DAT-heads Digest #230
Contents:
For you: BRMC la boule noire,Paris & The strokes Birmingham, England FM BRODCAST ("Chris.VOYNET")
FT: Pat Travers Band 2/16/02 ("Tom Baylor")
ISO: David Bryne (Matthew Thayer)
Re: DAT-heads Digest #229 D8 High/ Low Mic sensitivity question (acffh)
RE: D8 High/ Low Mic sensitivity question (acffh)
FS: DA-20 mkII (Donald Forsha)
Newly Uncovered GD Reels?...Possibly...May Need Assistance! (Keith Forman)
USB Digital I/O Cards (SAlpert5@aol.com)
new refurbished d8 for auction (george wang)
FS: ZA-2 digi soundcard ("Erik Spring")
Attn Sony D-10 owners (brand new accesories fs) (ZepMan@aol.com)
For Sale: Neumann SKM184s, xstream audiomagic cables, and t-bar (george wang)
FS: Sonic Studios DSM6S/EL + PA-6LC3B ("Drew Hintze")
Ratdog 3/1 Royal Oak, MI (looking for a patch) (Robert Kane)
ISO Van Morrison ("mark wilkins")
ISO: More dates for Zwan anouced ("Jason Roth")
FS: Core Sounds Binaurals ("Will Herrmann")
how do I find out sampling rates with an M1? ("Matt Spolansky")
FELA (Bob Siegl)
Re: how do I find out sampling rates with an M1? ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.")
From: "Chris.VOYNET" <cvoynet@nerim.fr>
Subject: For you: BRMC la boule noire,Paris & The strokes Birmingham, England FM BRODCAST
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:17:42 +0100
Hi,
I have recorded from FM these concerts:
First:
BRMC,21.02.2002
la boule noire Paris,FRANCE 50'
Second:
THE STROKES, 24/02/2002
Birmingham, England The Academy 40'
Let me know if you're interested in a cdr copy.
I'm only interested in this kind of bands
URGENT!!!!!
I'M LOOKING FOR A DAT SONY PCM1 second hand :)
Chris
From: "Tom Baylor" <tbaylor@IowaTelecom.net>
Subject: FT: Pat Travers Band 2/16/02
Reply-To: "Tom Baylor" <tbaylor@IowaTelecom.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:49:10 -0600
Hi All-
I'm looking to trade PTB, 2/16/02 for PTB, Eric Johnson or Frank Marino.
Oade Bros. micro-mic > TCD-D100 > cdr. If interested, please contact me off
list.
Thanks!
T
From: Matthew Thayer <mattt317@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO: David Bryne
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:44:35 -0800 (PST)
Hello All,
Mostly looking for 2001 or current tour, especially
the San Francisco Fillmore show a few weeks ago.
Lots to trade, email for my list if interested.
Cheers,
Matt
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From: acffh <morst@itis.com>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #229 D8 High/ Low Mic sensitivity question
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:21:27 -0600
It makes perfect sense. Your mics were more sensitive (to sound
pressure), so you didn't need as much "knob" (gain). That's a good
way to run for relatively quiet shows. As for the second set not
being as crisp as the first- when was the last time you changed the
batteries in your mics? I don't know how fast the Naks eat 'em. . .
low voltage could cause noise to creep up compared to signal level.
Did you have to run the second set at a higher knob setting on the
deck? Slight differences could cause noticeable noise. Another
possibility is that the first set actually sounded better.
-tom
Subject: D8 High/ Low Mic sensitivity question
I've always been told to set the Mic sensitivity to low, but the other
night I taped the first set of YMSB with it on high. I thought it seemed
weird that the recording level was only at "3" or "4" instead of "7" or "8".
Does that make sense? It also seems that the first set sounds just a bit
crisper than the second. Anyone have input or suggestions? I was using NAk
Cm300 (cp1)>D8. Thanks again, Chris
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From: acffh <morst@tds.net>
Subject: RE: D8 High/ Low Mic sensitivity question
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:28:31 -0600
It makes perfect sense. Your mics were more sensitive (to sound
pressure), so you didn't need as much "knob" (gain). That's a good
way to run for relatively quiet shows. As for the second set not
being as crisp as the first- when was the last time you changed the
batteries in your mics? I don't know how fast the Naks eat 'em. . .
low voltage could cause noise to creep up compared to signal level.
Did you have to run the second set at a higher knob setting on the
deck? Slight differences could cause noticeable noise. Another
possibility is that the first set actually sounded better.
-tom
> I've always been told to set the Mic sensitivity to low, but the
>other night I taped the first set of YMSB with it on high. I
>thought it seemed weird that the recording level was only at "3" or
>"4" instead of "7" or "8". Does that make sense? It also seems that
>the first set sounds just a bit crisper than the second. Anyone
>have input or suggestions? I was using NAk Cm300 (cp1)>D8.
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From: Donald Forsha <dat_head2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: FS: DA-20 mkII
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:57:30 -0800 (PST)
Purchased new from Sonic Sense a few years ago. Comes
with all original paperwork and packaging. It's in
great shape and I've never had any problems with it
whatsoever. $450 neg.
peace,
Don
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From: Keith Forman <kfor5311@postoffice.uri.edu>
Subject: Newly Uncovered GD Reels?...Possibly...May Need Assistance!
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:18:30 -0500
Hey Ya'll,
So, here is the story. A friend of mine works in a head shop in
the middle of nowhere in Rhode Island - Charlestown, RI to be exact. A
couple of weeks ago he called me to tell me that his boss had about 10 reel
to reels (8 hrs. of each) of Grateful Dead recordings taped at the Fillmore
East from 1967-1970. Being well read on my compendiums and deadbases, I
quickly thought to myself, "There sure are a bunch of Fillmore East dates
that have never been circulated, especially during 67 and 68." So I began
spouting questions at my buddy. Here is what I got:
Supposedly, this guy who owns the reels was given them in a shroud
of secrecy. Some of his buddies (3 or 4) had worked at the Fillmore East
and recorded the shows. They all swore never to give them to anyone. One
of these people who worked at the Fillmore lived with the guy who now owns
the reel to reels. Supposedly, this individual got into some shit with the
law or something and bailed, leaving behind these reels. Is it
un-circulated material? As of now, I do not know!
Now, I am certainly aware of many stories surrounding the 2/13 and
2/14/70 tapes in which a couple of brothers, who were ushers at the
Fillmore, taped those shows. But, I have a solid inclination that these
are completely different shows, with entirely different lineage. In the
next week or two I will be going to this persons house to do some
investigation.
Here is where you guys come in. If these are un-circulated shows
they MUST be transferred to DAT. And unfortunately, I do not think my
trusty D-8 is right for the job. So, if they are what I think they are, I
am requesting the assistance (and equipment) of a/some kind soul(s) on this
list. Preferably someone who has done Reel to Reel transfers in the past.
If this is you, and you think you would be interested in helping, please
e-mail me.
I will keep updated the list and anyone who contacts me on this
somewhat intriguing story. Don't get your hopes up, this could all be
highly circulated material. Nonetheless, I am feeling reel-ly good about
the possibility of finding a long-lost hidden gem in there.
Peace,
Keith in Rhode Island
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From: SAlpert5@aol.com
Subject: USB Digital I/O Cards
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:49:15 EST
I am in the market for a digital I/O card for my laptop, which has both USB and Firewire. I had posted a few months ago, with detailed information as to why Edirol themselves admit that the UA-3 is not necessarily "bit-for-bit accurate" (making that card "not" what I am looking for!).
They blamed the problem on Microsoft's USB (1) drivers, which are allegedly not intended for audio. They at the time suggested the (more expensive) UA-5, which uses "ASIO" USB Drivers, which are bit-for-bit accurate. I have not purchased anything yet, but I was hoping a fellow DAT-head could e-mail me OFF THE LIST with suggestions as to whether the UA-5 might be a good unit.
Alternately, I see that Creative Labs(Soundblaster) has released their first EXTERNAL soundcard, called the EXTIGY. I wrote to them, hoping to learn what drivers the Extigy uses. Interstingly, though their product uses Microsoft's drivers, they say their product is bit for bit accurate. Does anyone have any experience with this product? Here is the reply I received from Creative Labs:
Response from Creative: 2/25/2002 4:42:00 PM
ASIO drivers have to do with latency. ASIO drivers have a lower latency than VXD or WDM. So VXD or WDM will have a higher latency then ASIO drivers but shouldn't loose any information just get it there less quickly and due to USB only get it there at 1.5mb per second.
A USB device, not using ASIO drivers, will have a higher latency but bit for bit should still be as accurate as a device using ASIO drivers.
Jody
Creative Labs Technical Support
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So they say that there is no problem. So back to my initial post a few months ago on this topic, and I ask, why is the Edirol UA-3 (and presumably the newer UA-1a and UA-1d units) not bit for bit accurate, if the same driver is used on this product, and it claims to be accurate? Thanks in advance for any replies. Please reply off the list, since I don't get to read every issue.
From: george wang <gewwang@yahoo.com>
Subject: new refurbished d8 for auction
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:31:37 -0800 (PST)
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334641414
bwt - 1 audio or shn b+p of mule athens 2/14/01
km140>sx-m2>ad2k fob
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From: "Erik Spring" <espring@calpoly.edu>
Subject: FS: ZA-2 digi soundcard
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:44:42 -0800
This Zefiro ZA-2 sound card is top of the line, as I'm sure most of you
know. It sells for $420 new, I'm willing to part with it for $200. It's in
perfect condition and I have all the original box and packaging. I'm selling
it because I don't have a need for it anymore. I used it to transfer DATs to
CD and now I'm finished doing all the tapes I wanted to transfer.
E-mail me if you're interested.
Erik
From: ZepMan@aol.com
Subject: Attn Sony D-10 owners (brand new accesories fs)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 03:32:06 EST
Hi,
I just came across an original D-10 box with Japanese writing and a handle to
carry.
The box has everything except the deck:
ECM-959 DT mic & mic holder
Windscreen
NP-22H Battery
Sony BC-D10
Battery Charger Adapter
Shoulder strap
Leather like original case
Japanese instructions
Faxed copy (circa 1990) English Instructions
All of this has never been used and has the original yellow Sony tape closing
the plastic
Let me know if anyone is interested in this
thanks
Marc
From: george wang <gewwang@yahoo.com>
Subject: For Sale: Neumann SKM184s, xstream audiomagic cables, and t-bar
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 06:20:41 -0800 (PST)
Posting for a friend, please email datroy@davidson.edu
if interested and not me.
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OK. I want to see what I could get for this stuff.
It can go
separately or together.
Neumann skm-184 stereo kit - purchased from the
original owner in
July
2001. 2 black neumann km184 mics, 2 neumann
windscreens, 2 neumann
microphone mounts and the cable mounts. All neumann
manuals and
documentation included. These mics have been
extremely cared for,
always run with windscreens. Everything is in perfect
condition and
has
never given me any problems. Comes with the original
Neumann jewelers
box.
1 pair of purple Audiomagic XStream 15' XLR cables.
Also purchased
from
the original owner in late July 2001. They also have
always worked
perfectly.
1 AKG T-Bar purchased new in August 2001
I'm trying to see what I can get for these so make me
an offer.
Thanks
-Dan
datroy@davidson.edu
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From: "Drew Hintze" <Bustafluff@hotmail.com>
Subject: FS: Sonic Studios DSM6S/EL + PA-6LC3B
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:06:15 -0600
All right, the time has come for me to sell off my mics as my hospital bills
seem to be growing for my broken nose. SSIA, I've used them twice back in
2000 to tape 311 in Omaha and Kottonmouth Kings in Des moines. Since then
they've just been sitting in the case ready to be used again. They're still
in perfect condition, I can send you sample clips if you'd like to hear how
they sound. Email me at bustafluff@hotmail.com if you're interested.
--Drew
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From: Robert Kane <roekbarnet@mailhost.det.ameritech.net>
Subject: Ratdog 3/1 Royal Oak, MI (looking for a patch)
Reply-To: roekbarnet@ameritech.net
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:59:40 -0500
I'm looking to set-up a patch ahead of time for this show, my first
Ratdog show. It is a GA show, so does anyone know where the TS will be??
(I've be to the Theatre before to tape Cowboy Junkies, and they just let
us tape back by the SBD). I was going to run my CS HEBs(DPA 4061) FOB,
but they are in for repairs.
I would especially like to patch from someone using DPA 402x mics and an
AD1K (but I open to just about anything), since I am looking upgrade my
rig with these items (I will patch with a DA-P1). I have a V2 that I
can throw into the mix if necessary, and of course a few beers. Please
email me if we can set something up. TIA.
~Robert
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From: "mark wilkins" <wilkinsmd@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO Van Morrison
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:07:29 -0500
I'm trying to track down a couple specific Van Morrison recordings.
February 15, 1973, The Lion's Share, San Anselmo, California
Looking for both early and late shows. FM broadcast.
November 1, 1978, The Bottom Line, New York, NY
King Biscuit Flour Hour show originally broadcasted on this date.
Either DAT or CDR would be great.
Have plenty to offer in trade.
Thanks
Mark
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From: "Jason Roth" <jroth793@attbi.com>
Subject: ISO: More dates for Zwan anouced
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:29:08 -0800
Sorry for the short notice...but these just showed up today. Anyways..taken
from www.zwanmusic.com
April 7,8, and 10
The Galaxy - St. Louis, MO
All tickets are 20 dollars
All 3 shows on ticketmaster Wednesday 27th 10am cst.
These shows are all ages. Doors at 7...doors at 8...Zwan at 9.
Again...Zwan is Billy Corgans new band, which also features Jimmy (drumer
from SP) Matt Sweeney and David Pajo (Papa M). Also the band allows
taping...woo hoo!
Again I will pick up ticket cost if needed...and if you get tickets. The
ones for the Double Doors went very fast...and this show seems pretty small
too...so hopefully we can get tickets. I think we got tapers for all the
shows in Chicago...but not anyone with a really nice rig. if anyone can make
these shows and gets tickets...please e-mail me with your rig and what date
you have tickets for. Thanks again everyone
-Jason Roth
From: "Will Herrmann" <willherrmann@attbi.com>
Subject: FS: Core Sounds Binaurals
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:30:00 -0500
Hi Folks,
Seeing as I haven't gotten as much use from these as I had hoped, and I
could use the cash, I am putting my Core Sounds Binaural mics up for sale.
These mics are in excellent shape, as I have used them very sparingly and
always keep them in a dust-free case when not in use. They include the
external battery box (without the bass roll-off feature), mini-wind screens,
all cables, and I'll also throw in the plastic case which I store them in.
I have made some very impressive recordings with these mics running line-in
to my Sony M1, and for the size, they can't be beat for stealth
applications. I have gone to several shows expecting to patch into the
board or other mics, only to discover that I was the only taper in
attendance. Such shows would have never been recorded at all had I not
brought the CSB's as a back-up. These are also a great way for anyone
considering getting into taping to "test the waters". Because they come
with external power, they are compatible with any DAT/MD recorder with a
mini line-in.
New, theses mics would cost $230 (www.core-sound.com). I would like to get
$125 for them, plus the cost of shipping. If you're interested, e-mail me
and we can work out a payment option that works best.
Thanks in advance
Will Herrmann
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Rosetta->DA-P1
From: "Matt Spolansky" <spolansky.1@osu.edu>
Subject: how do I find out sampling rates with an M1?
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:46:13 -0500
Hey, I have an M1 and am wondering if there is any way to find out the
sampling rate of a tape when I put in in. Is there some "code" that I punch
in with various buttons that will tell me. I do not believe it's listed in
the instruction manual, but I know some other manufacturers have ways to
figure out these things with their DAT machines. Thanks in advance
matt
From: Bob Siegl <bobsiegl@yahoo.com>
Subject: FELA
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:50:33 -0800 (PST)
Ladies and Gentlemen,
This may be the wrong place to look for something like
this, but I'd like some live recordings of Fela
Ransome~Kuti and the Africa 70
(aka Fela Anikulapo~Kuti). I unfortunately do NOT have
any Fela to trade back with, but have a large
ecclectic collection of mostly high quality
recordings.
I can only hope for good news. Sorry if this is the
wrong place to post this and have a great day!
Bob
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From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Re: how do I find out sampling rates with an M1?
Reply-To: wayne@hoxnet.com
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:53:43 -0600 (CST)
On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Matt Spolansky wrote:
> Hey, I have an M1 and am wondering if there is any way to find out the
> sampling rate of a tape when I put in in. Is there some "code" that I punch
> in with various buttons that will tell me. I do not believe it's listed in
> the instruction manual, but I know some other manufacturers have ways to
> figure out these things with their DAT machines. Thanks in advance
> matt
>
While the tape is playing, press and hold the PLAY button. After about
a second, the display will show you "F44" or "F48" (I've never used 32K
so I don't know what it will say in this case).
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