DAT-heads Digest #225
Contents:
Buddy Guy 2-16-02 ("Shawn Chesley")
too old to whoa ("lee bittner")
seeking A/D converter with Firewire out advice (ABershaw@aol.com)
Re: Mics shaped like human head (Sean Kennedy)
RE: Femi Kuti taping policy (Sean Cartwright)
Re:Anyone want a barebones system? (Bill Stewart)
OT: Mini Disc question (Scott Hansen)
EAC running on XP ("Steve Sanford")
Re: EAC running on XP (Mark Mayhle)
FA:Tascam cdr-w5000 ("Trey Woodruff")
FS Neumann AK 130 capsules (richmays)
new (free) sound recording and real-time analysis software ("Paul")
ISO: Tapers for Upcoming Zwan dates ("Jason Roth")
Re: Mic shaped like human head #224 (GuySonic@aol.com)
re: Mic shaped like human head (Tom Semans)
USB audio limitations ? ("Onno J.R. Bakker")
Puddle Of Mudd @ Munich, Metropolis 02-21-02 (BlackCrowes@gmx.net)
From: "Shawn Chesley" <chesleys@attbi.com>
Subject: Buddy Guy 2-16-02
Reply-To: "Shawn Chesley" <chesleys@attbi.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:39:33 -0700
I have Buddy Guy 2-16-02 From the Mother Lode Theater In Butte, MT for
trade. I would really like to trade it to someone who can clean it up a
little digitally. Please Drop me a note!
Shawn
From: "lee bittner" <southsur@hotmail.com>
Subject: too old to whoa
Reply-To: southsur@hotmail.com
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:40:18 -0800
I recently chaperoned some junior high school girls to a Nelly Furtado
concert (sometimes a parent's gotta do these things.) The venue was pretty
overly-loud, but the tape brought the vocals down to the intelligible range.
M-1, Sonic dsm6s-L>Delta audiophile 2496. Looking to trade for things taped
in the last few months.
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From: ABershaw@aol.com
Subject: seeking A/D converter with Firewire out advice
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:43:52 EST
Hi all,
I'm curious if anyone knows who might manufacture a reasonably priced
analog/digital converter that has analog ins for both video and 2 audio
channels and Firewire out. Does such a unit exist yet in the consumer realm?
I know how to do this using a digital video camera as the converter, but
would like to know the currently available alternatives. Any advice or
suggestions appreciated. Alan
From: Sean Kennedy <liam@xo.com>
Subject: Re: Mics shaped like human head
Reply-To: Sean Kennedy <liam@fedney.tech.xo.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:55:21 -0500
For what its worth, another baffle-omni miking technique (I believe
intended for
speaker, not binaural reproduction) that people sometimes call a head.
Crown
had a solution called the SASS-B/P the former designed to support two B+K
4006s,
the latter including their PZM microphones. Its not shaped like a head,
but is sized
similarly and shares the omni+baffle in common; there was someone who did
use it to
record the Grateful Dead a few times, most likely in the early 90s. (I
suspect Crown
introduced the product around 1988, but a pro audio person might know
better.)
In any case its not a trend from the 70s, but the Crown and SS/CSBs
attached to nerf
footballs have been used more commonly by "location tapers" of the type on
this list.
I believe SS offers a baffle. Len and Len, when did the nerf football
thing start? Do
you know who started it and when were baffles made available? Because
of the difference in price the Crown might also be more common for ENG use
than a
KU-100, but Klay or someone would have to comment. The -P used to be
internally
powered and was quite noisy, but its been updated a few times. Schoeps and
Neumann
also have sphere diffuser/baffle solutions which I think are less common.
Are there baffle-omni tapers out there? Dummy-head or SASS? I think
Jecklin Disk and
eyeglass/ear mics are common enough that other techniques would be more
interesting.
Sean
From: Sean Cartwright <cart1@eznet.net>
Subject: RE: Femi Kuti taping policy
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:16:02 -0500
Hey People,
I don't know if anyone ever responded but I checked with Femi's tour
manager and there is definitely no taping allowed. Femi's tour manager
(a good friend of mine and comes from a taper friendly background) has
had to go out into the audience and do what we all dread the most,
confiscate tapes. Obviously, this does not happen at taper friendly
festivals (although Femi still doesn't like it, or maybe more precisly,
the record company he's contracted with doesn't like it), but if you're
thinking of seeing Femi on his upcoming European tour, stealth or don't
tape.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!
Peace,
Sean
From: Bill Stewart <wks@ncia.net>
Subject: Re:Anyone want a barebones system?
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 06:36:00 -0500
As much I could have wished to give the computer to all 17 parties, it
goes to JonD <jond@ttapes.com>
Thank to all for a great newsgroup.
Bill
From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
Subject: OT: Mini Disc question
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:53:12 -0800
Hey all -
I know this is a DAT mailing list, but it is focused on taping, so I'm
hoping you'll excuse the off topic nature.
Anyway, a friend of mine was at a show with a buddy of his, who has a Mini
Disc recorder. I'll let him explain the rest:
"We were seated, perfect conditions, nobody speaking just beside
the mic...
It recorded. The TOC edit went well.
But...
When trying to read the MD to check the sound, it said : "Disc error". We
tried three different MD players and it's the same on all of them.
Somehow, something got messed up. You know, it's just like having data on a
hard drive but you can't read it because of a defective TOC for example.
But in the case of a MD, how can we access the music?"
Anyone who knows of any solutions or knows of any websites that can provide
ideas, please e-mail me of the list.
Thanx in advance.
Scott
schansen@cts.com
From: "Steve Sanford" <jigsawearth@lycos.com>
Subject: EAC running on XP
Reply-To: jigsawearth@lycos.com
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:36:08 -0500
is there a problem running the recent releases of EAC on XP,, trying to help a friend over the phone and wondering if maybe there is a conflict between XP and the EAC software i don't know about
-the problem is it won't recongnize the tracks, it picks up both drives (CD Rom and CDRW) in the drive options setup but when you put in an audio disc it never displays the tracks, only says NO CD IN DRIVE
I'll offer the Living Daylights show from 2.16.02, sorry disc only, shn or audio,, i'll get back to a few of you
thanks a lot
steve
From: Mark Mayhle <mark@mayhle.com>
Subject: Re: EAC running on XP
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:55:25 -0600 (CST)
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Steve Sanford wrote:
> is there a problem running the recent releases of EAC on XP,, trying
> to help a friend over the phone and wondering if maybe there is a
> conflict between XP and the EAC software i don't know about
> -the problem is it won't recongnize the tracks, it picks up both
> drives (CD Rom and CDRW) in the drive options setup but when you put
> in an audio disc it never displays the tracks, only says NO CD IN
> DRIVE
I've been running both 0.9pb11 and 0.9b2 on 2 machines with XP, no
problem.
--
Mark Mayhle
mark@mayhle.com
From: "Trey Woodruff" <twoodruff@jam.rr.com>
Subject: FA:Tascam cdr-w5000
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:02:23 -0600
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From: richmays <richmays@comcast.net>
Subject: FS Neumann AK 130 capsules
Reply-to: richmays@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:05:14 -0500
These are omni capsules for the KM 100 body with a
slight rise in the upper frequency response to
counteract the fact that high frequencies are
attenuated with distance. The perfect solution to
being more than 20 feet from your soundsource, and
although the books don't mention this often, you
can use omnis in an ORTF as well as AB setup.
Definitely better low-end response than any
cardioid, and MUCH less susceptible to wind noise.
These have been used almost entirely as main mics
for orchestral recording, and have never been
dropped or popped. Serial numbers are close, but
when I bought them sequential numbering was not an
option, and Neumann maintains that if manufactured
within a 12 month period they consider them to be matched.
Three capsules available-- 2 for $875, all three
for $1200. Guaranteed to perform as new. Comes
with wind screens and wooden case that a holds a
pair. S&H extra.
From: "Paul" <prennix@fortnet.org>
Subject: new (free) sound recording and real-time analysis software
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:52:12 -0700
well I would make one suggestion, if you are going to disable the software,
make it a *time* disabled product, not a functionality limitation. When
working with large audio files, well... one has to be able to work with
files MUCH larger than 128mb - so, off it goes to the recycle bin without me
ever knowing if it would have been a worthwhile investment.
From: "Jason Roth" <jroth793@attbi.com>
Subject: ISO: Tapers for Upcoming Zwan dates
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:43:01 -0800
Zwan...Billy Corgans new band has just anouced 3 new dates. The 12th,
13th and 14th of April at the Double Doors in Chicago. Tickets will go
onsale through ticketmaster this Saturday at 1pm Centeral Time. Please
note...the Double Doors is a 21+ venue, so either be 21...or have a nice
fake.
Also, it's my understanding that you can only buy tickets for one show
only. So go for what ever is best for you. I will be trying for 4 tickets
for one day. I doubt I will go out again, but I will try to get tickets for
tapers.
Zwan is a pro taping band. They have played 8 shows so far...all of
which were taped with no hassles. No video is allowed, and I doubt stands
will be allowed at such a small venue.
Anyone who tapes any of these shows...I will B+P the first 8 Zwan shows
for you, if you don't already have em. Also, I will cover ticket cost if
needed. Please e-mail me if you plan on taping the shows with your rig and
what date or dates you will cover. Thanks again everyone,
-Jason Roth
From: GuySonic@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mic shaped like human head #224
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:32:57 EST
In a message dated 2/21/02 2:04:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,
DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net writes:
<< ------------------------------
From: Eric Angel <ejangel@ucdavis.edu>
Subject: RE: Mic shaped like human head
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:41:37 -0800
>Does anyone know the name/model# of this microphone?
>
>"The B-52's show was recorded with a very odd microphone that was supposed
to
>be shaped like a human head! I am not sure what this mic was called but it
>seems that it was all the rage in high end taping circles in the '70's."
That must have been a binaural recording setup: a dummy head with two
small omnidirectional microphones mounted where the eardrums would be on
a human. A recent AES (Audio Engineering Society) Journal paper describes
the many new dummy heads that have been developed recently. I have
paraphrased
some of that article, and added some of my own comments below. The article
is:
Minnaar P., Olesen S.K., Christensen F., Moller H., "Localization with
Binaural Recordings from Artificial and Human Heads",
Journal of the AES, Vol 49 (5), May 2001
http://www.aes.org
1) KEMAR - Knowles Electronics Manikin for Acoustic Research
good ole KEMAR has been around the longest. KEMAR has a
head, and torso. You can put small or large ears (pinnae)
on him.
Both were based on real human ear shapes. KEMAR is the
most
widely used dummy head in scientific research. I believe
you
supply your own mics for him. We use KEMAR extensively in my
research lab.
2) Neumann KU100/ KU80 / KU81
This is just a head, and is used more frequently
in the recording
industry. For example, you could place the head in front
of an
orchestra. When the recording is played back over
headphones,
you would hear exactly what a conductor hears. This head
has
built in microphones.
http://www.neumannusa.com/pages/products/micProduct.asp?microphone=KU100
3) Bruel & Kjaer A/S 4100 / 4128 / 5930
This head includes a torso, and built in
microphones.
http://www.bksv.com (search for 4100)
4) Head Acoustics GmbH - HMS III
This has built in microphones, and 24-bit AD converters!
It has a head and shoulders. I am not too familiar with
this, but it
looks like it is intended to be a state-of-the art
research head, and
not for general recording.
http://www.head-acoustics.de/2s-und-v/hms/P-h30-e.htm
5) Cortex Electronic GmbH - MK1
It has built in mics, amps, A/D's, and is designed for
playback
over Sennheiser HE 60 electrostatic headphones.I couldn't
find
any info about this online.
6) Aachen University - ITA & Aalborg University - VALDEMAR
These heads were developed at Univ's in Germany and Denmark,
and, to the best of my knowledge, are not
commercially available.
7) Your head! Stick some mics in your ears and stand still. Cost: free.
Eric Angel
>>
There's also another, more recent (patented in 1989) dummy head microphone
system being used by musicians, composers, tapers, and acoustic researchers
at Bose, Briggs & Stratton, and a few other acoustic laboratory HRTF research
facilities since the early 90s.
This dummy head mic system is currently offered in two basic versions.
1) Personally Headwear any DSM model microphone (low costing stealth mic
mode) as suggested on page: <A HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com/dsm.htm">
http://www.sonicstudios.com/dsm.htm</A> and also mentioned on the recording
tips page at: <A HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com/tips.htm">
http://www.sonicstudios.com/tips.htm</A>
2) Use any DSM microphone with the LiteGUY (or full size GUY) HRTF baffle as
shown on page: <A HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com/liteguy.htm">
http://www.sonicstudios.com/liteguy.htm</A> for stand-alone type mic
applications.
For those interested in 3-D surround sound recording look to the references
shown and this page for more discussion : <A
HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com/multitrk.htm">
http://www.sonicstudios.com/multitrk.htm</A>
The dimensional stereo mic patent can be viewed at: <A
HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com/patent.htm">
http://www.sonicstudios.com/patent.htm</A>
This microphone is currently quite active in recording live Music/Ambient
sounds for CD releases, Film/Video production, and Sound Effects libraries.
For some reason, little mention is found in references like those in previous
posts, so look to my site for best references about this type of 'human-head'
mic.
Over a Gigabyte of downloadable Sounds/Music files recorded by Headworn and
LiteGUY baffled versions are available for free at: <A
HREF="http://www.sonicstudios.com/mp3.htm">http://www.sonicstudios.com/mp3.htm
</A>
There is no better way to record exactly the experience of any live event in
full speaker/headphone compatible surround-sound. Much better quality sound,
and much lower costing than those referred to in the recent posts.
Give this a very fun listen, a fast connection helps download the
larger100+MEG files.
Best Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard (& Debbie) Lombardo, Owners
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From: Tom Semans <tsemans@adelphia.net>
Subject: re: Mic shaped like human head
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:14:41 -0500
Back in the '70's & 80's, I worked at the Scottsdale Center for the Arts
in AZ, and we had a Fritz. We also had a problematic alarm system for
arming the building. One night the alarm went off, and a technician
received a call to enter the building w/ the police. Apparently that
evening our soundman forgot to put Fritz away, from his post halfway up
in the auditorium on a perch adjacent to the mazzanine aisle.As they
were standing at the top of the auditorium w/ the lights out, one of the
cops saw Fritz, pulled his gun and yelled FREEZE Mother****er!
Fortunately he was told what the head was before he added a few more
holes to it.
Tom
aka
Musicarcade
"Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils."
Hector Berlioz (1803-1869)
>
>From: acffh <morst@itis.com>
>Subject: re: Mic shaped like human head
>Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:17:45 -0600
>
>Yer talking about the Neumann KU100, aka "Fritz". High-quality
>binaural stereo recording in a human-head-shaped object!
>here is the link on neumann's website.
>http://www.neumannusa.com/pages/products/micProduct.asp?microphone=KU100
>
>with love from Team Neumann!
>
From: "Onno J.R. Bakker" <onnosr@bakker.info>
Subject: USB audio limitations ?
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:48:35 +0100
Ihmo usb 1 (not 2) audio io is limited to max 48 khz 16 bit.
Is my opinion true ? Who can give the exact details ??
Onno
From: BlackCrowes@gmx.net
Subject: Puddle Of Mudd @ Munich, Metropolis 02-21-02
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:20:36 +0100 (MET)
Hi all,
got away with a blasting killer tape from last nights show...Amazing new
band, check them out on their upcoming US tour (http://www.puddleofmudd.com/)...
02-21-02 Puddle of Mudd @ Metropolis, Munich/Germany 70min OKMII
pro>SBM-1>M1 A/A+
Also up for trade currently my other two 2002 masters..
01-19-02 P.O.D. @ Babylon, Munich/Germany 70min OKMII pro>SBM-1>M1 A
01-24-02 Train @ Metropolis, Munich/Germany 70min OKMII pro>SBM-1>M1 A/A+
with 5 songs aired on local radio
Best from Munich, Germany
Karsten
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