DAT-heads Digest #295
Contents:
Sony PCM 300 vs Sony DTC 60ES and Pro Digital (Keith Bode)
Re: more 32 khz.... (Jeff Lester)
FS: Sony DTC-790 ("Naumoff, Jason")
ISO Sir Paul 4/17/02 Continental Airlines Arena ("keith e januszak")
DAT collection liquidation (Jude James McElroy)
Appleseed Cast? (Aleal5687@cs.com)
Nick Cave - U.S. Tour 2002 (umlaut)
Sony SDT 9000 firmware and software For Audio (Keith Bode)
Tanya Donelly KCRW 4/23/02? (Reboot)
for trade: Loreena McKennitt 1992 pre-FM (Reboot)
taped: Bob Dylan, Ravenna Italy 19 april 2002 (2nd attempt) (luigi.bagatella@serenacom.net)
for trade: Jon Spencer Blues Explosion 10/16/01 pre-FM (Reboot)
le tigre ("=?iso-8859-1?q?Mr.Binaurals?=")
Hi...First Time POster...ISO: Used A/D (pref SBM-1) ("steven wolf")
Robert Hunters current tour...taper friendly? (Nick Georges)
Opening act for Robert Randolph - Shannon McNally ("Thomas Avallone")
Re: DAT-heads Digest #294 (Wayne Brissette)
Extra pass for Paul Westerberg concert @ Virgin Megatore Union Square 4/28 (David_Olstein/NY/DEWEY@deweyballantine.com)
"unbalancing" a mic signal (Dave C)
ISO: recent COBHAM / Jazz is DEAD shows (Tompixie@aol.com)
Looking for some Stereolab (Ethan)
How to go about getting a Sony DAT serviced. ("Patrick Moughan")
Re: How to go about getting a Sony DAT serviced. (David Carmean)
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Sony PCM 300 vs Sony DTC 60ES and Pro Digital
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:15:01 -0700
I hope I can pick a few brains, and use the knowledge of the group, that
excedes mine. And thanks Seth, for your view point, already in the
blender of my brain.
Last year bought a Sony DTC 60ES home DAT deck. In messing around on
eBay there seems to be several Sony PCM 300 DAT decks, for reasonable
prices. I have an opportunity to pick up one that has a claimed less
than 20 hours of use, for $240, and of course is in pristine condition,
that closed without making the reserve. I have been told this would be
a substantial step up, with better A/D converter and overall improved
electronics, as it's probably 5 years newer than my deck built in 1994.
If anyone has any experience with this deck, or either of them, and has
some opinion of my best move, my relative novice knowledge base would
appreciate it.
Keith
From: Jeff Lester <lester@gandalf.sp.trw.com>
Subject: Re: more 32 khz....
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:18:12 -0700 (PDT)
"john e. bogus" <mallness@surfbest.net>
> I'll reply onlist as well, others will probably benefit from this
>too....the SV-3800 accepted a digital input signal from the D7 and
>successfully cloned the tape. It does appear that the digital signal is the
>same, but the tape speed is halved on the D7 but NOT the SV-3800. The
>copied tape not only plays back on the SV-3800, but also on the D7 as well
>without problems! My question is, will it play back on ALL other DAT decks
>as well as my own?
Yes.
There are two kinds of 32kHz recordings, LP mode and SP mode. All decks will
play 32kHz SP mode. Sony decks will play 32 kHz LP mode as well as decks
like the Fostex D5 and Tascam DA-20, though those decks have been known to
have slight incompatibility with Sony LP mode tapes. The Panasonic SV-3800
and many pro decks are incompatible with LP mode. You didn't technically
clone the tape when you went LP tape on D7 -> 32kHz SP tape on SV-3800,
since the second tape is not exactly the same as the first. Here's an
explanation of LP mode from the ages-old (1992) FAQ:
{19} What's the rundown on Long Play mode?
48, 44.1, and 32 kHz are the three sampling frequencies that can be
used to record on a DAT. The 44.1 and 48 kHz modes are "normal" modes -
a 120 minute tape lasts 120 minutes.
Long-play tapes are recorded at 32kHz, but there are two 32kHz
standards.
The 32 kHz Long Play standard uses a non-linear 12-bit quantization
scheme. That's how they get 92 dB or whatever out of 12 bits - the
buckets at the quiet end of the spectrum are bigger. This means that
you'll theoretically get more distortion at low recording levels than
you would ordinarily. That and the fact that frequency response is
limited to 16 kHz are the trade-offs you make to get twice the time for
your hard-earned DAT dollar. This is because you are storing less data
per second of sound, so you get 240 minutes out of a 120 minute tape.
The other 32kHz standard is a 16-bit one that is (apparently) only used
by the broadcast industry. You get no tape savings as a trade-off of
losing half an octave of music. This is the 32kHz standard supported by
the Panasonic SV-3700 - however, you can only record in 32kHz 16-bit
mode through the AES/EBU digital interface. So unless you have digital
broadcast equipment with an AES/EBU port, you won't have much use for
this mode.
The two 32 kHz standards are not interchangeable. For this reason you
cannot play back 12-bit Long Play tapes on a 3700. None of the
Panasonic and Technics products that I've seen support the LP mode,
while all the Sony products I've seen do. It's been a few months, so
maybe things have changed. If using Long Play mode is important to you,
this is an important thing to keep in mind when auditioning a new
deck.
For many applications, the reduction in audio quality using Long Play
mode is not very perceptible, especially for tapes that have been
through a couple of lossy analog generations. However, other people
disagree with me here, so you should make a test tape at various
sampling rates and decide for yourself. The 32kHz sample rate is also
suitable for FM broadcasts, which are limited to 15.5kHz bandwidth
anyway.
Many machines, such as the Sony TCD-D3 will switch between sampling
rates while recording or playing back. There will be a pause during
transitions. You can use this to your advantage - make a tape with
several transitions. Make a point of NOT paying attention to which
state you started out in, and listen for differences during playback. I
tried this with the Garcia/Grisman CD and was fairly surprised. I could
not tell the difference through my shitty speakers, but through decent
speakers or headphones you could tell. I don't think it makes any
difference for those raunchy old '69 tapes though, so that's what I use
LP for. [dc]
-Jeff Lester
From: "Naumoff, Jason" <Jason.Naumoff@espn.com>
Subject: FS: Sony DTC-790
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:21:58 -0400
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I'm selling my Sony DTC 790 consumer home DAT deck. It's in great shape and
actually has lived most of it's life in storage. Probably has 50 hours play
time and none on record.
SPDIF: In
Optical: In and out
Analog RCA: In and out
$400 or best offer takes it home.
Jason
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From: "keith e januszak" <januszak@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO Sir Paul 4/17/02 Continental Airlines Arena
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:31:41 -0400
ISO Sir Paul 4/17/02 Continental Airlines Arena East Rutherford, NJ
Looking for DAT, shn, or CDR copy of this show. If not available, I'd be
interested in another show from the tour. I have plenty to offer in trade.
Thanks,
Keith
http://www.phishhook.com/lists/januszak
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From: Jude James McElroy <jjmcelro@artsci.wustl.edu>
Subject: DAT collection liquidation
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:43:35 -0500 (CDT)
Hi all,
I have finally decided to get rid of my DAT collection. I sold my play
around four months ago and have been struggling with the question of
whether to just buy a new home deck or get out of DAT collection all
togeher. I've decided to go with the later. I have recently counted my
DATs and I have around 166. The majority of them are Pearl Jam and Phihs,
but I have a bunch of Dead and other stuff. Here is an un updated list of
my shows most of what I have that isn't up there is older Phish stuff, a
lot which are soundbords. http://artsci.wustl.edu/~jjmcelro/
I want to get rid of all of the tapes at once
and am looking to get around $1.75-1.50 for each tape. I will take $280
obo for all of the tapes. If interested e-mail me.
Take Care,
Jude
From: Aleal5687@cs.com
Subject: Appleseed Cast?
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:11:20 EDT
I am looking for ANY Appleseed cast shows on DAT/CDR
esp from the European Tour they just finished up Cursive
Thanks in advance
Arnold
http://www.geocities.com/aleal5687
http://www.theappleseedcast.com/shows.html
From: umlaut <umlaut@rcn.com>
Subject: Nick Cave - U.S. Tour 2002
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:58:37 -0700
Looking for quality spins from the current Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds U.S.
Tour.. Have both 4/18 and 4/19 San Francisco for trade on CD-R (from
Schoeps > D7). Contact me if you can help.
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Sony SDT 9000 firmware and software For Audio
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:53:29 -0700
I am pretty sure there has been a pretty extensivediscussion of using
the above hardware and informaton on Firmware, for converting this unit
to be able to handle audio capabilties, incldng ripping to wav. I
anyone who has the experience on making the conversion to audio capable
on this drive, please get back to me, or forward the location of the
information on performing this task, I'd appreciate it.
I'd also bookmard the site or sites.
Keith
From: Reboot <re_bootleg@yahoo.com>
Subject: Tanya Donelly KCRW 4/23/02?
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:37:46 -0700 (PDT)
Hi,
Is anyone planning to record Tanya Donelly on KCRW's
Morning Becomes Eclectic today (April 23)? Wish I
could, but I'm in Canada.
Hope someone can help me out! I'm sure we could find
something to trade for it - My collection's pretty
large and...eclectic. :)
thanks,
Chris
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From: Reboot <re_bootleg@yahoo.com>
Subject: for trade: Loreena McKennitt 1992 pre-FM
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 03:00:20 -0700 (PDT)
I wonder if anyone's interested in this excellent
pre-FM show I re-discovered while going through my
collection:
Loreena McKennitt - Ontario Place, Toronto, ON 1992
55 min. A+
It's straight off the master DAT that was used by a
local radio station. Sorry I don't have a full
date... I can't remember the broadcast date after all
this time, and the station's lazy about keeping logs
of when concerts were recorded.
But it's a pretty rare show. I don't know of anyone
else with a copy. I'm interested in many different
artists, so feel free to send me your lists! I prefer
to trade on cd-r, if possible.
thanks,
Chris
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From: luigi.bagatella@serenacom.net
Subject: taped: Bob Dylan, Ravenna Italy 19 april 2002 (2nd attempt)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:13:56 +0200
I'm very sorry for the last, unreadable, post.
Trying once again, I have taped Bob Dylan in Ravenna
last friday, the tape came out excellent.
I used OKMIIr mics + Sony PCM-M1.
Please send me a list for a trade.
Luigi
http://www.luigibagatella.supereva.it/
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From: Reboot <re_bootleg@yahoo.com>
Subject: for trade: Jon Spencer Blues Explosion 10/16/01 pre-FM
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 03:28:00 -0700 (PDT)
Hi everyone,
Another pre-FM rarity here...this time fairly new:
Jon Spencer Blues Explosion - Richard's On Richard's,
Vancouver, BC. Oct. 16, 2001 120 min. A+
This is the complete, unedited show, which wasn't
aired on the radio. Straight off the station's DAT
master.
I'd like to trade cd-r. I'm looking for many
different artists, so please send me your lists. A
few things I'd love to find: new Tanya Donelly, any
Fuzzy, Kay Hanley, Jale, Plumtree, Shannon
Worrell/September 67, Crash Vegas/Michelle McAdorey,
Wild Strawberries, Madder Rose, Petra Haden/that
dog... But I'm not limited to these.
thanks,
Chris
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From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Mr.Binaurals?=" <crappysoundingbinaurals@yahoo.no>
Subject: le tigre
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:05:53 +0200 (CEST)
hello
need info on Le tigre (kathleen hannah) taping policy.
anyone wanna help me out?:)
thanks-in-advance
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From: "steven wolf" <scwolf73@hotmail.com>
Subject: Hi...First Time POster...ISO: Used A/D (pref SBM-1)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:35:32 -0400
SSIA
Im a long time lurker first time poster
Im searching out for an A/D convertor
Preferably an ADC-20 or SBM-1
Will entertain other offers though
Thanx in advance
Regards
Steve Wolf
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From: Nick Georges <nick@nickspicks.com>
Subject: Robert Hunters current tour...taper friendly?
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:14:58 -0400
tell me yes because I just got some sweet tickets for Somerville.
From: "Thomas Avallone" <tav2367@msn.com>
Subject: Opening act for Robert Randolph - Shannon McNally
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:14:34 +0000
Is anyone taping the Shannon McNally opening act for Robert Randolph ??
Tom
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Lays open like a road
In front of me"
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From: Wayne Brissette <wbrisett@citystar.com>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #294
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:17:34 -0500
Digestifier DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net on 22 April 2002 said:
>I see from time to time people offering up tapes from the California
>Guitar Trio. They aren't listed on BTAT, so anybody know what their
>current taping policy is?
Just as an FYI for folks. The band has gotten back to me and because this
is a private event they are going to allow me to tape it. However, from
the sounds of the email I got I'm not sure this is standard practice.
Regards,
Wayne
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From: David_Olstein/NY/DEWEY@deweyballantine.com
Subject: Extra pass for Paul Westerberg concert @ Virgin Megatore Union Square 4/28
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:32:12 -0400
I picked up an extra pass that guarantees admission to an in-store performance and autograph signing at the Virgin Megastore in Union Square this
Sunday @ 6:00 pm. If there are any experienced tapers out there who are interested, contact me via e-mail.
Also, does anybody know what security is like at these in-store shows?
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From: Dave C <dlc-dat@halibut.com>
Subject: "unbalancing" a mic signal
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:52:46 -0700
D'oh!
I'm getting ready to order some "real" mics to use with my M1,
and I think I'm committed to buying someone's Denecke PS2, but
this morning when I woke up I realized that this gives me a
phantom-powered balanced mic input, but my M1 has unbalanced
1/8" t/r/s.
I hadn't planned to get an external preamp or A/D for the M1.
Can I find a passive (transformer) solution from Jensen or
somebody?
*sigh*
From: Tompixie@aol.com
Subject: ISO: recent COBHAM / Jazz is DEAD shows
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:23:55 EDT
hello one and all
looking for some recent shows of these tours---
Billy Cobham's Spectrum
Jazz is Dead (acoustic trio with Jerry Goodman on violin)
also, any Mahavishnu Project shows from their recent tour.
thanks a lot Tom
From: Ethan <reedvalve@yahoo.com>
Subject: Looking for some Stereolab
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:24:06 -0700 (PDT)
I have one show and would like to hear some more
my list:
http://home.nyc.rr.com/fus/tapelist.htm
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From: "Patrick Moughan" <pgm2007@rit.edu>
Subject: How to go about getting a Sony DAT serviced.
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:25:56 -0400
Hey all, I currently use a Sony TCD-D100 as my primary deck. Last month it
started having problems loading tapes, and now its just cycling power
on & off when i plug in the AC. My question is how do i go about getting
this thing repaired? I bought it used just over 2 years ago and i have
since lost the manual etc.. Is there any place in the Rochester, NY area
that i could bring it to? Any place i can ship it out to for servicing?
Any help is appreciated. Thanks a bunch
Patrick
From: David Carmean <dlc@halibut.com>
Subject: Re: How to go about getting a Sony DAT serviced.
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:41:48 -0700
On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 12:25:56PM -0400, Patrick Moughan wrote:
> Hey all, I currently use a Sony TCD-D100 as my primary deck. Last month it
> started having problems loading tapes, and now its just cycling power
> on & off when i plug in the AC. My question is how do i go about getting
> this thing repaired? I bought it used just over 2 years ago and i have
> since lost the manual etc.. Is there any place in the Rochester, NY area
> that i could bring it to? Any place i can ship it out to for servicing?
> Any help is appreciated. Thanks a bunch
Sony (consumer) sent me to Sony Business and Professional, who sent
me to:
Sony Service Company
390 University Ave
Westwood, MA 02090
(781)329-2659
I just sent my M1 there yesterday. It's the only service center for
the M1, and I presume also for the D100. Unless they're playing stupid
marketing games.
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