize the
tunes. Please e-mail me off the list at ryan_haskell@hotmail.com if you can
figure out the names. Here are the URLs:
http://www.midcoast.com/~tvman/mp3s/song12.mp3
http://www.midcoast.com/~tvman/mp3s/song14.mp3
http://www.midcoast.com/~tvman/mp3s/song29.mp3
http://www.midcoast.com/~tvman/mp3s/song110.mp3
http://www.midcoast.com/~tvman/mp3s/song111.mp3
Thanks everyone!
Ryan
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