DAT-heads Digest #255, Volume #6 Mon, 18 Mar 02 09:50:01 EST Contents: Antibalas ("" ) FS: Digital Soundcard / Prodif Plus ("Phunk1") ISO: Grateful Dead 10/13/68 ("Stanley Willey") Johnny Cash/ Bob Dylan Live? ("Marty Bacardi") Hank Williams III in Midwest heading West ("nuttn") WTB: Schoeps SCTg ORTF bar (SYockus@aol.com) Sony D-7 for sale (Gerhard Cernek) Cracker Taping Policy? ("ja;lfkjd a;lkdjf;lkdas") Re:Thoughts on SHN trading (PAUL HOVORAK) ISO: Bob Dylan 2002 tour ("KUZEN J") KCRW SNAP live performances list? (Bill Wilner) marc sounds query ("Chris Rees") Shnzzz, my $0.02 ("Scott") ISO: The Walkmen, White Stripes, Air (jcarvalh) Extigy cloning question ("Killion, Jeff") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "" Subject: Antibalas Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:13:59 -0500 I was wondering if anyone has any Antibalas they'd like to trade to me, specifically last night's (3/16) show at the Bowery Ballroom in NYC. The show was incredible but since I was sick for most of the week and barely dragged myself to the show, I was unable to tape it. I would really love a copy of this show and any other Antibalas shows out there. Thanks, Greg ------------------------------ From: "Phunk1" Subject: FS: Digital Soundcard / Prodif Plus Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:27:34 -0500 I am selling my two year old Sek'd Prodif Plus. The reason I am selling it is because I am moving to a Mac-based audio setup, and I need the cash to buy a card for that setup. This is a fantastic card, and has helped me do numerous solid dat > HD transfers. Some of you have heard them, if not I have several samples for you to hear. The Oades use this card and other Sek'd products. Tech support at Sek'd is fantastic as well. I wish all of my computer/music purchases had been as smart as this one. You can see the specs on the card here: http://www.sekd.com/product_main/pplus_info.htm The card is 24/96 ready. The analog playback sounds fantastic. The Sek'd store sells the card for $499,(http://store.yahoo.com/sekd-store/prodifpluscard.html) but most sites have it at ~$400. I paid $400 for it two years ago, and it hasn't come down since. I would like to get $325 for it, but its negotiable. For $350, I will throw in a Audio Magic Presto II S/PDIF cable. This cable costs $80 from Sonic Sense. That sounds like a decent deal to me. wob SHN or DAT b&p SKB 2-5-01 thanks for the space, g ------------------------------ From: "Stanley Willey" Subject: ISO: Grateful Dead 10/13/68 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:51:07 -0800 Greetings, I am searching for a good quality recording of 10/13/68 Dead. The show was my very first recording. I prefer a low PCM generation if possible. I have alot to trade. E-mail me for my list. Stan stanley_w1967@msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Marty Bacardi" Subject: Johnny Cash/ Bob Dylan Live? Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:09:43 -0800 i remember some time ago on this list, people were trading a J.Cash/B.Dylan live show of sorts. i would love to get a copy of this performance, not only would i dig listening to it but i know my Father would too. Disc or DAT, it doesnt matter. please drop me a line if you have this show, Thank you. love and light, marty "The harmonicas play the skeleton keys and the rain, And these visions of Johanna are now all that remain." ~Dylan~ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ From: "nuttn" Subject: Hank Williams III in Midwest heading West Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:42:39 -0600 tapers a welcome come one come all any hassles at the door just knock on the bus... dont be shy come see what ya missing if ya havent gone yet to see Hank Williams III 3/15 Bluebird Bloomington, IN 3/16 Bogarts Cincinatti, OH 3/17 3/20 FitzGerald's Berwyn, IL 3/21 Shank Hall Milwaukee, WI 3/22 1st Ave Minneapolis, MN 3/23 Nor Shore Theater Duluth, MN 3/26 Vogue Indianapolis, IN 3/27 Little Brothers Columbus, OH 3/28 Beachland Ballroom Cleavland, OH 3/29 123 Pleasant Street Morgantown, WV 4/14 Ryman Auditorium Nashville, TN 4/25 Crystal Palace, Bakersfield, CA (seated show) 6:30 pm 4/25 Crystal Palace, Bakersfield, CA (general admission show) 9pm 4/26 GalaxyTheatre Santa Ana, CA 4/27 Roxy Theatre West Hollywood, CA 4/28 Ventura Theatre Ventura, CA ------------------------------ From: SYockus@aol.com Subject: WTB: Schoeps SCTg ORTF bar Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:15:12 EST Hey there: SSIA...Just curious if anyone has one collecting dust or no longer uses theirs. My Vark bar/mounts/KC5s are low profile - but looking to go even more lo pro ; ) Peace, Sean WOB tax = Deep Banana Blackout - 3-16-02 - The Culture Room, Ft. Lauderdale Schoeps 4V>KC5>CMC6>SX-M2>AD1000 1 x 90 or 2 x 60 meters ------------------------------ From: Gerhard Cernek Subject: Sony D-7 for sale Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:17:31 -0800 (PST) Hello everybody, just got a DAP1 and don't have use for my portable D7 anymore. Would be nice to get $ 250. Pleas e-mail if intersted - gcernek@yahoo.com Gerhard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "ja;lfkjd a;lkdjf;lkdas" Subject: Cracker Taping Policy? Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:40:31 -0600 Hello All-Thanks for all the info on the Pete Yorn taping policy. A friend of mine is going to Cracker this month, and was wondering what their stance was on taping? I checked the FAQ, and they are not listed. I am guessing that measn they don't allow taping, but has that changed since 99? Thanks for any info. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ From: PAUL HOVORAK Subject: Re:Thoughts on SHN trading Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:53:13 -0800 (PST) I absolutely agree with Kevin, my favorite devices are DAT and PC. Noting hacks me off more than when there are fade-in-fade-out's. The end of a disk should be a bit perfect split to the next disk at a minimum. Trading non-tracked shows would be nifty. There definitely needs to be more documentation on the quality of shows in the text files, when it comes to how they are tracked. Paul Hovorak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "KUZEN J" Subject: ISO: Bob Dylan 2002 tour Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:49:52 -0500 I'm looking for some hot & good sounding Bob Dylan shows off his current 2002 Tour on cdr. I have to trade as of now 3 shows: 1. 2-01-02 Sunrise,FA @ National Car Rental Center 2. 2-08-02 Winston-Salem,NC @ L.J.V.M. 3. 2-10-02 Charlotte,NC @ Cricket Arena Later, KUZEN PS: I will also do a couple B&P's _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Bill Wilner Subject: KCRW SNAP live performances list? Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:13:05 -0700 Does anyone know of a definitive list of live performances on the 1980s KCRW SNAP radio show that they can direct me to or send me a copy of? If there's no such resource in existence, can anyone who has their live tape library cataloged in a searchable database (i.e. FileMakerPro, Excel, etc.) help me by sorting their tape database to give me a list of every KCRW SNAP radio show (and the artist who performed)? Thanks, Bill ------------------------------ From: "Chris Rees" Subject: marc sounds query Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 07:44:58 -0500 hello...i've passed on my ancient set of msounds to a new taper but im having one heck of a time finding the bass rolloff instructions. it had a nice little graph of how much bass was taken out for each dip switch, which is the info my friend needs. does any DAThead still have one they can scan/email to me? big thanks cr --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 2/28/02 ------------------------------ From: "Scott" Subject: Shnzzz, my $0.02 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:22:30 -0500 Hey there, Kevin, et al... Interesting thoughts, and I'd like to add my $0.02. Shn trading remains esoteric. The best way to go, the way of the = future, whatever, but certainly the tiny minority and province of the = enthusiast, be it live music or technology enthusiast. Here's my point: I tape live a lot. I usually run 16/44.1 because I = know my destination is CDR and people who want to listen to CDs, not screw = with gear, hardware or software. In fact, the *vast* majority of the people = I trade with who will end up listening to the recordings I make will do so never even wanting/understanding shns. Ergo, getting 16/44.1 shns to = the "first tier" of traders gets bit-perfect tunes to those poised to make = the bulk of the audio copies of the show in question, i.e. 10-20+ copies = each. It is amazing to me, but I'll estimate that 80%-90% of the people I send shows to have no idea what shns are, and 98% of them not only don't own = (or haven't stolen) software that will do competent downsampling, even if = they knew how to do it in the first place. As for tracking and the associated issues of fucking that up, well, = that's just part of it. Me, I track discs to make 74-minute audio discs. I = don't fade discs, although I generally fade sets, because they sound cleaner = that way and there's no signal to lose. Ergo, anyone with the motivation can "reconstitute" the set and make an unbroken "whole show" should they = want to go through all that. After all, taking your argument to the logical conclusion, why not complain about people breaking shn recordings into = 700 mb chunks? Why not just etrade the 1.1 gig whole, "uncut" show? I'm also still unconvinced that 48k matters all that much. I have > $5k = in audio in the living room, and I've never heard an astonishing difference from 44.1. That, and I think you'll find that people who can play 48k = (to say nothing of 96k) PCM on a competent system are vanishingly, = vanishingly rare. Would it be ideal for the world to trade 96/24 uncut shns? Yes. = As it stands today, is that practicable? I say no. It's coming, but we're = not there yet, even in a "high-end user" sense. Not even close. Just some "I went to the beach today" thoughts... Scott Goodwin Charleston, SC me@scottwilliamgoodwin.com > From: "Kevin Hatton" > Subject: Thoughts on SHN trading > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:41:28 -0500 > > Hello all, > > I know that this is not entirely **on-topic** so please disregard if = you > have problems with these thoughts presented on DAT-heads. Also, for > bandwidth tax I'll take a couple of people for any SHN's off my list = on > phishhook (name=3Dkevin_hatton). > > I have gotten several SHN trades of late that have disturbed me to = some > extent. I assume that in order to trade shn's that both the sender = and the > receiver have computers and can to varying degrees use those computers = for > the purpose of trading. However, there are several things that I = don't > necessarily understand in SHN trades: > > 1) Why do 48->44.1 conversions? The point of shn's is to send = unchanged > data from person to person with theoretically (and proven?) increases = in > reliability over plain .wav's. In order for me to subsequently be = able to > listen to the music I have 2 options. I can convert the shn to audio = and > burn a cd to play through my conventional cd player or through a = winamp > plugin directly from the shn. Of course, if the master was recorded = in 44.1 > then this issue is moot; however, if the original was recorded in 48 = then > there is a big difference (bitwise) between conversion to wav for cd player > and the winamp solution. (This can also be applied to the 24/96 that = is now > being recorded.) The ".wav way" will require some conversion of the > original bits using external software that at best distorts the = original > bits and at worse completely changes them all. I suggest then, that = for > trading shn that we trade unconverted wav files and allow the = downstream > person to convert if they so desire. Thus perserving the greater "bit > accuracy." For me, my computer is directly connected to my home = stereo and > so there is no direct need for 48->44.1 conversion. > > > 2) Why break the shn disc on audio cd boundaries? Since the = recipient > cannot directly use their shn in cd players directly, they will be required > to do some computer manipulation anyway, how difficult is it to direct = the > burning software to split one cd with x tracks into 2 cds each with x > tracks? I know this may be a bit picky but I have received several = shn's of > late that have been broken in the middle of a "nice long jam" with = fade's in > and out. The entire set would have fit on one shn disc with plenty of space > left over. This does not seem to fit my concept of "unadulterated = bits." > Again, we should trade without disc breaks and allow the downstream person, > if they so desire to make cuts and fades. If you really wanted to be = nice > and take all the guesswork out for the downstream person you could = include a > nice text file explaining in excruciating detail which tracks to = include on > what disc and where to do fades. > > If you've read this far, thanks for allowing me to think out loud. I value > your input both directly to my email and to the the list. I also apologize > if these thoughts are "stupid, rigid, or just too damn picky." Also, = I hope > these thoughts have not been previously addressed, however, I'm pretty sure > I've never read them before. > > Sincerely, > > Kevin Hatton > UK College of Medicine > Email: kevin_hatton@hotmail.com Scott Goodwin 99-B Alexander Charleston, SC 29403 me@scottwilliamgoodwin.com www.scottwilliamgoodwin.com ------------------------------ From: jcarvalh Subject: ISO: The Walkmen, White Stripes, Air Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:54:35 -0500 (EST) Looking to find traders out there who caught the Walkmen or the White Stripes recently... email me privately.... as usual, I have a great list. Also, looking for any and all great Air FMs or SBDs. Also, still looking for Stereophponics92@aol.com to finish his trade. Folks, do yourselves a favor and avoid any and all trades with the dude using this email. Its been almost 4 months and I have simply given up hope of ever seeing my tapes.... Anyways, thanks for the time and trades! --- Jeff BWT: Stereophonics 2002-02-04 Boston (AT831b>ATbb>M1>CDR) 2disc B&P to the first person to mail. ------------------------------ From: "Killion, Jeff" Subject: Extigy cloning question Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:59:32 -0500 Man, you got me. I use a Marantz stand-alone for burning, a DA-20 for transfers, and don't do anything on my computer. I'm going to forward this along to DATheads as well. I'm sure someone there will help you out. -----Original Message----- From: Charles Simons [mailto:charlesrsimons@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 1:46 AM To: jkillion@Urban-Engineering.com Subject: RE: Soulive at 9:30 Club Allright Jeff, maybe you can help me. The only way I can make you a DAT clone is if I can figure out how to plug my computer into my DAT. I have an external sound card called the Extigy by Creative Labs. It has a ditigal out that looks like a mini jack, something I've never seen. I'm pretty sure that it is not one of those optical mini jacks. I e-mailed their support department, and they said that the set-up I have would not produce a digital transfer. I have a mini to two RCA jack to one RCA which I have hooked up to my SPDIF RCA to seven-pin digital cable for my Sony D3. They said this would just be an analog transer, and it must be because I don't get any levels on my D3 when I try to record. This makes me wonder what the digital mini jack they have on the Extigy is really all about. I am just about to the point where I am going to buy an optical to seven pin cord for my DAT3 because there is an optical digital out jack from the Extigy external sound card. Do you think this is what I am going to have to do from what you know about all this stuff? I definately want to hook you up with this show. It is an excellent recording, so tell me what you think. I have been working on this for many hours every day after work. I am not trying to slack on getting you this show, but I just haven't figured out how to do it yet, and the support team at Creative Labs takes a long time to respond to my e-mails. I appreciate anything you might knwo about this. Thanks, Chad >From: "Killion, Jeff" >To: 'Charles Simons' >Subject: RE: Soulive at 9:30 Club >Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:07:06 -0500 > >Cool No rush. > > -----Original Message----- >From: Charles Simons [mailto:charlesrsimons@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:34 AM >To: jkillion@Urban-Engineering.com >Subject: RE: Soulive at 9:30 Club > >Jeff, thanks for the tape. I got it yesterday. I will have yours in the >mail as soon as possible. I spent all night tonight trying to figure out >my > >new hardware. Forgive me for the delay. You are not forgotten. I hope >you > >like the show when I finally do get it to you. I have been getting some >really nice recordings here in Boulder. I saw Karl Denson, Ozomatli, and >Blackalicious last night, and John Scofield with the Yards the night >before. > > Let me know if you ever want any other shows. I know you are tired of >trading right now, no worries. I also know that it may seem like you are >always going to have to wait to get a show from me. Sorry about that, but >once I get my stuff together, it shouldn't be a problem. > >Thanks again, >Chad > > > >From: "Killion, Jeff" > >To: 'Charles Simons' > >Subject: RE: Soulive at 9:30 Club > >Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:19:41 -0500 > > > >Thanks, I should have those tapes in the mail tomorrow. > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Charles Simons [mailto:charlesrsimons@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 9:53 PM > >To: jkillion@Urban-Engineering.com > >Subject: RE: Soulive at 9:30 Club > > > >Jeff, the Galactic show was on 2/18/02 and the source was BMK 40/11 to > >Lunatec V2 to SBMI to my D3. > > > >I'll have it off to you as soon as possible. > > > >Chad > > > > > > >From: "Killion, Jeff" > > >To: 'Charles Simons' > > >Subject: RE: Soulive at 9:30 Club > > >Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:47:37 -0500 > > > > > >Ok. Sounds good. What's the date and source info for that Galactic? > > > > > >Soulive 12/1/01 - Neumann KM184>AETA PSP-3>Sony M1 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >From: Charles Simons [mailto:charlesrsimons@hotmail.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 2:20 PM > > >To: jkillion@Urban-Engineering.com > > >Subject: RE: Soulive at 9:30 Club > > > > > > > > >It's not a problem. I'd like to give you something in return for the > > >Soulive show. The only thing is that I have to put the show on my > > >computer, > > > > > >and then play it back on blank DAT. I am going to buy a sound card for > >my > > >computer today or tomorrow with digital input and output. The Creative > > >Labs > > > > > >Extigy is an external sound card that plugs in through the USB port. >It > > >sounds like a good thing, but I was hoping to hear from someone who >knows > > >before I buy it. > > > > > >I think I am just going to get it anyway, and then I can make your DAT. > >I > > >should be able to have it ready to mail by next Monday. > > > > > >Thanks again, > > >Chad > > > > > > >From: "Killion, Jeff" > > > >To: 'Charles Simons' > > > >Subject: RE: Soulive at 9:30 Club > > > >Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:01:18 -0500 > > > > > > > >Thanks, I would prefer it on DAT. If it's really that much of a > >hassle, > > > >I'd > > > >be happy to just B&P that Soulive DAT for you. I'm really trying to > >take > > > > >a > > > >break from trading anyway. > > > > > > > >-Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > >From: Charles Simons [mailto:charlesrsimons@hotmail.com] > > > >Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:01 AM > > > >To: jkillion@Urban-Engineering.com > > > >Subject: RE: Soulive at 9:30 Club > > > > > > > > > > > >I would be able to send you a couple of CDs quicker. But if you >would > > >like > > > >it on DAT, it shouldn't be a problem. I'll go ahead and put it on >DAT > > >for > > > >you as soon as I can. > > > > > > > >Chad > > > > > > > > >From: "Killion, Jeff" > > > > >To: 'Charles Simons ' > > > > >Subject: RE: Soulive at 9:30 Club > > > > >Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:20:53 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks. Could you send it on DAT? > > > > >Not the address on my card...the address I emailed to you in my >last > > > >email. > > > > > > > > > >jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: Charles Simons > > > > >To: jkillion@Urban-Engineering.com > > > > >Sent: 3/5/2002 7:20 PM > > > > >Subject: RE: Soulive at 9:30 Club > > > > > > > > > >Thanks Jeff, I'll send you a copy of the Galactic show on CD. I > >guess > > >I > > > > > > > > > >should just send it to the address that is on your business card. >Is > > > > >that > > > > >right? > > > > > > > > > >My address is: > > > > > > > > > >Charles R. Simons > > > > >2039 11th Street, #7 > > > > >Boulder, CO 80302 > > > > > > > > > >Thanks again, > > > > >Charles > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Killion, Jeff" > > > > > >To: 'Charles Simons' > > > > > >Subject: RE: Soulive at 9:30 Club > > > > > >Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:51:25 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > >Just got an email from my friend. The tapes went out Priority > >today, > > > > >so I > > > > > >should get them back by Thursday. I'll get your tape in the mail > >by > > > > > >Saturday. > > > > > >Just need your address. > > > > > > > > > > > >Jeff Killion > > > > > >2121 Greenwich St. > > > > > >Falls Church, VA 22043 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > >From: Charles Simons [mailto:charlesrsimons@hotmail.com] > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:36 PM > > > > > >To: jkillion@Urban-Engineering.com > > > > > >Subject: RE: Soulive at 9:30 Club > > > > > > > > > > > >I just recorded Galactic and Billy Martin's Turntable Sessions in > > > > >Boulder. > > > > > >I have other shows too, but those come highly recommended. I can > > >send > > > > >you > > > > > >the shows on CD if you want. Let me know, and send me your >mailing > > > > >address > > > > > >when you get your tapes back. > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Charles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Killion, Jeff" > > > > > > >To: 'Charles Simons ' > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Soulive at 9:30 Club > > > > > > >Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 15:18:52 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, of course. The tape's actually out on loan right now. >I > > > > >should > > > > > > >have > > > > > > >it back in a the next couple weeks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > > >From: Charles Simons > > > > > > >To: jkillion@urban-engineering.com > > > > > > >Sent: 3/3/2002 2:47 PM > > > > > > >Subject: Soulive at 9:30 Club > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jeff, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I talked to you at the Soulive show in DC at the 9:30 club. I > >was > > > > > > >wondering > > > > > > >if it would be possible to get a clone of the show. I'm in > > >Boulder, > > > > >CO > > > > > > >now, > > > > > > >and I have been taping some great shows. Let me know if you > >would > > >be > > > > > > >interested in a trade. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Talk to you later, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Charles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > > > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > > > > >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: >http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > > >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >http://www.hotmail.com > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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