DAT-heads Digest #259, Volume #6 Thu, 21 Mar 02 08:50:01 EST Contents: FS: Digital soundcard / Prodif Plus ("Phunk1") mics for sale ("Mike Hooker") FS: AT4041 mics (Erich S) New "Microboards Copyrighter Live" ("Mark Baldwin") Herbie Hancock Future2Future tapers? ("pwking") ISO:Dead Left coast 83 Digi Auds (Wavy Davy) iso: james brown from seattle 6/25/00 (Jbg0402@aol.com) Extra Phish 12-31-95 for bnP ("Matt Edlhuber") TRADES TRADES TRADES ("Chris Siegl") re: Soundcards... Is there a FAQ out there? ("Slipkid") NOLA venue help ----- Jazzfest taping ------ (Jon Weber) ISO: used sonosax sx-m2 ("Michael Lubbering") ISO: help w/ Speed Correction (Delano) Cleveland - Agora Theatre taping? ("Brian Skalinder") 3-mic omni recordings ("rob landis") anybody tape PMG in Syracuse? (Jeff Chard) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phunk1" Subject: FS: Digital soundcard / Prodif Plus Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:25:30 -0500 My digital soundcard is still for sale. Its made by Sek'd, and its called the Prodif Plus. The Oades use this card and other Sek'd products. Its a fantastic card for digital (dat > HD) transfers. I've probably done over a hundred in the last two years, and they sound great. I would be happy to give anybody a sample if necessary. You can see full specs on the card @ www.sekd.com I use it for my analog playback as well, and it sounds fantastic. I don't want to part with this thing....its probably the smartest computer/music decision I've made in the last few years. BUT, I'm moving to an Apple setup, so I need to buy an interface for that. I bought the card for $400 two years ago. The price hasn't come down since. In fact, Sek'd has it listed for $500. I'm willing to part with it for $325, negotiable. If anyone is interested, I also have an Audio Magic Presto II S/PDIF that I would like to get rid of. It retails for ~$80. I'll sell the two for $350. thanks for the space, P1 ------------------------------ From: "Mike Hooker" Subject: mics for sale Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:41:12 -0500 hi, someone posted the following: FS: Sound professionals CMC-6 Premium Bineural Microphones, including: - 2 matched omni caps - 2 matched hyper caps - Slimline battery pack/mic pre (9v with switchable bass rolloff) - lavelier clips To purchase new, the current price is $485 for the items listed above, not including shipping or tax. I am asking $350 or BO for the whole set. The mics are in excellent working condition and pr= oduce extremely consistent recordings. Truly excellent for on stage micing with the omni caps, or up front with the card= s. Stealthing is also very easy with these mics due to their small size. Selling only because I have replaced with new = full sized gear ive got the same for sale, but i'm looking for 250.00. thanks take at look at my music trading list ( new URL) http://hometown.aol.com/mhooker216/myhomepage/index.html have fun, Mike Hooker ------------------------------ From: Erich S Subject: FS: AT4041 mics Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:11:42 -0800 (PST) Thought I'd try here before doing the ebay thing. Got two mics, they're quite mint. Reason I'm selling them is they're not matched exactly. One's a db-1/2 hotter. So, thought I'd upgrade to get a matched pair. I payed 375 for the pair, would like to get that at the least. These would be great for studio applications. Make me an offer if interested. Peace ~E leaves1854@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Mark Baldwin" Subject: New "Microboards Copyrighter Live" Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:40:16 -0500 Got an email update from National Recording Supplies today about: http://www.tapes.com/cd_dvd_cwlive.htm Pretty Interesting. Looks like they may have figured out the answer to recording for longer than 80 min on cd. Now if they go and add some more digi ins and outs and shrink it then it could be an interesting field recorgding device. The video capability could be kind of cool & it seems that a lot of its capabilities are geared towards video. Mark _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "pwking" Subject: Herbie Hancock Future2Future tapers? Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:54:43 -0700 hi, if anyone pulls as good a master of the Herbie Hancock Future2Future show as I did last night, I want to hear from YOU! The show ran 2:25, so bring 90M tapes... super hot, very funky, and the set closed with a stellar rendition of ROCKIT. what more could you ask for? p _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Wavy Davy Subject: ISO:Dead Left coast 83 Digi Auds Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:13:51 -0800 (PST) Howdy all,I'm looking for the DAUDs of these 3 west coast shows but if they don't exist as full digital auds I'll take what I can get: (as long as there master analog>digital domain) Portland,Or.8-26-83 Seattle,Wa. 8-27-83 S.F.,Ca. 12-31-83 I'm pretty sure these all circulate as sbd/master cassette>dat which I'd like as well. Have alot to trade! B/W Tax: Dead Washington,D.C. 7-7-86 DAUD/Fob un specified Schoeps source 2x74 cds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Jbg0402@aol.com Subject: iso: james brown from seattle 6/25/00 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:11:16 EST i'm looking for james brown 6/25/00 he was supposedly reunited with Maceo Parker, Fred Wesley, Bootsy Collins i'm sure it was a hot show any help would be great have plenty to offer jason ------------------------------ From: "Matt Edlhuber" Subject: Extra Phish 12-31-95 for bnP Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:17:20 -0600 Source is Schoeps MK41/CMC6>Oade Deluxe>DAP1 DFC/OTS by Craig Hillwig, 3x60m. E-mail if you want it...looking for 3 maxell or sonys in return, 90m if you dont mind what length of tape. -ED _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ From: "Chris Siegl" Subject: TRADES TRADES TRADES Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:06:19 -0500 hi everyone. this is my first post to the digest. i am interested in trading for high quality recordings of just about anything good. i have been fortunate to this point in that i have been able to get a good number of top shelf shows and have compiled a fairly ecclectic mix (a total of about 170 titles). i have both common and uncommon recordings. i am not offering or requesting any specific trades, but instead looking to network a little. email me for my list. thanks. -chris _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Slipkid" Subject: re: Soundcards... Is there a FAQ out there? Reply-To: "Slipkid" Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:21:28 -0500 kevin wrote: >I've recently purchased a Sony M1 deck and just got my digi-cable. My plan >is to pull my DAT's into my computer via an older SPIDF CO-Ax card. I was >working under the general assumption that digital is digital and therefore >a transfer from the deck to the PC would be perfect regardless of the >hardware involved since it should just be a multitude of 1's and 0's. >In conversation with others I'm finding that this might not be the case. >Can some one point me in the direction of a resource for this type of >material or at least give me the $.05 tour of sound card ins and outs? this topic comes up every once in a while...i went through this same quest for info myself twice already, once when i bought the first card i used for this purpose (a zefiro acoustic ZA2), then later after i decided to replace it with something else to avoid some problems that card had in my PC so i'll share of my experience with you & the list...i'm not an expert by any means..different people may have other views/ideas/etc you do have to do your OWN research and make your OWN decisions as to what you'd like to do, especially since things change VERY FAST in the PC world (and i have not researched soundcards extensively for the past 6-12 months) the main issue is that not all cards keep the digital stream "pure" (for lack of a better word); the soundblaster cards are known to resample the digital input even when you don't want them to...maybe they have some new models out that corrected this problem (?) in addition to wanting to be sure to get a card that keeps the signal "pure", there are cases where you WILL want to do resampling, like if mastering to CD-R (which uses 44.1kHz), and coming from a DAT source of 48kHz some cards offer this type of resampling that can be done in hardware on the card while transferring the data to your PC ("on the fly")...there is also software that will do this, either on the fly or after the fact...which method you choose, and even what software you use, gets into a debate about how well the various chips/software algorithims do the job etc so here's a great link to check out for some misc. soundcard info: http://www.digitalexperience.com/cards.html it explains some things about soundcards & the 2 main different approaches to use when deciding on what to buy for your PC, and also has a list of a bunch of cards with their "features" although some of the info at the link above may be outdated it is still useful, and has many useful links on it to follow for more info the 2 basic approaches to deciding on what card to get boils down to whether you want a jack-of-all-trades soundcard that hopefully does everything well, including being the Digital Input/Output device, or whether you are willing to split up the workload & use a cheapo soundcard for the mundane PC sound tasks (games, driving speakers, etc) and a seperate dedicated DIO card (that is what i opted for in my system, an el cheapo regular card & a seperate DIO) other interesting links to visit about soundcards: http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/ http://www.pcrecording.com/ http://www.rockpark.com/soundcards/ here a few recommendations on specific cards: ego-sys waveterminal 2496 http://egosys.net/main.html http://egosys.net/1-pro/eng/product/wt_2496/wt2496.html http://www.crmav.com/gear/73/wave_terminal_2496.shtml i got my ego-sys from bayview pro audio for about $300...i just checked it nw & they have it for $269 http://bayviewproaudio.com/ProductDetail.asp?Products_Action=Find('ProductID ','ego2496')&Products_Position=FIL%3A++Category+LIKE+%27%2ASound+Cards%2A%27 +AND+Manufacturer+LIKE+%27%2AEGO%2DSYS%2A%27+AND+Platform+LIKE+%27%2AWin%2A% 27ORD%3AABS%3A5KEY%3Aego2496PAR%3A it has the advantage of being able to do resampling of the digital frequency on the fly in hardware on the card; you can also do it in software if that is your preference i did some tests of each method & my ears could not detect any difference so i'm letting the card do the work when i need to resample midiman/m-audio delta dio 2496, dio 2448 http://www.midiman.com/products/m-audio/dio2496.php (about $200) http://www.midiman.com/products/m-audio/dio2448.php (about $120) http://www.pcrecording.com/audiophile.htm (a review) SEK'D prodif plus http://www.sekd.com/product_main/pplus_info.htm (about $400) zoltrix nightingale http://www.zoltrix-int.com/products/nightingale.htm http://pipedreamer.bizland.com/zoltrix/ the zoltrix nightingale is really cheap (around $50) but i read that you have to do some surgery on it to use it with a coax cable (?) the links above no longer work unfortunately :-( maybe someone else can steer you to the updated ones (?) the 2nd one was a "how to" user type link & very useful these devices are not "soundcards", but hookup via USB & might do what you want http://egosys.net/1-pro/eng/product/u24/u24.html http://egosys.net/1-pro/eng/product/wt_u2a/wtu2a.html (about $225) there are some technical issues with them though, due to the limitations of USB, i forget the details btw, bayview pro audio had some of the best prices on digital cards when i was shopping around, plus if you buy from them and ASK THEM to also give you samplitude project software, they will throw it in for you, that software can be used for both recording and also for resampling if need be datheads vendor page lists several places to check on soundcard prices http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/Vendors/ it pays to do comparison price shopping, you might find a bargain...i've had good luck at bayview (www.bayviewproaudio.com) and sound professionals (www.soundprofessionals.com), but there are certainly other worthy vendors out there good luck, - jon - p.s. BANDWIDTH TAX back to the group for some help i've gotten recently: - first person to email me gets DAVID GILMOUR london 1/16/2002 on CD-R - 2nd person gets DAVID GILMOUR london 1/17/2002 on CD-R - 3rd gets DAVID GILMOUR london 1/18/2002 on CD-R ------------------------------ From: Jon Weber Subject: NOLA venue help ----- Jazzfest taping ------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:14:32 -0800 (PST) I was hoping to find out about the relative taper-friendliness of the following New Orleans venues, assuming the band performing is pro-taper. I'll be there for jazzfest for the first time so I'm looking to get an idea of what to expect. House of Blues (and Parrish upstairs) Howlin Wolf Tipitina's (both locations) Saenger & Orpheum Theatres The Maple Leaf Riverboat Queen I'm most concerned about the vibe at the HOB of course. Also curious if the smaller clubs are cool with onstage mic placement. Any local New Orleans advice would be welcome (including restaurant recommendations!)... feel free to mail me off list but I imagine a few other dat-heads would find this venue information useful. Thanks much. jon weberwest@go.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS - please update your add. book Jon Weber < weberwest@go.com > ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com ------------------------------ From: "Michael Lubbering" Subject: ISO: used sonosax sx-m2 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:26:55 -0600 As the subject says I'm in the market for a sx-m2, if anyone has one that they are looking to get rid of, please contact me at this email or mlubbering@neo.tamu.edu. Thanks Michael ------------------------------ From: Delano Subject: ISO: help w/ Speed Correction Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:32:02 -0500 I have 2 shows that need speed correction - both are slightly different situations. 1) I have a dat (and converted discs) of the cassette master (Sea Level 2/3/80). Apparently towards the end of the show, the cassette deck experienced some serious problem. The cassette was recording fine, but at some point near the end of the show, all-at-once, the tape slows and the sound is very slightly muted. The second speed is slower but consistent through the remainder of the show. 2) I have a cd of a cassette from a FM broadcast of the B-52's (Athens, GA '78). The sound is very good, but the entire show sounds a little fast (B-52's on helium!). It's not scientific, but I also used my guitar and tuner to compare my tuning with the recording - confirming my speed suspicions. The slightly faster speed is consistent throughout the recording. Since neither of these shows is really "in circulation" and both are 'peripheral' bands at best, I thought I would try to fix these. I have both SF 4.5 and CoolEdit Pro. Can anyone please tell me the best way to fix these problems (on the PC)? (I recently asked about fixing an early ABB show, but since the problem varied throughout, it seemed an unlikely fix and I never made an attempt - hence I am asking again). Take Care, Delano http://www.geocities.com/digitaldelano/ ------------------------------ From: "Brian Skalinder" Subject: Cleveland - Agora Theatre taping? Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:14:11 -0500 I'm planning to tape Death Cab For Cutie tomorrow night, Thu 21 Mar, at the Agora. The band allows taping - AUD and/or SBD. But the Agora webpage states no recording devices allowed. Anyone know if this policy is enforced? Any chance I can get full gear and mic stand in? Or should I expect to stealth? Thanks for any help... Brian bskalinder@yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "rob landis" Subject: 3-mic omni recordings Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:27:45 -0500 ok, so i understand that, in the recording of orchestras, people often use a spaced omni aray, with the spaced pair as normal, and then a center mic in the middle, split between the L and R channels. (panned center, via a mixing board) what if CSB-type binaural mics were made w/ a third omni capsule in the middle, at the top of your head? that would fill in the weak spot in the middle. i know binaural recordings, from a scientific perspective or whatever, sound real accurate/amazing when played over headphones, etc... but that doesn't really do us any good here. it just doesn't fit, when you're recording loud, bass-heavy rock music, played over a mono PA system. it sounds kinda synthetic, kinda artificial. plus a capsule at the top of your head would pick up unobstructed, "cleaner" sound, with more of the high frequencies intact, before they get absorbed/reflected by your head, or other heads for that matter. i know one potential difficulty is combining the 3 signals without a mixer. but couldn't the necessary circuitry be enclosed in a "battery box" type structure? could this actually work? has anyone every experimented with this? i would love to try such a setup- to make it, or if anyone wants to build one and sell it (Len?) thanks for the space rob _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Jeff Chard Subject: anybody tape PMG in Syracuse? Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:32:30 -0500 Saw a great Pat Metheny Group show in Syracuse earlier this month. Best I've seen them in decades! If any tapers were there, I'd love to get a copy of the set. Lots to trade, of course. Also, if anyone can send me or point me towards some online photos from this tour, I'd like to make some cd artwork for a couple of dates. Thanks much, Jeff Chard ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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