DAT-heads Digest #247
Contents:
ISO: West Coast Tapers for Johnny A ("Tatina, Bill")
FS: Tascam DAP1 (PWKOMANECKY@aol.com)
Misc items for sale ("mark wilkins")
How to record an orchestra (longish) (Clark Guy)
sexmob does bond (randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU)
The Death of DAT? (Kevin Brown)
A train is leaving for USA... ("alf")
re: taping policy of reverend horton heat ("Ryan Haskell")
Mccartney (Meurglys3@att.net)
ISO:JID,RATDOG Trades DAT>CDr (Wavy Davy D)
FW: What is Bonnaroo? ("Killion, Jeff")
Looking for: (Jim Hirte)
Need tapers! (Jim Hirte)
Looking for Strokes/White Stripes tapers/traders (Vinesh Narayan)
RE: The Death of DAT? ("Paul Chrostowski")
Butterfly Jones tour - looking for tapers ("Steve Marshall")
Re: The Death of DAT? (Seth Breidbart)
all tommorrow's parties at UCLA ("rob landis")
From: "Tatina, Bill" <Bill.Tatina@nordstrom.com>
Subject: ISO: West Coast Tapers for Johnny A
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:50:25 -0700
++ TOUR DATES! ++
See Johnny A. live on tour at the following locations:
March 15 + 16
KELSEYVILLE, CA [Konocti Harbor Resort]
with GEORGE THOROGOOD
March 17
SAN FRANCISCO, CA [Best Buy in-store performance]
MILL VALLEY, CA [Sweetwater]
March 18
SAN FRANCISCO, CA [Great American Music Hall]
March 19
PETALUMA, CA [Mystic Theatre]
March 20
VENTURA, CA [Ventura Theatre]
with GEORGE THOROGOOD
March 21
ANAHEIM, CA [House of Blues]
with GEORGE THOROGOOD
March 22
LAS VEGAS, NV [House of Blues]
with GEORGE THOROGOOD
March 23
LOS ANGELES, CA [House of Blues]
with GEORGE THOROGOOD
March 24
SAN RAFAEL, CA [New George's]
March 25
PALO ALTO, CA [Icon Supperclub]
March 28
PORTLAND, OR [Aladdin Theatre]
April 11
BRYN MAWR, PA [The Point]
April 23
HARRISBURG, PA [The Forum]
with BB KING
++ JOHNNY A. VIDEO DOWNLOAD: AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL"
Visit www.favorednations.com and launch the Johnny A. microsite to see a
Quicktime video of Johnny A. performing "America the Beautiful"! It's
absolutely free, but Johnny hopes you might feel inspired to donate a
couple of dollars to any of the charities affiliated with the 9/11
disasters (links are provided to several of these charities).
From: PWKOMANECKY@aol.com
Subject: FS: Tascam DAP1
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:35:03 EST
Hello – Looking to sell my Tascam Dap1. Purchased in late 1998 and overhauled by Paul Plotnick @ Pro Digital in October of 2000. The deck has only been used three or four times since. I have no idea how many hours are on it but I would say that it’s definitely far, far below 500. I have two internal batteries that work fine but are basically useless and the original ac adaptor has been modified with a three pin mini xlr to accept dc power (typical). The deck is in fantastic condition both cosmetically and mechanically and has been kept in a “wetsuit” even when in use. And has only been used as a record deck. I am selling only because I have too many decks, too little time and not enough bicycles. I would really like to get $850 but will entertain all offers. Please email off list if interested…… Tell your friends.
Paul
From: "mark wilkins" <wilkinsmd@hotmail.com>
Subject: Misc items for sale
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:39:21 -0500
Have a couple miscellaneous recording accessories I don't need any more.
I'll pick up the shipping for US destinations.
Schoeps STC ORTF stereo bar for use with CCM or Colette capsules. Very
lightly used. Paid $110 selling for $85.
AKG universal T-bar. Very adjustable. Can see a picture here:
http://www.digijam.org/mark/images/AKG-Tbar.jpg
Very lightly used. New $19.95 selling for $10.
Pair of -10dB XLR barrel attenuators (pads). Paid $50 for the pair, selling
for $30.
Thanks
Mark
wilkinsmd@hotmail.com
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From: Clark Guy <guy.clark@sbt.siemens.com>
Subject: How to record an orchestra (longish)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:07:39 -0600
HI!
I agree with much of what the others have written on this subject, so let me
reprhase what has been said with a bit of my own experience.
Concert (location) recording of "classical" ensembles (orchestras, concert
bands, brass bands, and small ensembles like brass quintets) is all I do. I
record primarily the groups with whom I play (trumpet). Thus, I play in a
lot of church spaces, and for this reason I am making these suggestions.
I also favor placing a pair of cardioids in a 90 degree (45 degrees on
either side of a line drawn through the mics and the conductor) pattern, 3
to 4 meters above the floor (unless there are ceiling fans or HVAC noise
coming from the ceiling). The stand should be placed fairly close to the
conductor (maybe 3 to 5 meters in back of her/him). This is to avoid the
excessive room ambience (echoes) that would become a problem if the mics are
too far back from the group.
Sometimes, if time is a problem, I will place spaced omnis 2 to 3 meters
away from the edge of the performance area, and spaced 2 to 3 meters on
either side of the conductor. The mics are pushed up as high as my omni
stands go, which is about three meters high. This can be a bit heavy on the
strings, but the extended bass range of my omnis helps to fill out what
might otherwise be a bit top heavy a recording.
The BEST advise given is to go to some rehearsals and practice recording
them!!!! You'll want to set you levels so that you don't either overload
the tape, or waste too much dynamic range by being too low. I have found
that if I set the levels to -12dB during the orchestra's tuning period, I'm
usually good to go. (Ok, if it's a noisy piece, like a Strauss tone poem or
Mahler symphony (like I just played last night) you might want to back off
to -15dB during tuning.
Anyway, my philosopy is to make as good a record of a performance as
possible, as though the mics were placed in the best seat in the house. I
realize that some people prefer to make the recording as the performance,
and do alot of tweaking, and that's fine as long as it sounds good, but my
tendency is to make it as simple as possible (especially since I also need
to concentrate on MAKING the music as well, most of the time!)
I've been pretty fortunate in the twentyfive years or so that I've been
recording my concerts, and RARELY had a bad recording due to mic choice and
placement. (it helps to push the record button before the music starts, it
also helps to have the mic preamp turned on, it's REALLY nice to have good
cables so you don't pick up AC hum!!! ;-) )
Hope this helps!!!!
Guy Clark
From: randy@monkeybiz.Stanford.EDU
Subject: sexmob does bond
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:41:06 -0800 (PST)
i wouldn't worry too much about 'blowing' the recording by having your
equipment flake out...you tried to fix the problem, and it didn't work.
before sending the deck out for a jack replacement, you might check whether
you get dropouts using another cable/pair of mics as input (just to verify
whether its the jack or the cable).
spraying electronics contact cleaner into the jack might help (if the problem
is gunk inside that's keeping the cable pin from properly contacting the sleeve),
but it will be messy; canned air might be a reasonable (and cleaner) alternative
the sexmob+medeski lineup has played out here on the west coast (doing bond)
at least twice.
...what happens once often happens again...
-rand0m
From: Kevin Brown <kevin5brown@yahoo.com>
Subject: The Death of DAT?
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:03:56 -0800 (PST)
I am sad to think that we might be seeing the end of
DAT too.
But I still think there is flexibility and sound
quality with DAT that neither MD or CD-R/RW at least
can match. Hard drives are a new ball game, and might
be the best of all worlds some day.
OK, stupid question time. Aaron mentioned that he'd
would like 24 bit/ 96 kHz with 128x oversampling. So,
does that mean the bit rate would be:
24 bits * 96,000 samples / sec * 128 = 295
mega-bits/sec ? (Not mega-bytes.)
Anyone know the bit rates for things like SCSI, USB,
Firewire? Is this do-able, at a reasonable cost?
Cheers!
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From: "alf" <md2001@mclink.it>
Subject: A train is leaving for USA...
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:07:11 +0100
Hi from Alf, moderator of DAT>CDR group.
We often spread music using this simple and easy way:
The source donate one or two concert, sending for free (no b'n'p , no
trades) to another person.
This will copy for himself, sending the orginals to another, and so on, till
last guy of the list who will keep for himself the disks.
My offer is:
DAVE MATTHEWS BAND
07/07/01 Soldier Field - Chicago, IL A
GREY STREET
WHEN THE WORLD ENDS
WHAT YOU ARE
CRUSH
ANGEL (w/Buddy Guy on guitar)
I DID IT
RECENTLY
THE SPACE BETWEEN
Dave Matthews, voc, g · Boyd Tinsley, violin, voc · Leroy Moore, sax, fl
· Stefan Lessard, b · Carter Beauford, dr, perc
note: Broadcasted from NDR2 (German radio) as "Live in Chicago"
Due fact got Buddy Guy as guest in Angel, I assume is 7/7/2001
(of course the broadcast is partial and not the complete concert)
source: Satellite FM>Fostex D5>Audiophile2496>Soundforge>CdArchitect>Plextor
16/10/40
==========================
Miriam Makeba & Band
Nov. 2000, Leverkusener Jazztagen, Leverkusen, Germany A
Miriam Makeba, vocals
Thierry Vaton, Piano
Nelson Lee, Keyboards
Lawrence Mathsiza, Guitar
Raymond Doumbè, Bass
Hervè Laval, Drums
Innocent Modiba, Mandisa Dlanga & Zamo Mbutho, backing vocals
source: Satellite >Audiophile2496>Soundforge>CdArchitect>Plextor 16/10/40
====================
2 CDR (1st disk is 80m)
MEDESKI MARTIN & WOOD
12/29/2001 Winter Jazz Fest, Teatro Mancinelli, Orvieto, Italy 86m. A-
DAUD (mic unknown - original was bit boomy, this is my remastering copy)
filler:
8/25/2001 Jazz Fest, Saalfelden, Austria 57m. A/A+ Sat-FM (last track
cut due Broadcast . At begin there's a short flaw)
btw- please note that is difficult (at least to me) tracked the MMW setlist,
so probably have wrong ID's
====================================================
Send me an email with subject : EASTER TRAIN
adding your name, address and email
Will close: Tuesday at midnight (NYC time)
I'll notify only to partecipants
Cheers
Alf
From: "Ryan Haskell" <ryan_haskell@hotmail.com>
Subject: re: taping policy of reverend horton heat
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:34:07 -0500
Quite anti-taping to the best of my knowledge. Stealth and be careful!
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From: Meurglys3@att.net
Subject: Mccartney
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:41:02 +0000
Hi Heads:
Looking for 3 tix for either of McCartneys Madison Sq.
Garden shows. If you've got them please get in touch.
Thanks
Tom
From: Wavy Davy D <digitaldimar@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO:JID,RATDOG Trades DAT>CDr
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:52:41 -0800 (PST)
Have a massive list of DEAD,MULE & JID Dats and
have been transfering them all to dvd-r and cd-r!
I want to get rid of the dats and get me more
Ratdog,Mule,Dead & JID that I dont have by
sending off the dats I have transfered at a 1:2
ratio meaning I WANT ONLY 2 CDRS For each dat,now
thats only about 1.50 per dat! I want the cdrs
From dat to cdr! Email me for my list!
B/W Tax:JID 11-15-98 DAUD A+ 2 cdr 80s
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From: "Killion, Jeff" <jkillion@Urban-Engineering.com>
Subject: FW: What is Bonnaroo?
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:18:51 -0500
=====Original Message=====
From: Jeremy Welsh [mailto:Jeremy.Welsh@urbandesignassociates.com]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:51 PM
To: remmyotto@yahoo.com
Subject: What is Bonnaroo?
I guess we will find out in eight days . . .
03/11/02
"The Trey Anastasio Band will close out a festival in southern Tennessee
held June 21 - June 23 at the conclusion of their tour. Other rumored acts
for the huge three day festival include, but are not limited too: String
Cheese Incident, Soulive, moe., Widespread Panic, Phil and Friends, Gov't
Mule and Robert Randolph and the Family Band. Confirmation should be
available in 8 days - see www.bonnaroo.com."
From: Jim Hirte <j_hirte@yahoo.com>
Subject: Looking for:
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:46:17 -0800 (PST)
Any shows by:
Murder City Devils
Dead Low Tide
Fugazi
Jesus Lizard
*Nirvana*
Any shows I do not have or upgrades
Please email me for a current list.
-Jim
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From: Jim Hirte <j_hirte@yahoo.com>
Subject: Need tapers!
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:47:45 -0800 (PST)
For Dead Low Tide (consists mainly of ex-Murder City
Devils members. Email me for current list.
-Jim
Show dates are:
March 2002
11 Tempe, AZ - BOSTON's w/ Pleasure Forever, Jedi 5,
Billion Dollar Bastards
12 El Paso, TX - Club 101 w/ Sparta, Pleasure Forever
13 day off
14 San Antonio, TX - Strutters w/ Cutthroat 9, White
Heat, Pleasure Forever
15 Ausin, TX - Hard Rock Café (SxSW Festival Show) w/
Sparta, Icarus Line, +more
16 Ausin, TX - Emo's Afternoon Party w/ Sparta, Icarus
Line, Airplanes Are Better, Pleasure Forever
17 Denton, TX - Rubber Gloves w/ Alien Crime
Syndicate, Detachment Kit
18 day off
19 Fayetteville, AR - Clunk Music w/ Catheters,
Pleasure Forever
20 Lawrence, KS - Bottleneck w/ Pleasure Forever, Last
of the V8's
21 St Louis, MO - Hi-Pointe w/ Pleasure Forever
22 Indianapolis, IN Emerson Theater w/ Pleasure
Forever, Dent,
23 Milwaukee, WI - The Rave Bar w/ Pleasure Forever
24 Chicago, IL - Fireside Bowl w/ D4, Catheters, Selby
Tigers
25 Des Moines, IA Hairy Mary's w/ Pleasure Forever
26 Minneapolis, MN - The Ascot Room w/ Pleasure
Forever, Conversation For Fear
27 Fargo, ND - Reed Lanes w/ Pleasure Forever, Vaz
28 Souix Falls, SD Knights of Columbus Hall w/
Pleasure Forever
29 day off
30 Colorodo Springs, CO Industrial Nation w/ Sparta,
Thursday, Pleasure Forever
31 Denver, CO - Bluebird Theater w/ Sparta, Thursday,
Pleasure Forever
April 2002
1 Salt Lake City, UT - Bricks w/ Pleasure Forever
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From: Vinesh Narayan <Vinesh@netcom.ca>
Subject: Looking for Strokes/White Stripes tapers/traders
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:53:57 -0800
Looking to trade DAT or CDR shows of The Strokes or White Stripes. I
have a half dozen+ Strokes shows, all from DAT masters or DAT sources
and more coming. I am looking for either groups' shows. I trade
extensively in U2/Led Zep/Page-Plant with masters.
Vinesh
From: "Paul Chrostowski" <pchrosto@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: RE: The Death of DAT?
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:59:55 -0500
I've been thinking of the same thing, but a much cheaper version.
96KHz/24bit A>D on line level inputs only
96KHz/24bit D>A for headphone and line level out
digital I/O on coax and firewire
20-40GB laptop 2.5"HD
menu driven LCD display for creating, deleting and appending sets
Most importantly this can all be done in about the size of a D8 for
stealthing. Since a HD recorder is only meant for short term storage with
final production work and storage done on a PC you could skip some of the
sample rate conversion and bit reduction circuitry in order to keep cost
down. Phantom power and preamp could be added but this would affect battery
life and cost. I'd like something ultra portable, but if you like an
all-in-one solution I can't argue with your choices. =)
Take Care,
Paul
>From: CatalystX <catalystx@attbi.com>
>Subject: The Death of DAT?
>Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:38:59 -0800
>24bit/96khz A/D 128x oversampling analog input via XLR/TRS connectors
>115db+ of dynamic range
>High quality mic preamps with phantom power and selectable attenuator
>Unbalanced/balanced line level input
>Separate L/R level controls with selectable bass roll-off
>Digital input via AES/EBU, coax and optical S/PDIF, Firewire
>Unbalanced/balanced analog output via XLR/TRS connectors
>Headphone output with a 1/4" connection
>Digital output via AES/EDU, coax and optical S/PDIF, Firewire
>Selectable sampling rate and word length digital output
>Upgradable hard drive with large RAM buffers for skip protection
>Rechargable lithium ion battery with at least 6 hours of life
>Built-in, fully adjustable compressor
>LCD interface, with upgradable OS
>Ability to interface with all major operating systems via Firewire
From: "Steve Marshall" <stevem@thenightowl.com>
Subject: Butterfly Jones tour - looking for tapers
Reply-To: "Steve Marshall" <stevem@thenightowl.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:28:38 -0600
Hi Everyone,
I'm looking for tapers in California & Florida to tape Butterfly Jones. The
band consists of 2/3 of dada (one of the coolest bands around), and their
CD, Napalm Springs was one of the best things released last year. Tour dates
are below. If anyone can tape any of these shows, I'd really appreciate it.
Lots to trade, etc...
3/14/02 Hard Rock Cafe Los Angeles, California 10:00 pm
3/22/02 Hard Rock Cafe Newport Beach , California 11:00 pm
3/26/02 Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville Key West, Florida n/a
3/27/02 Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville Key West, Florida n/a
3/28/02 Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville Key West, Florida n/a
3/29/02 Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville Key West, Florida n/a
3/30/02 Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville Key West, Florida n/a
3/31/02 Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville Key West, Florida n/a
Thanks!
Steve
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: The Death of DAT?
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:56:51 -0500 (EST)
> OK, stupid question time. Aaron mentioned that he'd
> would like 24 bit/ 96 kHz with 128x oversampling. So,
> does that mean the bit rate would be:
>
> 24 bits * 96,000 samples / sec * 128 = 295
> mega-bits/sec ? (Not mega-bytes.)
No, the oversampled bits aren't stored; 24 bits/sample * 96,000
samples/channel/second * 2 channels = about 4.6 Mb/sec. (In fact,
oversampling is generally used for D->A, not A->D.)
> Anyone know the bit rates for things like SCSI, USB,
> Firewire? Is this do-able, at a reasonable cost?
The real bit rate works on any except USB 1.
Seth
From: "rob landis" <nocturnalsunshine@hotmail.com>
Subject: all tommorrow's parties at UCLA
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:29:26 -0500
ok
so who else is going to All tommorrow's parties at UCLA next week? if you're
taping, please get in touch with me, so we can maybe try to coordinate our
efforts, etc. my understanding is that you kinda have to pick and choose
what bands you want to see. has anyone seen set-times posted anywhere? i
haven't yet...
on a totally diff note, i was flipping thru the new guitar center catalog.
they have Oktava MK012's for 149 apiece... the listing said "70% off! save
$350 !" dunno if it's true or not, but i thought i'd mention it.
peace
rob
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